Svante Pääbo: DNA clues to our inner neanderthal

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What I want to talk to you about
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is what we can learn from studying the genomes
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of living people
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and extinct humans.
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But before doing that,
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I just briefly want to remind you about what you already know:
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that our genomes, our genetic material,
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are stored in almost all cells in our bodies in chromosomes
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in the form of DNA,
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which is this famous double-helical molecule.
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And the genetic information
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is contained in the form of a sequence
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of four bases
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abbreviated with the letters A, T, C and G.
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And the information is there twice --
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one on each strand --
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which is important,
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because when new cells are formed, these strands come apart,
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new strands are synthesized with the old ones as templates
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in an almost perfect process.
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But nothing, of course, in nature
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is totally perfect,
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so sometimes an error is made
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and a wrong letter is built in.
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And we can then see the result
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of such mutations
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when we compare DNA sequences
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among us here in the room, for example.
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If we compare my genome to the genome of you,
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approximately every 1,200, 1,300 letters
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will differ between us.
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And these mutations accumulate
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approximately as a function of time.
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So if we add in a chimpanzee here, we will see more differences.
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Approximately one letter in a hundred
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will differ from a chimpanzee.
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And if you're then interested in the history
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of a piece of DNA, or the whole genome,
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you can reconstruct the history of the DNA
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with those differences you observe.
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And generally we depict our ideas about this history
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in the form of trees like this.
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In this case, it's very simple.
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The two human DNA sequences
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go back to a common ancestor quite recently.
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Farther back is there one shared with chimpanzees.
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And because these mutations
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happen approximately as a function of time,
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you can transform these differences
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to estimates of time,
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where the two humans, typically,
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will share a common ancestor about half a million years ago,
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and with the chimpanzees,
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it will be in the order of five million years ago.
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So what has now happened in the last few years
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is that there are account technologies around
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that allow you to see many, many pieces of DNA very quickly.
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So we can now, in a matter of hours,
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determine a whole human genome.
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Each of us, of course, contains two human genomes --
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one from our mothers and one from our fathers.
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And they are around three billion such letters long.
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And we will find that the two genomes in me,
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or one genome of mine we want to use,
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will have about three million differences
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in the order of that.
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And what you can then also begin to do
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is to say, "How are these genetic differences
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distributed across the world?"
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And if you do that,
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you find a certain amount of genetic variation in Africa.
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And if you look outside Africa,
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you actually find less genetic variation.
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This is surprising, of course,
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because in the order of six to eight times fewer people
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live in Africa than outside Africa.
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Yet the people inside Africa
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have more genetic variation.
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Moreover, almost all these genetic variants
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we see outside Africa
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have closely related DNA sequences
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that you find inside Africa.
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But if you look in Africa,
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there is a component of the genetic variation
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that has no close relatives outside.
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So a model to explain this
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is that a part of the African variation, but not all of it,
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[has] gone out and colonized the rest of the world.
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And together with the methods to date these genetic differences,
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this has led to the insight
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that modern humans --
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humans that are essentially indistinguishable from you and me --
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evolved in Africa, quite recently,
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between 100 and 200,000 years ago.
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And later, between 100 and 50,000 years ago or so,
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went out of Africa
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to colonize the rest of the world.
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So what I often like to say
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is that, from a genomic perspective,
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we are all Africans.
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We either live inside Africa today,
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or in quite recent exile.
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Another consequence
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of this recent origin of modern humans
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is that genetic variants
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are generally distributed widely in the world,
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in many places,
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and they tend to vary as gradients,
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from a bird's-eye perspective at least.
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And since there are many genetic variants,
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and they have different such gradients,
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this means that if we determine a DNA sequence --
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a genome from one individual --
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we can quite accurately estimate
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where that person comes from,
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provided that its parents or grandparents
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haven't moved around too much.
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But does this then mean,
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as many people tend to think,
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that there are huge genetic differences between groups of people --
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on different continents, for example?
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Well we can begin to ask those questions also.
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There is, for example, a project that's underway
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to sequence a thousand individuals --
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their genomes -- from different parts of the world.
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They've sequenced 185 Africans
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from two populations in Africa.
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[They've] sequenced approximately equally [as] many people
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in Europe and in China.
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And we can begin to say how much variance do we find,
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how many letters that vary
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in at least one of those individual sequences.
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And it's a lot: 38 million variable positions.
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But we can then ask: Are there any absolute differences
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between Africans and non-Africans?
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Perhaps the biggest difference
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most of us would imagine existed.
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And with absolute difference --
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and I mean a difference
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where people inside Africa at a certain position,
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where all individuals -- 100 percent -- have one letter,
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and everybody outside Africa has another letter.
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And the answer to that, among those millions of differences,
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is that there is not a single such position.
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This may be surprising.
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Maybe a single individual is misclassified or so.
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So we can relax the criterion a bit
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and say: How many positions do we find
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where 95 percent of people in Africa have
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one variant,
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95 percent another variant,
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and the number of that is 12.
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So this is very surprising.
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It means that when we look at people
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and see a person from Africa
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and a person from Europe or Asia,
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we cannot, for a single position in the genome with 100 percent accuracy,
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predict what the person would carry.
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And only for 12 positions
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can we hope to be 95 percent right.
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This may be surprising,
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because we can, of course, look at these people
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and quite easily say where they or their ancestors came from.
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So what this means now
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is that those traits we then look at
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and so readily see --
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facial features, skin color, hair structure --
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are not determined by single genes with big effects,
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but are determined by many different genetic variants
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that seem to vary in frequency
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between different parts of the world.
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There is another thing with those traits
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that we so easily observe in each other
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that I think is worthwhile to consider,
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and that is that, in a very literal sense,
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they're really on the surface of our bodies.
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They are what we just said --
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facial features, hair structure, skin color.
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There are also a number of features
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that vary between continents like that
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that have to do with how we metabolize food that we ingest,
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or that have to do
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with how our immune systems deal with microbes
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that try to invade our bodies.
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But so those are all parts of our bodies
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where we very directly interact with our environment,
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in a direct confrontation, if you like.
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It's easy to imagine
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how particularly those parts of our bodies
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were quickly influenced by selection from the environment
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and shifted frequencies of genes
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that are involved in them.
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But if we look on other parts of our bodies
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where we don't directly interact with the environment --
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our kidneys, our livers, our hearts --
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there is no way to say,
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by just looking at these organs,
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where in the world they would come from.
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So there's another interesting thing
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that comes from this realization
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that humans have a recent common origin in Africa,
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and that is that when those humans emerged
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around 100,000 years ago or so,
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they were not alone on the planet.
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There were other forms of humans around,
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most famously perhaps, Neanderthals --
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these robust forms of humans,
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compared to the left here
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with a modern human skeleton on the right --
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that existed in Western Asia and Europe
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since several hundreds of thousands of years.
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So an interesting question is,
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what happened when we met?
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What happened to the Neanderthals?
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And to begin to answer such questions,
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my research group -- since over 25 years now --
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works on methods to extract DNA
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from remains of Neanderthals
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and extinct animals
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that are tens of thousands of years old.
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So this involves a lot of technical issues
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in how you extract the DNA,
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how you convert it to a form you can sequence.
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You have to work very carefully
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to avoid contamination of experiments
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with DNA from yourself.
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And this then, in conjunction with these methods
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that allow very many DNA molecules to be sequenced very rapidly,
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allowed us last year
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to present the first version of the Neanderthal genome,
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so that any one of you
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can now look on the Internet, on the Neanderthal genome,
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or at least on the 55 percent of it
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that we've been able to reconstruct so far.
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And you can begin to compare it to the genomes
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of people who live today.
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And one question
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that you may then want to ask
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is, what happened when we met?
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Did we mix or not?
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And the way to ask that question
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is to look at the Neanderthal that comes from Southern Europe
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and compare it to genomes
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of people who live today.
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So we then look
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to do this with pairs of individuals,
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starting with two Africans,
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looking at the two African genomes,
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finding places where they differ from each other,
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and in each case ask: What is a Neanderthal like?
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Does it match one African or the other African?
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We would expect there to be no difference,
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because Neanderthals were never in Africa.
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They should be equal, have no reason to be closer
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to one African than another African.
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And that's indeed the case.
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Statistically speaking, there is no difference
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in how often the Neanderthal matches one African or the other.
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But this is different
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if we now look at the European individual and an African.
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Then, significantly more often,
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does a Neanderthal match the European
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rather than the African.
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The same is true if we look at a Chinese individual
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versus an African,
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the Neanderthal will match the Chinese individual more often.
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This may also be surprising
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because the Neanderthals were never in China.
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So the model we've proposed to explain this
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is that when modern humans came out of Africa
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sometime after 100,000 years ago,
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they met Neanderthals.
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Presumably, they did so first in the Middle East,
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where there were Neanderthals living.
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If they then mixed with each other there,
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then those modern humans
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that became the ancestors
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of everyone outside Africa
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carried with them this Neanderthal component in their genome
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to the rest of the world.
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So that today, the people living outside Africa
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have about two and a half percent of their DNA
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from Neanderthals.
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So having now a Neanderthal genome
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on hand as a reference point
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and having the technologies
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to look at ancient remains
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and extract the DNA,
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we can begin to apply them elsewhere in the world.
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And the first place we've done that is in Southern Siberia
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in the Altai Mountains
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at a place called Denisova,
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a cave site in this mountain here,
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where archeologists in 2008
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found a tiny little piece of bone --
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this is a copy of it --
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that they realized came from the last phalanx
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of a little finger of a pinky of a human.
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And it was well enough preserved
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so we could determine the DNA from this individual,
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even to a greater extent
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than for the Neanderthals actually,
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and start relating it to the Neanderthal genome
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and to people today.
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And we found that this individual
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shared a common origin for his DNA sequences
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with Neanderthals around 640,000 years ago.
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And further back, 800,000 years ago
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is there a common origin
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with present day humans.
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So this individual comes from a population
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that shares an origin with Neanderthals,
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but far back and then have a long independent history.
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We call this group of humans,
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that we then described for the first time
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from this tiny, tiny little piece of bone,
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the Denisovans,
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after this place where they were first described.
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So we can then ask for Denisovans
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the same things as for the Neanderthals:
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Did they mix with ancestors of present day people?
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If we ask that question,
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and compare the Denisovan genome
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to people around the world,
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we surprisingly find
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no evidence of Denisovan DNA
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in any people living even close to Siberia today.
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But we do find it in Papua New Guinea
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and in other islands in Melanesia and the Pacific.
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So this presumably means
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that these Denisovans had been more widespread in the past,
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since we don't think that the ancestors of Melanesians
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were ever in Siberia.
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So from studying
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these genomes of extinct humans,
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we're beginning to arrive at a picture of what the world looked like
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when modern humans started coming out of Africa.
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In the West, there were Neanderthals;
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in the East, there were Denisovans --
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maybe other forms of humans too
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that we've not yet described.
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We don't know quite where the borders between these people were,
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but we know that in Southern Siberia,
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there were both Neanderthals and Denisovans
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at least at some time in the past.
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Then modern humans emerged somewhere in Africa,
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came out of Africa, presumably in the Middle East.
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They meet Neanderthals, mix with them,
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continue to spread over the world,
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and somewhere in Southeast Asia,
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they meet Denisovans and mix with them
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and continue on out into the Pacific.
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And then these earlier forms of humans disappear,
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but they live on a little bit today
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in some of us --
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in that people outside of Africa have two and a half percent of their DNA
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from Neanderthals,
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and people in Melanesia
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actually have an additional five percent approximately
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from the Denisovans.
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Does this then mean that there is after all
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some absolute difference
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between people outside Africa and inside Africa
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in that people outside Africa
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have this old component in their genome
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from these extinct forms of humans,
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whereas Africans do not?
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Well I don't think that is the case.
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Presumably, modern humans
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emerged somewhere in Africa.
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They spread across Africa also, of course,
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and there were older, earlier forms of humans there.
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And since we mixed elsewhere,
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I'm pretty sure that one day,
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when we will perhaps have a genome
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of also these earlier forms in Africa,
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we will find that they have also mixed
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with early modern humans in Africa.
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So to sum up,
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what have we learned from studying genomes
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of present day humans
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and extinct humans?
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We learn perhaps many things,
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but one thing that I find sort of important to mention
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is that I think the lesson is that we have always mixed.
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We mixed with these earlier forms of humans,
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wherever we met them,
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and we mixed with each other ever since.
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Thank you for your attention.
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(Applause)
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