Matthieu Ricard: How to let altruism be your guide

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So we humans have an extraordinary potential for goodness,
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but also an immense power to do harm.
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Any tool can be used to build or to destroy.
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That all depends on our motivation.
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Therefore, it is all the more important
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to foster an altruistic motivation rather than a selfish one.
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So now we indeed are facing many challenges in our times.
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Those could be personal challenges.
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Our own mind can be our best friend or our worst enemy.
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There's also societal challenges:
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poverty in the midst of plenty, inequalities, conflict, injustice.
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And then there are the new challenges, which we don't expect.
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Ten thousand years ago, there were about five million human beings on Earth.
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Whatever they could do,
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the Earth's resilience would soon heal human activities.
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After the Industrial and Technological Revolutions,
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that's not the same anymore.
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We are now the major agent of impact on our Earth.
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We enter the Anthropocene, the era of human beings.
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So in a way, if we were to say we need to continue this endless growth,
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endless use of material resources,
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it's like if this man was saying --
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and I heard a former head of state, I won't mention who, saying --
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"Five years ago, we were at the edge of the precipice.
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Today we made a big step forward."
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So this edge is the same that has been defined by scientists
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as the planetary boundaries.
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And within those boundaries, they can carry a number of factors.
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We can still prosper, humanity can still prosper for 150,000 years
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if we keep the same stability of climate
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as in the Holocene for the last 10,000 years.
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But this depends on choosing a voluntary simplicity,
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growing qualitatively, not quantitatively.
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So in 1900, as you can see, we were well within the limits of safety.
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Now, in 1950 came the great acceleration.
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Now hold your breath, not too long, to imagine what comes next.
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Now we have vastly overrun some of the planetary boundaries.
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Just to take biodiversity, at the current rate,
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by 2050, 30 percent of all species on Earth will have disappeared.
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Even if we keep their DNA in some fridge, that's not going to be reversible.
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So here I am sitting
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in front of a 7,000-meter-high, 21,000-foot glacier in Bhutan.
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At the Third Pole, 2,000 glaciers are melting fast, faster than the Arctic.
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So what can we do in that situation?
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Well, however complex politically, economically, scientifically
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the question of the environment is,
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it simply boils down to a question of altruism versus selfishness.
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I'm a Marxist of the Groucho tendency.
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(Laughter)
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Groucho Marx said, "Why should I care about future generations?
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What have they ever done for me?"
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(Laughter)
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Unfortunately, I heard the billionaire Steve Forbes,
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on Fox News, saying exactly the same thing, but seriously.
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He was told about the rise of the ocean,
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and he said, "I find it absurd to change my behavior today
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for something that will happen in a hundred years."
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So if you don't care for future generations,
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just go for it.
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So one of the main challenges of our times
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is to reconcile three time scales:
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the short term of the economy,
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the ups and downs of the stock market, the end-of-the-year accounts;
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the midterm of the quality of life --
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what is the quality every moment of our life, over 10 years and 20 years? --
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and the long term of the environment.
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When the environmentalists speak with economists,
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it's like a schizophrenic dialogue, completely incoherent.
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They don't speak the same language.
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Now, for the last 10 years, I went around the world
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meeting economists, scientists, neuroscientists, environmentalists,
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philosophers, thinkers in the Himalayas, all over the place.
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It seems to me, there's only one concept
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that can reconcile those three time scales.
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It is simply having more consideration for others.
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If you have more consideration for others, you will have a caring economics,
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where finance is at the service of society
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and not society at the service of finance.
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You will not play at the casino
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with the resources that people have entrusted you with.
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If you have more consideration for others,
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you will make sure that you remedy inequality,
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that you bring some kind of well-being within society,
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in education, at the workplace.
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Otherwise, a nation that is the most powerful and the richest
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but everyone is miserable, what's the point?
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And if you have more consideration for others,
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you are not going to ransack that planet that we have
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and at the current rate, we don't have three planets to continue that way.
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So the question is,
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okay, altruism is the answer, it's not just a novel ideal,
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but can it be a real, pragmatic solution?
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And first of all, does it exist,
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true altruism, or are we so selfish?
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So some philosophers thought we were irredeemably selfish.
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But are we really all just like rascals?
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That's good news, isn't it?
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Many philosophers, like Hobbes, have said so.
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But not everyone looks like a rascal.
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Or is man a wolf for man?
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But this guy doesn't seem too bad.
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He's one of my friends in Tibet.
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He's very kind.
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So now, we love cooperation.
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There's no better joy than working together, is there?
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And then not only humans.
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Then, of course, there's the struggle for life,
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the survival of the fittest, social Darwinism.
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But in evolution, cooperation -- though competition exists, of course --
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cooperation has to be much more creative to go to increased levels of complexity.
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We are super-cooperators and we should even go further.
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So now, on top of that, the quality of human relationships.
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The OECD did a survey among 10 factors, including income, everything.
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The first one that people said, that's the main thing for my happiness,
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is quality of social relationships.
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Not only in humans.
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And look at those great-grandmothers.
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So now, this idea that if we go deep within,
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we are irredeemably selfish,
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this is armchair science.
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There is not a single sociological study,
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psychological study, that's ever shown that.
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Rather, the opposite.
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My friend, Daniel Batson, spent a whole life
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putting people in the lab in very complex situations.
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And of course we are sometimes selfish, and some people more than others.
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But he found that systematically, no matter what,
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there's a significant number of people
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who do behave altruistically, no matter what.
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If you see someone deeply wounded, great suffering,
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you might just help out of empathic distress --
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you can't stand it, so it's better to help than to keep on looking at that person.
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So we tested all that, and in the end, he said, clearly people can be altruistic.
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So that's good news.
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And even further, we should look at the banality of goodness.
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Now look at here.
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When we come out, we aren't going to say, "That's so nice.
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There was no fistfight while this mob was thinking about altruism."
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No, that's expected, isn't it?
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If there was a fistfight, we would speak of that for months.
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So the banality of goodness is something that doesn't attract your attention,
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but it exists.
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Now, look at this.
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So some psychologists said,
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when I tell them I run 140 humanitarian projects in the Himalayas
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that give me so much joy,
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they said, "Oh, I see, you work for the warm glow.
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That is not altruistic. You just feel good."
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You think this guy, when he jumped in front of the train,
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he thought, "I'm going to feel so good when this is over?"
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(Laughter)
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But that's not the end of it.
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They say, well, but when you interviewed him, he said,
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"I had no choice. I had to jump, of course."
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He has no choice. Automatic behavior. It's neither selfish nor altruistic.
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No choice?
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Well of course, this guy's not going to think for half an hour,
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"Should I give my hand? Not give my hand?"
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He does it. There is a choice, but it's obvious, it's immediate.
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And then, also, there he had a choice.
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(Laughter)
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There are people who had choice, like Pastor André Trocmé and his wife,
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and the whole village of Le Chambon-sur-Lignon in France.
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For the whole Second World War, they saved 3,500 Jews,
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gave them shelter, brought them to Switzerland,
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against all odds, at the risk of their lives and those of their family.
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So altruism does exist.
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So what is altruism?
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It is the wish: May others be happy and find the cause of happiness.
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Now, empathy is the affective resonance or cognitive resonance that tells you,
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this person is joyful, this person suffers.
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But empathy alone is not sufficient.
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If you keep on being confronted with suffering,
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you might have empathic distress, burnout,
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so you need the greater sphere of loving-kindness.
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With Tania Singer at the Max Planck Institute of Leipzig,
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we showed that the brain networks for empathy and loving-kindness are different.
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Now, that's all well done,
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so we got that from evolution, from maternal care, parental love,
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but we need to extend that.
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It can be extended even to other species.
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Now, if we want a more altruistic society, we need two things:
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individual change and societal change.
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So is individual change possible?
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Two thousand years of contemplative study said yes, it is.
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Now, 15 years of collaboration with neuroscience and epigenetics
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said yes, our brains change when you train in altruism.
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So I spent 120 hours in an MRI machine.
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This is the first time I went after two and a half hours.
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And then the result has been published in many scientific papers.
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It shows without ambiguity that there is structural change
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and functional change in the brain when you train the altruistic love.
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Just to give you an idea:
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this is the meditator at rest on the left,
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meditator in compassion meditation, you see all the activity,
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and then the control group at rest, nothing happened,
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in meditation, nothing happened.
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They have not been trained.
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So do you need 50,000 hours of meditation? No, you don't.
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Four weeks, 20 minutes a day, of caring, mindfulness meditation
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already brings a structural change in the brain compared to a control group.
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That's only 20 minutes a day for four weeks.
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Even with preschoolers -- Richard Davidson did that in Madison.
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An eight-week program: gratitude, loving- kindness, cooperation, mindful breathing.
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You would say, "Oh, they're just preschoolers."
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Look after eight weeks,
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the pro-social behavior, that's the blue line.
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And then comes the ultimate scientific test, the stickers test.
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Before, you determine for each child who is their best friend in the class,
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their least favorite child, an unknown child, and the sick child,
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and they have to give stickers away.
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So before the intervention, they give most of it to their best friend.
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Four, five years old, 20 minutes three times a week.
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After the intervention, no more discrimination:
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the same amount of stickers to their best friend and the least favorite child.
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That's something we should do in all the schools in the world.
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Now where do we go from there?
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(Applause)
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When the Dalai Lama heard that, he told Richard Davidson,
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"You go to 10 schools, 100 schools, the U.N., the whole world."
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So now where do we go from there?
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Individual change is possible.
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Now do we have to wait for an altruistic gene to be in the human race?
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That will take 50,000 years, too much for the environment.
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Fortunately, there is the evolution of culture.
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Cultures, as specialists have shown, change faster than genes.
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That's the good news.
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Look, attitude towards war has dramatically changed over the years.
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So now individual change and cultural change mutually fashion each other,
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and yes, we can achieve a more altruistic society.
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So where do we go from there?
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Myself, I will go back to the East.
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Now we treat 100,000 patients a year in our projects.
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We have 25,000 kids in school, four percent overhead.
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Some people say, "Well, your stuff works in practice,
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but does it work in theory?"
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There's always positive deviance.
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So I will also go back to my hermitage
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to find the inner resources to better serve others.
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But on the more global level, what can we do?
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We need three things.
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Enhancing cooperation:
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Cooperative learning in the school instead of competitive learning,
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Unconditional cooperation within corporations --
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there can be some competition between corporations, but not within.
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We need sustainable harmony. I love this term.
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Not sustainable growth anymore.
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Sustainable harmony means now we will reduce inequality.
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In the future, we do more with less,
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and we continue to grow qualitatively, not quantitatively.
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We need caring economics.
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The Homo economicus cannot deal with poverty in the midst of plenty,
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cannot deal with the problem of the common goods
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of the atmosphere, of the oceans.
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We need a caring economics.
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If you say economics should be compassionate,
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they say, "That's not our job."
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But if you say they don't care, that looks bad.
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We need local commitment, global responsibility.
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We need to extend altruism to the other 1.6 million species.
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Sentient beings are co-citizens in this world.
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and we need to dare altruism.
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So, long live the altruistic revolution.
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Viva la revolución de altruismo.
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(Applause)
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Thank you.
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(Applause)
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