Jackson Katz: Violence against women—it's a men's issue

Translator: Joseph Geni Reviewer: Morton Bast

Translator: Ainize Sarrionandia Reviewer: Maider Lizoain

I'm going to share with you a paradigm-shifting perspective

Zuekin partekatzera noa

genero indarkeriaren paradigma

aldatzera doan ikuspuntu bat.

on the issues of gender violence: sexual assault, domestic violence,

Eraso sexuala, etxeko indarkeria, harreman arazoak,

relationship abuse, sexual harassment, sexual abuse of children.

sexu-jazarpena, haurren eraso sexuala...

That whole range of issues

Laburturik, landuko ditudan kontu guztiak,

that I'll refer to in shorthand as "gender violence issues,"

"genero indarkeria kontuak" deituak,

they've been seen as women's issues that some good men help out with,

emakumeen arazoak balira bezala ikusi izan dira

non gizon onek lagundu egiten duten.

but I have a problem with that frame and I don't accept it.

Baina honek arazo bat dakar eta ez dut onartuko.

Hau ez da emakumeen zerbait non gizon onek lagundu egiten duten.

I don't see these as women's issues that some good men help out with.

In fact, I'm going to argue that these are men's issues,

Egia esan, kontu hauek gizonenak direla defendatuko dut

batez ere.

first and foremost.

(Txaloak)

Now obviously --

(Applause)

Obviously, they're also women's issues, so I appreciate that,

Emakumeen kontuak ere badira, noski,

ulertzen dut, baina

but calling gender violence a women's issue is part of the problem,

genero biolentzia emakumeei egoztea arazoaren parte da

hainbat arrazoi direla eta.

for a number of reasons.

The first is that it gives men an excuse not to pay attention, right?

Lehena, gizonei aukera ematen diela arretarik ez jartzeko.

Gizon askok "emakumeen kontuak" entzutean

A lot of men hear the term "women's issues"

"deskonektatu" egiten dugu

and we tend to tune it out, and we think,

pentsatuz, ni gizona naiz, hori neskentzat, emakumeentzat da.

"I'm a guy; that's for the girls," or "that's for the women."

Eta gizon askok ez dute arreta jartzen lehen esaldiaren ondoren,

And a lot of men literally don't get beyond the first sentence as a result.

ondorio gisa.

Garunean txip bat aktibatzea bezala da ia,

It's almost like a chip in our brain is activated,

eta bide neuronalek beste norabide bat hartuko balute bezala

and the neural pathways take our attention in a different direction

"emakumeen kontuak" entzutean.

when we hear the term "women's issues."

Hemen eragina du "genero" hitzak ere,

This is also true, by the way, of the word "gender,"

askok "genero" entzun

because a lot of people hear the word "gender"

eta "emakume" pentsatzen dutelako.

and they think it means "women."

Genero kontuak eta emakume kontuak sinonimotzat hartzen dituzte.

So they think that gender issues is synonymous with women's issues.

Nahasmena dago "genero" hitzaren inguruan.

There's some confusion about the term gender.

Eta nahaste hau analogia batekin azalduko dizuet.

And let me illustrate that confusion by way of analogy.

Hitz egin dezagun arrazari buruz.

So let's talk for a moment about race.

EEBBetan, "arraza" entzutean

In the US, when we hear the word "race,"

askok afro-amerikar ulertzen dute,

a lot of people think that means African-American,

latino, asiar-amerikar, amerikar natibo,

Latino, Asian-American, Native American,

Asia hegoaldeko, Pazifikoko irletako, etab.

South Asian, Pacific Islander, on and on.

Askok, "orientazio sexual" entzutean

A lot of people, when they hear the word "sexual orientation"

gay, lesbiana edo bisexual ulertzen dute.

think it means gay, lesbian, bisexual.

And a lot of people, when they hear the word "gender,"

Askok, "genero" hitza entzutean, emakume ulertzen dute.

think it means women.

Kasu bakoitzean,

talde dominatzaileari ez zaio arreta eskaintzen.

In each case, the dominant group doesn't get paid attention to.

Arraza zurikoak arraza identitaterik edo

As if white people don't have some sort of racial identity

arraza kategoriarik ez balute bezala.

or belong to some racial category or construct,

Heterosexualek orientazio sexualik ez balute bezala,

as if heterosexual people don't have a sexual orientation,

as if men don't have a gender.

gizonek generorik ez balute bezala.

This is one of the ways that dominant systems maintain and reproduce themselves,

Horrela mantentzen dira sistema dominatzaileak

eta euren burua ugaldu.

which is to say the dominant group is rarely challenged

Talde dominatzaileari ez zaio erronkarik botatzen,

ezta bere nagusitasunaz pentsarazten ere,

to even think about its dominance,

hori baita indar eta pribilegioaren ezaugarri bereizgarria.

because that's one of the key characteristics of power and privilege,

Aztertua ez izateko gaitasuna,

the ability to go unexamined,

lacking introspection, in fact being rendered invisible, in large measure,

introspekzio faltarekin batera,

diskurtsoaren barruan ikusezinak bezala sentitzea

neurri handi batean

in the discourse about issues that are primarily about us.

eta batez ere guri buruzko gaietan.

And this is amazing how this works in domestic and sexual violence,

Harrigarria da nola funtzionatzen duen

etxeko eta sexu indarkerian.

how men have been largely erased from so much of the conversation

Nola gizonak ezabatu diren

gai honi buruzko elkarrizketetatik,

about a subject that is centrally about men.

bereziki gizonei buruzkoak direnean.

And I'm going to illustrate what I'm talking about

Zeri buruz ari naizen erakutsiko dizuet

by using the old tech.

teknologia zaharrarekin.

I'm old school on some fundamental regards.

Eskola zaharrekoa naiz aspektu batzuetan.

I make films and I work with high tech,

Filmekin eta goi mailako teknologiarekin lan egiten dut

but I'm still old school as an educator,

baina eskola zaharrekoa naiz hezitzaile gisa,

eta zuekin partekatu nahi dut ariketa hau

and I want to share with you this exercise

that illustrates on the sentence-structure level

zeinak erakusten duen esaldiaren estruktura mailan

dugun pentsatzeko erak

how the way that we think, literally the way that we use language,

literalki, hizkuntza erabiltzeko dugun moduak,

nola urruntzen duen arreta gizonengandik.

conspires to keep our attention off of men.

Zehazki etxeko indarkeriaz ari naiz

This is about domestic violence in particular,

but you can plug in other analogues.

baina beste eremu batzuetan aplikatu daiteke.

This comes from the work of the feminist linguist Julia Penelope.

Julia Penelope linguista feministaren lanetik dator hau.

It starts with a very basic English sentence:

Inglesezko oinarrizko esaldi batekin hasten da:

"John beat Mary"

"John beat Mary."

That's a good English sentence.

Inglesez esaldi zuzena da.

John subjektua da. Jo aditza.

John is the subject, beat is the verb, Mary is the object, good sentence.

Mary objektua da. Esaldi zuzena.

Now we're going to move to the second sentence,

Ekin diezaiogun 2. esaldiari,

non berdina esaten den modu pasiboan.

which says the same thing in the passive voice.

"Mary was beaten by John".

"Mary was beaten by John."

And now a whole lot has happened in one sentence.

Eta esaldi batean dena aldatu da.

"John beat Mary" esalditik

We've gone from "John beat Mary"

to "Mary was beaten by John."

"Mary was beaten by John" esaldira.

Gure arreta Johnetik Maryra pasatu dugu,

We've shifted our focus in one sentence from John to Mary,

and you can see John is very close to the end of the sentence,

eta John esaldi amaieran geratzen da,

well, close to dropping off the map of our psychic plain.

gure eremu psikikoa uzteko zorian.

The third sentence, John is dropped,

Hirugarren esaldian John desagertzen da,

eta "Mary was beaten" dugu

and we have, "Mary was beaten,"

and now it's all about Mary.

eta dena da Maryren inguruan.

We're not even thinking about John, it's totally focused on Mary.

Ez dugu Johni buruz pentsatzen, Maryn zentratzen gara.

Aurreko belaunaldian, erabilitako hitza

Over the past generation,

the term we've used synonymous with "beaten" is "battered,"

jipoitu zen jo ordez

beraz "Mary was battered" dugu.

so we have "Mary was battered."

Eta sekuentzia honetako azken esaldia

And the final sentence in this sequence, flowing from the others, is,

besteetatik eratorria,

"Mary is a battered woman" da.

"Mary is a battered woman."

So now Mary's very identity -- Mary is a battered woman --

Orain Maryren identitatea: jipoitutako emakumea da.

Johnek hasieran egindakoa zehazten du.

is what was done to her by John in the first instance.

Baina erakutsi dugu Johnek aspaldi utzi zuela elkarrizketa.

But we've demonstrated that John has long ago left the conversation.

Etxeko eta sexu indarkeriarekin dihardugunok

Those of us who work in the domestic and sexual violence field

badakigu ohikoa dela biktimari botatzea errua eremu honetan,

know that victim-blaming is pervasive in this realm,

which is to say, blaming the person to whom something was done

hau da, zerbait egin zaion biktima errudun egitea

rather than the person who did it.

ekintza egin duenaren ordez.

Eta esaten dugu: zergatik doaz horrelako gizonekin?

And we say: why do they go out with these men?

Nola gustatzen zaizkie holakoak?

Why are they attracted to them? Why do they keep going back?

Zergatik itzultzen dira? Ze erropa jantzi zuen?

What was she wearing at that party? What a stupid thing to do.

A ze inozokeria.

Zergatik edan zuen gizon horiekin hoteleko gelan?

Why was she drinking with those guys in that hotel room?

Biktima kulpabilizatzea da hori, eta gertatzeko arrazoi asko daude:

This is victim blaming, and there are many reasons for it,

esaterako, gure estruktura kognitiboa biktimak erruduntzean oinarritzen da,

but one is that our cognitive structure is set up to blame victims.

inkontzienteki.

This is all unconscious.

Estruktura kognitiboak galderak egiten ditu emakumeen eta hauen aukeren inguruan,

Our whole cognitive structure is set up to ask questions

about women and women's choices and what they're doing, thinking, wearing.

pentsamendu eta arropen inguruan.

Ez dut isilaraziko emakumeei buruz galdetzen duen jendea.

And I'm not going to shout down people who ask questions about women.

Bidezkoa da galdetzea.

It's a legitimate thing to ask.

Baina argiak izanez: Maryri buruz galdetzeak

But's let's be clear: Asking questions about Mary

ez gaitu indarkeria ekiditera eramango.

is not going to get us anywhere in terms of preventing violence.

Galdera desberdinak egin behar ditugu.

We have to ask a different set of questions.

Ikusten esan nahi dudana?

The questions are not about Mary, they're about John.

Galderak ez dira Maryri buruzkoak. Johni buruzkoak baizik.

Galderek aztertu behar dute, zergatik Johnek Mary jotzen duen

They include things like, why does John beat Mary?

zergatik oraindik etxeko indarkeria dagoen

Why is domestic violence still a big problem in the US and all over the world?

EEBBetan eta mundu osoan.

What's going on? Why do so many men abuse physically,

Zer gertatzen da? Zergatik hainbeste gizonek

fisikoki, emozionalki, berbalki eta bestela erasotzen dituzte

emotionally, verbally, and other ways,

the women and girls, and the men and boys, that they claim to love?

emakumeak eta neskak, gizonak eta mutilak

maite dituztela esanez?

Zer gertatzen da gizonekin?

What's going on with men?

Why do so many adult men sexually abuse little girls and boys?

Zergatik erasotzen dituzte gizonek haurrak sexualki?

Zergatik da ohiko arazoa gure gizartean

Why is that a common problem in our society

eta mundu guztian gaur egun?

and all over the world today?

Zergatik entzuten ditugu behin eta berriz

Why do we hear over and over again

about new scandals erupting in major institutions

eskandalu berriak instituzio nagusien inguruan

eliza katolikoa edo Penn State futbol programa esaterako

like the Catholic Church or the Penn State football program

edo EEBBetako Boy Scoutak etab.?

or the Boy Scouts of America, on and on and on?

And then local communities all over the country

Herrialdeko komunikabide lokaletan eta mundu guztikoetan?

and all over the world.

Etengabe jasotzen ditugu berriak.

We hear about it all the time.

The sexual abuse of children.

Haurren kontrako eraso sexualak.

What's going on with men? Why do so many men rape women

Zer gertatzen da gizonekin?

Zergatik bortxatu hainbeste emakume gure gizartean eta munduan?

in our society and around the world?

Zergatik bortxatzen dituzte gizonek hainbeste gizon?

Why do so many men rape other men?

What is going on with men?

Zer gertatzen da gizonekin?

And then what is the role of the various institutions in our society

Eta zein da gure gizartean instituzioen jarrera

that are helping to produce abusive men at pandemic rates?

hainbeste gizon erasotzaile sortzeko kopuru pandemikoetan?

Because this isn't about individual perpetrators.

Ez baita erasotzaile indibidualen kontua.

That's a naive way to understanding what is a much deeper

Era inozoa da hori

sakonagoa eta sistematikoagoa den arazo sozial bat ulertzeko.

and more systematic social problem.

Dakizuenez, erasotzaileak ez dira ihes egindako munstroak

The perpetrators aren't these monsters who crawl out of the swamp

herrira etorri eta gaiztakeriak egiten dituztenak

and come into town and do their nasty business

eta gero iluntasunera itzultzen direnak.

and then retreat into the darkness.

Hori oso ikuspegi inozoa da, ezta?

That's a very naive notion, right?

Perpetrators are much more normal than that, and everyday than that.

Erasotzaileak hori baino arruntagoak dira,

eta egunerokoagoak.

Galdera da ea zer egiten ari garen gizartean eta munduan.

So the question is, what are we doing here in our society and in the world?

What are the roles of various institutions

Zein da instituzioen rola

in helping to produce abusive men?

gizon erasotzaileak sortzerakoan?

Zein da sinismen erlijiosoen eginkizuna,

What's the role of religious belief systems,

kirol kulturarena, pornografia kulturarena,

the sports culture, the pornography culture,

the family structure, economics, and how that intersects,

familia estrukturarena, ekonomiarena, eta hauen arteko erlazioarena,

eta arrazarena, etniena, eta hauen arteko erlazioarena?

and race and ethnicity and how that intersects?

Nola funtzionatzen du horrek?

How does all this work?

And then, once we start making those kinds of connections

Eta behin lotura horiek egiten hasita

and asking those important and big questions,

eta galdera garrantzitsu horiek egiten hasita,

eraldatzaileak izateari buruz hitz egin dezakegu.

then we can talk about how we can be transformative,

in other words, how can we do something differently?

Nola egin gauzak beste era batera?

Nola alda ditzakegu praktikak?

How can we change the practices?

How can we change the socialization of boys

Nola alda dezakegu mutilen sozializazioa

and the definitions of manhood that lead to these current outcomes?

eta ondorio horietara eramaten duen gizontasunaren definizioa?

These are the kind of questions that we need to be asking

Hauek dira egin beharreko galderak

eta egin beharreko lana.

and the kind of work that we need to be doing,

Baina emakumea egiten ari denean zentratzen bagara,

but if we're endlessly focused on what women are doing and thinking

eta harremanetan edo beste gauzetan pentsatzen badugu,

in relationships or elsewhere,

ez gara gizonengana iritsiko.

we're not going to get to that piece.

Orain ulertzen ditut emakume asko,

I understand that a lot of women

who have been trying to speak out about these issues,

honi buruz hitz egiten saiatu direnak,

gaur, atzo eta urte askotan zehar,

today and yesterday and for years and years,

eta isilaraziak izan direnak saiakerengatik.

often get shouted down for their efforts.

They get called nasty names like "male-basher" and "man-hater,"

"Gizon-erasotzaile" bezalako izen itsusiak jartzen dizkiete

edo "gizonak gorroto dituena"

edo iraingarria den "feminazi".

and the disgusting and offensive "feminazi", right?

Badakizue zeri buruz doan hau?

And you know what all this is about?

It's called kill the messenger.

Mezularia hiltzea deritzo.

Zutik dirauten emakumeei

It's because the women who are standing up

eta beraien eta besteen izenean hitz egiten dutenei,

and speaking out for themselves and for other women

baita gizonen izenean ere, zuzendutako mezua da;

as well as for men and boys,

it's a statement to them to sit down and shut up,

esertzeko eta isiltzeko, egungo sistema mantentzeko,

keep the current system in place,

ez zaigulako gustatzen gauzak mugitzea.

because we don't like it when people rock the boat.

Ez zaigu gustatzen boterea mehatxatzea.

We don't like it when people challenge our power.

Eseri eta isildu, labur esanda.

You'd better sit down and shut up, basically.

Eta eskerrak emakumeek ez duten hori egin.

And thank goodness that women haven't done that.

Eskerrak mundu batean bizi garen

Thank goodness that we live in a world

non emakumeen lidergotza asko dagoen horri aurka egiteko.

where there's so much women's leadership that can counteract that.

Baina gizonok dugun rol boteretsu bat

But one of the powerful roles that men can play in this work

batzuetan emakumeek esan ezin dituzten gauza batzuk esan ditzakegula da

is that we can say some things that sometimes women can't say,

edo, hobeto, entzunak izan gaitezke

or, better yet, we can be heard saying some things

emakumeak entzunak ezin izan direnean.

that women often can't be heard saying.

Badakit hori arazo bat dela. Sexismoa da.

Now, I appreciate that that's a problem, it's sexism, but it's the truth.

Baina egia da.

Eta gizonei esaten diedana da, eta lankideei, beti esaten dut,

So one of the things that I say to men,

and my colleagues and I always say this,

indar eta ausardia duten gizon gehiago behar ditugula

is we need more men who have the courage and the strength

altsatu eta gauza hauek esaten hasteko

to start standing up and saying some of this stuff,

emakumeekin altsatzeko eta ez hauen aurka

and standing with women and not against them

iradokiz nolabait hau

sexuen arteko gerra, edo horrelako zentzugabekeria dela.

and pretending that somehow this is a battle between the sexes

Elkarrekin bizi gara munduan.

and other kinds of nonsense.

We live in the world together.

Kezkatzen nauen gauza bat

And by the way, one of the things that really bothers me

feministen aurkako erretorika horretan zera da,

about some of the rhetoric against feminists and others

emakumeen aurkako borrokan

eta munduan zehar dagoen krisian

who have built the battered women's and rape crisis movements around the world

nolabait, emakume batzuk gizonen aurka daudela.

is that somehow, like I said, that they're anti-male.

Zer gertatzen da hunkitu egiten diren mutilekin

What about all the boys who are profoundly affected in a negative way

gizon askok egiten dutenagatik

beraien ama, arreba edo eurengatik?

by what some adult man is doing against their mother, themselves, their sisters?

Zer gertatzen da mutil guzti horiekin?

What about all those boys?

Zer gertatzen da gizonen indarkeriagatik traumatizatuak izan diren mutil eta gazteekin?

What about all the young men and boys

who have been traumatized by adult men's violence?

Emakumeak erasotzen dituztenak sortzen dituen sistemak

You know what?

The same system that produces men who abuse women,

gizonak erasotzen dituztenak ere sortzen ditu.

produces men who abuse other men.

Gizonezko biktimei buruz hitz egin nahi badugu, egin dezagun.

And if we want to talk about male victims, let's talk about male victims.

Gizonezko biktima gehienak gizonen indarkeriaren biktima dira.

Most male victims of violence are the victims of other men's violence.

Gizon eta emakumeek komunean duten zerbait da hori.

So that's something that both women and men have in common.

Denok gara gizonen indarkeriaren biktimak.

We are both victims of men's violence.

Beraz gure interesa da,

So we have it in our direct self-interest,

ez esatearren ezagutzen ditudan gizon gehienak

not to mention the fact that most men that I know

inporta zaizkien emakumeak dauzkagula,

have women and girls that we care deeply about,

gure familia eta lagunartean.

in our families and our friendship circles and every other way.

So there's so many reasons why we need men to speak out.

Horregatik hitz egiteko arrazoi asko ditugu.

It seems obvious saying it out loud, doesn't it?

Bistakoa dirudi altuan esatea, ezta?

Now, the nature of the work that I do and my colleagues do

Beraz, nire eta lankideen lana

in the sports culture and the US military, in schools,

kiroletan, EEBBetako armadan, eskoletan,

lekukoaren hurbilketa deiturikoa da

we pioneered this approach called the bystander approach

to gender-violence prevention.

genero biolentziaren inguruan.

And I just want to give you the highlights of the bystander approach,

Lekukoen hurbilketaren inguruko zerbait esan nahi nuke,

aldaketa nabarmena suposatzen duelako, eta bereizgarri asko eskaintzen ditu.

because it's a big thematic shift,

although there's lots of particulars,

Oinarrian, gizonak erasotzaile gisa ikusi beharrean

but the heart of it is, instead of seeing men as perpetrators

and women as victims,

eta emakumeak biktima

or women as perpetrators, men as victims,

edo emakumeak erasotzaile eta gizonak biktima,

or any combination in there.

edo edozein konbinazio.

I'm using the gender binary.

Genero binarioa darabilt.

I know there's more than men and women, there's more than male and female.

Badakit gizonak eta emakumeak baino gehiago dagoela.

Eta badaude emakume erasotzaileak,

And there are women who are perpetrators,

eta noski gizon biktimak.

and of course there are men who are victims.

Espektro handi bat dago.

There's a whole spectrum.

Baina modu binarioan ikusi beharrean,

But instead of seeing it in the binary fashion,

lekukoen ikuspegia defendatzen dugu,

we focus on all of us as what we call bystanders,

eta lekukoak ez erasotzaile ez biktima direnak dira;

and a bystander is defined as anybody who is not a perpetrator or a victim

in a given situation,

so in other words friends, teammates, colleagues, coworkers, family members,

hau da, lagunak, taldekideak, lankideak,

familia kideak edo edonor

those of us who are not directly involved in a dyad of abuse,

erasoaren diadan sartuta ez dagoena,

but we are embedded in social, family, work, school,

baina baditugu gizartean, familian, eskolan, lanean,

eta beste erlazioetan eraso egoeran egon daitezkeenak.

and other peer culture relationships

with people who might be in that situation.

Zer egin? Nola hitz egin? Nola egin aurka lagunei?

What do we do? How do we speak up? How do we challenge our friends?

Nola babestu lagunak?

How do we support our friends?

Nola egin isilik ez geratzeko erasoen aurrean?

But how do we not remain silent in the face of abuse?

Now, when it comes to men and male culture,

Gizon eta gizon kulturari dagokionez,

erasotzaile ez direnek badirenei aurre egitea da helburua.

the goal is to get men who are not abusive to challenge men who are.

And when I say abusive, I don't mean just men who are beating women.

Eta erasotzaileak ez dira bakarrik emakumeak jotzen dituztenak.

We're not just saying a man whose friend is abusing his girlfriend

Ez da soilik gizonei esatea

neskalaguna jotzen duen gizona geldiarazi behar dutela

needs to stop the guy at the moment of attack.

erasoaren momentuan.

That's a naive way of creating a social change.

Hau aldaketa soziala ulertzeko modu inozoa da.

It's along a continuum, we're trying to get men to interrupt each other.

Kontinuum batean saiatu behar dugu gizonok elkarri geldiarazten.

So, for example, if you're a guy and you're in a group of guys

Adibidez, gizona bazara eta gizon talde batean bazaude

playing poker, talking, hanging out, no women present,

pokerrean jolasten, hitz egiten, emakumerik gabe,

and another guy says something sexist or degrading or harassing about women,

eta gizon batek zerbait sexista esaten badu

edo mingarria emakumeentzat,

barre egin beharrean edo ez entzunarena egin,

instead of laughing along or pretending you didn't hear it,

we need men to say, "Hey, that's not funny.

zera esan behar dugu:

"Aizu, ez da barregarria. Nire arreba izan liteke hori,

that could be my sister you're talking about,

beste zerbaiti buruz egin dezakezu barre?

and could you joke about something else?

Edo beste zerbaitez hitz egin?

Or could you talk about something else?

Ez nago gustora gai honekin."

I don't appreciate that kind of talk."

Zuria izango bazina bezala eta beste zuri batek

Just like if you're a white person

and another white person makes a racist comment, you'd hope, I hope,

komentario arrazista egitean, esperoko zenuke

zuriek ez onartzea beste zuri batek egindako komentario arrazista.

that white people would interrupt that racist enactment

by a fellow white person.

Just like with heterosexism, if you're a heterosexual person

Heteresoxuala izango bazina bezala

eta jokabide erasotzaileen aurrean ezer egingo ez bazenu,

and you yourself don't enact harassing or abusive behaviors

beste orientazio batzuen aurkako komentarioa

towards people of varying sexual orientations,

if you don't say something in the face of other heterosexual people doing that,

egiten duen heterosexualari ezer esango ez bazenio,

ez al litzateke zure isiltasuna modu batean onarpen bat izango?

then, in a sense, isn't your silence a form of consent and complicity?

Well, the bystander approach is trying to give people tools

Lekukoen ikuspegiak tresna bat eskaintzen du

prozesua gelditu eta altsatzeko

to interrupt that process and to speak up and to create a peer culture climate

eta kide kultura klima sortzeko

where the abusive behavior will be seen as unacceptable,

non jokabide erasotzailea ez den onartzen,

ez bakarrik ilegala delako, okerra delako baizik

not just because it's illegal, but because it's wrong

eta onartezina berdinen kulturan.

and unacceptable in the peer culture.

Eta lor badezakegu gizonek

And if we can get to the place where men

modu sexistan jokatzean estatusa galtzea,

who act out in sexist ways will lose status,

young men and boys who act out in sexist

modu sexistan jokatzen duten mutil eta gazteek

and harassing ways towards girls and women,

eta emakumeekiko modu iraingarrian

as well as towards other boys and men,

baita beste mutilekiko ere,

estatusa galtzen badute, badakizue zer?

will lose status as a result of it, guess what?

Erasoen gutxitze radikala ikusiko dugu.

We'll see a radical diminution of the abuse.

Because the typical perpetrator is not sick and twisted.

Erasotzaile ohikoa ez delako gaixo eta zoroa.

Gizon normala baizik, ezta?

He's a normal guy in every other way, isn't he?

Now, among the many great things that Martin Luther King

Orain, Martin Luther Kingek bizitzan esandako gauza bikainenetarikoa:

said in his short life was,

"In the end, what will hurt the most is not the words of our enemies

"Azkenean, min gehien ematen duena

ez dira etsaien hitzak

but the silence of our friends."

lagunen isiltasuna baizik".

Azkenean min gehien ematen dutenak ez dira gure etsaien hitzak,

In the end, what will hurt the most is not the words of our enemies

lagunen isiltasuna baizik.

but the silence of our friends.

There's been an awful lot of silence in male culture

Isiltasun ikaragarria egon da gizonen kulturan

gizonen indarkeria trajiko honen inguruan

about this ongoing tragedy of men's violence

against women and children, hasn't there?

emakume eta haurren aurka, ezta?

There's been an awful lot of silence.

Isiltasun beldurgarria egon da.

Eta esaten dudana da isiltasuna apurtu behar dugula,

And all I'm saying is that we need to break that silence,

and we need more men to do that.

eta horretarako gizon gehiago behar ditugu.

Now, it's easier said than done,

Errezagoa da esatea egitea baino,

because I'm saying it now,

esaten ari natzaizuelako,

but I'm telling you it's not easy in male culture

baina ez da erraza gizonen kulturan gizonek elkarri salatzea,

for guys to challenge each other,

which is one of the reasons

eta paradigma aldatu behar dela erakusten duen arrazoi bat da hori.

why part of the paradigm shift that has to happen

Ez delako gizonen gauzak direla ulertzea bakarrik

is not just understanding these issues as men's issues,

baizik eta gizonen lidergo kontuak.

but they're also leadership issues for men.

Azkenaldian, hitz egitearen erantzukizuna

Because ultimately, the responsibility for taking a stand on these issues

ez litzatekelako jauzi behar eskolako mutil gazteengan

should not fall on the shoulders of little boys

or teenage boys in high school or college men.

edo unibertsitateko mutilengan.

It should be on adult men with power.

Boteredun gizonengan baizik.

Adult men with power are the ones we need to be holding accountable

Gizon boteretsuak dira behar ditugunak

for being leaders on these issues,

kontu hauetan liderrak izateko,

berdinen kulturan norbaitek hitz egitean

because when somebody speaks up in a peer culture

and challenges and interrupts,

eta erronkak jarri eta oztopatzean,

he or she is being a leader, really.

gizon edo emakume, lider bat izaten ari da, ezta?

But on a big scale, we need more adult men with power

Baina eskala handian gizon heldu boteretsu gehiago behar ditugu

to start prioritizing these issues,

kontu hauei lehentasuna emateko,

and we haven't seen that yet, have we?

eta oraindik ez dugu hori ikusi, ezta?

Duela urte batzuk afari batean nengoen,

Now, I was at a dinner a number of years ago,

and I work extensively with the US military, all the services.

askotan egiten dut lan EEBBetako militarrekin, zerbitzu guztiekin.

Afari horretan nengoen eta emakume batek esan zidan --

And I was at this dinner and this woman said to me --

Zena baino azkarragoa zela uste zuela iruditu zitzaidan --

I think she thought she was a little clever --

she said, "So how long have you been doing sensitivity training with the Marines?"

"Zenbat denbora daramazu sentikortasuna entrenatzen marineekin?"

And I said, "With all due respect,

Eta esan nuen: "Errespetu guztiarekin,

ez dut marineen sentikortasuna entrenatzen.

I don't do sensitivity training with the Marines.

Lidergotza programa zuzentzen dut Marine taldean".

I run a leadership program in the Marine Corps."

Now, I know it's a bit pompous, my response,

Badakit nire erantzuna harroa dela,

but it's an important distinction,

baina bereizketa garrantzitsua da ez baitut uste

because I don't believe that what we need is sensitivity training.

behar duguna sentikortasuna entrenatzea denik.

We need leadership training, because, for example,

Lidergotza entrenamendua baizik.

Izan ere, saskibaloi talde bateko entrenatzaile preofesional batek

when a professional coach or a manager of a baseball team or a football team --

edo futboleko batek -eta askotan egiten dut lan eremu horretan ere-

and I work extensively in that realm as well --

komentario sexista egiten badu, homofobikoa, arrazista,

makes a sexist comment, makes a homophobic statement,

makes a racist comment,

there will be discussions on the sports blogs and in sports talk radio.

eztabaidak sortuko dira kirol blog edo irratsaioetan.

Eta batzuek esango dute: "Sentikortasun entrenamendua behar du".

And some people will say, "He needs sensitivity training."

Eta beste batzuek: "Irten hortik.

Other people will say, "Well, get off it.

Politikoki zuzena izatea ahaztu du,

That's political correctness run amok,

eta komentario okerra egin. Ahaztu".

he made a stupid statement, move on."

Diodana da ez duela sentikortasun entrenamendua behar,

My argument is, he doesn't need sensitivity training.

lidergotza entrenamendua baizik,

He needs leadership training,

lider txarra izaten ari delako, gizarte batean

because he's being a bad leader,

because in a society with gender diversity and sexual diversity --

genero eta orientazio aniztasunarekin --

(Applause)

(Txaloak) --

arraza eta etnia aniztasunarekin.

and racial and ethnic diversity,

you make those kind of comments, you're failing at your leadership.

Horrelako komentario batekin lidergotzari huts egiten dio.

Esaten ari naizena helarazi badezakegu

If we can make this point that I'm making

gizarteko gizon eta emakume boteretsuei

to powerful men and women in our society

at all levels of institutional authority and power,

autoritate instituzional maila guztietara,

aldaketa emango da,

it's going to change the paradigm of people's thinking.

aldatu egingo da jendearen pentsaera.

You know, for example,

Esaterako, askotan egiten dut lan

EEBBetako eskola eta unibertsitateetako atletekin.

I work a lot in college and university athletics

throughout North America.

Ondo dakigu nola ekidin etxeko eta sexu indarkeria, ezta?

We know so much about how to prevent domestic and sexual violence, right?

Ez dago aitzakiarik unibertsitate batentzat

There's no excuse for a college or university

indarkeria ekiditeko programarik ez edukitzeko

to not have domestic and sexual violence prevention training

mandated for all student athletes, coaches, administrators,

ikasle, atleta, entrenatzaile eta administratzaile guztientzat,

as part of their educational process.

beraien hezkuntza prozesu gisa.

Nahikoa dakigu jakiteko erraz egin dezakegula.

We know enough to know that we can easily do that.

Baina badakizue zer falta den? Lidergotza.

But you know what's missing? The leadership.

But it's not the leadership of student athletes.

Baina ez atleten lidergotza.

Atleten zuzendarien lidergotza

It's the leadership of the athletic director,

unibertsitateko zuzendariarena, arduradunena,

the president of the university, the people in charge

erabakiak hartzen dituztenena,

who make decisions about resources

instituzioetan erabakitzen dutenena.

and who make decisions about priorities in the institutional settings.

Porrota da, gizonen lidergotzarena gehienetan.

That's a failure, in most cases, of men's leadership.

Begira Penn State.

Look at Penn State.

Penn State is the mother of all teachable moments for the bystander approach.

Penn State da lekukoen ikuspegiaren irakasgai nagusia.

You had so many situations in that realm

Hainbat egoera daude eremu hartan

non gizon boteretsuek porrot egin duten

where men in powerful positions failed to act

to protect children, in this case, boys.

haurrak babesterakoan, mutilak.

Sinestezina da.

It's unbelievable, really.

Baina barruan zaudenean

But when you get into it, you realize there are pressures on men.

ohartzen zara gizonek presioa dutela.

There are constraints within peer cultures on men,

Behartzeak daude gizonengan berdinen kulturan,

which is why we need to encourage men to break through those pressures.

horregatik animatu behar ditugu gizonak

presio horiek hausteko.

And one of the ways to do that is to say

Eta horretarako bide bat da

esatea gizon asko dagoela kontu hauekin kezkatuta.

there's an awful lot of men who care deeply about these issues.

Badakit. Gizonekin dihardut,

I know this, I work with men,

eta milaka gizonekin egin dut lan

and I've been working with tens of thousands,

ehundaka milakarekin hamarkadetan zehar.

hundreds of thousands of men for many decades now.

Beldurra ematen du zenbat urte izan diren pentsatzeak.

It's scary, when you think about it, how many years.

Baina gizon asko dago kontu hauez kezkatzen dena,

But there's so many men who care deeply about these issues,

but caring deeply is not enough.

baina kezkatzea ez da nahiko.

We need more men with the guts,

Gizon ausart gehiago behar ditugu

with the courage, with the strength, with the moral integrity

ausardi, indar eta osotasun moralarekin

to break our complicit silence and challenge each other

isiltasun hau apurtu eta elkarri salatzeko

and stand with women and not against them.

emakumeekin altsatzeko eta ez kontra egiteko.

Emakumeei zor diegu.

By the way, we owe it to women.

There's no question about it.

Ez dago zalantzarik.

Baina gure semeei ere zor diegu.

But we also owe it to our sons.

Hazten ari diren gizonei ere zor diegu,

We also owe it to young men who are growing up all over the world

mundu guztian dauden horiei, aukeratu ez dituzten egoeretan,

in situations where they didn't make the choice

gizonak izan daitezen

to be a man in a culture that tells them that manhood is a certain way.

gizon izateak zerbait esan nahi duen kultura batean.

They didn't make the choice.

Ez zuten aukeratu.

Hautatu dezakegunok aukera bat daukagu

We that have a choice, have an opportunity and a responsibility to them as well.

eta erantzukizun bat ere.

I hope that, going forward, men and women,

Espero dut, aurrera egin ahala, emakume eta gizon,

working together, can begin the change

elkarrekin lanean, aldaketa hasiko dela

and the transformation that will happen

eta eraldaketa hasiko dela

so that future generations won't have the level of tragedy

eta etorkizunean ez dela hainbeste tragedia emango

egun ditugunak bezala.

that we deal with on a daily basis.

Badakit egin dezakegula. Hobeto egin dezakegu.

I know we can do it, we can do better.

Eskerrik asko.

Thank you very much.

(Txaloak)