Jonathan Haidt: The moral roots of liberals and conservatives

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Suppose that two American friends are traveling together in Italy.
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They go to see Michelangelo's "David,"
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and when they finally come face-to-face with the statue,
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they both freeze dead in their tracks.
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The first guy -- we'll call him Adam --
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is transfixed by the beauty of the perfect human form.
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The second guy -- we'll call him Bill --
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is transfixed by embarrassment, at staring at the thing there in the center.
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So here's my question for you:
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Which one of these two guys was more likely to have voted for George Bush,
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which for Al Gore?
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I don't need a show of hands,
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because we all have the same political stereotypes.
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We all know that it's Bill.
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And in this case, the stereotype corresponds to reality.
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It really is a fact that liberals are much higher than conservatives
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on a major personality trait called openness to experience.
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People who are high in openness to experience
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just crave novelty, variety, diversity, new ideas, travel.
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People low on it like things that are familiar,
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that are safe and dependable.
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If you know about this trait,
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you can understand a lot of puzzles about human behavior,
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like why artists are so different from accountants.
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You can predict what kinds of books they like to read,
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what kinds of places they like to travel to
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and what kinds of food they like to eat.
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Once you understand this trait,
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you can understand why anybody would eat at Applebee's,
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but not anybody that you know.
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(Laughter)
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This trait also tells us a lot about politics.
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The main researcher of this trait, Robert McCrae,
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says that "Open individuals have an affinity
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for liberal, progressive, left-wing political views ..."
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They like a society which is open and changing,
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"... whereas closed individuals prefer
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conservative, traditional, right-wing views."
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This trait also tells us a lot about the kinds of groups people join.
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Here's the description of a group I found on the web.
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What kinds of people would join
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"a global community ... welcoming people from every discipline and culture,
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who seek a deeper understanding of the world,
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and who hope to turn that understanding into a better future for us all"?
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This is from some guy named Ted.
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Well, let's see now.
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If openness predicts who becomes liberal,
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and openness predicts who becomes a TEDster,
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then might we predict that most TEDsters are liberal?
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Let's find out.
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I'll ask you to raise your hand, whether you are liberal, left of center --
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on social issues, primarily --
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or conservative.
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And I'll give a third option,
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because I know there are libertarians in the audience.
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So please raise your hand -- in the simulcast rooms too.
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Let's let everybody see who's here.
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Please raise your hand if you'd say that you're liberal or left of center.
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Please raise your hand high right now. OK.
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Please raise your hand if you'd say you're libertarian.
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OK. About two dozen.
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And please raise your hand if you'd say you are right of center or conservative.
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One, two, three, four, five -- about eight or 10.
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OK.
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This is a bit of a problem.
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Because if our goal is to seek a deeper understanding of the world,
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our general lack of moral diversity here is going to make it harder.
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Because when people all share values, when people all share morals,
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they become a team.
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And once you engage the psychology of teams,
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it shuts down open-minded thinking.
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When the liberal team loses,
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[United States of Canada / Jesusland]
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as it did in 2004, and as it almost did in 2000,
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we comfort ourselves.
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(Laughter)
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We try to explain why half of America voted for the other team.
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We think they must be blinded by religion
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[Post-election US map: America / Dumbf*ckistan]
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or by simple stupidity.
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(Laughter)
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(Applause)
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(Laughter)
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So if you think that half of America votes Republican
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because they are blinded in this way,
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then my message to you is that you're trapped in a moral Matrix,
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in a particular moral Matrix.
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And by "the Matrix," I mean literally the Matrix, like the movie "The Matrix."
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But I'm here today to give you a choice.
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You can either take the blue pill and stick to your comforting delusions,
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or you can take the red pill,
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learn some moral psychology
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and step outside the moral Matrix.
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Now, because I know --
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(Applause)
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I assume that answers my question.
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I was going to ask which one you picked, but no need.
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You're all high in openness to experience,
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and it looks like it might even taste good, and you're all epicures.
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Anyway, let's go with the red pill, study some moral psychology
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and see where it takes us.
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Let's start at the beginning: What is morality, where does it come from?
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The worst idea in all of psychology
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is the idea that the mind is a blank slate at birth.
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Developmental psychology has shown that kids come into the world
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already knowing so much about the physical and social worlds
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and programmed to make it really easy for them to learn certain things
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and hard to learn others.
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The best definition of innateness I've seen,
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which clarifies so many things for me,
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is from the brain scientist Gary Marcus.
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He says, "The initial organization of the brain
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does not depend that much on experience.
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Nature provides a first draft, which experience then revises.
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'Built-in' doesn't mean unmalleable;
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it means organized in advance of experience."
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OK, so what's on the first draft of the moral mind?
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To find out, my colleague Craig Joseph and I read through the literature
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on anthropology, on culture variation in morality
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and also on evolutionary psychology,
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looking for matches:
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What sorts of things do people talk about across disciplines
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that you find across cultures and even species?
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We found five best matches, which we call the five foundations of morality.
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The first one is harm/care.
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We're all mammals here, we all have a lot of neural and hormonal programming
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that makes us really bond with others, care for others,
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feel compassion for others, especially the weak and vulnerable.
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It gives us very strong feelings about those who cause harm.
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This moral foundation underlies about 70 percent
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of the moral statements I've heard here at TED.
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The second foundation is fairness/reciprocity.
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There's actually ambiguous evidence
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as to whether you find reciprocity in other animals,
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but the evidence for people could not be clearer.
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This Norman Rockwell painting is called "The Golden Rule" --
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as we heard from Karen Armstrong, it's the foundation of many religions.
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That second foundation underlies the other 30 percent
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of the moral statements I've heard here at TED.
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The third foundation is in-group/loyalty.
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You do find cooperative groups in the animal kingdom,
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but these groups are always either very small or they're all siblings.
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It's only among humans that you find very large groups of people
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who are able to cooperate and join together into groups,
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but in this case, groups that are united to fight other groups.
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This probably comes from our long history of tribal living, of tribal psychology.
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And this tribal psychology is so deeply pleasurable
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that even when we don't have tribes, we go ahead and make them,
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because it's fun.
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(Laughter)
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Sports is to war as pornography is to sex.
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We get to exercise some ancient drives.
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The fourth foundation is authority/respect.
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Here you see submissive gestures
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from two members of very closely related species.
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But authority in humans is not so closely based on power and brutality
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as it is in other primates.
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It's based on more voluntary deference and even elements of love, at times.
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The fifth foundation is purity/sanctity.
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This painting is called "The Allegory Of Chastity,"
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but purity is not just about suppressing female sexuality.
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It's about any kind of ideology, any kind of idea
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that tells you that you can attain virtue by controlling what you do with your body
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and what you put into your body.
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And while the political right may moralize sex much more,
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the political left is doing a lot of it with food.
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Food is becoming extremely moralized nowadays.
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A lot of it is ideas about purity,
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about what you're willing to touch or put into your body.
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I believe these are the five best candidates
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for what's written on the first draft of the moral mind.
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I think this is what we come with, a preparedness to learn all these things.
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But as my son Max grows up in a liberal college town,
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how is this first draft going to get revised?
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And how will it end up being different
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from a kid born 60 miles south of us, in Lynchburg, Virginia?
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To think about culture variation, let's try a different metaphor.
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If there really are five systems at work in the mind,
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five sources of intuitions and emotions,
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then we can think of the moral mind as one of those audio equalizers
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that has five channels,
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where you can set it to a different setting on every channel.
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My colleagues Brian Nosek and Jesse Graham and I
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made a questionnaire, which we put up on the web at www.YourMorals.org.
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And so far, 30,000 people have taken this questionnaire, and you can, too.
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Here are the results from about 23,000 American citizens.
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On the left are the scores for liberals;
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on the right, conservatives; in the middle, moderates.
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The blue line shows people's responses on the average of all the harm questions.
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So as you see, people care about harm and care issues.
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They highly endorse these sorts of statements all across the board,
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but as you also see,
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liberals care about it a little more than conservatives; the line slopes down.
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Same story for fairness.
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But look at the other three lines.
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For liberals, the scores are very low.
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They're basically saying, "This is not morality.
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In-group, authority, purity -- this has nothing to do with morality. I reject it."
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But as people get more conservative, the values rise.
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We can say liberals have a two-channel or two-foundation morality.
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Conservatives have more of a five-foundation,
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or five-channel morality.
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We find this in every country we look at.
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Here's the data for 1,100 Canadians. I'll flip through a few other slides.
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The UK, Australia, New Zealand, Western Europe, Eastern Europe,
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Latin America, the Middle East, East Asia and South Asia.
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Notice also that on all of these graphs,
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the slope is steeper on in-group, authority, purity,
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which shows that, within any country,
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the disagreement isn't over harm and fairness.
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I mean, we debate over what's fair,
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but everybody agrees that harm and fairness matter.
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Moral arguments within cultures
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are especially about issues of in-group, authority, purity.
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This effect is so robust, we find it no matter how we ask the question.
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In a recent study, we asked people,
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suppose you're about to get a dog,
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you picked a particular breed, learned about the breed.
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Suppose you learn that this particular breed is independent-minded
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and relates to its owner as a friend and an equal.
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If you're a liberal, you say, "That's great!"
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because liberals like to say, "Fetch! Please."
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(Laughter)
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But if you're a conservative, that's not so attractive.
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If you're conservative and learn that a dog's extremely loyal
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to its home and family
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and doesn't warm up to strangers,
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for conservatives, loyalty is good; dogs ought to be loyal.
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But to a liberal,
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it sounds like this dog is running for the Republican nomination.
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(Laughter)
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You might say, OK, there are differences between liberals and conservatives,
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but what makes the three other foundations moral?
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Aren't they the foundations of xenophobia, authoritarianism and puritanism?
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What makes them moral?
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The answer, I think, is contained in this incredible triptych from Hieronymus Bosch,
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"The Garden of Earthly Delights."
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In the first panel, we see the moment of creation.
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All is ordered, all is beautiful,
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all the people and animals are doing what they're supposed to be doing,
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are where they're supposed to be.
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But then, given the way of the world, things change.
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We get every person doing whatever he wants,
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with every aperture of every other person and every other animal.
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Some of you might recognize this as the '60s.
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(Laughter)
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But the '60s inevitably gives way to the '70s,
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where the cuttings of the apertures hurt a little bit more.
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Of course, Bosch called this hell.
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So this triptych, these three panels,
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portray the timeless truth that order tends to decay.
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The truth of social entropy.
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But lest you think this is just some part of the Christian imagination
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where Christians have this weird problem with pleasure,
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here's the same story, the same progression,
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told in a paper that was published in "Nature" a few years ago,
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in which Ernst Fehr and Simon Gächter had people play a commons dilemma,
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a game in which you give people money,
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and then, on each round of the game,
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they can put money into a common pot,
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then the experimenter doubles what's there,
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and then it's all divided among the players.
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So it's a nice analog for all sorts of environmental issues,
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where we're asking people to make a sacrifice
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and they don't really benefit from their own sacrifice.
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You really want everybody else to sacrifice,
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but everybody has a temptation to free ride.
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What happens is that, at first, people start off reasonably cooperative.
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This is all played anonymously.
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On the first round, people give about half of the money that they can.
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But they quickly see other people aren't doing so much.
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"I don't want to be a sucker. I won't cooperate."
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So cooperation quickly decays
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from reasonably good down to close to zero.
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But then -- and here's the trick --
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Fehr and Gächter, on the seventh round, told people,
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"You know what? New rule.
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If you want to give some of your own money
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to punish people who aren't contributing,
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you can do that."
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And as soon as people heard about the punishment issue going on,
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cooperation shoots up.
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It shoots up and it keeps going up.
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Lots of research shows that to solve cooperative problems, it really helps.
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It's not enough to appeal to people's good motives.
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It helps to have some sort of punishment.
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Even if it's just shame or embarrassment or gossip,
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you need some sort of punishment
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to bring people, when they're in large groups, to cooperate.
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There's even some recent research suggesting that religion --
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priming God, making people think about God --
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often, in some situations, leads to more cooperative, more pro-social behavior.
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Some people think that religion is an adaptation
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evolved both by cultural and biological evolution
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to make groups to cohere,
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in part for the purpose of trusting each other
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and being more effective at competing with other groups.
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That's probably right, although this is a controversial issue.
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But I'm particularly interested in religion and the origin of religion
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and in what it does to us and for us,
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because I think the greatest wonder in the world is not the Grand Canyon.
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The Grand Canyon is really simple --
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a lot of rock and a lot of water and wind and a lot of time,
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and you get the Grand Canyon.
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It's not that complicated.
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This is what's complicated:
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that people lived in places like the Grand Canyon, cooperating with each other,
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or on the savannahs of Africa or the frozen shores of Alaska.
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And some of these villages grew into the mighty cities of Babylon
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and Rome and Tenochtitlan.
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How did this happen?
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It's an absolute miracle, much harder to explain than the Grand Canyon.
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The answer, I think, is that they used every tool in the toolbox.
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It took all of our moral psychology to create these cooperative groups.
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Yes, you need to be concerned about harm, you need a psychology of justice.
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But it helps to organize a group if you have subgroups,
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and if those subgroups have some internal structure,
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and if you have some ideology that tells people
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to suppress their carnality -- to pursue higher, nobler ends.
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Now we get to the crux of the disagreement between liberals and conservatives:
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liberals reject three of these foundations.
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They say, "Let's celebrate diversity, not common in-group membership,"
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and, "Let's question authority," and, "Keep your laws off my body."
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Liberals have very noble motives for doing this.
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Traditional authority and morality can be quite repressive and restrictive
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to those at the bottom, to women, to people who don't fit in.
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Liberals speak for the weak and oppressed.
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They want change and justice, even at the risk of chaos.
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This shirt says, "Stop bitching, start a revolution."
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If you're high in openness to experience, revolution is good; it's change, it's fun.
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Conservatives, on the other hand, speak for institutions and traditions.
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They want order, even at some cost, to those at the bottom.
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The great conservative insight is that order is really hard to achieve.
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It's precious, and it's really easy to lose.
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So as Edmund Burke said, "The restraints on men,
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as well as their liberties, are to be reckoned among their rights."
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This was after the chaos of the French Revolution.
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Once you see that liberals and conservatives
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both have something to contribute,
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that they form a balance on change versus stability,
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then I think the way is open to step outside the moral Matrix.
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This is the great insight
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that all the Asian religions have attained.
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Think about yin and yang.
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Yin and yang aren't enemies; they don't hate each other.
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Yin and yang are both necessary, like night and day,
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for the functioning of the world.
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You find the same thing in Hinduism.
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There are many high gods in Hinduism.
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Two of them are Vishnu, the preserver, and Shiva, the destroyer.
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This image, actually, is both of those gods
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sharing the same body.
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You have the markings of Vishnu on the left,
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so we could think of Vishnu as the conservative god.
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You have the markings of Shiva on the right -- Shiva's the liberal god.
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And they work together.
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You find the same thing in Buddhism.
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These two stanzas contain, I think, the deepest insights
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that have ever been attained into moral psychology.
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From the Zen master Sēngcàn:
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"If you want the truth to stand clear before you, never be 'for' or 'against.'
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The struggle between 'for' and 'against' is the mind's worst disease."
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Unfortunately, it's a disease that has been caught
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by many of the world's leaders.
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But before you feel superior to George Bush,
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before you throw a stone, ask yourself:
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Do you accept this?
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Do you accept stepping out of the battle of good and evil?
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Can you be not for or against anything?
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So what's the point? What should you do?
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Well, if you take the greatest insights
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from ancient Asian philosophies and religions
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and combine them with the latest research on moral psychology,
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I think you come to these conclusions:
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that our righteous minds were designed by evolution
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to unite us into teams,
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to divide us against other teams
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and then to blind us to the truth.
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So what should you do?
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Am I telling you to not strive?
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Am I telling you to embrace Sēngcàn and stop,
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stop with the struggle of for and against?
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No, absolutely not. I'm not saying that.
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This is an amazing group of people who are doing so much,
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using so much of their talent,
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their brilliance, their energy, their money,
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to make the world a better place,
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to fight wrongs,
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to solve problems.
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But as we learned from Samantha Power
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in her story about Sérgio Vieira de Mello,
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you can't just go charging in, saying, "You're wrong, and I'm right,"
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because, as we just heard, everybody thinks they are right.
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A lot of the problems we have to solve
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are problems that require us to change other people.
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And if you want to change other people,
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a much better way to do it is to first understand who we are --
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understand our moral psychology,
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understand that we all think we're right --
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and then step out,
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even if it's just for a moment, step out -- check in with Sēngcàn.
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Step out of the moral Matrix,
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just try to see it as a struggle playing out,
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in which everybody thinks they're right, and even if you disagree with them,
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everybody has some reasons for what they're doing.
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Step out.
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And if you do that, that's the essential move to cultivate moral humility,
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to get yourself out of this self-righteousness,
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which is the normal human condition.
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Think about the Dalai Lama.
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Think about the enormous moral authority of the Dalai Lama.
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It comes from his moral humility.
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So I think the point --
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the point of my talk and, I think, the point of TED --
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is that this is a group that is passionately engaged
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in the pursuit of changing the world for the better.
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People here are passionately engaged
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in trying to make the world a better place.
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But there is also a passionate commitment to the truth.
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And so I think the answer is to use that passionate commitment to the truth
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to try to turn it into a better future for us all.
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Thank you.
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(Applause)
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