The refugee crisis is a test of our character | David Miliband

Prevodilac: Mile Živković Lektor: Ivana Korom

I'm going to speak to you about the global refugee crisis

Pričaću vam o svetskoj izbegličkoj krizi

and my aim is to show you that this crisis

i moj cilj je da vam pokažem da je ova kriza

is manageable, not unsolvable,

rešiva, ne nemoguća,

but also show you that this is as much about us and who we are

ali i da vam pokažem da se ovo mnogo više tiče nas i toga ko smo,

as it is a trial of the refugees on the front line.

koliko je to pitanje izbeglica koje su u prvim linijama borbe.

For me, this is not just a professional obligation,

Za mene ovo nije samo profesionalna obaveza,

because I run an NGO supporting refugees and displaced people around the world.

pošto vodim NVO koja podržava izbeglice i raseljene ljude širom sveta.

It's personal.

To je lično.

I love this picture.

Volim ovu sliku.

That really handsome guy on the right,

Taj zgodni momak desno,

that's not me.

to nisam ja.

That's my dad, Ralph, in London, in 1940

To je moj tata, Ralf, u Londonu, godine 1940,

with his father Samuel.

sa svojim ocem Semjuelom.

They were Jewish refugees from Belgium.

Bili su Jevreji izbeglice iz Belgije.

They fled the day the Nazis invaded.

Pobegli su na dan nacističke invazije.

And I love this picture, too.

Volim i ovu sliku.

It's a group of refugee children

To je grupa dece izbeglica

arriving in England in 1946 from Poland.

koja dolaze u Englesku iz Poljske godine 1946.

And in the middle is my mother, Marion.

U sredini je moja majka, Merion.

She was sent to start a new life

Poslali su je u novi život

in a new country

u novoj zemlji

on her own

samu,

at the age of 12.

sa 12 godina.

I know this:

Znam ovo:

if Britain had not admitted refugees

da Britanija nije primala izbeglice

in the 1940s,

1940-ih,

I certainly would not be here today.

ja svakako ne bih bio ovde danas.

Yet 70 years on, the wheel has come full circle.

Ipak, nakon 70 godina, obišli smo pun krug.

The sound is of walls being built,

Priča se o zidovima koji se grade,

vengeful political rhetoric,

politička retorika je osvetoljubiva,

humanitarian values and principles on fire

humanitarne vrednosti i principi nestaju

in the very countries that 70 years ago said never again

u istim zemljama koje su pre 70 godina rekle "nikad više"

to statelessness and hopelessness for the victims of war.

bespomičnosti i beznađu koje snalazi žrtve rata.

Last year, every minute,

Prošle godine, svakog minuta,

24 more people were displaced from their homes

24 ljudi je iseljeno iz svojih domova

by conflict, violence and persecution:

zbog konflikta, nasilja i progona:

another chemical weapon attack in Syria,

još jedan hemijski napad u Siriji,

the Taliban on the rampage in Afghanistan,

Talibani u naletu u Avganistanu,

girls driven from their school in northeast Nigeria by Boko Haram.

devojčice koje u severoistoku Nigerije Boko Haram tera iz škole.

These are not people moving to another country

Ovo nisu ljudi koji se sele u drugu državu

to get a better life.

radi boljeg života.

They're fleeing for their lives.

Oni beže da spasu žive glave.

It's a real tragedy

Prava je tragedija

that the world's most famous refugee can't come to speak to you here today.

što najpoznatiji izbeglica na svetu danas ne može da dođe da priča pred vama.

Many of you will know this picture.

Mnogi među vama znaju ovu sliku.

It shows the lifeless body

Ona prikazuje beživotno telo

of five-year-old Alan Kurdi,

petogodišnjeg Alana Kurdija,

a Syrian refugee who died in the Mediterranean in 2015.

sirijske izbeglice, koji je poginuo na Mediteranu 2015.

He died alongside 3,700 others trying to get to Europe.

Poginuo je sa 3700 drugih u pokušaju da dođu do Evrope.

The next year, 2016,

Naredne godine, 2016,

5,000 people died.

poginulo je 5000 ljudi.

It's too late for them,

Za njih je prekasno,

but it's not too late for millions of others.

ali nije prekasno za milione drugih.

It's not too late for people like Frederick.

Nije prekasno za ljude poput Frederika.

I met him in the Nyarugusu refugee camp in Tanzania.

Upoznao sam ga u kampu za izbeglice Njaragusu u Tanzaniji.

He's from Burundi.

On je iz Burundija.

He wanted to know where could he complete his studies.

Želeo je da zna gde bi mogao da završi svoje školovanje.

He'd done 11 years of schooling. He wanted a 12th year.

Školovao se 11 godina. Želeo je i 12. godinu.

He said to me, "I pray that my days do not end here

Rekao mi je: "Molim se da se moji dani ne završe ovde

in this refugee camp."

u ovom kampu za izbeglice.

And it's not too late for Halud.

Za Halud nije prekasno.

Her parents were Palestinian refugees

Njeni roditelji bili su palestinske izbeglice

koje su živele u kampu za izbeglice Jarmuk, nadomak Damaska.

living in the Yarmouk refugee camp outside Damascus.

She was born to refugee parents,

Roditelji su joj izbeglice,

and now she's a refugee herself in Lebanon.

i sada je i ona sama izbeglica u Libanu.

She's working for the International Rescue Committee to help other refugees,

Radi za Međunarodni komitet za izbeglice kako bi spasila još njih,

but she has no certainty at all

ali uopšte nije sigurna

about her future,

za svoju budućnost,

where it is or what it holds.

gde je ona i šta se u njoj nalazi.

This talk is about Frederick, about Halud

Ovaj govor tiče se Frederika, Halud

and about millions like them:

i miliona onih poput njih:

why they're displaced,

zašto su raseljeni,

how they survive, what help they need and what our responsibilities are.

kako preživljavaju, kakva im pomoć treba i šta je naša odgovornost.

I truly believe this,

Iskreno verujem

that the biggest question in the 21st century

da se najveće pitanje 21. veka

concerns our duty to strangers.

tiče naših dužnosti prema neznancima.

The future "you" is about your duties

Budući "vi" ima veze sa vašim dužnostima

to strangers.

prema neznancima.

You know better than anyone,

Vi znate bolje od ikoga

the world is more connected than ever before,

da je svet povezaniji nego ikada pre

yet the great danger

ali da je velika opasnost

is that we're consumed by our divisions.

da nas proždiru naše podele.

And there is no better test of that

A ne postoji bolji dokaz za to

than how we treat refugees.

od toga kako se ophodimo prema izbeglicama.

Here are the facts: 65 million people

Evo činjenica: 65 miliona ljudi

displaced from their homes by violence and persecution last year.

raseljeno iz svojih domova prošle godine zbog nasilja i krivičnog gonjenja.

If it was a country,

Da je to jedna zemlja,

that would be the 21st largest country in the world.

bila bi 21. po veličini u svetu.

Most of those people, about 40 million, stay within their own home country,

Većina ovih ljudi, oko 40 miliona njih, ostaje unutar sopstvene zemlje,

but 25 million are refugees.

ali 25 miliona su izbeglice.

That means they cross a border into a neighboring state.

To znači da prelaze granicu u susednu državu.

Most of them are living in poor countries,

Većina njih živi u siromašnim državama,

relatively poor or lower-middle-income countries, like Lebanon,

relativno siromašnim ili sa niskim prihodom, poput Libana,

where Halud is living.

gde živi Halud.

In Lebanon, one in four people is a refugee,

U Libanu, svaka četvrta osoba je izbeglica,

a quarter of the whole population.

što je 25% populacije.

And refugees stay for a long time.

Izbeglice ostaju tu dugo.

The average length of displacement

Prosečno vreme raseljenja

is 10 years.

je 10 godina.

I went to what was the world's largest refugee camp, in eastern Kenya.

Otišao sam u tad najveći kamp za izbeglice u istočnoj Keniji.

It's called Dadaab.

Zvao se Dadab.

It was built in 1991-92

Sagrađen je 1991-92.

as a "temporary camp" for Somalis fleeing the civil war.

kao privremeni kamp za Somalijce koji su bežali od građanskog rata.

I met Silo.

Upoznao sam Silo.

And naïvely I said to Silo,

Naivno sam je upitao:

"Do you think you'll ever go home to Somalia?"

"Misliš li da ćeš se ikad vratiti kući u Somaliju?"

And she said, "What do you mean, go home?

A ona je rekla: "Kako misliš kući?

I was born here."

Ja sam rođena ovde."

And then when I asked the camp management

A onda kada sam pitao upravu kampa

how many of the 330,000 people in that camp were born there,

koji deo od 330 000 ljudi u kampu je tamo i rođen,

they gave me the answer:

dali su mi odgovor:

100,000.

100 000.

That's what long-term displacement means.

To je dugotrajno raseljenje.

Now, the causes of this are deep:

Uzroci ovoga su duboki:

weak states that can't support their own people,

slabe države koje ne mogu da podrže sopstveni narod,

an international political system

međunarodni politički sistem

weaker than at any time since 1945

slabiji nego ikad od 1945,

and differences over theology, governance, engagement with the outside world

kao i razlike u veri, vladavini, vezi sa spoljašnjim svetom

in significant parts of the Muslim world.

u značajnim delovima muslimanskog sveta.

Now, those are long-term, generational challenges.

To su dugotrajni, generacijski izazovi.

That's why I say that this refugee crisis is a trend and not a blip.

Zato kažem da je izbeglička kriza trend, a ne kratkotrajna pojava.

And it's complex, and when you have big, large, long-term, complex problems,

Kompleksno je, a kada imate velike, dugotrajne, kompleksne probleme,

people think nothing can be done.

ljudi misle da ne može da se učini ništa.

When Pope Francis went to Lampedusa,

Kada je Papa Franja otišao u Lampeduzu,

off the coast of Italy, in 2014,

na obali Italije, 2014,

he accused all of us and the global population

sve nas i svestku populaciju optužio je

of what he called "the globalization of indifference."

za ono što on naziva "globalizacijom indiferentnosti".

It's a haunting phrase.

To je izraz koji proganja.

It means that our hearts have turned to stone.

Znači da su se naša srca pretvorila u kamen.

Now, I don't know, you tell me.

Ne znam, recite vi meni.

Are you allowed to argue with the Pope, even at a TED conference?

Da li možete da se raspravljate sa papom, čak i na TED konferenciji?

But I think it's not right.

Ali mislim da nije istina.

I think people do want to make a difference,

Mislim da ljudi zaista žele da naprave razliku,

but they just don't know whether there are any solutions to this crisis.

ali prosto ne znaju da li postoje neka rešenja za ovu krizu.

And what I want to tell you today

Danas želim da vam kažem

is that though the problems are real, the solutions are real, too.

da iako su problemi stvarni, i rešenja su stvarna.

Solution one:

Rešenje jedan:

these refugees need to get into work in the countries where they're living,

ove izbeglice moraju naći posao u zemljama gde žive

and the countries where they're living need massive economic support.

a zemljama gde oni žive potrebna je ogromna ekonomska pomoć.

In Uganda in 2014, they did a study:

U Ugandi su 2014. izveli istraživanje:

80 percent of refugees in the capital city Kampala

80% izbeglica u glavnom gradu Kampali

needed no humanitarian aid because they were working.

nije bila potrebna humanitarna pomoć jer su već radili.

They were supported into work.

Data im je podrška u vidu posla.

Solution number two:

Rešenje broj dva:

education for kids is a lifeline, not a luxury,

obrazovanje za decu je neophodnost a ne luksuz,

when you're displaced for so long.

kada ste raseljeni tako dugo.

Kids can bounce back when they're given the proper social, emotional support

Deca mogu da se povrate kada im je data prava socijalna i emotivna podrška

alongside literacy and numeracy.

pored jezičke i matematičke pismenosti.

I've seen it for myself.

Sam sam to video.

But half of the world's refugee children of primary school age

Ali pola dece izbeglica širom sveta u dobu osnovne škole

get no education at all,

nema nikakvo obrazovanje,

and three-quarters of secondary school age get no education at all.

a tri četvrtine dece u dobi srednje škole ne dobija nikakvo obrazovanje.

That's crazy.

To je ludo.

Solution number three:

Rešenje broj tri:

most refugees are in urban areas, in cities, not in camps.

većina izbeglica je u urbanim sredinama, u gradovima, ne u kampovima.

What would you or I want if we were a refugee in a city?

Šta biste vi ili ja želeli da smo izbeglica u gradu?

We would want money to pay rent or buy clothes.

Želeli bismo novac da platimo kiriju ili kupimo odeću.

That is the future of the humanitarian system,

To je budućnost humanitarnog sistema,

or a significant part of it:

ili značajan deo njega:

give people cash so that you boost the power of refugees

dajte ljudima novac tako da pojačate moć izbeglica

and you'll help the local economy.

i pomoći ćete lokalnoj ekonomiji.

And there's a fourth solution, too,

Postoji i četvrto rešenje,

that's controversial but needs to be talked about.

koje je kontroverzno ali se o njemu mora pričati.

The most vulnerable refugees need to be given a new start

Najranjivijim izbeglicama mora se pružiti novi početak

and a new life in a new country,

i novi život u novoj državi,

including in the West.

uključujući i Zapad.

The numbers are relatively small, hundreds of thousands, not millions,

Brojevi su relativno mali, stotine hiljada, ne milioni,

but the symbolism is huge.

ali simbolizam je ogroman.

Now is not the time to be banning refugees,

Sada nije vreme da branimo pristup izbeglicama,

as the Trump administration proposes.

kao što predlaže Trampova administracija.

It's a time to be embracing people who are victims of terror.

Vreme je da prihvatimo ljude koji su žrtve terora.

And remember --

I setite se -

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Remember, anyone who asks you, "Are they properly vetted?"

Setite se, kada vas neko pita: "Da li su dobro provereni?",

that's a really sensible and good question to ask.

to je zapravo prilično logično i dobro pitanje.

The truth is, refugees arriving for resettlement

Istina je da se izbeglice koje dolaze da bi se naselile

are more vetted than any other population arriving in our countries.

provervaju više od bilo koje populacije koja dolazi u naše zemlje.

So while it's reasonable to ask the question,

Iako je razumno postaviti to pitanje,

it's not reasonable to say that refugee is another word for terrorist.

nije razumno reći da je "izbeglica" drugi naziv za teroristu.

Now, what happens --

Dešava se sledeće -

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(Aplauz)

What happens when refugees can't get work,

Kada izbeglice ne mogu da nađu posao,

they can't get their kids into school,

ne mogu da školuju svoju decu,

they can't get cash, they can't get a legal route to hope?

ne mogu da dođu do novca, nemaju legalan put do nade.

What happens is they take risky journeys.

Onda idu na riskantna putovanja.

I went to Lesbos, this beautiful Greek island, two years ago.

Pre dve godine otišao sam na Lezbos, divno grčko ostrvo.

It's a home to 90,000 people.

Tamo živi 90 000 ljudi.

In one year, 500,000 refugees went across the island.

U jednoj godini, 500 000 izbeglica prešlo je preko ostrva.

And I want to show you what I saw

Želim da vam pokažem šta sam video

when I drove across to the north of the island:

kada sam se odvezao do severa ostrva:

a pile of life jackets of those who had made it to shore.

hrpu pojaseva za spasavanje onih koji su dospeli do obale.

And when I looked closer,

Kada sam pogledao bliže,

there were small life jackets for children,

bilo je malih pojaseva za decu,

yellow ones.

žute boje.

And I took this picture.

Ovo sam fotografisao.

You probably can't see the writing, but I want to read it for you.

Verovatno ne vidite natpis, ali pročitaću ga za vas.

"Warning: will not protect against drowning."

"Upozorenje: neće vas zaštititi od davljenja."

So in the 21st century,

U 21. veku,

children are being given life jackets

deci se daju pojasevi za spasavanje

to reach safety in Europe

da bi došli na bezbedno u Evropu

even though those jackets will not save their lives

iako im ti pojasevi neće spasiti život

if they fall out of the boat that is taking them there.

ako ispadnu iz čamca koji ih do tamo vodi.

This is not just a crisis, it's a test.

Ovo nije samo kriza, već i test.

It's a test that civilizations have faced down the ages.

To je test koji su civilizacije imale pred sobom vekovima.

It's a test of our humanity.

To je test naše humanosti.

It's a test of us in the Western world

To je test nas u zapadnom svetu,

of who we are and what we stand for.

toga ko smo i za šta se zalažemo.

It's a test of our character, not just our policies.

To je test našeg karaktera, a ne samo naše politike.

And refugees are a hard case.

A izbeglice su težak slučaj.

They do come from faraway parts of the world.

Dolaze iz dalekih delova sveta.

They have been through trauma.

Prošli su kroz traume.

They're often of a different religion.

Često su druge vere.

Those are precisely the reasons we should be helping refugees,

Upravo to su razlozi zašto da pomažemo izbeglicama,

not a reason not to help them.

ne zašto da im ne pomažemo.

And it's a reason to help them because of what it says about us.

To je razlog da im pomognemo jer to govori nešto o nama.

It's revealing of our values.

Otkriva naše vrednosti.

Empathy and altruism are two of the foundations of civilization.

Empatija i altruizam su dva temelja civilizacije.

Turn that empathy and altruism into action

Pretvorite tu empatiju i altruizam u delanje

and we live out a basic moral credo.

i živećemo svoj osnovni moralni kredo.

And in the modern world, we have no excuse.

U modernom svetu, nemamo izgovora.

We can't say we don't know what's happening in Juba, South Sudan,

Ne možemo reći da ne znamo šta se dešava u Jubi, Južnom Sudanu,

or Aleppo, Syria.

ili u Alepu u Siriji.

It's there, in our smartphone

To je tu, na našim telefonima,

in our hand.

u našim rukama.

Ignorance is no excuse at all.

Neznanje nije izgovor.

Fail to help, and we show we have no moral compass at all.

Ako ne pomognemo, pokazaćemo da uopšte nemamo moralni kompas.

It's also revealing about whether we know our own history.

To takođe otkriva da li poznajemo sopstvenu istoriju.

The reason that refugees have rights around the world

Razlog za to što izbeglice širom sveta imaju prava

is because of extraordinary Western leadership

je zbog izvanrednog vođstva Zapada

by statesmen and women after the Second World War

od strane vođa nakon Drugog svetskog rata

that became universal rights.

koje je preraslo u univerzalna prava.

Trash the protections of refugees, and we trash our own history.

Izbacite zaštitu izbeglica i poništavamo sopstvenu istoriju.

This is --

Ovo -

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This is also revealing about the power of democracy

Ovo takođe otkriva moć demokratije

as a refuge from dictatorship.

kao bekstva od diktature.

How many politicians have you heard say,

Od koliko ste političara čuli:

"We believe in the power of our example, not the example of our power."

"Verujemo u moć svog primera, ne primer moći."

What they mean is what we stand for is more important than the bombs we drop.

Oni zapravo misle da je ono što zastupamo bitnije od bombi koje bacamo.

Refugees seeking sanctuary

Izbeglice koje traže sklonište

have seen the West as a source of hope and a place of haven.

su videle Zapad kao izvor nade i mesto mira.

Russians, Iranians,

Rusi, Iranci,

Chinese, Eritreans, Cubans,

Kinezi, Eritrejci, Kubanci,

they've come to the West for safety.

došli su na Zapad zbog bezbednosti.

We throw that away at our peril.

To odbacujemo na sopstvenu štetu.

And there's one other thing it reveals about us:

Postoji još nešto što to otkriva o nama:

whether we have any humility for our own mistakes.

da li imamo poniznosti za sopstvene greške.

I'm not one of these people

Nisam jedan od onih

who believes that all the problems in the world are caused by the West.

koji veruju da Zapad izaziva sve probleme na svetu.

They're not.

To nije istina.

But when we make mistakes, we should recognize it.

Ali kada grešimo, treba to da prepoznamo.

It's not an accident that the country which has taken

Nije slučajnost da je država

koja je primila više izbeglica od svih, Sjedinjene države,

more refugees than any other, the United States,

has taken more refugees from Vietnam than any other country.

primila više izbeglica iz Vijetnama nego iz bilo koje druge države.

It speaks to the history.

To govori o istoriji.

But there's more recent history, in Iraq and Afghanistan.

Ali ima i skorije istorije, u Iraku i Avganistanu.

You can't make up for foreign policy errors

Ne možete nadoknaditi za greške u spoljašnjoj politici

by humanitarian action,

humanitarnim delima,

but when you break something, you have a duty to try to help repair it,

ali kada nešto polomite, imate dužnost da pokušate da ga popravite,

and that's our duty now.

i to je naša dužnost trenutno.

Do you remember at the beginning of the talk,

Sećate li se da sam na početku govora

I said I wanted to explain that the refugee crisis

rekao da želim da objasnim da je izbeglička kriza

was manageable, not insoluble?

rešiva, ne nepopravljiva?

That's true. I want you to think in a new way,

To je istina, želim da o tome mislite na nov način,

but I also want you to do things.

ali želim i da radite stvari.

If you're an employer,

Ukoliko imate firmu,

hire refugees.

zaposlite izbeglice.

If you're persuaded by the arguments,

Ukoliko su vas ubedili argumenti,

take on the myths

protivite se mitovima

when family or friends or workmates repeat them.

kada prijatelji, porodica ili kolege krenu da ih ponavljaju.

Ako imate novca, dajte ga humanitarnim organizacijama

If you've got money, give it to charities

that make a difference for refugees around the world.

koje pomažu izbeglice širom sveta.

If you're a citizen,

Ako ste građanin,

vote for politicians

glasajte za političare

who will put into practice the solutions that I've talked about.

koji će sprovesti u delo rešenja o kojima smo pričali.

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(Aplauz)

The duty to strangers

Dužnost prema neznancima

shows itself

pokazuje se

in small ways and big,

na male i velike načine,

prosaic and heroic.

prozaične i herojske.

In 1942,

Godine 1942,

my aunt and my grandmother were living in Brussels

moja tetka i baka živele su u Briselu

under German occupation.

pod nemačkom okupacijom.

They received a summons

Pozvali su ih

from the Nazi authorities to go to Brussels Railway Station.

iz nemačkih vlasti da odu u Brisel na železničku stanicu.

My grandmother immediately thought something was amiss.

Baka je odmah pomislila da nešto nije u redu.

She pleaded with her relatives

Molila je rodbinu

not to go to Brussels Railway Station.

da ne idu na železničku stanicu.

Her relatives said to her,

Rođaci su joj rekli:

"If we don't go, if we don't do what we're told,

"Ukoliko ne odemo, ne uradimo šta nam je rečeno,

then we're going to be in trouble."

bićemo u nevolji."

You can guess what happened

Možete pretpostaviti šta se desilo

to the relatives who went to Brussels Railway Station.

sa rođacima koji su otišli na železničku stanicu u Briselu.

They were never seen again.

Nikad ih više nisu videli.

But my grandmother and my aunt,

Ali moja baka i tetka,

they went to a small village

otišle su u malo selo

south of Brussels

južno od Brisela

where they'd been on holiday in the decade before,

gde su bile na odmoru deset godina pre toga

and they presented themselves at the house of the local farmer,

i pojavile su se u kući lokalnog poljoprivrednika,

a Catholic farmer called Monsieur Maurice,

katolika zvanog gospodin Moris,

and they asked him to take them in.

i pitale ga da ih primi.

And he did,

To je i uradio,

and by the end of the war,

i do kraja rata,

17 Jews, I was told, were living in that village.

rečeno mi je da je u tom selu živelo 17 Jevreja.

And when I was teenager, I asked my aunt,

Kada sam bio tinejdžer, pitao sam tetku:

"Can you take me to meet Monsieur Maurice?"

"Hoćeš li me odvesti da upoznam gospodina Morisa?"

And she said, "Yeah, I can. He's still alive. Let's go and see him."

Rekla je: "Da, mogu. Živ je još. Hajde da ga vidimo."

And so, it must have been '83, '84,

Mora da je bila '83. ili '84.

kada smo otišli da ga vidimo.

we went to see him.

And I suppose, like only a teenager could,

Pretpostavljam, kao i svaki tinejdžer,

when I met him,

kada sam ga upoznao,

he was this white-haired gentleman,

bio je to sedi gospodin,

I said to him,

pitao sam ga:

"Why did you do it?

"Zašto si to uradio?

Why did you take that risk?"

Zašto si rizikovao?

And he looked at me and he shrugged,

Pogledao me je i slegao ramenima

and he said, in French,

i rekao, na francuskom:

"On doit."

"On doit."

"One must."

"Morao sam."

It was innate in him.

Bilo mu je urođeno.

It was natural.

Bilo je prirodno.

And my point to you is it should be natural and innate in us, too.

Poenta je da i za nas treba da bude urođeno i prirodno.

Tell yourself,

Recite sebi,

this refugee crisis is manageable,

ova izgbeglička kriza je rešiva,

not unsolvable,

ne nepopravljiva

and each one of us

i svako od nas

has a personal responsibility to help make it so.

ima ličnu odgovornost da se to i desi.

Because this is about the rescue of us and our values

Jer se ovo tiče spašavanja nas i naših vrednosti

as well as the rescue of refugees and their lives.

kao i spašavanja izbeglica i njihovih života.

Thank you very much indeed.

Hvala vam.

(Applause)

(Aplauz)

Bruno Giussani: David, thank you. David Miliband: Thank you.

Bruno Đuzani: Dejvide, hvala ti. Dejvid Milibend: Hvala ti.

BG: Those are strong suggestions

BĐ: To su jaki predlozi

and your call for individual responsibility is very strong as well,

i tvoj poziv za pojedinačnu odgovornost takođe je snažan,

but I'm troubled by one thought, and it's this:

ali muči me jedna misao:

you mentioned, and these are your words, "extraordinary Western leadership"

rekao si, tvojim rečima: "izvanredno vođstvo Zapada",

which led 60-something years ago

koje je pre nekih 60 godina dovelo

to the whole discussion about human rights,

do cele diskusije o ljudskim pravima,

to the conventions on refugees, etc. etc.

konvenciji o izbeglicama, itd.

To vođstvo dogodilo se nakon velike traume i desilo se

That leadership happened after a big trauma

and happened in a consensual political space,

u dobrovoljnom političkom prostoru,

and now we are in a divisive political space.

a sada smo u podeljenom političkom prostoru.

Actually, refugees have become one of the divisive issues.

Zapravo, izbeglice su postale jedan od problema koji razdvaja.

So where will leadership come from today?

Odakle će danas poteći vođstvo?

DM: Well, I think that you're right to say

DM: Mislim da imaš pravo kada kažeš

that the leadership forged in war

da je vođstvo skovano u ratu

has a different temper and a different tempo

bilo drugačijeg stava i tempa

and a different outlook

i sa drugim ishodima

than leadership forged in peace.

od vođstva u miru.

And so my answer would be the leadership has got to come from below,

Moj odgovor bi bio da vođstvo mora da potekne odozdo,

not from above.

ne odozgo.

I mean, a recurring theme of the conference this week

Tema koja se ponavlja na konferenciji ove nedelje

has been about the democratization of power.

je demokratizacija moći.

And we've got to preserve our own democracies,

Moramo da sačuvamo naše sopstvene demokratije,

but we've got to also activate our own democracies.

ali moramo i da ih aktiviramo.

And when people say to me,

Kada mi ljudi kažu:

"There's a backlash against refugees,"

"Postoji odbojnost prema izbeglicama",

what I say to them is,

ja im kažem:

"No, there's a polarization,

"Ne, postoji polarizacija,

and at the moment,

i trenutno,

those who are fearful are making more noise

oni koji se plaše prave više buke

than those who are proud."

od onih koji se ponose."

And so my answer to your question is that we will sponsor and encourage

Moj odgovor na tvoje pitanje je da ćemo sponzorisati i ohrabriti

and give confidence to leadership

i dati poverenje vođstvu

when we mobilize ourselves.

kada se mobilišemo.

And I think that when you are in a position of looking for leadership,

Mislim da kada ste u poziciji gde tražite vođstvo,

you have to look inside

treba da pogledate ka unutra

and mobilize in your own community

i mobilišete unutar svoje zajednice

to try to create conditions for a different kind of settlement.

da pokušate da stvorite uslove za drugačiju vrstu naseljavanja.

BG: Thank you, David. Thanks for coming to TED.

BĐ: Hvala ti Dejvide. Hvala što si došao na TED.

(Applause)

(Aplauz)