Shlomo Benartzi: Saving for tomorrow, tomorrow

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I'm going to talk today about saving more,
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but not today, tomorrow.
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I'm going to talk about Save More Tomorrow.
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It's a program that Richard Thaler
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from the University of Chicago and I
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devised maybe 15 years ago.
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The program, in a sense,
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is an example of behavioral finance
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on steroids --
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how we could really use behavioral finance.
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Now you might ask, what is behavioral finance?
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So let's think about how we manage our money.
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Let's start with mortgages.
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It's kind of a recent topic,
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at least in the U.S.
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A lot of people buy
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the biggest house they can afford,
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and actually slightly bigger than that.
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And then they foreclose.
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And then they blame the banks
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for being the bad guys who gave them the mortgages.
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Let's also think about
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how we manage risks --
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for example, investing in the stock market.
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Two years ago, three years ago, about four years ago,
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markets did well.
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We were risk takers, of course.
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Then market stocks seize
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and we're like, "Wow.
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These losses, they feel, emotionally,
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they feel very different
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from what we actually thought about it
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when markets were going up."
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So we're probably not doing a great job
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when it comes to risk taking.
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How many of you have iPhones?
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Anyone? Wonderful.
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I would bet many more of you
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insure your iPhone --
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you're implicitly buying insurance by having an extended warranty.
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What if you lose your iPhone?
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What if you do this?
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How many of you have kids?
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Anyone?
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Keep your hands up
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if you have sufficient life insurance.
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I see a lot of hands coming down.
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I would predict,
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if you're a representative sample,
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that many more of you
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insure your iPhones than your lives,
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even when you have kids.
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We're not doing that well when it comes to insurance.
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The average American household
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spends 1,000 dollars a year
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on lotteries.
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And I know it sounds crazy.
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How many of you spend a thousand dollars a year on lotteries?
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No one.
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So that tells us that the people not in this room
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are spending more than a thousand
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to get the average to a thousand.
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Low-income people
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spend a lot more than a thousand on lotteries.
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So where does it take us?
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We're not doing a great job managing money.
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Behavioral finance is really a combination
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of psychology and economics,
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trying to understand
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the money mistakes people make.
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And I can keep standing here
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for the 12 minutes and 53 seconds that I have left
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and make fun of all sorts of ways
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we manage money,
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and at the end you're going to ask, "How can we help people?"
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And that's what I really want to focus on today.
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How do we take an understanding
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of the money mistakes people make,
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and then turning the behavioral challenges
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into behavioral solutions?
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And what I'm going to talk about today
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is Save More Tomorrow.
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I want to address the issue
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of savings.
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We have on the screen
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a representative sample
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of 100 Americans.
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And we're going to look at their saving behavior.
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First thing to notice is,
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half of them
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do not even have access
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to a 401(k) plan.
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They cannot make savings easy.
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They cannot have money go away from their paycheck
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into a 401(k) plan
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before they see it,
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before they can touch it.
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What about the remaining half of the people?
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Some of them elect not to save.
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They're just too lazy.
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They never get around to logging into a complicated website
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and doing 17 clicks to join the 401(k) plan.
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And then they have to decide how they're going to invest
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in their 52 choices,
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and they never heard about what is a money market fund.
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And they get overwhelmed and the just don't join.
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How many people end up saving to a 401(k) plan?
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One third of Americans.
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Two thirds are not saving now.
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Are they saving enough?
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Take out those
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who say they save too little.
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One out of 10
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are saving enough.
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Nine out of 10
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either cannot save through their 401(k) plan,
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decide not to save -- or don't decide --
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or save too little.
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We think we have a problem
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of people saving too much.
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Let's look at that.
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We have one person --
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well, actually we're going to slice him in half
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because it's less than one percent.
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Roughly half a percent of Americans
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feel that they save too much.
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What are we going to do about it?
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That's what I really want to focus on.
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We have to understand
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why people are not saving,
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and then we can hopefully flip
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the behavioral challenges
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into behavioral solutions,
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and then see how powerful it might be.
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So let me divert for a second
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as we're going to identify the problems,
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the challenges, the behavioral challenges,
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that prevent people from saving.
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I'm going to divert and talk about bananas and chocolate.
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Suppose we had another wonderful TED event next week.
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And during the break
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there would be a snack
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and you could choose bananas or chocolate.
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How many of you think you would like to have bananas
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during this hypothetical TED event next week?
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Who would go for bananas?
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Wonderful.
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I predict scientifically
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74 percent of you will go for bananas.
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Well that's at least what one wonderful study predicted.
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And then count down the days
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and see what people ended up eating.
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The same people that imagined themselves
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eating the bananas
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ended up eating chocolates
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a week later.
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Self-control
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is not a problem in the future.
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It's only a problem now
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when the chocolate is next to us.
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What does it have to do with time and savings,
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this issue of immediate gratification?
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Or as some economists call it, present bias.
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We think about saving. We know we should be saving.
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We know we'll do it next year, but today let us go and spend.
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Christmas is coming,
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we might as well buy a lot of gifts for everyone we know.
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So this issue of present bias
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causes us to think about saving,
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but end up spending.
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Let me now talk
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about another behavioral obstacle to saving
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having to do with inertia.
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But again, a little diversion
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to the topic of organ donation.
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Wonderful study comparing different countries.
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We're going to look at two similar countries,
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Germany and Austria.
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And in Germany,
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if you would like to donate your organs --
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God forbid something really bad
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happens to you --
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when you get your driving license or an I.D.,
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you check the box saying,
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"I would like to donate my organs."
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Not many people like checking boxes.
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It takes effort. You need to think.
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Twelve percent do.
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Austria, a neighboring country,
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slightly similar, slightly different.
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What's the difference?
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Well, you still have choice.
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You will decide
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whether you want to donate your organs or not.
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But when you get your driving license,
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you check the box
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if you do not want to donate your organ.
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Nobody checks boxes.
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That's kind of too much effort.
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One percent check the box. The rest do nothing.
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Doing nothing is very common.
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Not many people check boxes.
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What are the implications
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to saving lives
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and having organs available?
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In Germany, 12 percent check the box.
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Twelve percent are organ donors.
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Huge shortage of organs,
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God forbid, if you need one.
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In Austria, again, nobody checks the box.
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Therefore, 99 percent of people
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are organ donors.
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Inertia, lack of action.
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What is the default setting
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if people do nothing,
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if they keep procrastinating, if they don't check the boxes?
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Very powerful.
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We're going to talk
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about what happens if people are overwhelmed and scared
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to make their 401(k) choices.
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Are we going to make them automatically join the plan,
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or are they going to be left out?
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In too many 401(k) plans,
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if people do nothing,
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it means they're not saving for retirement,
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if they don't check the box.
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And checking the box takes effort.
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So we've chatted about a couple of behavioral challenges.
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One more before we flip the challenges into solutions,
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having to do with monkeys and apples.
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No, no, no, this is a real study
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and it's got a lot to do with behavioral economics.
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One group of monkeys gets an apple, they're pretty happy.
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The other group gets two apples, one is taken away.
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They still have an apple left.
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They're really mad.
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Why have you taken our apple?
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This is the notion of loss aversion.
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We hate losing stuff,
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even if it doesn't mean a lot of risk.
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You would hate to go to the ATM,
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take out 100 dollars
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and notice that you lost one of those $20 bills.
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It's very painful,
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even though it doesn't mean anything.
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Those 20 dollars might have been a quick lunch.
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So this notion of loss aversion
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kicks in when it comes to savings too,
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because people, mentally
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and emotionally and intuitively
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frame savings as a loss
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because I have to cut my spending.
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So we talked about
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all sorts of behavioral challenges
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having to do with savings eventually.
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Whether you think about immediate gratification,
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and the chocolates versus bananas,
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it's just painful to save now.
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It's a lot more fun
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to spend now.
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We talked about inertia and organ donations
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and checking the box.
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If people have to check a lot of boxes
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to join a 401(k) plan,
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they're going to keep procrastinating
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and not join.
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And last, we talked about loss aversion,
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and the monkeys and the apples.
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If people frame mentally
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saving for retirement as a loss,
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they're not going to be saving for retirement.
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So we've got these challenges,
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and what Richard Thaler and I
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were always fascinated by --
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take behavioral finance,
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make it behavioral finance on steroids
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or behavioral finance 2.0
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or behavioral finance in action --
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flip the challenges into solutions.
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And we came up with an embarrassingly simple solution
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called Save More, not today, Tomorrow.
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How is it going to solve the challenges
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we chatted about?
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If you think about the problem
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of bananas versus chocolates,
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we think we're going to eat bananas next week.
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We think we're going to save more next year.
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Save More Tomorrow
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invites employees
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to save more maybe next year --
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sometime in the future
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when we can imagine ourselves
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eating bananas,
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volunteering more in the community,
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exercising more and doing all the right things on the planet.
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Now we also talked about checking the box
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and the difficulty of taking action.
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Save More Tomorrow
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makes it easy.
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It's an autopilot.
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Once you tell me you would like to save more in the future,
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let's say every January
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you're going to be saving more automatically
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and it's going to go away from your paycheck to the 401(k) plan
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before you see it, before you touch it,
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before you get the issue
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of immediate gratification.
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But what are we going to do about the monkeys
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and loss aversion?
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Next January comes
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and people might feel that if they save more,
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they have to spend less, and that's painful.
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Well, maybe it shouldn't be just January.
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Maybe we should make people save more
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when they make more money.
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That way, when they make more money, when they get a pay raise,
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they don't have to cut their spending.
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They take a little bit
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of the increase in the paycheck home
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and spend more --
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take a little bit of the increase
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and put it in a 401(k) plan.
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So that is the program,
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embarrassingly simple,
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but as we're going to see,
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extremely powerful.
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We first implemented it,
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Richard Thaler and I,
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back in 1998.
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Mid-sized company in the Midwest,
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blue collar employees
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struggling to pay their bills
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repeatedly told us
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they cannot save more right away.
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Saving more today is not an option.
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We invited them to save
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three percentage points more
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every time they get a pay raise.
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And here are the results.
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We're seeing here a three and a half-year period,
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four pay raises,
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people who were struggling to save,
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were saving three percent of their paycheck,
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three and a half years later
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saving almost four times as much,
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almost 14 percent.
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And there's shoes and bicycles
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and things on this chart
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because I don't want to just throw numbers
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in a vacuum.
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I want, really, to think about the fact
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that saving four times more
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is a huge difference
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in terms of the lifestyle
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that people will be able to afford.
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It's real.
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It's not just numbers on a piece of paper.
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Whereas with saving three percent,
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people might have to add nice sneakers
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so they can walk,
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because they won't be able to afford anything else,
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when they save 14 percent
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they might be able to maybe have nice dress shoes
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to walk to the car to drive.
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This is a real difference.
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By now, about 60 percent of the large companies
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actually have programs like this in place.
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It's been part of the Pension Protection Act.
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And needless to say that Thaler and I
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have been blessed to be part of this program
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and make a difference.
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Let me wrap
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with two key messages.
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One is behavioral finance
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is extremely powerful.
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This is just one example.
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Message two
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is there's still a lot to do.
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This is really the tip of the iceberg.
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If you think about people and mortgages
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and buying houses and then not being able to pay for it,
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we need to think about that.
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If you're thinking about people taking too much risk
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and not understanding how much risk they're taking
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or taking too little risk,
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we need to think about that.
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If you think about people spending a thousand dollars a year
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on lottery tickets,
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we need to think about that.
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The average actually,
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the record is in Singapore.
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The average household
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spends $4,000 a year on lottery tickets.
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We've got a lot to do,
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a lot to solve,
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also in the retirement area
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when it comes to what people do with their money
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after retirement.
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One last question:
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How many of you feel comfortable
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that as you're planning for retirement
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you have a really solid plan
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when you're going to retire,
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when you're going to claim Social Security benefits,
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what lifestyle to expect,
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how much to spend every month
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so you're not going to run out of money?
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How many of you feel you have a solid plan for the future
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when it comes to post-retirement decisions.
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One, two, three, four.
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Less than three percent
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of a very sophisticated audience.
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Behavioral finance has a long way.
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There's a lot of opportunities
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to make it powerful again and again and again.
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Thank you.
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(Applause)
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