Jackson Katz: Violence against women—it's a men's issue
ジャクソン・カッツ: ジャクソン・カッツ:女性への暴力―男の問題
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Translator: Joseph Geni
Reviewer: Morton Bast
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翻訳: Mami Kawade
校正: Suzumi Nakamura
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I'm going to share with you
a paradigm-shifting perspective
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これから
ジェンダー・バイオレンス…
つまり 性的暴行 DV
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on the issues of gender violence:
sexual assault, domestic violence,
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セクハラ 性的虐待等の問題への
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relationship abuse, sexual harassment,
sexual abuse of children.
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革新的視点をお見せします
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That whole range of issues
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「ジェンダー・バイオレンス」は
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that I'll refer to in shorthand
as "gender violence issues,"
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総じて こう捉えられてきた
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they've been seen as women's issues
that some good men help out with,
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「善き男性が助けるべき女性の問題」
でも 私は正しいと思えない
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but I have a problem with that frame
and I don't accept it.
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受け入れられない
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I don't see these as women's issues
that some good men help out with.
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「善き男性が助けるべき女性の問題」ではない
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In fact, I'm going to argue
that these are men's issues,
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何よりもまず問題があるのは
男性の方なのです
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first and foremost.
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(拍手)
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Now obviously --
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(Applause)
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Obviously, they're also women's issues,
so I appreciate that,
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女性の問題でもある
それはわかる でもこの問題を
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but calling gender violence
a women's issue is part of the problem,
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女性の問題だと言う事自体
問題の一部なのです
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for a number of reasons.
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The first is that it gives men
an excuse not to pay attention, right?
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まず 男性が気にしなくなる
「女性の問題」と聞けば男は
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A lot of men hear
the term "women's issues"
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それを頭から追い払う
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and we tend to tune it out, and we think,
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「俺は男だ 女の子の問題なんか」とね
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"I'm a guy; that's for the girls,"
or "that's for the women."
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そして 文字通り一歩も先に
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And a lot of men literally don't get
beyond the first sentence as a result.
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進まなくなるのです
まるで「女性の問題」と聞くと―
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It's almost like a chip
in our brain is activated,
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頭の中のチップが神経回路に命じ
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and the neural pathways take
our attention in a different direction
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違う方向を向かせるように
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when we hear the term "women's issues."
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「ジェンダー」と聞いても同じ
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This is also true, by the way,
of the word "gender,"
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そう聞くと 多くの人が
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because a lot of people
hear the word "gender"
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「女性」という意味だと思う
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and they think it means "women."
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「ジェンダーの問題」とは「女性の問題」だと
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So they think that gender issues
is synonymous with women's issues.
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用法が混乱しているのです
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There's some confusion
about the term gender.
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アナロジーでこの混乱を説明します
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And let me illustrate
that confusion by way of analogy.
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人種の話をしましょう
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So let's talk for a moment about race.
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米国で「人種」と聞けば
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In the US, when we hear the word "race,"
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「アフリカ系アメリカ人」
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a lot of people think
that means African-American,
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「ラテン系」「アジア系」「ネイティブ」
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Latino, Asian-American, Native American,
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「南アジア系」「太平洋諸島系」その他だと思う
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South Asian, Pacific Islander, on and on.
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A lot of people, when they hear
the word "sexual orientation"
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「性的指向」と聞けばそれは
「同性愛者」「両性愛者」の事だと思う
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think it means gay, lesbian, bisexual.
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And a lot of people,
when they hear the word "gender,"
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「ジェンダー」と聞けば
それは女性の事
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think it means women.
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In each case, the dominant group
doesn't get paid attention to.
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誰も支配層の事は気にしない
人種的なアイデンティティや
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As if white people don't have
some sort of racial identity
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カテゴリー 概念等白人にはなく
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or belong to some racial
category or construct,
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as if heterosexual people
don't have a sexual orientation,
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異性愛者に性的指向はなく
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as if men don't have a gender.
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男性にジェンダーはないようだ
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This is one of the ways that dominant
systems maintain and reproduce themselves,
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こうして支配のシステムは
維持・再生産されるつまり―
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which is to say the dominant group
is rarely challenged
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安定した支配層は自分の優位に無自覚
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to even think about its dominance,
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権力と特権の特徴とは
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because that's one of the key
characteristics of power and privilege,
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考察の対象にならないという点
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the ability to go unexamined,
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lacking introspection, in fact being
rendered invisible, in large measure,
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内省する事のない不可視の存在である事
私達が抱える主な問題は
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in the discourse about issues
that are primarily about us.
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大体がそうなのです
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And this is amazing how this works
in domestic and sexual violence,
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DVや性暴力でも
見事なほどに
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how men have been largely erased
from so much of the conversation
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男性について語られる事は
ほぼありません
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about a subject
that is centrally about men.
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問題の中心は男性なのに
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And I'm going to illustrate
what I'm talking about
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これから古いやり方で
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by using the old tech.
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説明します
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I'm old school
on some fundamental regards.
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基本的な所では古い人間なので
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I make films and I work with high tech,
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映画作りではハイテクを使います
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but I'm still old school as an educator,
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教師としては旧式です
このエクササイズで分かるのは
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and I want to share with you this exercise
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that illustrates
on the sentence-structure level
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文構造のレベルで
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how the way that we think,
literally the way that we use language,
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私たちの考え方
言葉の選び方が
いかに男性を無視するか
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conspires to keep
our attention off of men.
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This is about domestic
violence in particular,
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エクササイズのテーマはDV
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but you can plug in other analogues.
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でも 他の問題にもあてはめられます
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This comes from the work
of the feminist linguist Julia Penelope.
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言語学者 ペネロープ氏の研究成果です
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It starts with a very basic
English sentence:
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非常に基本的な文があります
「ジョンがメアリーを殴った」
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"John beat Mary."
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That's a good English sentence.
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問題ない英語です
「ジョン」は主語「殴った」は動詞
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John is the subject, beat is the verb,
Mary is the object, good sentence.
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「メアリー」は目的語
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Now we're going to move
to the second sentence,
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次の文に進みましょう
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which says the same thing
in the passive voice.
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同じ事を受動態で言っています
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"Mary was beaten by John."
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「メアリーはジョンに殴られた」という文です こうすると―
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And now a whole lot
has happened in one sentence.
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文はがらりと変わります
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We've gone from "John beat Mary"
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「ジョンは殴った」から
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to "Mary was beaten by John."
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「メアリーは殴られた」へ
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We've shifted our focus
in one sentence from John to Mary,
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焦点がジョンからメアリーになった
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and you can see John is very close
to the end of the sentence,
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ジョンは文末に近づいて
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well, close to dropping
off the map of our psychic plain.
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私達の頭から消えそうです
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The third sentence, John is dropped,
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三番目の文で彼は消えます
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and we have, "Mary was beaten,"
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その文は「メアリーは殴られた」
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and now it's all about Mary.
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主題はメアリーのみ
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We're not even thinking about John,
it's totally focused on Mary.
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ジョンの事は考えもしない
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Over the past generation,
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昔は「殴られた」ではなく
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the term we've used
synonymous with "beaten" is "battered,"
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「ぶちのめされた」と言った
だから こう言える「メアリーがぶちのめされた」
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so we have "Mary was battered."
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And the final sentence in this sequence,
flowing from the others, is,
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これまでのものに続く
最後の文とは
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"Mary is a battered woman."
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「メアリーはぶちのめされる女だ」
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So now Mary's very identity --
Mary is a battered woman --
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「ぶちのめされる女である」という彼女のアイデンティティは
最初の文でジョンにされた事です
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is what was done to her by John
in the first instance.
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そして 彼は話題から消えて久しい
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But we've demonstrated that John
has long ago left the conversation.
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DVや性暴力に関する仕事だと
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Those of us who work
in the domestic and sexual violence field
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被害者を責める傾向があると分かる
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know that victim-blaming
is pervasive in this realm,
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which is to say, blaming the person
to whom something was done
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何かをした人ではなくされた人を
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rather than the person who did it.
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責めるという事です
「何であんな男と出歩くんだ?」
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And we say: why do they
go out with these men?
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「何であんな男がいい?」
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Why are they attracted to them?
Why do they keep going back?
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「何で出て行かない?」「何を着てた?」
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What was she wearing at that party?
What a stupid thing to do.
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「ホテルの部屋で
男たちと飲むなんて何てバカだ」
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Why was she drinking
with those guys in that hotel room?
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被害者を責める理由はいろいろですが
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This is victim blaming,
and there are many reasons for it,
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1つには人間の認識構造は
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but one is that our cognitive structure
is set up to blame victims.
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疑問を抱くよう できている為
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This is all unconscious.
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無意識に問うのです
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Our whole cognitive structure
is set up to ask questions
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女性の事 彼女の選択何をしていたか
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about women and women's choices
and what they're doing, thinking, wearing.
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何を考え何を着ていたかを
「やめろ」とは言いません
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And I'm not going to shout down
people who ask questions about women.
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女性の事を訊いても合法ですから
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It's a legitimate thing to ask.
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でも はっきりさせましょう
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But's let's be clear:
Asking questions about Mary
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それでは暴力は防止できない
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is not going to get us anywhere
in terms of preventing violence.
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違う質問をしなければ
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We have to ask a different
set of questions.
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もう お分かりですね
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The questions are not about Mary,
they're about John.
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メアリーではなくジョンについてです
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They include things like,
why does John beat Mary?
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なぜ ジョンはメアリーを殴るのか?
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Why is domestic violence still a big
problem in the US and all over the world?
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なぜ DVは未だに
世界中で深刻な問題なのか?
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What's going on?
Why do so many men abuse physically,
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何が起きてる?なぜ 男性は
身体 感情 言葉 その他の面で―
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emotionally, verbally, and other ways,
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the women and girls, and the men and boys,
that they claim to love?
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女性や他の男性を虐待する?
愛する人をなぜ?男性に一体何が?
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What's going on with men?
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Why do so many adult men
sexually abuse little girls and boys?
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なぜ 多くの成人男性が子どもに性的虐待を?
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Why is that a common problem
in our society
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なぜ 米国そして世界中で
それが共通の問題に?
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and all over the world today?
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教会やサッカークラブ
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Why do we hear over and over again
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about new scandals erupting
in major institutions
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ボーイスカウト等大きな団体で
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like the Catholic Church
or the Penn State football program
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スキャンダルが次々
出てくるのは一体なぜなのか
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or the Boy Scouts of America,
on and on and on?
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And then local communities
all over the country
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地方でも 国全体でも
常にその話題を耳にします
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and all over the world.
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We hear about it all the time.
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The sexual abuse of children.
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子供への性的虐待です
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What's going on with men?
Why do so many men rape women
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男性に何が?なぜ 多くの男性が
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in our society and around the world?
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世界中で女性を暴行する?
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Why do so many men rape other men?
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あるいは他の男性を?
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What is going on with men?
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男性に一体何が?
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And then what is the role
of the various institutions in our society
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米国のいろいろな慣習がどのようにして
虐待する男性を大流行ばりに
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that are helping to produce
abusive men at pandemic rates?
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作り出すのか
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Because this isn't
about individual perpetrators.
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犯罪者個人ではなく
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That's a naive way to understanding
what is a much deeper
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より根の深い社会制度の問題を
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and more systematic social problem.
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理解する道です
彼らは怪物とは違う
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The perpetrators aren't these monsters
who crawl out of the swamp
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沼から這い出て
町に行き 悪事を行い
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and come into town
and do their nasty business
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and then retreat into the darkness.
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また暗闇に帰るのではない
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That's a very naive notion, right?
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「怪物だ」なんて甘すぎる考えです
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Perpetrators are much more normal
than that, and everyday than that.
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彼らはもっと普通で
平凡な人間です
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So the question is, what are we doing here
in our society and in the world?
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問題は 米国含め世界中での
人の行いです
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What are the roles of various institutions
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いかにして様々な慣習が
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in helping to produce abusive men?
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虐待する男性を作り出すか
宗教の信念体系
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What's the role of religious
belief systems,
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スポーツ ポルノ 家族構造
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the sports culture,
the pornography culture,
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the family structure, economics,
and how that intersects,
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経済等がいかに交わるか
人種や民族は?
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and race and ethnicity
and how that intersects?
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どんな仕組みなのか
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How does all this work?
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And then, once we start making
those kinds of connections
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それらの要素を組み合わせ
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and asking those important
and big questions,
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重大な問題に目をやれば
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then we can talk about
how we can be transformative,
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どうすれば変われるのかを語れる
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in other words, how can we do
something differently?
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やり方を変え
しきたりを変え
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How can we change the practices?
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07:03
How can we change
the socialization of boys
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現状を引き起こす―
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and the definitions of manhood
that lead to these current outcomes?
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少年の社会化や「男らしさ」を変えるには?
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These are the kind of questions
that we need to be asking
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疑問に思わねばならない事
やるべき事は多い
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and the kind of work
that we need to be doing,
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いつまでも女性の行動や
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but if we're endlessly focused
on what women are doing and thinking
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対人関係にこだわっていては
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in relationships or elsewhere,
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we're not going to get to that piece.
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そこにはたどり着けない
今まで多くの女性が
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I understand that a lot of women
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who have been trying to speak out
about these issues,
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これらの問題について
発言しようとしそのせいで
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today and yesterday
and for years and years,
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often get shouted down for their efforts.
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黙らされてきた
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They get called nasty names
like "male-basher" and "man-hater,"
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そして不快なあだ名をつけられた
「男性叩き」「男嫌い」
汚らわしく 攻撃的な「フェミナチ」に至るまで
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and the disgusting
and offensive "feminazi", right?
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この現象は何か?
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And you know what all this is about?
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07:43
It's called kill the messenger.
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「使者殺し」です
女性が立ち上がり
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It's because the women who are standing up
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自分 他の女性 男性 少年の為
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and speaking out for themselves
and for other women
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発言すれば 彼女らはこう言われる
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as well as for men and boys,
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07:52
it's a statement to them
to sit down and shut up,
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「座って黙れ今の制度を続けるんだ」
07:54
keep the current system in place,
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人は波風を立てて
07:56
because we don't like it
when people rock the boat.
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権力に挑む者を嫌う
07:58
We don't like it when people
challenge our power.
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基本的には黙って座った方がいい
08:01
You'd better sit
down and shut up, basically.
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幸い 女性はそうしなかった
08:03
And thank goodness
that women haven't done that.
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幸い 世界では
08:05
Thank goodness that we live in a world
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多くの女性リーダーが立ち向かっている
08:07
where there's so much women's leadership
that can counteract that.
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男性にできる重大な事とは
08:10
But one of the powerful roles
that men can play in this work
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女性が言えない事を
08:13
is that we can say some things
that sometimes women can't say,
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言う事ができる事
女性が言えば無視されても
08:16
or, better yet, we can be heard
saying some things
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男性が言えば 人は聞く
08:18
that women often can't be heard saying.
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それは性差別主義という問題ですが
08:20
Now, I appreciate that that's a problem,
it's sexism, but it's the truth.
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実際 あります私達はいつも―
08:24
So one of the things that I say to men,
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男性にこう言う
08:26
and my colleagues and I always say this,
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「もっと多くの男性が
08:28
is we need more men
who have the courage and the strength
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立ち上がり 発言し
08:30
to start standing up and saying
some of this stuff,
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女性に寄り添わなければ」
08:33
and standing with women
and not against them
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「男対女の戦いだと
08:35
and pretending that somehow
this is a battle between the sexes
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馬鹿を言って対抗するのではなく」
共に生きるのだから
08:38
and other kinds of nonsense.
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08:39
We live in the world together.
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ところで本当に頭が痛いのが―
08:41
And by the way, one of the things
that really bothers me
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女性の暴力被害やレイプに反対する
08:43
about some of the rhetoric
against feminists and others
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運動を行ってきた
フェミニスト等がどういう訳か
08:46
who have built the battered women's
and rape crisis movements around the world
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反男性的と言われる事です
08:50
is that somehow, like I said,
that they're anti-male.
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大人の男に自分や母親 妹や姉が―
08:52
What about all the boys who are profoundly
affected in a negative way
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酷い目に遭わされ
悪影響を受ける少年はどうなります?
08:56
by what some adult man is doing against
their mother, themselves, their sisters?
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数に入らないのですか?
08:59
What about all those boys?
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09:01
What about all the young men and boys
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大人の男の暴力に
09:02
who have been traumatized
by adult men's violence?
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心の傷を負った少年や若者は?
同じシステムが
09:05
You know what?
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09:06
The same system that produces
men who abuse women,
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男性を虐待する男性も産むのです
09:08
produces men who abuse other men.
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男性被害者について
09:10
And if we want to talk about male victims,
let's talk about male victims.
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話しましょう
男性の暴力被害の大半で加害者は男性です
09:14
Most male victims of violence
are the victims of other men's violence.
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男女共通して言えるのは
09:17
So that's something that both women
and men have in common.
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加害者は男性だという事
09:20
We are both victims of men's violence.
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私の知る男性の大半に
09:22
So we have it in our direct self-interest,
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家族 友人等大事な女性がいますが
09:24
not to mention the fact
that most men that I know
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彼女たちだけでなく
09:26
have women and girls
that we care deeply about,
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男性に直接関わってくるわけです
09:28
in our families and our friendship
circles and every other way.
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09:31
So there's so many reasons
why we need men to speak out.
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男性が発言すべき理由は多い
09:34
It seems obvious saying it
out loud, doesn't it?
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それは明らかですそうでしょう?
09:37
Now, the nature of the work
that I do and my colleagues do
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スポーツ 米軍 学校で私と仲間達が
09:41
in the sports culture
and the US military, in schools,
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行なっているのはジェンダー・バイオレンスの―
09:45
we pioneered this approach
called the bystander approach
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防止に向けて開発した
09:47
to gender-violence prevention.
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「傍観者アプローチ」です
09:49
And I just want to give you
the highlights of the bystander approach,
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大事な部分をお話しします
テーマを大幅に転換する試みだからです
09:53
because it's a big thematic shift,
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09:55
although there's lots of particulars,
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様々な例がありますが
09:57
but the heart of it is,
instead of seeing men as perpetrators
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核となるのは男性が加害者
10:00
and women as victims,
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女性が被害者
10:02
or women as perpetrators, men as victims,
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または女性が加害者で男性が被害者 と
10:05
or any combination in there.
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考えるのをやめる事
10:07
I'm using the gender binary.
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「男」「女」と言いましたが
10:08
I know there's more than men and women,
there's more than male and female.
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男女以外のジェンダーもある
女性が加害者で
10:12
And there are women who are perpetrators,
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男性が被害を受ける事も
10:14
and of course there are
men who are victims.
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何でもあり得る
10:16
There's a whole spectrum.
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二分法で物を見るのをやめ
10:17
But instead of seeing it
in the binary fashion,
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全ての人を傍観者とみなします
10:19
we focus on all of us
as what we call bystanders,
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傍観者とはある状況下で
10:22
and a bystander is defined as anybody
who is not a perpetrator or a victim
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加害者でも被害者でもない人です
10:26
in a given situation,
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10:27
so in other words friends, teammates,
colleagues, coworkers, family members,
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友人 チームメイト 同僚
仕事仲間 家族―
10:32
those of us who are not directly
involved in a dyad of abuse,
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虐待の被害と加害に直接 関係がない
10:35
but we are embedded in social,
family, work, school,
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でも 社会 家庭 学校等の一員として
虐待の関係者らしい人と
10:39
and other peer culture relationships
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10:41
with people who might be
in that situation.
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関わりがあったらどうする?
10:43
What do we do? How do we speak up?
How do we challenge our friends?
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いかに声を上げ友人に挑み
手を差し伸べる?どうすれば―
10:46
How do we support our friends?
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10:47
But how do we not remain silent
in the face of abuse?
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虐待に直面し黙らずにいられる?
10:50
Now, when it comes
to men and male culture,
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男性文化では目標は―
虐待しない男を連れて来て
10:53
the goal is to get men who are not abusive
to challenge men who are.
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する男と対決させる
10:56
And when I say abusive, I don't mean just
men who are beating women.
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虐待すると言っても女性を―
殴る男だけじゃない
10:59
We're not just saying a man whose friend
is abusing his girlfriend
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友人が恋人を虐待していたら
その場で止めねばならない
11:04
needs to stop the guy
at the moment of attack.
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それだけではない
11:07
That's a naive way
of creating a social change.
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これで社会を変えようというのは甘い
11:11
It's along a continuum, we're trying
to get men to interrupt each other.
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そうなる前から 男性がお互いに
口を挟むようにさせたい
11:15
So, for example, if you're a guy
and you're in a group of guys
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例えばあなたは男性で
11:18
playing poker, talking, hanging out,
no women present,
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男だけで遊び 話し 出かける
11:21
and another guy says something sexist
or degrading or harassing about women,
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すると 別の男が性差別的
あるいは―
女性を貶めるような事を言う
一緒に笑う?
聞こえないふりをする?
11:28
instead of laughing along
or pretending you didn't hear it,
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11:30
we need men to say,
"Hey, that's not funny.
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代わりに言ってほしい
「笑えないね
妹の事を思うとさ」
11:33
that could be my sister
you're talking about,
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「違う冗談言えない?」
11:35
and could you joke about something else?
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「他の事 話すとかさ」
11:37
Or could you talk about something else?
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「こういうのダメなんだ」
11:39
I don't appreciate that kind of talk."
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あなたが白人で
別の白人が―
11:41
Just like if you're a white person
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11:42
and another white person makes
a racist comment, you'd hope, I hope,
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人種差別的発言をしたら
仲間の白人による差別発言を
別の白人に
11:45
that white people would interrupt
that racist enactment
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11:48
by a fellow white person.
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遮ってほしいと思う
11:49
Just like with heterosexism,
if you're a heterosexual person
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あなたが異性愛者で
様々な性的指向を持つ人に
対し
11:52
and you yourself don't enact
harassing or abusive behaviors
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11:55
towards people of varying
sexual orientations,
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自分は嫌がらせをしないが
11:57
if you don't say something in the face
of other heterosexual people doing that,
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している異性愛者に
何も言わないなら
ある意味
その沈黙は
12:01
then, in a sense, isn't your silence
a form of consent and complicity?
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同意し 加担するのと
同じでは?
12:04
Well, the bystander approach
is trying to give people tools
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傍観者アプローチでは
人々に
このプロセスを断ち
声を上げ
12:07
to interrupt that process and to speak up
and to create a peer culture climate
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対等な文化を作らせる
12:11
where the abusive behavior
will be seen as unacceptable,
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そこでは
人を傷つける行動は
法に反するだけでなく
間違っていて
12:14
not just because it's illegal,
but because it's wrong
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12:17
and unacceptable in the peer culture.
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受け入れられないのです
12:19
And if we can get to the place where men
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もし 性差別的な男性が
12:21
who act out in sexist ways
will lose status,
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地位を失うようになれば?
12:23
young men and boys who act out in sexist
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女性に対し
性差別的で
12:25
and harassing ways
towards girls and women,
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他の男の子や男性にも
12:27
as well as towards other boys and men,
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態度の悪い少年や若者が
12:29
will lose status
as a result of it, guess what?
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そのせいで立場を失う
ようになれば?
12:32
We'll see a radical
diminution of the abuse.
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虐待は格段に減るでしょう
12:35
Because the typical perpetrator
is not sick and twisted.
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加害者は病気や
天邪鬼ではない
虐待する以外は普通なんです
12:38
He's a normal guy
in every other way, isn't he?
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12:40
Now, among the many great
things that Martin Luther King
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キング牧師が短い生涯で残した
12:44
said in his short life was,
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名言の一つが―
12:45
"In the end, what will hurt the most
is not the words of our enemies
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「結局一番傷つくのは
敵の言う事ではなく
12:49
but the silence of our friends."
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友の沈黙である」
その通り 一番傷つくのは
12:51
In the end, what will hurt the most
is not the words of our enemies
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敵の言葉でなく 友の沈黙です
12:54
but the silence of our friends.
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12:55
There's been an awful lot
of silence in male culture
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女性や子供への男性の暴力
この現在進行形の悲劇に対し
12:58
about this ongoing tragedy
of men's violence
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13:00
against women and children, hasn't there?
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男性文化は沈黙してきた
13:02
There's been an awful lot of silence.
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何も発言しなかった
この沈黙を破らねばなりません
13:04
And all I'm saying is that we need
to break that silence,
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13:07
and we need more men to do that.
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それももっと多くの男性が
13:09
Now, it's easier said than done,
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ですが言うほど
簡単ではありません
13:12
because I'm saying it now,
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「破らねば」と言いましたが
13:14
but I'm telling you
it's not easy in male culture
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男性文化で他の男性への挑戦が‐
13:16
for guys to challenge each other,
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1901
13:18
which is one of the reasons
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難しい事もあり
男性の問題である
だけでなく
13:21
why part of the paradigm shift
that has to happen
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誰が主導権を握るかの問題だ
という
13:23
is not just understanding
these issues as men's issues,
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パラダイムの転換が必要です
13:26
but they're also
leadership issues for men.
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立場をはっきりさせる責任を
13:28
Because ultimately, the responsibility
for taking a stand on these issues
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最終的に 幼い男の子や
13:31
should not fall
on the shoulders of little boys
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高校生 大学生には
負わせられない
13:33
or teenage boys in high school
or college men.
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力を持った 大人の男性でなければ
13:36
It should be on adult men with power.
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1945
13:38
Adult men with power are the ones
we need to be holding accountable
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問題対策のリーダーとして
13:41
for being leaders on these issues,
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責任を持ってもらわねば
仲間文化で誰かが声を上げ
13:43
because when somebody
speaks up in a peer culture
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13:45
and challenges and interrupts,
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仲間に挑み 割って入るとしたら
13:47
he or she is being a leader, really.
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その人はリーダーでしょう?
13:50
But on a big scale,
we need more adult men with power
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大局的には
有力な大人の男性がもっと
13:53
to start prioritizing these issues,
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優先的に取り組まねば
13:55
and we haven't seen that yet, have we?
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しかし 現状は違います
ずっと昔 米国の陸海空軍
全部を相手に
13:58
Now, I was at a dinner
a number of years ago,
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14:01
and I work extensively
with the US military, all the services.
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取り組んでいた頃ですが
夕食の席で
ある女性に言われました
14:05
And I was at this dinner
and this woman said to me --
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自分を賢いと思っていたのか
14:08
I think she thought
she was a little clever --
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14:10
she said, "So how long have you been doing
sensitivity training with the Marines?"
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「どれぐらい 海軍に感受性訓練を?」
と訊いてきました
14:15
And I said, "With all due respect,
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「失礼ですが
感受性訓練を‐
14:18
I don't do sensitivity training
with the Marines.
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海軍にするのではなく
海兵隊で‐
リーダーシップを教えてます」
14:21
I run a leadership program
in the Marine Corps."
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14:23
Now, I know it's a bit
pompous, my response,
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感じの悪い答え方ですが
14:25
but it's an important distinction,
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重要な違いです
必要なのは
14:27
because I don't believe
that what we need is sensitivity training.
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感受性訓練ではなく
14:30
We need leadership training,
because, for example,
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リーダーシップの訓練です
スポーツの世界でも
仕事をしますが
14:33
when a professional coach or a manager
of a baseball team or a football team --
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3766
プロの野球やサッカーの監督らが
14:36
and I work extensively
in that realm as well --
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2306
性差別的 同性愛嫌悪的
人種差別的な
14:39
makes a sexist comment,
makes a homophobic statement,
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3203
14:42
makes a racist comment,
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発言をすれば ブログや
14:43
there will be discussions on the sports
blogs and in sports talk radio.
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ラジオで議論が起こる
14:47
And some people will say,
"He needs sensitivity training."
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「感受性訓練が必要だ」と
言う人も
「放っておけ」と言う人も
14:50
Other people will say, "Well, get off it.
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「差別語禁止の行き過ぎだ」
14:52
That's political correctness run amok,
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「馬鹿な発言だが 引きずるな」
14:54
he made a stupid statement, move on."
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私の意見では
必要なのは
14:56
My argument is, he doesn't need
sensitivity training.
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リーダーシップの訓練です
14:58
He needs leadership training,
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発言者は酷いリーダーだから
15:00
because he's being a bad leader,
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15:01
because in a society with gender diversity
and sexual diversity --
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ジェンダーやセクシュアリティ‐
15:04
(Applause)
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(拍手)
人種 民族が多様な社会で
15:06
and racial and ethnic diversity,
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15:07
you make those kind of comments,
you're failing at your leadership.
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その発言?
リーダー失格です
私が行っているこの主張を
15:10
If we can make this point that I'm making
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あらゆるレベルの
権威 権力を持つ
15:13
to powerful men and women in our society
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15:15
at all levels of institutional
authority and power,
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有力な男女に皆で主張できれば
15:18
it's going to change
the paradigm of people's thinking.
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事態は変化します
人の考え方は変わります
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You know, for example,
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例えば私は
15:24
I work a lot in college
and university athletics
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北米のあちこちの大学の
スポーツチームと働いている
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throughout North America.
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DVや性暴力を防ぐ方法は
15:29
We know so much about how to prevent
domestic and sexual violence, right?
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良く知られている
教育プロセスの一環として
15:33
There's no excuse
for a college or university
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15:36
to not have domestic and sexual
violence prevention training
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全ての選手 コーチ 管理者の為に
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mandated for all student athletes,
coaches, administrators,
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義務付けられた防止訓練を
15:41
as part of their educational process.
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しなくていい理由はない
簡単にできる事です
15:44
We know enough to know
that we can easily do that.
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15:46
But you know what's missing?
The leadership.
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でも リーダーシップが足りない
15:48
But it's not the leadership
of student athletes.
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学生選手ではなく
チームの監督や
15:51
It's the leadership
of the athletic director,
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大学の学長等の責任者
15:53
the president of the university,
the people in charge
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資金 組織内の優先順位を
15:55
who make decisions about resources
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決める人々に
リーダーシップがない
15:57
and who make decisions about priorities
in the institutional settings.
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ほとんどの場合
「リーダー」は男性です
16:00
That's a failure, in most cases,
of men's leadership.
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16:03
Look at Penn State.
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ペンシルバニア州立大では
16:04
Penn State is the mother of all teachable
moments for the bystander approach.
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アプローチのお手本が生まれた
16:08
You had so many situations in that realm
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有力な立場にある男性達が
16:11
where men in powerful
positions failed to act
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子供達 この場合 少年達を
守れなかった
16:14
to protect children, in this case, boys.
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例は信じ難いほど多い
16:17
It's unbelievable, really.
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足を踏み入れれば分かります
16:18
But when you get into it,
you realize there are pressures on men.
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男性にかけられた圧力が
16:21
There are constraints
within peer cultures on men,
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男性は
仲間文化で制約を受けるので
16:24
which is why we need to encourage men
to break through those pressures.
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その圧力を突き破るよう
働きかける必要がある
16:28
And one of the ways to do that is to say
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例えば こう言う
「大勢の男性が
この問題に懸念を抱く」
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there's an awful lot of men
who care deeply about these issues.
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本当なんです
16:33
I know this, I work with men,
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何万人 何十万人という
16:35
and I've been working
with tens of thousands,
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男性と
何十年も働いていると分かる
16:37
hundreds of thousands of men
for many decades now.
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そんなに経つなんて
ぞっとしますね
16:39
It's scary, when you think
about it, how many years.
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懸念を抱いている男性は
大勢いるんです
16:42
But there's so many men
who care deeply about these issues,
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16:45
but caring deeply is not enough.
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ですが「懸念」では足りない
16:47
We need more men with the guts,
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もっと多くの―
16:50
with the courage, with the strength,
with the moral integrity
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根性 勇気 力 モラルを
備えた男性に
16:53
to break our complicit silence
and challenge each other
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共犯者の沈黙を破り
仲間に挑んでもらわねば
16:57
and stand with women and not against them.
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女性の敵でなく 味方として
これは
女性に果たすべき義務です
17:00
By the way, we owe it to women.
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17:01
There's no question about it.
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疑問の余地はない
息子達への義務でもある
17:03
But we also owe it to our sons.
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選んだわけではないのに
17:05
We also owe it to young men
who are growing up all over the world
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「男としてのあり方」を
押し付ける
17:08
in situations where they didn't
make the choice
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そんな文化で育つ世界中の―
17:10
to be a man in a culture that tells them
that manhood is a certain way.
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若者達への義務でもある
17:13
They didn't make the choice.
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彼らの選択ではない
我々大人は選択する事ができる
機会があり
17:15
We that have a choice, have an opportunity
and a responsibility to them as well.
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彼らに対する義務がある
17:20
I hope that, going forward, men and women,
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願わくば この動きが前進し
17:23
working together, can begin the change
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共に問題に取り組む男女が
17:25
and the transformation that will happen
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変化を起こせるように
17:27
so that future generations
won't have the level of tragedy
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今は毎日起きている悲劇を
この先 なくせるように
17:30
that we deal with on a daily basis.
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事態の改善は可能なのです
17:32
I know we can do it, we can do better.
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ご清聴ありがとうございました
(拍手)
17:34
Thank you very much.
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