Jonathan Drori: Why we don't understand as much as we think

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I'm going to try and explain why it is that perhaps

Pokušaću da vam objasnim zašto mi u stvari

we don't understand as much as we think we do.

možda baš i ne razumemo onoliko koliko mislimo da znamo.

I'd like to begin with four questions.

Počeo bih sa četiri pitanja.

This is not some sort of cultural thing for the time of year.

Nije u pitanju neka kulturološka stvar za ovaj period godine.

That's an in-joke, by the way.

To je interna šala, uzgred budi rečeno.

But these four questions, actually,

Čak i ljudi koji znaju dosta o nauci

are ones that people who even know quite a lot about science find quite hard.

ne mogu lako da odgovore na ova četiri pitanja.

And they're questions that I've asked of science television producers,

Ta pitanja sam postavio urednicima naučnih programa na televiziji,

of audiences of science educators --

potom nastavnicima nauke,

so that's science teachers -- and also of seven-year-olds,

učiteljima nauke- a takođe i sedmogodišnjacima,

and I find that the seven-year-olds do marginally better

i zaključio sam da sedmogišnjaci daju malo bolje odgovore

than the other audiences, which is somewhat surprising.

u odnosu na drugu publiku, što je iznenađujuće.

So the first question, and you might want to write this down,

Prvo pitanje koje možda želite da zapišete

either on a bit of paper, physically, or a virtual piece of paper

ili fizički, na parčetu papira, ili na zamišljenom parčetu papira

in your head. And, for viewers at home, you can try this as well.

u vašoj glavi. Oni koji prenos gledaju kod kuće, i vi to pokušajte.

A little seed weighs next to nothing and a tree weighs a lot, right?

Malo seme teži skoro pa ništa, a drvo je veoma teško, zar ne?

I think we agree on that. Where does the tree get the stuff that makes up this chair,

Mislim da se slažemo oko toga. Gde drvo dođe do materijala od kojeg je napravljena ova stolica?

right? Where does all this stuff come from?

Odakle sve ovo dolazi?

(Knocks)

(kuca)

And your next question is, can you light a little torch-bulb

Sledeće pitanje za vas: da li možete da upalite malu sobnu sijalicu

with a battery, a bulb and one piece of wire?

uz pomoć baterije, sijalice i parčeta žice?

And would you be able to, kind of, draw a -- you don't have to draw

I da li biste mogli da nacrtate tu šemu, ne stvarno,

the diagram, but would you be able to draw the diagram,

nego, da li biste znali da nacrtate dijagram

if you had to do it? Or would you just say,

ukoliko biste morali? Ili biste samo rekli,

that's actually not possible?

da je to ustvari nemoguće?

The third question is, why is it hotter in summer than in winter?

Treće pitanje, zašto je toplije leti nego zimi?

I think we can probably agree that it is hotter in summer than in winter,

Mislim da se slažemo da su leta toplija od zima,

but why? And finally, would you be able to --

ali zašto? Na kraju, da li biste bili u stanju

and you can sort of scribble it, if you like --

i mogli biste da nažvrljate to, ukoliko želite--

scribble a plan diagram of the solar system,

da nažvrljate dijagram solarnog sistema,

showing the shape of the planets' orbits?

i da pokažete oblik orbita planeta?

Would you be able to do that?

Da li biste mogli to da uradite?

And if you can, just scribble a pattern.

Ukoliko možete, samo nažvrljajte tu šemu.

OK. Now, children get their ideas not from teachers,

Okej. Deca dolaze do svojih ideja ne od nastavnika,

as teachers often think, but actually from common sense,

kao što nastavnici vole da misle, već se koriste zdravim razumom,

from experience of the world around them,

uče iz doživljavanja sveta oko sebe

from all the things that go on between them and their peers,

i svega što se dešava između njih i njihovih drugara,

and their carers, and their parents, and all of that. Experience.

njihovih pazitelja, roditelja, i svih ostalih. Iz iskustva.

And one of the great experts in this field, of course, was, bless him,

I, naravno, jedan od najvećih stručnjaka u ovoj oblasti bio je, blagosloven bio,

Cardinal Wolsey. Be very careful what you get into people's heads

Kardinal Volsij. Budite veoma oprezni oko toga šta plasirate u glave ljudi,

because it's virtually impossible to shift it afterwards, right?

jer je bukvalno nemoguće promeniti te misli posle, u redu?

(Laughter)

(smeh)

I'm not quite sure how he died, actually.

U stvari, nisam baš siguran kako je umro.

Was he beheaded in the end, or hung?

Da li mu je odrubljena glava na kraju, ili je obešen?

(Laughter)

(smeh)

Now, those questions, which, of course, you've got right,

Vratimo se ovim pitanjima na koje ste naravno tačno odgovorili,

and you haven't been conferring, and so on.

i niste se konsultovali, i tako dalje.

And I -- you know, normally, I would pick people out and humiliate,

Znate, ja bih inače prozivao ljude i ponižavao ih,

but maybe not in this instance.

ali to možda nije prikladno sada.

A little seed weighs a lot and, basically, all this stuff,

Malo seme je zaista teško u suštini i sve ovo,

99 percent of this stuff, came out of the air.

99% ove materije dolazi iz vazduha.

Now, I guarantee that about 85 percent of you, or maybe it's fewer at TED,

Ja mogu da garantujem da je 85% prisutnih, ili možda manje ovde na TED-u,

will have said it comes out of the ground. And some people,

pomislilo da ta materija dolazi iz zemlje. Neki ljudi

probably two of you, will come up and argue with me afterwards,

verovatno dvoje iz publike bi posle došlo ovde i rapravljalo se sa mnom,

and say that actually, it comes out of the ground.

i tvrdili bi da u stvari ta materija dolazi iz zemlje.

Now, if that was true, we'd have trucks going round the country,

Kada bi to bilo tačno tada bi kamioni širom države

filling people's gardens in with soil, it'd be a fantastic business.

dopunjavali zemljištem bašte ljudi, to bi bio odličan posao.

But, actually, we don't do that.

Ali, to se zapravo ne dešava.

The mass of this comes out of the air.

Materija dolazi iz vazduha.

Now, I passed all my biology exams in Britain.

Ja sam položio sve svoje ispite iz biologije u Britaniji.

I passed them really well, but I still came out of school

Dobio sam dobre ocene na tim testovima, ali i dalje sam po završenoj školi

thinking that that stuff came out of the ground.

mislio da ova materija dolazi iz zemljišta.

Second one: can you light a little torch-bulb with a battery bulb and one piece of wire?

Drugo pitanje: da li možete da upalite malu svetiljku uz pomoć baterije, sijalice i parčeta žice?

Yes, you can, and I'll show you in a second how to do that.

Da, možete, i za koji sekund ću vam pokazati i kako.

Now, I have some rather bad news,

Imam poprilično loše vesti za vas.

which is that I had a piece of video that I was about to show you,

Doneo sam jedan snimak koji sam želeo da vam pokažem,

which unfortunately -- the sound doesn't work in this room,

ali zvuk nažalost ne radi u ovoj sobi

so I'm going to describe to you, in true "Monty Python" fashion,

tako da ću vam opisati na montipajtonovski način

what happens in the video. And in the video, a group of researchers

šta se na tom snimku dešava. Grupa istraživača na snimku

go to MIT on graduation day.

odlazi na MIT na dan završne ceremonije.

We chose MIT because, obviously, that's a very long way away

Izabrali smo MIT jer je očigledno veoma udaljen odavde

from here, and you wouldn't mind too much,

i ne bi vam to previše smetalo

but it sort of works the same way in Britain

ali to funkcioniše na sličan način i u Britaniji

and in the West Coast of the USA.

i na zapadnoj obali Amerike.

And we asked them these questions, and we asked those questions

Postavili smo im ova pitanja,

of science graduates, and they couldn't answer them.

diplomcima iz nauke, i nisu znali da na njih odgovore.

And so, there's a whole lot of people saying,

Bilo je puno ljudi koji su govorili:

"I'd be very surprised if you told me that this came out of the air.

"Zaista bih se iznenadio kada bi mi rekao da je ovo nastalo od vazduha.

That's very surprising to me." And those are science graduates.

To me veoma iznenađuje." To su ljudi koji studiraju nauku.

And we intercut it with, "We are the premier science university in the world,"

Onda ih mi presečemo: "Mi smo najbolji univerzitet nauke na svetu",

because of British-like hubris.

jer je to tipično za britansku nabeđenost.

(Laughter)

(smeh)

And when we gave graduate engineers that question,

Kada smo inženjerima diplomcima postavili to pitanja

they said it couldn't be done.

rekli su da se to ne može izvesti.

And when we gave them a battery, and a piece of wire, and a bulb,

Kada smo im dali bateriju, i parče žice i sijalicu,

and said, "Can you do it?" They couldn't do it. Right?

i rekli: "Da li možete to da uradite?" Nisu mogli. U redu?

And that's no different from Imperial College in London, by the way,

Slično je i na "Imperial College"-u u Londonu, uzgred budi rečeno,

it's not some sort of anti-American thing going on.

nije ovo neka kampanja protiv Amerike.

As if. Now, the reason this matters is we pay lots and lots of money

Nije nego. Ovo je važno zato što jako mnogo novca ulažemo

for teaching people -- we might as well get it right.

u obrazovanje - onda bismo i mogli to da uradimo kako treba.

And there are also some societal reasons

Postoje i društveni razlozi usled kojih bi trebalo

why we might want people to understand what it is that's happening

da želimo da ljudi zaista shvate šta se dešava u procesu fotosinteze.

in photosynthesis. For example, one half of the carbon equation

Na primer, prvi deo jednačine kruženja ugljenika

is how much we emit, and the other half of the carbon equation,

jeste koliko gasa izbacimo u atmosferu, a njen drugi deo,

as I'm very conscious as a trustee of Kew,

jer sam veoma savestan kao član Kju odbora (kraljevske botaničke bašte)

is how much things soak up, and they soak up carbon dioxide out of the atmosphere.

je koliko se ugljen dioksida apsorbuje, preuzme iz atmosfere.

That's what plants actually do for a living.

To je ono čime se biljke u principu bave.

And, for any Finnish people in the audience, this is a Finnish pun:

Za Fince u publici, ovo je finska krilatica:

we are, both literally and metaphorically, skating on thin ice

i bukvalno i metaforično mi klizamo po tankom ledu

if we don't understand that kind of thing.

ukoliko ne razumemo ove stvari.

Now, here's how you do the battery and the bulb.

Ovako ćete rešiti problem baterije i sijalice.

It's so easy, isn't it? Of course, you all knew that.

Tako je lako, zar ne? Naravno, svi ste to znali.

But if you haven't played with a battery and a bulb,

Ali ukoliko se niste igrali sa baterijom i sijalicom,

if you've only seen a circuit diagram,

ukoliko ste samo videli strujne šablone,

you might not be able to do that, and that's one of the problems.

onda možda niste u stanju to da uradite, i to je jedan od problema.

So, why is it hotter in summer than in winter?

Zašto je toplije leti nego zimi?

We learn, as children, that you get closer to something that's hot,

Mi još kao deca naučimo da se ispečemo ako se

and it burns you. It's a very powerful bit of learning,

približimo nečemu što je vruće. To je veoma moćan način učenja,

and it happens pretty early on.

i dešava prilično rano u životu.

By extension, we think to ourselves, "Why it's hotter in summer than in winter

Po toj logici mi rezonujemo ovako: "Sigurno je toplije leti nego zimi

must be because we're closer to the Sun."

jer smo bliži Suncu."

I promise you that most of you will have got that.

Siguran sam da je većina to pomislila.

Oh, you're all shaking your heads,

Oho, odrično mašete glavom,

but only a few of you are shaking your heads very firmly.

ali samo vas nekoliko zaista odlučno maše glavom.

Other ones are kind of going like this. All right.

Ostali to rade nekako ovako. U redu.

It's hotter in summer than in winter because the rays from the Sun

Toplije je leti nego zimi jer su sunčevi zraci

are spread out more, right, because of the tilt of the Earth.

više rasprostranjeni, zar ne, usled nagiba Zemlje.

And if you think the tilt is tilting us closer, no, it isn't.

Ukoliko mislite da nas nagib približiva, ne, ne čini to.

The Sun is 93 million miles away, and we're tilting like this, right?

Sunce je udaljeno 150 miliona km, a naš nagib se pomera ovako, zar ne?

It makes no odds. In fact, in the Northern Hemisphere,

To nema smisla. Ustvari smo mi na severnoj hemisferi

we're further from the Sun in summer,

udaljeniji od Sunca tokom leta,

as it happens, but it makes no odds, the difference.

igrom slučaja, ali to ne pravi razliku.

OK, now, the scribble of the diagram of the solar system.

Okej, a sada, vaš nažvrljani dijagram solarnog sistema.

If you believe, as most of you probably do,

Ukoliko mislite, a većina vas sigurno to misli,

that it's hotter in summer than in winter because we're closer to the Sun,

da je toplije leti nego zimi zato što smo bliži Suncu,

you must have drawn an ellipse.

sigurno ste nacrtali elipsu.

Right? That would explain it, right?

Zar ne? To bi objasnilo sve, zar ne?

Except, in your -- you're nodding -- now, in your ellipse,

Sem ako, u vašoj - a vi potvrdno klimate glavom, u vašoj elipsi

have you thought, "Well, what happens during the night?"

da li ste pomislili: "Pa, šta se dešava u toku noći?"

Between Australia and here, right, they've got summer

Razmislite o Australiji i ovom mestu, tamo je leto,

and we've got winter, and what --

a ovde je zima, i šta onda -

does the Earth kind of rush towards the Sun at night,

da li Zemlja malo požuri ka Suncu u toku noći,

and then rush back again? I mean, it's a very strange thing going on,

a onda se brzo vrati ponovo? Mislim da se tu dešava veoma čudna stvar

and we hold these two models in our head, of what's right and what isn't right,

a mi imamo ta dva modela u našoj glavi, šta je ispravno i šta nije,

and we do that, as human beings, in all sorts of fields.

mi to radimo, svi ljudi, u svim mogućim poljima.

So, here's Copernicus' view of what the solar system looked like as a plan.

Ovo je Kopernikov doživljaj solarnog sistema u vidu plana.

That's pretty much what you should have on your piece of paper. Right?

Ovo je nacrt koji bi trebalo da imate nacrtan na svom parčetu papira. Zar ne?

And this is NASA's view. They're stunningly similar.

Ovo je pogled NASA-e. Neverovatno su slični.

I hope you notice the coincidence here.

Nadam se da uočavate podudarnost.

What would you do if you knew that people had this misconception,

Šta biste vi uradili kada biste znali da je pogrešna predstava ljudi,

right, in their heads, of elliptical orbits

znate, u njihovim glavama, o eliptičnim putanjama

caused by our experiences as children?

uslovljena njihovim iskustvima iz detinjstva?

What sort of diagram would you show them of the solar system,

Kakvu vrstu dijagrama solarnog sistema biste im

to show that it's not really like that?

vi pokazali kako biste im objasnili da nije zaista tako?

You'd show them something like this, wouldn't you?

Pokazali biste im nešto što izgleda ovako, zar ne?

It's a plan, looking down from above.

To je šablon, posmatran iz ptičje perspektive.

But, no, look what I found in the textbooks.

Pogledajte sada šta sam pronašao u udžbenicima.

That's what you show people, right? These are from textbooks,

To je ono što pokazujete ljudima, zar ne? Ove slike su preuzete iz knjiga,

from websites, educational websites --

sa internet prezentacija, obrazovnih veb-sajtova -

and almost anything you pick up is like that.

skoro sve što nađete izgleda ovako.

And the reason it's like that is because it's dead boring

Razlog što je to tako je taj što je jako dosadno

to have a load of concentric circles,

prikazati gomilu koncentričnih krugova,

whereas that's much more exciting, to look at something at that angle,

dok je mnogo zanimljivije da se nešto posmatra iz tog ugla,

isn't it? Right? And by doing it at that angle,

zar ne? U redu? Predstavljajući to iz tog ugla,

if you've got that misconception in your head, then that

ukoliko ste usvojili taj pogrešan princip u svojoj glavi,

two-dimensional representation of a three-dimensional thing will be ellipses.

tada će dvodimenzionalni prikaz trodimenzionalnih stvari izgledati kao elipse.

So you've -- it's crap, isn't it really? As we say.

Tako da vi-- to je glupost, zar ne? Kao što kažemo.

So, these mental models -- we look for evidence that reinforces our models.

Ove mentalne slike-- mi tražimo dokaze koji podržavaju naše predstave.

We do this, of course, with matters of race, and politics, and everything else,

Istu stvar činimo sa rasama, politikom, i svim ostalim,

and we do it in science as well. So we look, just look --

to činimo u nauci takođe. Tako da mi tražimo, samo tražimo--

and scientists do it, constantly -- we look for evidence

i naučnici to stalno rade - tražimo dokaze

that reinforces our models, and some folks are just all too able

koji podržavaju naše modele, i neki ljudi su zaista veoma sposobni

and willing to provide the evidence that reinforces the models.

i raspoloženi da pruže dokaze koji potvrđuju naše modele.

So, being I'm in the United States, I'll have a dig at the Europeans.

Obzirom da sam u Sjedinjenim Državama, sada ću provocirati Evropljane.

These are examples of what I would say is bad practice in science

Ovo ja smatram lošim primerom u centrima za popularizaciju nauke.

teaching centers. These pictures are from La Villette in France

Ovo su slike iz "La Villette"-a u Francuskoj

and the welcome wing of the Science Museum in London.

i iz prijemnog krila Muzeja nauke u Londonu.

And, if you look at the, kind of the way these things are constructed,

Ukoliko analizirate način na koje su ove zgrade napravljene,

there's a lot of mediation by glass, and it's very blue, and kind of professional --

tu ima puno staklenih pregrada, sve je plavo, i deluje profesionalno

in that way that, you know, Woody Allen comes up

znate, kako kada se Vudi Alen

from under the sheets in that scene in "Annie Hall,"

iznenada pojavio u sceni filma "Annie Hall"

and said, "God, that's so professional." And that you don't --

i rekao: "Bože, to je tako profesionalno." I vi nemate-

there's no passion in it, and it's not hands on, right,

tu nema strasti, nema praktičnog treninga, zar ne,

and, you know, pun intended. Whereas good interpretation --

i šalu sam namerno dodao, znate. S druge strane, dobra postavka,

I'll use an example from nearby -- is San Francisco Exploratorium,

navešću primer iz naše okoline-- Istraživački centar San Franciska,

where all the things that -- the demonstrations, and so on,

gde su baš sve stvari-- demonstracije, i tako dalje,

are made out of everyday objects that children can understand,

napravljene od svakodnevnih objekata koje deca mogu da shvate,

it's very hands-on, and they can engage with, and experiment with.

veoma je praktično, i mogu se zanimati i eksperimentisati sa tim.

And I know that if the graduates at MIT

Da su apsolventi sa MIT-a

and in the Imperial College in London had had the battery and the wire

i sa "Imperial College"-a u Londonu imali priliku da se igraju

and the bit of stuff, and you know, been able to do it,

sa beterijom i žicom i drugim stvarima, i znate, da to isprobaju,

they would have learned how it actually works,

naučili bi zaista kako to funkcioniše,

rather than thinking that they follow circuit diagrams and can't do it.

i ne bi mislili da treba da prate strujne mreže i da ne mogu to da urade.

So good interpretation is more about

Dobro predstavljanje bi imalo više

things that are bodged and stuffed and of my world, right?

izmešanih i natrpanih stvari iz svakodnevnog života, zar ne?

And things that -- where there isn't an extra barrier

To su stvari gde nema dodatnih prepreka

of a piece of glass or machined titanium,

kao što su parče stakla ili obrađenog titanijuma,

and it all looks fantastic, OK?

i gde sve izgleda fantastično, okej?

And the Exploratorium does that really, really well.

Istraživački centar čini to veoma, veoma dobro.

And it's amateur, but amateur in the best sense,

Amaterski je, ali amaterski u najboljem smislu reči,

in other words, the root of the word being of love and passion.

drugim rečima, u korenu te reči su ljubav i strast.

So, children are not empty vessels, OK?

Deca nisu prazne table, OK?

So, as "Monty Python" would have it,

Pa, u montipajtonovskom stilu,

this is a bit Lord Privy Seal to say so,

ovo je malo isprazno rečeno,

but this is -- children are not empty vessels.

ali to je to - deca nisu prazne table.

They come with their own ideas and their own theories,

Oni imaju svoje ideje i svoje teorije,

and unless you work with those, then you won't be able to shift them,

i ako se njima ne bavite, nećete biti u stanju da ih promenite,

right? And I probably haven't shifted your ideas

zar ne? Verovatno ni ja nisam promenio vaše ideje

of how the world and universe operates, either.

o tome kako svet i univerzum funkionišu.

But this applies, equally, to matters of trying to sell new technology.

Ovo se jednako može primeniti i na fenomen pokušaja plasiranja novih tehnologija.

For example, we are, in Britain, we're trying to do a digital switchover

Na primer, mi u Britaniji pokušavamo da prebacimo

of the whole population into digital technology [for television].

celu populaciju na digitalne tehnolgoije (u televiziji).

And it's one of the difficult things

Jedna od teških stvari u tome je ta

is that when people have preconceptions of how it all works,

da kada ljudi imaju poimanje o tome

it's quite difficult to shift those.

kako sve funkcioniše, to je veoma teško promeniti.

So we're not empty vessels; the mental models that we have

Mi nismo prazne table, idejni modeli koje imamo

as children persist into adulthood.

kao deca su sa nama i kada odrastemo.

Poor teaching actually does more harm than good.

Loša nastava čini mnogo više štete nego koristi.

In this country and in Britain, magnetism is understood better

I u ovoj zemlji i u Britaniji deca bolje razumeju magnetizam

by children before they've been to school than afterwards, OK?

pre školovanja nego posle završene škole, okej?

Same for gravity, two concepts, so it's -- which is quite humbling,

Ista stvar važi za gravitaciju, to su dva koncepta - i to je jako loše.

as a, you know, if you're a teacher, and you look before and after,

I znate, ukoliko ste nastavnik i pogledate rezultate pre i posle

that's quite worrying. They do worse in tests afterwards, after the teaching.

to je zabrinjavajuće. Rezultati testova su lošiji nakon nastave.

And we collude. We design tests,

Mi vršimo zavere. Sastavljamo takve testove,

or at least in Britain, so that people pass them. Right?

barem u Britaniji, kako bi ih ljudi položili. U redu?

And governments do very well. They pat themselves on the back.

Vlade rade veoma dobro. Zadovoljno se potapšu po ramenu.

OK? We collude, and actually if you --

Okej? Mi smo u zaveri, i u principu da ste -

if someone had designed a test for me

da je neko osmislio test za mene

when I was doing my biology exams,

kada sam izlazio na ispite iz biologije

to really understand, to see whether I'd understood

kako bi zaista razumeo, video da li sam zaista shvatio

more than just kind of putting starch and iodine together

više od toga da ako pomešaš skrob i jod

and seeing it go blue,

dobiješ nešto plave boje,

and really understood that plants took their mass out of the air,

i da sam zaista razumeo da biljke dolaze do materije iz vazduha,

then I might have done better at science.

možda bih bio bolji naučnik.

So the most important thing is to get people to articulate their models.

Najvažnija stvar jeste omogućiti ljudima da jasno predstave svoje modele.

Your homework is -- you know, how does an aircraft's wing create lift?

Vaš domaći zadatak - znate li kako se krilo aviona pomera naviše?

An obvious question, and you'll have an answer now in your heads.

To je očigledno pitanje, i svi vi imate odgovor u glavi.

And the second question to that then is,

Drugi deo ovog pitanje je sledeći,

ensure you've explained how it is that planes can fly upside down.

morate objasniti i kako avion može da leti u izvrnutom položaju?

Ah ha, right. Second question is, why is the sea blue? All right?

Aha, tačno. Drugo pitanje je zašto je more plavo? U redu?

And you've all got an idea in your head of the answer.

Svi već imate ideju u glavi o samom odgovoru.

So, why is it blue on cloudy days? Ah, see.

Pa, zašto je onda plavo kada je oblačno? Aha, vidite.

(Laughter)

(smeh)

I've always wanted to say that in this country.

Oduvek sam želeo da to kažem u ovoj državi.

(Laughter)

(smeh)

Finally, my plea to you is to allow yourselves, and your children,

Na kraju, moja molba svima vama jeste da dozvolite sebi, svojoj deci

and anyone you know, to kind of fiddle with stuff,

i svima koje znate da isprobavate stvari,

because it's by fiddling with things that you, you know,

jer putem ispitivanja stvari vi prosto

you complement your other learning. It's not a replacement,

dopunjujete svoja znanja. To nije zamena,

it's just part of learning that's important.

to je samo važan deo učenja.

Thank you very much.

Hvala vam puno.

Now -- oh, oh yeah, go on then, go on.

I sada-- oh, o-da, hajde,hajde.

(Applause)

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