We don't "move on" from grief. We move forward with it | Nora McInerny | TED

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ืื ื ืœื—ืฅ ืคืขืžื™ื™ื ืขืœ ื”ื›ืชื•ื‘ื™ื•ืช ื‘ืื ื’ืœื™ืช ืœืžื˜ื” ื›ื“ื™ ืœื”ืคืขื™ืœ ืืช ื”ืกืจื˜ื•ืŸ.

ืชืจื’ื•ื: Yael Ring ืขืจื™ื›ื”: Allon Sasson
00:12
So, 2014 was a big year for me.
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ืื–, 2014 ื”ื™ืชื” ืฉื ื” ืขืžื•ืกื” ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœื™.
00:15
Do you ever have that,
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ื–ื” ืงื•ืจื” ืœื›ื ืœืคืขืžื™ื,
00:16
just like a big year, like a banner year?
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ืคืฉื•ื˜, ืฉื ื” ืขืžื•ืกื”, ืžืœืื” ื‘ื“ื‘ืจื™ื?
00:19
For me, it went like this:
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ืขื‘ื•ืจื™ ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื›ื›ื”:
00:20
October 3, I lost my second pregnancy.
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ื‘ืฉืœื™ืฉื™ ื‘ืื•ืงื˜ื•ื‘ืจ, ืขื‘ืจืชื™ ื”ืคืœื” ืฉืœ ื”ื”ืจื™ื•ืŸ ื”ืฉื ื™ ืฉืœื™.
00:23
And then October 8, my dad died of cancer.
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ื•ืื– ื‘ืฉืžื™ื ื™ ื‘ืื•ืงื˜ื•ื‘ืจ, ืื‘ื ืฉืœื™ ื ืคื˜ืจ ืžืกืจื˜ืŸ.
00:27
And then on November 25, my husband Aaron died
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ื•ืื—ืจ ื›ืš ื‘ืขืฉืจื™ื ื•ื—ืžื™ืฉื” ื‘ื ื•ื‘ืžื‘ืจ, ื‘ืขืœื™ ืื”ืจื•ืŸ ื ืคื˜ืจ
00:29
after three years with stage-four glioblastoma,
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ืื—ืจื™ ืฉืœื•ืฉ ืฉื ื™ื ืขื ื’ืœื™ื•ื‘ืœืกื˜ื•ืžื” ืฉืœื‘-ืืจื‘ืข,
00:32
which is just a fancy word for brain cancer.
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ืฉื–ื• ืคืฉื•ื˜ ืžื™ืœื” ืžืคื•ืืจืช ืœืกืจื˜ืŸ ื”ืžื•ื—.
00:36
So, I'm fun.
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ืื–, ื›ื™ืฃ ืœื™.
00:38
(Laughter)
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(ืฆื—ื•ืง)
00:40
People love to invite me out all the time.
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ืื ืฉื™ื ืื•ื”ื‘ื™ื ืœื”ื–ืžื™ืŸ ืื•ืชื™ ืืœื™ื”ื ื›ืœ ื”ื–ืžืŸ.
00:43
Packed social life.
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ื—ื™ื™ ื—ื‘ืจื” ืขืžื•ืกื™ื.
00:45
Usually, when I talk about this period of my life,
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ื‘ื“ืจืš ื›ืœืœ, ื›ืฉืื ื™ ืžื“ื‘ืจืช ืขืœ ื”ืชืงื•ืคื” ื”ื–ื• ื‘ื—ื™ื™,
00:48
the reaction I get is essentially:
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ื”ืชื’ื•ื‘ื” ืฉืื ื™ ืžืงื‘ืœืช ื”ื™ื ืœืžืขืฉื”:
00:51
(Sighs)
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(ื ืื ื—ืช)
00:53
"I can't -- I can't imagine."
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" ืื ื™ ืœื -- ืื ื™ ืœื ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœื“ืžื™ื™ืŸ."
00:57
But I do think you can.
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ืื‘ืœ ืื ื™ ื‘ืืžืช ื—ื•ืฉื‘ืช ืฉืืชื ื™ื›ื•ืœื™ื.
00:59
I think you can.
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ืื ื™ ื—ื•ืฉื‘ืช ืฉืืชื ื™ื›ื•ืœื™ื.
01:00
And I think that you should
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ื•ืื ื™ ื—ื•ืฉื‘ืช ืฉืืชื ืฆืจื™ื›ื™ื
01:02
because, someday, it's going to happen to you.
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ื›ื™, ื™ื•ื ืื—ื“, ื–ื” ืขื•ืžื“ ืœืงืจื•ืช ื’ื ืœื›ื.
01:04
Maybe not these specific losses in this specific order or at this speed,
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ืื•ืœื™ ืœื ื”ืื‘ื“ื•ืช ื”ืกืคืฆื™ืคื™ื•ืช ื”ืืœื” ื‘ืกื“ืจ ื”ื–ื” ืื• ื‘ืžื”ื™ืจื•ืช ื”ื–ื•,
01:09
but like I said, I'm very fun
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ืื‘ืœ ื›ืžื• ืฉืืžืจืชื™, ื›ื™ืฃ ืื™ืชื™
01:10
and the research that I have seen will stun you:
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ื•ื”ืžื—ืงืจ ืฉืจืื™ืชื™ ื™ื”ืžื ืืชื›ื:
01:14
everyone you love has a 100 percent chance of dying.
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ืœื›ืœ ืžื™ ืฉืืชื ืื•ื”ื‘ื™ื ื™ืฉ ืกื™ื›ื•ื™ ืฉืœ ืžืื” ืื—ื•ื– ืœืžื•ืช.
01:18
(Laughter)
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(ืฆื—ื•ืง)
01:20
And that's why you came to TED.
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ื•ื‘ื’ืœืœ ื–ื” ื”ื’ืขืชื ืœ-TED
01:22
(Laughter)
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(ืฆื—ื•ืง)
01:24
(Applause)
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(ืžื—ื™ืื•ืช ื›ืคื™ื™ื)
01:28
So, since all of this loss happened,
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ืื–, ืžืื—ืจ ืฉื›ืœ ื”ืื•ื‘ื“ืŸ ื”ื–ื” ืžืชืจื—ืฉ,
01:30
I've made it a career to talk about death and loss,
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ื”ืคื›ืชื™ ืืช ื”ื“ื™ื‘ื•ืจ ืขืœ ืžื•ื•ืช ื•ืื•ื‘ื“ืŸ ืœืงืจื™ื™ืจื” ืฉืœื™,
01:34
not just my own, because it's pretty easy to recap,
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ืœื ืจืง ืฉืœื™, ื›ื™ ืืช ื–ื” ืงืœ ืœืกื›ื,
01:36
but the losses and tragedies that other people have experienced.
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ืืœื ื’ื ืื‘ื“ื•ืช ื•ื˜ืจื’ื“ื™ื•ืช ืฉืื ืฉื™ื ืื—ืจื™ื ื—ื•ื•.
01:40
It's a niche, I have to say.
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ื•ื–ืืช ื ื™ืฉื”, ืื ื™ ื—ื™ื™ื‘ืช ืœืฆื™ื™ืŸ.
01:43
(Laughter)
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(ืฆื—ื•ืง)
01:45
It's a small niche, and I wish I made more money, but ...
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ื–ืืช ื ื™ืฉื” ืงื˜ื ื”, ื•ื”ืœื•ื•ืื™ ื•ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืžืจื•ื•ื™ื—ื” ื™ื•ืชืจ ื›ืกืฃ, ืื‘ืœ...
01:48
(Laughter)
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01:49
I've written some very uplifting books,
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ื›ืชื‘ืชื™ ื›ืžื” ืกืคืจื™ื ืžืื•ื“ ืžืขื•ื“ื“ื™ื,
01:52
host a very uplifting podcast, I started a little nonprofit.
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ืื ื™ ืžืืจื—ืช ืคื•ื“ืงืืกื˜ ืžืขื•ื“ื“, ื”ืงืžืชื™ ืขืžื•ืชื” ืงื˜ื ื”,
01:56
I'm just trying to do what I can
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ืื ื™ ืคืฉื•ื˜ ืžื ืกื” ืœืขืฉื•ืช ืžื” ืฉืื ื™ ื™ื›ื•ืœื”
01:57
to make more people comfortable with the uncomfortable,
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ื›ื“ื™ ืœื’ืจื•ื ืœื›ืš ืฉืœื™ื•ืชืจ ืื ืฉื™ื ื™ื”ื™ื” ื ื•ื— ืขื ื”ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ื”ืœื ื ื•ื—ื™ื,
02:01
and grief is so uncomfortable.
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ื•ืื‘ืœ ื”ื•ื ื›ืœ ื›ืš ืœื ื ื•ื—.
02:04
It's so uncomfortable, especially if it's someone else's grief.
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ื–ื” ื›ืœ ื›ืš ืœื ื ื•ื—, ื‘ืžื™ื•ื—ื“ ืื ื–ื” ืื‘ืœ ืฉืœ ืื“ื ืื—ืจ.
02:09
So part of that work is this group that I started with my friend Moe,
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ืื– ื—ืœืง ืžื”ืขื‘ื•ื“ื” ื”ื™ื ืขื ืงื‘ื•ืฆื” ืฉืคืชื—ืชื™ ืขื ื—ื‘ืจื” ืฉืœื™ ืžื•,
02:13
who is also a widow;
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ืฉื’ื ื”ื™ื ืืœืžื ื”.
02:14
we call it the Hot Young Widows Club.
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ืื ื—ื ื• ืงื•ืจืื•ืช ืœื” "ืžื•ืขื“ื•ืŸ ื”ืืœืžื ื•ืช ื”ืฆืขื™ืจื•ืช ื•ื”ื™ืคื•ืช".
02:17
(Laughter)
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(ืฆื—ื•ืง)
02:18
And it's real, we have membership cards
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ื•ื–ื” ืืžื™ืชื™, ื™ืฉ ืœื ื• ื›ืจื˜ื™ืกื™ ื—ื‘ืจ
02:21
and T-shirts.
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ื•ื—ื•ืœืฆื•ืช.
02:23
And when your person dies, your husband, wife, girlfriend, boyfriend,
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ื›ืฉืื“ื ืงืจื•ื‘ ืืœื™ืš ื ืคื˜ืจ, ื‘ืขืœืš, ืืฉืชืš, ื—ื‘ืจ ืื• ื—ื‘ืจื”,
02:26
literally don't care if you were married,
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ื–ื” ื‘ืืžืช ืœื ืžืฉื ื” ืื ื”ื™ื™ืชื ื ืฉื•ืื™ื,
02:28
your friends and your family are just going to look around
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ื”ื—ื‘ืจื™ื ื•ื”ืžืฉืคื—ื” ืฉืœื›ื ืขื•ืžื“ื™ื ืœื”ืกืชื›ืœ ืกื‘ื™ื‘
02:31
through friends of friends of friends of friends
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ื•ืœื—ืคืฉ ื‘ื›ืœ ืžืขื’ืœ ื”ื—ื‘ืจื™ื ืฉืœื›ื ื•ื”ื—ื‘ืจื™ื ืฉืœ ื”ื—ื‘ืจื™ื ืฉืœื›ื
02:34
until they find someone who's gone through something similar,
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ืขื“ ืฉื”ื ื™ืžืฆืื• ืžื™ืฉื”ื• ืฉืขื‘ืจ ื—ื•ื•ื™ื” ื“ื•ืžื”,
02:37
and then they'll push you towards each other
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ื•ื”ื ื™ื ืกื• ืœื“ื—ื•ืฃ ืืชื›ื ืื—ื“ ืœืขื‘ืจ ื”ืฉื ื™
02:39
so you can talk amongst yourselves and not get your sad on other people.
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ื›ื“ื™ ืฉืชื•ื›ืœื• ืœื“ื‘ืจ ื‘ื™ื ื™ื›ื ื•ืœื ืชืขืžื™ืกื• ืืช ื”ืขืฆื‘ ืฉืœื›ื ืขืœ ืื ืฉื™ื ืื—ืจื™ื.
02:43
(Laughter)
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(ืฆื—ื•ืง)
02:45
So that's what we do.
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ืื– ื–ื” ืžื” ืฉืื ื—ื ื• ืขื•ืฉื™ื.
02:47
It's just a series of small groups,
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ื–ื• ืจืง ืกื“ืจื” ืฉืœ ืงื‘ื•ืฆื•ืช ืงื˜ื ื•ืช,
02:50
where men, women, gay, straight, married, partnered,
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ื‘ื”ืŸ ืื ืฉื™ื, ื ืฉื™ื, ื”ื•ืžื•ืกืงืกื•ืืœื™ื, ืกื˜ืจื™ื™ื˜ื™ื, ื ืฉื•ืื™ื ืื• ื‘ื–ื•ื’ื™ื•ืช,
02:54
can talk about their dead person,
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ื™ื›ื•ืœื™ื ืœื“ื‘ืจ ืขืœ ื”ืงืจื•ื‘ ืฉื ืคื˜ืจ,
02:58
and say the things
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ื•ื”ื ืื•ืžืจื™ื ืืช ื”ื“ื‘ืจื™ื
03:00
that the other people in their lives aren't ready or willing to hear yet.
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ืฉื”ืื ืฉื™ื ื”ืื—ืจื™ื ื‘ื—ื™ื™ื”ื ืขื“ื™ื™ืŸ ืœื ืžื•ื›ื ื™ื ืื• ืจื•ืฆื™ื ืœืฉืžื•ืข.
03:03
Huge range of conversations.
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ืžื’ื•ื•ืŸ ืขืฆื•ื ืฉืœ ืฉื™ื—ื•ืช.
03:06
Like, "My husband died two weeks ago,
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ื›ืžื•, "ื‘ืขืœื™ ืžืช ืœืคื ื™ ืฉื‘ื•ืขื™ื™ื,
03:08
I can't stop thinking about sex, is that normal?"
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ืื ื™ ืœื ื™ื›ื•ืœื” ืœื”ืคืกื™ืง ืœื—ืฉื•ื‘ ืขืœ ืžื™ืŸ, ื–ื” ื ื•ืจืžืœื™?"
03:10
Yeah.
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ื›ืŸ.
03:11
"What if it's one of the Property Brothers?"
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"ืžื” ืื ื–ื” ืขื ืื—ื“ ืžื”- Property Brothers (ืกื“ืจื”)?"
03:13
Less normal, but I'll accept it.
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ืคื—ื•ืช ื ื•ืจืžืœื™, ืื‘ืœ ืื ื™ ืืงื‘ืœ ืืช ื–ื”.
03:15
(Laughter)
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(ืฆื—ื•ืง)
03:18
Things like, "Look, when I'm out in public and I see old people holding hands,
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ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ื›ืžื•, "ื›ืฉืื ื™ ื‘ื—ื•ืฅ ื‘ืคื•ืžื‘ื™ ื•ืื ื™ ืจื•ืื” ืื ืฉื™ื ืžื‘ื•ื’ืจื™ื ืžื—ื–ื™ืงื™ื ื™ื“ื™ื™ื,
03:22
couples who have clearly been together for decades,
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ื–ื•ื’ื•ืช ืฉื‘ื‘ื™ืจื•ืจ ื ืžืฆืื™ื ื™ื—ื“ ื›ื‘ืจ ืขืฉื•ืจื™ื,
03:25
and then I look at them and I imagine
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ื•ืื ื™ ืžืกืชื›ืœ ืขืœื™ื”ื ื•ืื ื™ ืžื“ืžื™ื™ืŸ
03:27
all of the things they've been through together,
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ืืช ื›ืœ ื”ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ืฉื”ื ืขื‘ืจื• ื™ื—ื“,
03:30
the good things, the bad things,
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ื”ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ื”ื˜ื•ื‘ื™ื, ื”ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ื”ืจืขื™ื,
03:31
the arguments they've had over who should take out the trash ...
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ื•ื”ื•ื™ื›ื•ื—ื™ื ืฉื”ื™ื• ืœื”ื ืขืœ ืžื™ ื™ื•ืฆื™ื ืืช ื”ื–ื‘ืœ...
03:34
I just find my heart filled with rage."
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ืื ื™ ืžื’ืœื” ืฉืื ื™ ืžืœื ื–ืขื."
03:37
(Laughter)
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03:38
And that example is personal to me.
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ื•ื”ื“ื•ื’ืžื ื”ื–ื• ื”ื™ื ืื™ืฉื™ืช ืขื‘ื•ืจื™.
03:42
Most of the conversations that we have in the group
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ืจื•ื‘ ื”ืฉื™ื—ื•ืช ืฉื™ืฉ ืœื ื• ื‘ืงื‘ื•ืฆื”
03:45
can and will just stay amongst ourselves,
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ืคืฉื•ื˜ ื™ื›ื•ืœื•ืช ื•ืืฃ ื™ื™ืฉืืจื• ื‘ื™ื ื™ื ื•,
03:47
but there are things that we talk about
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ืื‘ืœ ื™ืฉ ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ืฉืื ื—ื ื• ืžื“ื‘ืจื™ื ืขืœื™ื”ื
03:49
that the rest of the world -- the world that is grief-adjacent
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ืฉืฉืืจ ื”ืขื•ืœื -- ื”ืขื•ืœื ื”ืงืจื•ื‘ ืœืžืชืื‘ืœื™ื
03:52
but not yet grief-stricken --
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ืื‘ืœ ืขื“ื™ื™ืŸ ืœื ื‘ืื‘ืœ ื‘ืขืฆืžื• --
03:53
could really benefit from hearing.
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ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœื”ืจื•ื•ื™ื— ืžืœืฉืžื•ืข.
03:55
And if you can't tell,
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ื•ืื ืขื“ื™ืŸ ืœื ืฉืžืชื ืœื‘,
03:57
I'm only interested in / capable of unscientific studies,
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ืื ื™ ืจืง ืžืชืขื ื™ื™ื ืช ืื• ืžืกื•ื’ืœืช ืœื”ืฉืชืžืฉ, ื‘ืžื—ืงืจื™ื ืœื ืžื“ืขื™ื™ื,
04:01
so what I did was go to The Hot Young Widows Club
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ืื– ื”ืœื›ืชื™ ืœืžื•ืขื“ื•ืŸ ื”ืืœืžื ื•ืช ื”ืฆืขื™ืจื•ืช ื•ื”ื™ืคื•ืช
04:03
and say, "Hello, friends, remember when your person died?" They did.
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ื•ืืžืจืชื™, "ืฉืœื•ื ื—ื‘ืจื™ื, ื–ื•ื›ืจื™ื ื›ืฉื”ืื“ื ื”ืงืจื•ื‘ ืืœื™ื›ื ื ืคื˜ืจ?" ื”ื ื–ื›ืจื•.
04:08
"Do you remember all the things people said to you?"
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"ื–ื•ื›ืจื™ื ืืช ื›ืœ ื”ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ืฉืื ืฉื™ื ืืžืจื• ืœื›ื?"
04:11
"Oh, yeah."
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"ื›ืŸ"
04:12
"Which ones did you hate the most?"
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"ืื™ืœื• ืžื”ื ื”ื›ื™ ืฉื ืืชื?"
04:14
I got a lot of comments, lot of answers, people say a lot of things,
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ืงื™ื‘ืœืชื™ ื”ืจื‘ื” ื”ืขืจื•ืช, ื”ืจื‘ื” ืชืฉื•ื‘ื•ืช, ืื ืฉื™ื ืืžืจื• ื”ืจื‘ื” ื“ื‘ืจื™ื,
04:17
but two rose to the top pretty quickly.
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ืื‘ืœ ืฉืชื™ ืžื™ืœื™ื ืขืžื“ื• ื‘ืžืงื•ื ื”ืจืืฉื•ืŸ.
04:20
"Moving on."
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"ืžืชืงื“ืžื™ื ื”ืœืื”."
04:23
Now, since 2014,
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ืขื›ืฉื™ื•, ืžืื– 2014,
04:26
I will tell you I have remarried a very handsome man named Matthew,
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ืืกืคืจ ืœื›ื ืฉื”ืชื—ืชื ืชื™ ืžื—ื“ืฉ ืขื ืื“ื ื ืื” ืžืื“ ื‘ืฉื ืžืชื™ื•,
04:30
we have four children in our blended family,
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ื™ืฉ ืœื ื• ืืจื‘ืขื” ื™ืœื“ื™ื ื‘ืžืฉืคื—ื” ื”ืžืฉื•ืœื‘ืช ืฉืœื ื•,
04:33
we live in the suburbs of Minneapolis, Minnesota, USA.
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ืื ื—ื ื• ื’ืจื™ื ื‘ืคืจื•ื•ืจื™ื ืฉืœ ืžื™ื ื™ืืคื•ืœื™ืก, ืžื™ื ืกื•ื˜ื”, ืืจื”"ื‘.
04:36
We have a rescue dog.
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ื™ืฉ ืœื ื• ื›ืœื‘ ืฉืื™ืžืฆื ื•.
04:38
(Laughter)
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(ืฆื—ื•ืง)
04:39
I drive a minivan,
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ืื ื™ ื ื•ื”ื’ืช ื‘ืžื™ื ื™-ื•ื•ืืŸ,
04:41
like the kind where doors open and I don't even touch them.
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ืžืืœื” ืฉื”ื“ืœืชื•ืช ื ืคืชื—ื•ืช ื•ืื ื™ ืืคื™ืœื• ืœื ื ื•ื’ืขืช ื‘ื”ืŸ.
04:43
(Laughter)
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(ืฆื—ื•ืง)
04:45
Like, by any "mezhure," life is good.
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ื•ื›ืื™ืœื•, ื‘ื›ืœ ืžื“ื“ (ืžื–'ื•ืจ), ื”ื—ื™ื™ื ื˜ื•ื‘ื™ื.
04:48
I've also never said "mezhure," I've never once said it that way.
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ื’ื ื‘ื—ื™ื™ื ืœื ืืžืจืชื™ "ืžื–'ื•ืจ" ืืคื™ืœื• ืคืขื ืื—ืช ืœื ืืžืจืชื™ ืืช ื–ื” ื‘ืฆื•ืจื” ื”ื–ื•.
04:51
(Laughter)
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04:56
I don't know where that came from.
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ืื ื™ ืœื ื™ื•ื“ืขืช ืžืื™ืคื” ื–ื” ื‘ื.
04:58
(Laughter)
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(ืฆื—ื•ืง)
05:00
I've never heard anyone else say it that way.
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ืืฃ ืคืขื ืœื ืฉืžืขืชื™ ืžื™ืฉื”ื• ืื—ืจ ืื•ืžืจ ืืช ื–ื” ื‘ืฆื•ืจื” ื›ื–ื•.
05:02
It looks like it should be said that way,
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ื–ื” ื ืจืื” ื›ืื™ืœื• ืืžื•ืจื™ื ืœื•ืžืจ ืืช ื–ื” ื›ื›ื”,
05:04
and that's why the English language is trash, so ...
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ื•ื‘ื’ืœืœ ื–ื” ื”ืฉืคื” ื”ืื ื’ืœื™ืช ื”ื™ื ื–ื‘ืœ, ืื–...
05:07
(Laughter)
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05:08
So impressed with anyone who, like, speaks it
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ืื– ืื ื™ ืžืชืจืฉืžืช ืžื›ืœ ืžื™, ืฉื›ืื™ืœื•, ืžื“ื‘ืจ ืื•ืชื”
05:10
in addition to a language that makes sense -- good job.
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ื‘ื ื•ืกืฃ ืœืฉืคื” ืฉื”ื™ื ื”ื’ื™ื•ื ื™ืช -- ืขื‘ื•ื“ื” ื˜ื•ื‘ื”.
05:13
(Laughter)
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05:15
But by any measure ...
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ืื‘ืœ ื‘ื›ืœ ืืžืช ืžื™ื“ื”...
05:16
(Laughter)
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05:18
By any measure, life is really, really good, but I haven't "moved on."
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ื‘ื›ืœ ืžื“ื“, ื”ื—ื™ื™ื ื‘ืืžืช ื‘ืืžืช ื˜ื•ื‘ื™ื, ืื‘ืœ ืื ื™ ืœื "ื”ืชืงื“ืžืชื™ ื”ืœืื”."
05:24
I haven't moved on, and I hate that phrase so much,
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ืœื "ื”ืชืงื“ืžืชื™ ื”ืœืื”" ื•ืื ื™ ืฉื•ื ืืช ืืช ื”ื‘ื™ื˜ื•ื™ ื”ื–ื” ื›ืœ ื›ืš,
05:27
and I understand why other people do.
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ื•ืื ื™ ืžื‘ื™ื ื” ืœืžื” ืื—ืจื™ื ืฉื•ื ืื™ื ืื•ืชื•.
05:28
Because what it says
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ื›ื™ ืžื” ืฉื”ื•ื ืื•ืžืจ
05:30
is that Aaron's life and death and love are just moments
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ื–ื” ืฉื”ื—ื™ื™ื, ื•ื”ืžื•ื•ืช ื•ื”ืื”ื‘ื” ืฉืœ ืื”ืจื•ืŸ ื”ื™ื• ืจืง ืจื’ืขื™ื™ื
05:34
that I can leave behind me -- and that I probably should.
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ืฉืื ื™ ื™ื›ื•ืœื” ืœื”ืฉืื™ืจ ืžืื—ื•ืจื™ื™ -- ื•ืฉืื ื™ ื›ื ืจืื” ืฆืจื™ื›ื”.
05:38
And when I talk about Aaron, I slip so easily into the present tense,
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ื•ื›ืฉืื ื™ ืžื“ื‘ืจืช ืขืœ ืื”ืจื•ืŸ, ืื ื™ ืขื•ื‘ืจืช ื›ืœ ื›ืš ื‘ืงืœื•ืช ืœืœืฉื•ืŸ ื”ื•ื•ื”,
05:42
and I've always thought that made me weird.
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ื•ืชืžื™ื“ ื—ืฉื‘ืชื™ ืฉื–ื” ื”ื•ืคืš ืื•ืชื™ ืœืžื•ื–ืจื”.
05:45
And then I noticed that everybody does it.
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ื•ืื– ืฉืžืชื™ ืœื‘ ืฉื›ื•ืœื ืขื•ืฉื™ื ืืช ื–ื”.
05:48
And it's not because we are in denial or because we're forgetful,
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ื•ื–ื” ืœื ื‘ื’ืœืœ ืฉืื ื—ื ื• ื‘ื”ื›ื—ืฉื” ืื• ืฉืื ื—ื ื• ืฉื›ื—ื ื™ื,
05:52
it's because the people we love, who we've lost,
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ืืœื ื‘ื’ืœืœ ืฉืื ืฉื™ื ืฉืื”ื‘ื ื•, ืฉืื™ื‘ื“ื ื•,
05:55
are still so present for us.
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ืขื“ื™ื™ืŸ ื ื•ื›ื—ื™ื ืขื‘ื•ืจื ื•.
05:58
So, when I say, "Oh, Aaron is ..."
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ืื–, ื›ืฉืื ื™ ืื•ืžืจืช "ืื•, ืื”ืจื•ืŸ ื”ื•ื..."
06:02
It's because Aaron still is.
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ื–ื” ื›ื™ ืื”ืจื•ืŸ ืขื“ื™ื™ืŸ ื”ื•ื.
06:05
And it's not in the way that he was before,
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ื•ื–ื” ืœื ื‘ืื•ืชื• ื”ืื•ืคืŸ ืฉื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ืงื•ื“ื,
06:07
which was much better,
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ืฉื”ื™ื” ื”ืจื‘ื” ื™ื•ืชืจ ื˜ื•ื‘,
06:09
and it's not in the way that churchy people try to tell me that he would be.
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ื•ื–ื” ืœื ื‘ืื•ืคืŸ ืฉืื ืฉื™ื ืฉื”ื•ืœื›ื™ื ืœื›ื ืกื™ื” ืžื ืกื™ื ืœื•ืžืจ ืœื™ ืฉื”ื•ื ื™ื”ื™ื”.
06:12
It's just that he's indelible,
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ื–ื” ืจืง ื‘ื’ืœืœ ืฉืื™ ืืคืฉืจ ืœืžื—ื•ืง ืื•ืชื•,
06:17
and so he is present for me.
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ื”ื•ื ืขื“ื™ื™ืŸ ื ื•ื›ื— ืขื‘ื•ืจื™.
06:20
Here,
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ื›ืืŸ,
06:21
he's present for me in the work that I do,
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ื”ื•ื ื ื•ื›ื— ื‘ืฉื‘ื™ืœื™ ื‘ืขื‘ื•ื“ื” ืฉืื ื™ ืขื•ืฉื”,
06:24
in the child that we had together,
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ื‘ื™ืœื“ ืฉื™ืœื“ื ื• ื™ื—ื“,
06:26
in these three other children I'm raising,
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ื•ื‘ืฉืœื•ืฉืช ื”ื™ืœื“ื™ื ื”ืื—ืจื™ื ื”ืืœื” ืฉืื ื™ ืžื’ื“ืœืช,
06:28
who never met him, who share none of his DNA,
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ืฉืžืขื•ืœื ืœื ืคื’ืฉื• ืื•ืชื•, ืฉืœื ื—ื•ืœืงื™ื ืืช ื”ื“ื "ื ืฉืœื•,
06:31
but who are only in my life because I had Aaron
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ืื‘ืœ ื”ื ื‘ื—ื™ื™ ืจืง ืžืคื ื™ ืฉื”ื™ื” ืœื™ ืืช ืื”ืจื•ืŸ
06:35
and because I lost Aaron.
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ื•ืžืคื ื™ ืฉืื™ื‘ื“ืชื™ ืืช ืื”ืจื•ืŸ.
06:38
He's present in my marriage to Matthew,
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ื”ื•ื ื ื•ื›ื— ื‘ื ื™ืฉื•ืื™ื™ ืœืžืชื™ื•,
06:40
because Aaron's life and love and death
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ื›ื™ ื”ื—ื™ื™ื, ื”ืื”ื‘ื” ื•ื”ืžื•ื•ืช ืฉืœ ืื”ืจื•ืŸ
06:43
made me the person that Matthew wanted to marry.
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ื”ืคื›ื• ืื•ืชื™ ืœืื“ื ืฉืžืชื™ื• ืจืฆื” ืœื”ืชื—ืชืŸ ืื™ืชื•.
06:46
So I've not moved on from Aaron,
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ืื– ืœื ื”ืชืงื“ืžืชื™ ื”ืœืื” ืžืื”ืจื•ืŸ,
06:50
I've moved forward with him.
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ื”ืชืงื“ืžืชื™ ืงื“ื™ืžื” ืื™ืชื•.
06:56
(Applause)
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07:02
We spread Aaron's ashes in his favorite river in Minnesota,
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ืคื™ื–ืจื ื• ืืช ื”ืืคืจ ืฉืœ ืื”ืจื•ืŸ ื‘ื ื”ืจ ื”ืื”ื•ื‘ ืขืœื™ื• ื‘ืžื™ื ืกื•ื˜ื”,
07:07
and when the bag was empty --
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ื•ื›ืฉื”ืฉืงื™ืช ื”ื™ืชื” ืจื™ืงื” --
07:09
because when you're cremated, you fit into a plastic bag --
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ื›ื™ ื›ืฉืฉื•ืจืคื™ื ืื•ืชืš ืืชื” ื ื›ื ืก ื‘ืชื•ืš ืฉืงื™ืช ื ื™ื™ืœื•ืŸ --
07:13
there were still ashes stuck to my fingers.
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ืขื“ื™ื™ืŸ ื”ื™ื” ืืคืจ ื“ื‘ื•ืง ืœืืฆื‘ืขื•ืช ืฉืœื™.
07:16
And I could have just put my hands in the water and rinsed them,
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ื•ื™ื›ื•ืœืชื™ ืœืฉื™ื ืืช ื”ื™ื“ื™ื™ื ืฉืœื™ ื‘ืžื™ื ื•ืœืคื–ืจ ืื•ืชื•,
07:20
but instead, I licked my hands clean,
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ืื‘ืœ ื‘ืžืงื•ื, ืœื™ืงืงืชื™ ืืช ื”ื™ื“ื™ื™ื ืฉืœื™ ืขื“ ืฉื”ืŸ ื”ื™ื• ื ืงื™ื•ืช,
07:23
because I was so afraid of losing more than I had already lost,
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ื›ื™ ืคื—ื“ืชื™ ื›ืœ ื›ืš ืœืื‘ื“ ื™ื•ืชืจ ืžืžื” ืฉื›ื‘ืจ ืื™ื‘ื“ืชื™,
07:27
and I was so desperate to make sure that he would always be a part of me.
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ื•ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื›ืœ ื›ืš ื ื•ืืฉืช ืœื•ื•ื“ื ืฉื”ื•ื ืชืžื™ื“ ื™ื”ื™ื” ื—ืœืง ืžืžื ื™.
07:32
But of course he would be.
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ืื‘ืœ ื›ืžื•ื‘ืŸ ืฉื”ื•ื ื™ื”ื™ื”.
07:34
Because when you watch your person fill himself with poison for three years,
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ื›ื™ ื›ืฉืืชื” ืฆื•ืคื” ื‘ืื“ื ืฉืœืš ืžืžืœื ืืช ืขืฆืžื• ื‘ืจืขืœ ื‘ืžืฉืš ืฉืœื•ืฉ ืฉื ื™ื,
07:39
just so he can stay alive a little bit longer with you,
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ืจืง ื›ื“ื™ ืฉื”ื•ื ื™ื•ื›ืœ ืœื”ื™ืฉืืจ ืจืง ืขื•ื“ ืงืฆืช ื‘ื—ื™ื™ื ืื™ืชืš,
07:42
that stays with you.
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ื–ื” ื ืฉืืจ ืื™ืชืš.
07:45
When you watch him fade from the healthy person he was the night you met
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ื›ืืช ืฆื•ืคื” ื‘ื• ื“ื•ื”ื” ืžื”ืื“ื ื”ื‘ืจื™ื ืฉื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ื‘ืœื™ืœื” ืฉื ืคื’ืฉืชื
07:49
to nothing, that stays with you.
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ืœืฉื•ื ื“ื‘ืจ, ื–ื” ื ืฉืืจ ืื™ืชืš.
07:51
When you watch your son, who isn't even two years old yet,
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ื•ื›ืฉืืช ืฆื•ืคื” ื‘ื‘ืŸ ืฉืœืš, ืฉืขื•ื“ ืœื ื‘ืŸ ืฉื ืชื™ื™ื,
07:54
walk up to his father's bed on the last day of his life,
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ื ื™ื’ืฉ ืœืžื™ื˜ื” ืฉืœ ืื‘ื ืฉืœื• ื‘ื™ื•ื ื”ืื—ืจื•ืŸ ืœื—ื™ื™ื•,
07:57
like he knows what's coming in a few hours,
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ื›ืื™ืœื• ื”ื•ื ื™ื•ื“ืข ืžื” ืขื•ืžื“ ืœืงืจื•ืช ื‘ืขื•ื“ ื›ืžื” ืฉืขื•ืช,
07:59
and say, "I love you. All done. Bye, bye."
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ื•ืื•ืžืจ, "ืื ื™ ืื•ื”ื‘ ืื•ืชืš. ืกื™ื™ืžืชื™. ื‘ื™ื™, ื‘ื™ื™."
08:05
That stays with you.
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ื–ื” ื ืฉืืจ ืื™ืชืš.
08:09
Just like when you fall in love, finally, like really fall in love
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ื‘ื“ื™ื•ืง ื›ืžื• ืฉืืชื ืžืชืื”ื‘ื™ื, ืกื•ืฃ ืกื•ืฃ, ื›ืื™ืœื• ื‘ืืžืช ืžืชืื”ื‘ื™ื
08:14
with someone who gets you and sees you
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ืขื ืžื™ืฉื”ื• ืฉืžื‘ื™ืŸ ืื•ืชืš ื•ืจื•ืื” ืื•ืชืš
08:16
and you even see, "Oh, my God, I've been wrong this entire time.
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ื•ืืชื ืืคื™ืœื• ืจื•ืื™ื, "ืืœื•ื”ื™ื, ื›ืœ ื›ืš ื˜ืขื™ืชื™ ื›ืœ ื”ื–ืžืŸ ื”ื–ื”.
08:19
Love is not a contest or a reality show -- it's so quiet,
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ืื”ื‘ื” ื–ื• ืœื ืชื—ืจื•ืช ืื• ืชื›ื ื™ืช ืจื™ืืœื™ื˜ื™ -- ื”ื™ื ื›ืœ ื›ืš ืฉืงื˜ื”,
08:24
it's this invisible thread of calm that connects the two of us
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ื–ื” ื”ื—ื•ื˜ ื”ื‘ืœืชื™ ื ืจืื” ื”ื–ื” ืฉืœ ืฉืœื•ื•ื” ืฉืžื—ื‘ืจ ืืช ืฉื ื™ื ื•
08:28
even when everything is chaos,
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ืืคื™ืœื• ื›ืฉื”ื›ืœ ืžืœื ื‘ื›ืื•ืก,
08:29
when things are falling apart, even when he's gone."
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ื›ืฉื“ื‘ืจื™ื ืžืชืคืจืงื™ื, ืืคื™ืœื• ื›ืฉื”ื•ื ื›ื‘ืจ ืœื ื›ืืŸ."
08:34
That stays with you.
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ื–ื” ื ืฉืืจ ืื™ืชืš.
08:38
We used to do this thing --
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ื ื”ื’ื ื• ืœืขืฉื•ืช ืžืฉื”ื• --
08:40
because my hands are always freezing and he's so warm,
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ื›ื™ ื”ื™ื“ื™ื™ื ืฉืœื™ ื”ื™ื• ืชืžื™ื“ ืงืคื•ืื•ืช ื•ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ื›ืœ ื›ืš ื—ื,
08:43
where I would take my ice-cold hands and shove them up his shirt ...
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ื•ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื“ื•ื—ืคืช ืืช ื”ื™ื“ื™ื™ื ื”ืงืคื•ืื•ืช ืฉืœื™ ืœืชื•ืš ื”ื—ื•ืœืฆื” ืฉืœื•...
08:46
press them against his hot bod.
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ืœื•ื—ืฆืช ืื•ืชื ืขืœ ื”ื’ื•ืฃ ื”ืœื•ื”ื˜ ืฉืœื•.
08:48
(Laughter)
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(ืฆื—ื•ืง)
08:51
And he hated it so much,
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ื•ื”ื•ื ืฉื ื ืืช ื–ื” ื›ืœ ื›ืš,
08:53
(Laughter)
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(ืฆื—ื•ืง)
08:54
but he loved me,
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ืื‘ืœ ื”ื•ื ืื”ื‘ ืื•ืชื™,
08:56
and after he died, I laid in bed with Aaron
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ื•ื›ืฉื”ื•ื ืžืช, ื ืฉื›ื‘ืชื™ ื‘ืžื™ื˜ื” ืœื™ื“ ืื”ืจื•ืŸ
09:01
and I put my hands underneath him
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ื•ืฉืžืชื™ ืืช ื”ื™ื“ื™ื™ื ืฉืœื™ ืžืชื—ืชื™ื•
09:05
and I felt his warmth.
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ื•ื”ืจื’ืฉืชื™ ืืช ื”ื—ื•ื ืฉืœื•.
09:10
And I can't even tell you if my hands were cold,
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ื•ืื ื™ ืืคื™ืœื• ืœื ื™ื›ื•ืœื” ืœื•ืžืจ ืœื›ื ืื ื”ื™ื“ื™ื™ื ืฉืœื™ ื”ื™ื• ืงืจื•ืช,
09:13
but I can tell you
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ืื‘ืœ ืื ื™ ื™ื›ื•ืœื” ืœื•ืžืจ ืœื›ื
09:15
that I knew it was the last time I would ever do that.
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ืฉื™ื“ืขืชื™ ืฉื–ื• ื”ืคืขื ื”ืื—ืจื•ื ื” ืฉืืขืฉื” ืืช ื–ื” ืื™ ืคืขื.
09:20
And that that memory is always going to be sad.
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ื•ืฉื”ื–ื™ื›ืจื•ืŸ ื”ื–ื” ืชืžื™ื“ ื™ื”ื™ื” ืขืฆื•ื‘.
09:23
That memory will always hurt.
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ื”ื–ื™ื›ืจื•ืŸ ื”ื–ื” ืชืžื™ื“ ื™ื›ืื‘.
09:26
Even when I'm 600 years old and I'm just a hologram.
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ืืคื™ืœื• ื›ืฉืื”ื™ื” ื‘ืช ืฉืฉ ืžืื•ืช ื•ืื”ื™ื” ืจืง ื”ื•ืœื•ื’ืจืžื”.
09:28
(Laughter)
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(ืฆื—ื•ืง)
09:32
Just like the memory of meeting him is always going to make me laugh.
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ื‘ื“ื™ื•ืง ื›ืžื• ืฉื–ื™ื›ืจื•ืŸ ื”ืคื’ื™ืฉื” ืืชื• ืชืžื™ื“ ื™ื’ืจื•ื ืœื™ ืœืฆื—ื•ืง.
09:39
Grief doesn't happen in this vacuum,
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ื”ืื‘ืœ ืœื ืงื•ืจื” ื‘ืจื™ืง ื”ื–ื”,
09:41
it happens alongside of and mixed in with all of these other emotions.
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ื–ื” ืงื•ืจื” ื‘ืžืงื‘ื™ืœ ื•ื™ื—ื“ ืขื ื›ืœ ื”ืจื’ืฉื•ืช ื”ืื—ืจื™ื ื”ืืœื”.
09:50
So, I met Matthew, my current husband --
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ืื–, ืคื’ืฉืชื™ ืืช ืžืชื™ื•, ื‘ืขืœื™ ื”ื ื•ื›ื—ื™ --
09:54
who doesn't love that title,
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ืžื™ ืœื ืื•ื”ื‘ ืืช ื”ืชื•ืืจ ื”ื–ื”,
09:56
(Laughter)
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(ืฆื—ื•ืง)
10:00
but it's so accurate.
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ืื‘ืœ ื–ื” ื›ืœ ื›ืš ืžื“ื•ื™ืง.
10:02
(Laughter)
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(ืฆื—ื•ืง)
10:05
I met Matthew, and ...
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ืคื’ืฉืชื™ ืืช ืžืชื™ื• ื•...
10:09
there was this audible sigh of relief among the people who love me,
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ื”ื™ืชื” ืžื™ืŸ ืื ื—ืช ืจื•ื•ื—ื” ืงื•ืœื ื™ืช ืฉื›ื–ื• ื‘ืงืจื‘ ื”ืื ืฉื™ื ืฉืื•ื”ื‘ื™ื ืื•ืชื™,
10:12
like, "It's over!
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ื›ืžื•, "ื–ื” ื ื’ืžืจ!
10:16
She did it.
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ื”ื™ื ืขืฉืชื” ืืช ื–ื”.
10:19
She got a happy ending, we can all go home.
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ื”ื™ื ื”ืฉื™ื’ื” ืืช ื”ืกื•ืฃ ื”ืฉืžื—, ื›ื•ืœื ื• ื™ื›ื•ืœื™ื ืœืœื›ืช ื”ื‘ื™ืชื”.
10:21
And we did good."
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ื•ืคืขืœื ื• ื”ื™ื˜ื‘".
10:23
And that narrative is so appealing even to me,
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ื•ื”ื ืจื˜ื™ื‘ ื”ื–ื” ื›ืœ ื›ืš ืžื•ืฉืš, ืืคื™ืœื• ืขื‘ื•ืจื™,
10:26
and I thought maybe I had gotten that, too, but I didn't.
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ืฉื—ืฉื‘ืชื™ ืฉืื•ืœื™ ื’ื ืื ื™ ื ื“ื‘ืงืชื™ ื‘ื–ื”, ืื‘ืœ ืื ื™ ืœื.
10:30
I got another chapter.
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ืงื™ื‘ืœืชื™ ืขื•ื“ ืคืจืง.
10:33
And it's such a good chapter -- I love you, honey --
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ื•ื–ื” ืคืจืง ื›ืœ ื›ืš ื˜ื•ื‘ -- ืื ื™ ืื•ื”ื‘ืช ืื•ืชืš ืžื•ืชืง --
10:37
it's such a good chapter.
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ื–ื” ืคืจืง ื›ืœ ื›ืš ื˜ื•ื‘.
10:39
But especially at the beginning, it was like an alternate universe,
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ืื‘ืœ ื‘ื”ืชื—ืœื” ื‘ืžื™ื•ื—ื“ ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื›ืžื• ืขื•ืœื ืžืงื‘ื™ืœ,
10:43
or one of those old "choose your own adventure" books from the '80s
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ืื• ืื—ื“ ืžืื•ืชื ืกืคืจื™ื ืžืฉื ื•ืช ื”-80 ืฉืœ "ื‘ื—ืจ ืืช ื”ื”ืจืคืชืงื” ืฉืœืš"
10:46
where there are two parallel plot lines.
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ื‘ื”ื ื™ืฉื ื ืฉื ื™ ืงื•ื•ื™ ืขืœื™ืœื” ืžืงื‘ื™ืœื™ื.
10:48
So I opened my heart to Matthew,
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ืื– ืคืชื—ืชื™ ืืช ืœื™ื‘ื™ ืœืžืชื™ื•,
10:50
and my brain was like, "Would you like to think about Aaron?
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ื•ื”ืžื•ื— ืฉืœื™ ืืžืจ ืžืฉื”ื• ื›ืžื•, "ื”ืื ืืช ืจื•ืฆื” ืœื—ืฉื•ื‘ ืขืœ ืื”ืจื•ืŸ?
10:54
Like, the past, the present, future, just get in there," and I did.
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ื›ืื™ืœื•, ื”ืขื‘ืจ, ื”ื”ื•ื•ื”, ื”ืขืชื™ื“, ืคืฉื•ื˜ ื ื›ื ืกื™ื ืœืฉื", ื•ืขืฉื™ืชื™ ืืช ื–ื”.
10:59
And all of a sudden, those two plots were unfurling at once,
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ื•ืคืชืื•ื ืฉืชื™ ื”ืขืœื™ืœื•ืช ื ืคืจืžื• ื‘ื‘ืช ืื—ืช,
11:02
and falling in love with Matthew really helped me realize the enormity
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ื•ื”ื”ืชืื”ื‘ื•ืช ื‘ืžืชื™ื• ืžืžืฉ ืขื–ืจื” ืœื™ ืœื”ื‘ื™ืŸ ืืช ื”ื’ื•ื“ืœ
11:05
of what I lost when Aaron died.
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ืฉืœ ืžื” ืฉืื™ื‘ื“ืชื™ ื›ืฉืื”ืจื•ืŸ ืžืช.
11:09
And just as importantly,
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ื•ืœื ืคื—ื•ืช ื—ืฉื•ื‘,
11:10
it helped me realize that my love for Aaron
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ื–ื” ืขื–ืจ ืœื™ ืœื”ื‘ื™ืŸ ืฉื”ืื”ื‘ื” ืฉืœื™ ืœืื”ืจื•ืŸ
11:14
and my grief for Aaron,
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ื•ื”ืื‘ืœ ืฉืœื™ ืขืœ ืื”ืจื•ืŸ,
11:16
and my love for Matthew, are not opposing forces.
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ื•ื”ืื”ื‘ื” ืฉืœื™ ืœืžืชื™ื• ืื™ื ื ื›ื•ื—ื•ืช ืžื ื•ื’ื“ื™ื.
11:22
They are just strands to the same thread.
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ื”ื ืคืฉื•ื˜ ื—ื•ื˜ื™ื ื‘ืื•ืชื• ื”ืคืชื™ืœ.
11:26
They're the same stuff.
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ื–ื” ืื•ืชื• ื”ื“ื‘ืจ.
11:30
I'm ... what would my parents say?
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ืื ื™... ืžื” ื”ื”ื•ืจื™ื ืฉืœื™ ื”ื™ื• ืื•ืžืจื™ื?
11:33
I'm not special.
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ืื ื™ ืœื ืžื™ื•ื—ื“ืช.
11:35
(Laughter)
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(ืฆื—ื•ืง)
11:36
They had four kids, they were like ... frankly.
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ื”ื™ื• ืœื”ื ืืจื‘ืขื” ื™ืœื“ื™ื, ื”ื ื”ื™ื• ืคืฉื•ื˜... ื‘ื›ื ื•ืช.
11:39
(Laughter)
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(ืฆื—ื•ืง)
11:41
But I'm not, I'm not special.
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ืื‘ืœ ืื ื™ ืœื, ืื ื™ ืœื ืžื™ื•ื—ื“ืช.
11:42
I know that, I'm fully aware
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ืื ื™ ื™ื•ื“ืขืช ืืช ื–ื”, ืื ื™ ืžื•ื“ืขืช ืœื—ืœื•ื˜ื™ืŸ
11:44
that all day, every day, all around the world,
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ืฉื›ืœ ื”ื™ื•ื, ื›ืœ ื™ื•ื, ื‘ืจื—ื‘ื™ ื›ืœ ื”ืขื•ืœื,
11:47
terrible things are happening.
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ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ื ื•ืจืื™ื™ื ืžืชืจื—ืฉื™ื.
11:49
All the time.
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ื›ืœ ื”ื–ืžืŸ.
11:50
Like I said, fun person.
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ื›ืžื• ืฉืืžืจืชื™, ืื ื™ ื›ื™ื™ืคื™ืช.
11:52
But terrible things are happening,
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ืื‘ืœ ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ื ื•ืจืื™ื™ื ืžืชืจื—ืฉื™ื,
11:54
people are experiencing deeply formative and traumatic losses every day.
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ืื ืฉื™ื ื—ื•ื•ื™ื ืื•ื‘ื“ืŸ ืžืขืฆื‘ ื•ื˜ืจืื•ืžื˜ื™ ืขืžื•ืง ื‘ื›ืœ ื™ื•ื.
12:01
And as part of my job,
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ื•ื›ื—ืœืง ืžื”ืขื‘ื•ื“ื” ืฉืœื™,
12:03
this weird podcast that I have,
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ื”ืคื•ื“ืงืืกื˜ ื”ืžื•ื–ืจ ืฉื™ืฉ ืœื™,
12:05
I sometimes talk to people
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ืื ื™ ืœืคืขืžื™ื ืžื“ื‘ืจืช ืขื ืื ืฉื™ื
12:06
about the worst thing that's ever happened to them.
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ืขืœ ื”ื“ื‘ืจ ื”ื ื•ืจื ื‘ื™ื•ืชืจ ืฉืื™ ืคืขื ืงืจื” ืœื”ื.
12:09
And sometimes, that's the loss of someone they love,
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ื•ืœืคืขืžื™ื, ื–ื” ื”ืื•ื‘ื“ืŸ ืฉืœ ืžื™ืฉื”ื• ืฉื”ื ืื•ื”ื‘ื™ื,
12:12
sometimes days ago or weeks ago, years ago, even decades ago.
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ืœืคืขืžื™ื ืœืคื ื™ ื›ืžื” ื™ืžื™ื ืื• ื›ืžื” ืฉื‘ื•ืขื•ืช ืื• ื›ืžื” ืฉื ื™ื ื•ืืคื™ืœื• ื›ืžื” ืขืฉื•ืจื™ื.
12:18
And these people that I interview,
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ื•ืื•ืชื ืื ืฉื™ื ืฉืจืื™ื™ื ืชื™ ืื•ืชื,
12:20
they haven't closed themselves around this loss
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ื”ื ืžืขื•ืœื ืœื ืกื’ืจื• ืืช ืขืฆืžื ืกื‘ื™ื‘ ื”ืื•ื‘ื“ืŸ ื”ื–ื”
12:23
and made it the center of their lives.
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ื•ื”ืคื›ื• ืื•ืชื• ืœืžืจื›ื– ื—ื™ื™ื”ื.
12:25
They've lived, their worlds have kept spinning.
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ื”ื ื—ื™ื•, ื”ืขื•ืœื ืฉืœื”ื ื”ืžืฉื™ืš ืœื”ืกืชื•ื‘ื‘.
12:31
But they're talking to me, a total stranger,
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ืื‘ืœ ื”ื ืžื“ื‘ืจื™ื ืื™ืชื™, ื–ืจื” ื’ืžื•ืจื”,
12:34
about the person they love who has died,
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ืขืœ ื”ืื“ื ืฉื”ื ืื•ื”ื‘ื™ื ืฉืžืช,
12:36
because these are the experiences
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ื›ื™ ืืœื” ื”ื ื”ื—ื•ื•ื™ื•ืช
12:39
that mark us and make us just as much as the joyful ones.
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ืฉืžืกืžื ื•ืช ืื•ืชื ื• ื•ืžืขืฆื‘ื•ืช ืื•ืชื ื• ื‘ื“ื™ื•ืง ื›ืžื• ืืœื” ื”ืฉืžื—ื•ืช.
12:45
And just as permanently.
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ื•ื’ื ื”ืŸ ืœื ืฆื—.
12:48
Long after you get your last sympathy card
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ื”ืจื‘ื” ืื—ืจื™ ื›ืจื˜ื™ืก ื”ื ื—ืžื” ื”ืื—ืจื•ืŸ ืฉืงื™ื‘ืœืชื
12:51
or your last hot dish.
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ืื• ืžื ืช ื”ืื•ื›ืœ ื”ืื—ืจื•ื ื” ืฉืงื™ื‘ืœืชื.
12:53
Like, we don't look at the people around us
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ืื ื—ื ื• ืœื ืžืกืชื›ืœื™ื ืขืœ ื”ืื ืฉื™ื ืกื‘ื™ื‘ื ื•
12:55
experiencing life's joys and wonders and tell them to "move on," do we?
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ื”ื—ื•ื•ื™ื ืืช ื”ื ืื•ืช ื”ื—ื™ื™ื ื•ืื•ืžืจื™ื ืœื”ื "ืœื”ืชืงื“ื ื”ืœืื”", ื ื›ื•ืŸ?
13:00
We don't send a card that's like, "Congratulations on your beautiful baby,"
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ืื ื—ื ื• ืœื ืฉื•ืœื—ื™ื ื›ืจื˜ื™ืก ื‘ื• ื›ืชื•ื‘ ืžืฉื”ื• ื›ืžื•, "ืžื–ืœ ื˜ื•ื‘ ืœื”ื•ืœื“ืช ื”ืชื™ื ื•ืง ื”ื—ืžื•ื“",
13:03
and then, five years later, think like, "Another birthday party? Get over it."
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ื•ืื– ื—ืžืฉ ืฉื ื™ื ืœืื—ืจ ืžื›ืŸ ื—ื•ืฉื‘ื™ื, "ืขื•ื“ ื™ื•ื ื”ื•ืœื“ืช? ืชืชื’ื‘ืจื• ื›ื‘ืจ".
13:07
(Laughter)
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(ืฆื—ื•ืง)
13:09
Yeah, we get it, he's five.
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ืื•ืงื™ื™, ืงืœื˜ื ื•, ื”ื•ื ื‘ืŸ ื—ืžืฉ.
13:10
(Laughter)
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(ืฆื—ื•ืง)
13:12
Wow.
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ื•ืื•ื•.
13:13
(Laughter)
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(ืฆื—ื•ืง)
13:16
But grief is kind of one of those things,
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ืื‘ืœ ืื‘ืœ ื”ื•ื ืกื•ื’ ืฉืœ ืžืฉื”ื• ื›ื–ื”,
13:18
like, falling in love or having a baby or watching "The Wire" on HBO,
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ื›ืžื• ื”ืชืื”ื‘ื•ืช ืื• ืœื™ื“ืช ื™ืœื“ ืื• ืฆืคื™ื™ื” ื‘ืกื“ืจื” "ื”ืกืžื•ื™ื”" ื‘HBO,
13:21
where you don't get it until you get it, until you do it.
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ืฉืืชื” ืœื ืžื‘ื™ืŸ ืืช ื–ื” ืขื“ ืฉืืชื” ื—ื•ื•ื” ืืช ื–ื”, ืขื“ ืฉืืชื” ืขื•ื‘ืจ ืืช ื–ื”.
13:27
And once you do it, once it's your love or your baby,
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ื•ื‘ืจื’ืข ืฉืืชื” ืขื•ืฉื” ืืช ื–ื”, ื‘ืจื’ืข ืฉื–ืืช ื”ืื”ื‘ื” ืฉืœืš ืื• ื”ืชื™ื ื•ืง ืฉืœืš,
13:32
once it's your grief and your front row at the funeral,
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ื‘ืจื’ืข ืฉื–ื” ื”ืื‘ืœ ืฉืœืš ื•ืืชื” ื–ื” ืฉื‘ืฉื•ืจื” ื”ืจืืฉื•ื ื” ื‘ื”ืœื•ื•ื™ื”,
13:37
you get it.
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ืืชื” ืงื•ืœื˜ ืืช ื–ื”.
13:39
You understand what you're experiencing is not a moment in time,
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ืืชื” ืžื‘ื™ืŸ ืฉืžื” ืฉื—ื•ื•ื™ืช ื”ื•ื ืœื ืจื’ืข ืื—ื“ ื‘ื–ืžืŸ,
13:43
it's not a bone that will reset,
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ื–ื• ืœื ืขืฆื ืฉืชืชืื—ื”,
13:45
but that you've been touched by something chronic.
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ืืœื ืฉื—ื˜ืคืช ืžืฉื”ื• ื›ืจื•ื ื™.
13:48
Something incurable.
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ืžืฉื”ื• ืฉืื™ื ื• ื‘ืจ ืจื™ืคื•ื™.
13:50
It's not fatal, but sometimes grief feels like it could be.
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ื–ื” ืœื ืกื•ืคื ื™, ืื‘ืœ ืœืคืขืžื™ื ืื‘ืœ ืžืจื’ื™ืฉ ื›ืื™ืœื• ื”ื•ื ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ื›ื–ื”.
13:55
And if we can't prevent it in one another,
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ื•ืื ืื ื—ื ื• ืœื ื™ื›ื•ืœื™ื ืœืžื ื•ืข ืื•ืชื• ืžืœื”ืชืจื—ืฉ,
13:58
what can we do?
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ืžื” ื ื•ื›ืœ ืœืขืฉื•ืช?
14:02
What can we do other than try to remind one another
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ืžื” ืื ื—ื ื• ื™ื›ื•ืœื™ื ืœืขืฉื•ืช ื—ื•ืฅ ืžืœื ืกื•ืช ืœื”ื–ื›ื™ืจ ื–ื” ืœื–ื”
14:06
that some things can't be fixed,
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ืฉื™ืฉื ื ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ืฉืื™ ืืคืฉืจ ืœืชืงืŸ,
14:10
and not all wounds are meant to heal?
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ื•ืœื ื›ืœ ื”ืคืฆืขื™ื ืืžื•ืจื™ื ืœื”ื—ืœื™ื?
14:14
We need each other to remember,
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ืื ื—ื ื• ื–ืงื•ืงื™ื ื–ื” ืœื–ื” ื›ื“ื™ ืœื”ื™ื–ื›ืจ,
14:17
to help each other remember,
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ืœืขื–ื•ืจ ื–ื” ืœื–ื” ืœื–ื›ื•ืจ,
14:19
that grief is this multitasking emotion.
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ืฉืื‘ืœ ื”ื•ื ืจื’ืฉ ืจื‘ ืžืฉื™ืžืชื™.
14:22
That you can and will be sad, and happy; you'll be grieving, and able to love
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ืฉืืชื ื™ื›ื•ืœื™ื ื•ืชื”ื™ื• ืขืฆื•ื‘ื™ื, ื•ืฉืžื—ื™ื, ืชืชืื‘ืœื• ื•ืชื”ื™ื• ืžืกื•ื’ืœื™ื ืœืื”ื•ื‘
14:28
in the same year or week, the same breath.
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ื‘ืื•ืชื” ื”ืฉื ื” ืื• ื”ืฉื‘ื•ืข, ื‘ืื•ืชื” ื”ื ืฉื™ืžื”.
14:32
We need to remember that a grieving person is going to laugh again and smile again.
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ืื ื—ื ื• ืฆืจื™ื›ื™ื ืœื–ื›ื•ืจ ืฉืื“ื ืื‘ืœ ื”ื•ืœืš ืœืฆื—ื•ืง ืฉื•ื‘ ื•ืœื—ื™ื™ืš ืฉื•ื‘.
14:39
If they're lucky, they'll even find love again.
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ืื ื‘ืจื™ ืžื–ืœ, ืื ืืคื™ืœื• ื™ืžืฆืื• ืฉื•ื‘ ืื”ื‘ื”.
14:43
But yes, absolutely, they're going to move forward.
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ืื‘ืœ ื›ืŸ, ื‘ื”ื—ืœื˜, ื”ื ื”ื•ืœื›ื™ื ืœื ื•ืข ืงื“ื™ืžื”.
14:48
But that doesn't mean that they've moved on.
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ืื‘ืœ ื–ื” ืœื ืื•ืžืจ ืฉื”ื ื”ืชืงื“ืžื• ื”ืœืื”.
14:52
Thank you.
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ืชื•ื“ื” ืจื‘ื”.
14:53
(Applause)
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(ืžื—ื™ืื•ืช ื›ืคื™ื™ื)
ืขืœ ืืชืจ ื–ื”

ืืชืจ ื–ื” ื™ืฆื™ื’ ื‘ืคื ื™ื›ื ืกืจื˜ื•ื ื™ YouTube ื”ืžื•ืขื™ืœื™ื ืœืœื™ืžื•ื“ ืื ื’ืœื™ืช. ืชื•ื›ืœื• ืœืจืื•ืช ืฉื™ืขื•ืจื™ ืื ื’ืœื™ืช ื”ืžื•ืขื‘ืจื™ื ืขืœ ื™ื“ื™ ืžื•ืจื™ื ืžื”ืฉื•ืจื” ื”ืจืืฉื•ื ื” ืžืจื—ื‘ื™ ื”ืขื•ืœื. ืœื—ืฅ ืคืขืžื™ื™ื ืขืœ ื”ื›ืชื•ื‘ื™ื•ืช ื‘ืื ื’ืœื™ืช ื”ืžื•ืฆื’ื•ืช ื‘ื›ืœ ื“ืฃ ื•ื™ื“ืื• ื›ื“ื™ ืœื”ืคืขื™ืœ ืืช ื”ืกืจื˜ื•ืŸ ืžืฉื. ื”ื›ืชื•ื‘ื™ื•ืช ื’ื•ืœืœื•ืช ื‘ืกื ื›ืจื•ืŸ ืขื ื”ืคืขืœืช ื”ื•ื•ื™ื“ืื•. ืื ื™ืฉ ืœืš ื”ืขืจื•ืช ืื• ื‘ืงืฉื•ืช, ืื ื ืฆื•ืจ ืื™ืชื ื• ืงืฉืจ ื‘ืืžืฆืขื•ืช ื˜ื•ืคืก ื™ืฆื™ืจืช ืงืฉืจ ื–ื”.

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