The laws that sex workers really want | Juno Mac

Translator: Anders Finn Jørgensen Reviewer: Allan Jensen

I want to talk about sex for money.

Jeg vil tale om sex for penge.

I'm not like most of the people you'll have heard speaking

Jeg er ikke som de fleste folk I har hørt tale

about prostitution before.

om prostitution før.

I'm not a police officer or a social worker.

Jeg er ikke politibetjent eller en socialarbejder.

I'm not an academic, a journalist or a politician.

Jeg er ikke en akademiker, en journalist eller en politiker.

And as you'll probably have picked up from Maryam's blurb,

Og som i nok har hørt fra Maryams bemærkning,

I'm not a nun, either.

er jeg heller ikke en nonne.

(Laughter)

(Latter)

Most of those people would tell you that selling sex is degrading;

De fleste af disse mennesker vil fortælle jer at salg af sex er nedbrydende.

that no one would ever choose to do it;

at ingen nogensinde vil vælge at gøre det.

that it's dangerous; women get abused and killed.

At det er farligt; kvinder bliver misbrugt og dræbt.

In fact, most of those people would say,

Faktisk, de fleste af disse mennesker vil sige

"There should be a law against it!"

"Det skulle forbydes!"

Maybe that sounds reasonable to you.

Måske lyder dette fornuftigt for jer.

It sounded reasonable to me until the closing months of 2009,

Det lød fornuftigt for mig indtil slutningen af 2009,

when I was working two dead-end, minimum-wage jobs.

hvor jeg arbejdede i to hjernedøde mindstelønsjob.

Every month my wages would just replenish my overdraft.

Hver måned kunne min løn kun dække mine overtræk.

I was exhausted and my life was going nowhere.

Jeg var udmattet og mit liv førte til ingenting.

Like many others before me,

Som så mange før mig,

I decided sex for money was a better option.

besluttede jeg at sex for penge var en bedre mulighed.

Now don't get me wrong --

Misforstå mig ikke --

I would have loved to have won the lottery instead.

Jeg ville have elsket at vinde i lotteriet i stedet for.

But it wasn't going to happen anytime soon,

Men det ville ikke ske foreløbigt,

and my rent needed paying.

og min husleje skulle betales.

So I signed up for my first shift in a brothel.

Så jeg meldte mig til den første vagt på et bordel.

In the years that have passed,

I de år der er gået,

I've had a lot of time to think.

har jeg haft megen tid til at tænke.

I've reconsidered the ideas I once had about prostitution.

Jeg har genovervejet de ideer jeg engang havde om prostitution.

I've given a lot of thought to consent

Jeg har tænkt meget over samtykke

and the nature of work under capitalism.

og hvordan vi arbejder under kapitalismen.

I've thought about gender inequality

Jeg har tænkt over ulighed mellem kønnene

and the sexual and reproductive labor of women.

og kvinders seksuelle og reproduktive arbejde.

I've experienced exploitation and violence at work.

Jeg har oplevet udnyttelse og vold på arbejdet.

I've thought about what's needed

Jeg har tænkt over hvad der er behov for

to protect other sex workers from these things.

for at beskytte andre sexarbejdere mod disse ting.

Maybe you've thought about them, too.

Måske har I også tænkt over disse ting.

In this talk,

I denne tale,

I'll take you through the four main legal approaches

vil jeg gennemgå de fire måder man lovgiver

applied to sex work throughout the world,

om sexarbejde i Verdenen,

and explain why they don't work;

og forklare hvorfor de ikke virker.

why prohibiting the sex industry actually exacerbates every harm

Hvorfor forbud mod sexindustrien faktisk forstærker enhver skade

that sex workers are vulnerable to.

som sexarbejdere er udsat for.

Then I'm going tell you about what we, as sex workers, actually want.

Jeg vil fortælle jer om hvad vi sexarbejdere faktisk ønsker.

The first approach is full criminalization.

Den første måde er fuld kriminalisering.

Half the world,

Halvdelen af verdenen

including Russia, South Africa and most of the US,

herunder Rusland, Sydafrika og det meste af USA

regulates sex work by criminalizing everyone involved.

regulerer sexarbejde ved at kriminaliserer alle der deltager.

So that's seller, buyer and third parties.

Det er sælger, køber og tredjepart.

Lawmakers in these countries apparently hope

Lovgiverne i disse lande håber åbenbart

that the fear of getting arrested will deter people from selling sex.

at frygten for at blive arresteret vil afskrække folk fra at sælge sex.

But if you're forced to choose between obeying the law

Men hvis du er tvunget til at vælge mellem at følge loven

and feeding yourself or your family,

eller skaffe mad til din familie,

you're going to do the work anyway,

må du gøre arbejdet alligevel

and take the risk.

og tage risikoen.

Criminalization is a trap.

Kriminalisering er en fælde.

It's hard to get a conventional job when you have a criminal record.

Det er svært at få et almindeligt job hvis du har ting på din straffeattest.

Potential employers won't hire you.

Mulige arbejdsgivere vil ikke ansætte dig.

Assuming you still need money,

Forudsat du stadig har behov for penge,

you'll stay in the more flexible, informal economy.

bliver du i den uformelle økonomi.

The law forces you to keep selling sex,

Lovgivningen tvinger dig til at fortsætte med at sælge sex,

which is the exact opposite of its intended effect.

hvilket er det modsatte af den ønskede effekt.

Being criminalized leaves you exposed to mistreatment by the state itself.

At være kriminaliseret tvinger dig til at være mishandlet af staten selv.

In many places you may be coerced into paying a bribe

I mange tilfælde vil du være tvunget til at betale bestikkelse

or even into having sex with a police officer

eller endda have sex med en politimand

to avoid arrest.

for at undgå arrest.

Police and prison guards in Cambodia, for example,

Politi og fængselsbetjente i Cambodia, for eksempel,

have been documented subjecting sex workers

er blevet påvist at have udsat sexarbejdere for

to what can only be described as torture:

hvad der kun kan beskrives som tortur:

threats at gunpoint,

Trusler med pistoler,

beatings, electric shocks, rape

tæsk, elektriske stød, voldtægt

and denial of food.

og nægtelse af mad.

Another worrying thing:

En anden bekymrende ting:

if you're selling sex in places like Kenya, South Africa or New York,

Hvis du sælger sex steder som Kenya, Sydafrika eller New York,

a police officer can arrest you if you're caught carrying condoms,

en politimand kan arrestere dig hvis du har kondomer på dig,

because condoms can legally be used as evidence that you're selling sex.

fordi et kondom kan bruges i retten til at bevise at du sælger sex.

Obviously, this increases HIV risk.

Åbenlyst. Dette øger risikoen for HIV smitte.

Imagine knowing if you're busted carrying condoms,

Forestil dig du er arresteret, mens du har kondomer på dig -

it'll be used against you.

det vil blive brugt imod dig.

It's a pretty strong incentive to leave them at home, right?

Det er et rimeligt stærkt argument for at lade dem blive hjemme, ikke?

Sex workers working in these places are forced to make a tough choice

Sexarbejdere disse steder er tvunget til at tage nogle tunge beslutninger

between risking arrest or having risky sex.

mellem at risikere arrest eller have usikker sex.

What would you choose?

Hvad vil du vælge?

Would you pack condoms to go to work?

Vil du tage kondomer med på arbejde?

How about if you're worried

Hvad hvis du er bange for

the police officer would rape you when he got you in the van?

at politimanden vil voldtage dig, når han har fået dig ind i salatfadet?

The second approach to regulating sex work seen in these countries

Den anden tilgang til at regulere sexarbejde, set i disse lande

is partial criminalization,

er delvis kriminalisering,

where the buying and selling of sex are legal,

hvor køb og salg af sex er lovlig,

but surrounding activities,

men de omgivende aktiviteter,

like brothel-keeping or soliciting on the street, are banned.

som bordeldrift eller tilbyde sig på gaden, er forbudt.

Laws like these --

Love som disse --

we have them in the UK and in France --

Vi har dem i UK og Frankrig --

essentially say to us sex workers,

siger grundlæggende til os sexarbejdere:

"Hey, we don't mind you selling sex,

"Hey, vi er ligeglade om I sælger sex,

just make sure it's done behind closed doors

bare I gør det bag lukkede døre

and all alone."

og alene."

And brothel-keeping, by the way,

Og bordeldrift, for i øvrigt,

is defined as just two or more sex workers working together.

er defineret som to eller flere sexarbejdere der arbejder sammen.

Making that illegal means that many of us work alone,

At gøre det illegalt betyder at mange af os arbejder alene,

which obviously makes us vulnerable to violent offenders.

hvilket naturligvis gør os mere udsatte for voldelige overgreb.

But we're also vulnerable

Men vi er også sårbare

if we choose to break the law by working together.

hvis vi vælger at bryde loven ved at arbejde sammen.

A couple of years ago,

For nogle år siden,

a friend of mine was nervous after she was attacked at work,

var en af mine venner så nervøs efter at hun var angrebet på arbejde,

so I said that she could see her clients from my place for a while.

så jeg sagde at hun kunne møde sine kunder på mit sted for en stund.

During that time,

I den tid,

we had another guy turn nasty.

havde vi en anden ubehagelig fyr.

I told the guy to leave or I'd call the police.

Jeg sagde han skulle skride eller

And he looked at the two of us and said,

jeg ringende til politiet.

"You girls can't call the cops.

Og han kiggede på os og sagde:

You're working together, this place is illegal."

"I piger kan ikke ringe til politiet. I arbejder sammen og dette sted er ulovligt"

He was right.

Og han havde ret.

He eventually left without getting physically violent,

Han skred til sidst uden at blive fysisk voldelig.

but the knowledge that we were breaking the law

Men viden om at vi bryder loven

empowered that man to threaten us.

gjorde manden istand til at true os.

He felt confident he'd get away with it.

Han følte sig sikker på han kunne slippe afsted med det.

The prohibition of street prostitution also causes more harm

Forbuddet mod gadeprostitution gør også mere skade

than it prevents.

end det forebygger.

Firstly, to avoid getting arrested,

Først, for at undgå at blive arresteret,

street workers take risks to avoid detection,

gadearbejdere løber risici for at undgå opdagelse

and that means working alone

og det betyder at arbejde alene

or in isolated locations like dark forests

eller på isolerede steder, som mørke skove

where they're vulnerable to attack.

hvor de er sårbare for angreb.

If you're caught selling sex outdoors,

Hvis du bliver taget i at sælge sex udendørs,

you pay a fine.

får du en bøde.

How do you pay that fine without going back to the streets?

Hvordan kan du betale en bøde uden at gå tilbage til gaderne for at sælge sex?

It was the need for money that saw you in the streets

Det var behovet for penge der sendte dig ud på gaderne

in the first place.

til at starte med.

And so the fines stack up,

Og således hober bøderne sig op,

and you're caught in a vicious cycle

og du er fanget i en ond cirkel

of selling sex to pay the fines you got for selling sex.

af at sælge sex for at betale bøder, som du får for at sælge sex.

Let me tell you about Mariana Popa who worked in Redbridge, East London.

Lad mig fortælle om Mariana Popa, som arbejdede i Red Bridge, East London

The street workers on her patch would normally wait for clients in groups

Gadearbejderne på hendes sted vil normal vente på kunder i grupper

for safety in numbers

på grund af den fælles sikkerhed

and to warn each other about how to avoid dangerous guys.

og for at advare hinanden om hvordan man undgår farlige fyrer.

But during a police crackdown on sex workers and their clients,

Men under en politikampagne mod sexarbejdere og deres kunder,

she was forced to work alone to avoid being arrested.

var hun tvunget til at arbejde alene fora t undgå arrestation.

She was stabbed to death in the early hours of October 29, 2013.

Hun blev stukket ihjel i de tidlige timer den 29. Oktober, 2013.

She had been working later than usual

Hun havde arbejdet senere end hun plejede

to try to pay off a fine she had received for soliciting.

for at betale af på en bøde hun havde fået for at trække.

So if criminalizing sex workers hurts them,

Så hvis kriminalisering af sexarbejdere skader dem,

why not just criminalize the people who buy sex?

hvorfor så ikke kriminalisere de mennesker der køber sex?

This is the aim of the third approach

Dette er målet med den tredje tilgang

I want to talk about --

som jeg vil tale om --

the Swedish or Nordic model of sex-work law.

den svenske eller nordiske model for sexarbejde-lovgivning.

The idea behind this law

Ideen bag denne lov

is that selling sex is intrinsically harmful

er at sælge sex er i sig selv skadende

and so you're, in fact, helping sex workers by removing the option.

og så man hjælper sexarbejderne ved at fjerne denne mulighed.

Despite growing support

Trods stigende støtte

for what's often described as the "end demand" approach,

for hvad der er betegnet som "slut -fterspørgsel" tilgangen

there's no evidence that it works.

er der ikke nogen evidens for at det virker.

There's just as much prostitution in Sweden as there was before.

Der er ligeså meget prostitution i Sverige som der var før.

Why might that be?

Hvordan kan det være?

It's because people selling sex

Fordi folk sælger sex

often don't have other options for income.

ofte ikke har andre muligheder for en indkomst.

If you need that money,

Hvis du behøver penge,

the only effect that a drop in business is going have

så er den eneste effekt en mindre efterspørgsel vil have

is to force you to lower your prices

er at du er tvunget til at sænke dine priser

or offer more risky sexual services.

eller tilbyde mere risikofyldte seksuelle ydelser.

If you need to find more clients,

Hvis du skal finde flere kunder,

you might seek the help of a manager.

er en mulighed at få hjælp fra en bestyrer.

So you see, rather than putting a stop

Som I ser, snarer end at lave et stop

to what's often descried as pimping,

for det som ofte er beskrevet som alfonseri,

a law like this actually gives oxygen

vil en lov som denne faktisk give ilt

to potentially abusive third parties.

til potentielle udbyttende tredjeparter.

To keep safe in my work,

For at have sikkerhed i mit arbejde,

I try not to take bookings from someone

prøver jeg ikke at tage opgaver fra nogen

who calls me from a withheld number.

som ringer til mig fra et hemmeligt nummer.

If it's a home or a hotel visit,

Hvis det er et hjemme- eller hotelbesøg,

I try to get a full name and details.

prøver jeg at få det fulde navn og detaljer.

If I worked under the Swedish model,

Hvis jeg arbejde under den svenske model,

a client would be too scared to give me that information.

vil en kunde være for skræmt til at give mig den information.

I might have no other choice

Jeg vil ikke have andre muligheder

but to accept a booking from a man who is untraceable

end at acceptere end opgave fra en mand som ikke er sporbar

if he later turns out to be violent.

hvis han senere bliver voldelig.

If you need their money,

Hvis du har behov for deres penge,

you need to protect your clients from the police.

så må du beskytte dine kunder for politiet.

If you work outdoors,

Hvis du arbejder udendørs,

that means working alone or in isolated locations,

betyder det at du må arbejde alene og på isolerede steder,

just as if you were criminalized yourself.

ligesom du selv var kriminaliseret.

It might mean getting into cars quicker,

Det betyder at du skal ind i bilen hurtigere,

less negotiating time means snap decisions.

mindre forhandlingstid, det betyder forhastede beslutninger,

Is this guy dangerous or just nervous?

er denne fyr farlig eller er han bare nervøs?

Can you afford to take the risk?

Kan du tillade dig at tage risikoen?

Can you afford not to?

kan du lade være?

Something I'm often hearing is,

En ting jeg ofte hører er,

"Prostitution would be fine

"Prostitution er være ok

if we made it legal and regulated it."

hvis vi gjorde det legalt og regulerede det."

We call that approach legalization,

Vi kalder den tilgang for legalisering,

and it's used by countries like the Netherlands, Germany

og den er brugt af lande som Holland, Tyskland

and Nevada in the US.

og Nevada i USA.

But it's not a great model for human rights.

Men det er ikke nogen fin model for menneskerettigheder.

And in state-controlled prostitution,

Og under statskontrolleret prostitution,

commercial sex can only happen

kan kommerciel sex kun foregå

in certain legally-designated areas or venues,

på bestemte lovgivne arealer eller steder,

and sex workers are made to comply with special restrictions,

og sexarbejdere skal overholde specielle restriktioner,

like registration and forced health checks.

så som registrering og tvungne helbredstjek.

Regulation sounds great on paper,

Regulering lyder fint på papiret,

but politicians deliberately make regulation around the sex industry

men politikere gør med vilje reguleringerne omkring sexindustrien

expensive and difficult to comply with.

dyre og svære at overholde.

It creates a two-tiered system: legal and illegal work.

Det skaber et to-lags system: legalt og illegalt arbejde.

We sometimes call it "backdoor criminalization."

Vi kalder det nogen gange kriminalisering ad bagdøren.

Rich, well-connected brothel owners can comply with the regulations,

Rige bordelejere med forbindelserne i orden kan overholde reguleringerne,

but more marginalized people find those hoops

men mere marginaliserede folk finder disse forhindringer

impossible to jump through.

umulige at komme over.

And even if it's possible in principle,

Og selvom det er muligt i princippet,

getting a license or proper venue takes time and costs money.

at få en licens eller et ordentligt sted tager tid og koster penge.

It's not going to be an option

Det er ikke en mulighed for

for someone who's desperate and needs money tonight.

for en som er desperat og skal bruge penge i aften.

They might be a refugee or fleeing domestic abuse.

Det kan være en flygtning eller på flugt fra hjemligt misbrug.

In this two-tiered system,

I dette tolags-system,

the most vulnerable people are forced to work illegally,

er det mest sårbare mennesker tvunget til at arbejde illegalt,

so they're still exposed to all the dangers of criminalization

så de er stadigvæk udsat for alle farerne fra kriminaliseringen

I mentioned earlier.

som jeg nævnte før.

So.

Så.

It's looking like all attempts to control

Det ser ud til at alle forsøg på kontrol

or prevent sex work from happening

eller forhindring af sexarbejde i at finde sted

makes things more dangerous for people selling sex.

kun gør det mere farligt for folk at sælge sex.

Fear of law enforcement makes them work alone in isolated locations,

Frygt for ordensmagten får dem til at arbejde på isolerede steder,

and allows clients and even cops

og tillader deres kunder og selv politiet

to get abusive in the knowledge they'll get away with it.

til at misbruges dem og få lov til at slippe afsted med det.

Fines and criminal records force people to keep selling sex,

Bøder og plettede straffeattester tvinger folk til at blive ved med at sælge sex

rather than enabling them to stop.

snarer end at få dem til at stoppe.

Crackdowns on buyers drive sellers to take dangerous risks

At slå ned på købere driver sælgerne til at tage farlige risici

and into the arms of potentially abusive managers.

og tvinger dem i armene på potentielle misbrugende alfonser.

These laws also reinforce stigma and hatred against sex workers.

Disse love øger også stigmatiseringen af og hadet mod sexarbejdere.

When France temporarily brought in the Swedish model two years ago,

Da Frankrig midlertidigt indførte den svenske model for to år siden,

ordinary citizens took it as a cue

tog almindelige mennesker det som en opfordring

to start carrying out vigilante attacks

til at udføre overfald på

against people working on the street.

folk der arbejde på gaderne.

In Sweden, opinion surveys show

I Sverige, meningsmålinger viser, at en

that significantly more people want sex workers to be arrested now

betydelig større andel af befolkningen ønsker sexarbejdere arresterede nu

than before the law was brought in.

end før lovgivningen blev vedtaget.

If prohibition is this harmful,

Hvis forbud er skadelig,

you might ask, why it so popular?

kan du spørge, hvorfor er den så populær?

Firstly, sex work is and always has been a survival strategy

For det første, sexarbejde er og har altid været en overlevelsesstrategi

for all kinds of unpopular minority groups:

for alle typer af upopulære minoritetsgrupper:

people of color,

farvede folk,

migrants,

migranter,

people with disabilities,

folk med handicaps,

LGBTQ people,

LGBTQ folk,

particularly trans women.

særligt transkvinder.

These are the groups most heavily profiled

Disse grupper er de kraftigst overvågede

and punished through prohibitionist law.

og straffede gennem forbudslove.

I don't think this is an accident.

Jeg tror ikke at dette er et tilfælde.

These laws have political support

Disse love har politisk opbakning

precisely because they target people

præcist fordi de er målrettede folk

that voters don't want to see or know about.

som vælgerne ikke ønsker.

Why else might people support prohibition?

Hvorfor skulle de ellers støtte forbud?

Well, lots of people have understandable fears about trafficking.

Well, mange folk har forståelig frygt for trafficking.

Folks think that foreign women kidnapped and sold into sexual slavery

Folk tænker at fremmede kvinder er kidnappede og solgt som sexslaver

can be saved by shutting a whole industry down.

kan blive reddet ved at lukke hele industrien ned.

So let's talk about trafficking.

Så lad os tale om trafficking.

Forced labor does occur in many industries,

Tvunget arbejde finder sted i mange industrier,

especially those where the workers are migrants or otherwise vulnerable,

specielt dem hvor arbejderne er migranter eller på anden vis sårbare,

and this needs to be addressed.

og dette skal der gøres noget ved.

But it's best addressed with legislation targeting those specific abuses,

Men det gøres bedst ved at målrette lovgivningen mod disse specifikke misbrug,

not an entire industry.

ikke mod en hel industri.

When 23 undocumented Chinese migrants

Da 23 ukendte kinesiske migranter

drowned while picking cockles in Morecambe Bay in 2004,

druknede mens de samlede muslinger i Morescambe Bay i 2004,

there were no calls to outlaw the entire seafood industry

var der ikke noget krav om at forbyde hele seafood industrien

to save trafficking victims.

for at redde traffickede ofre.

The solution is clearly to give workers more legal protections,

Løsningen er tydeligvis at give arbejderne mere lovgivningsmæssig beskyttelse,

allowing them to resist abuse

som giver dem mulighed for at modstå misbrug

and report it to authorities without fear of arrest.

og rapportere til myndighederne uden frygt for arrestation.

The way the term trafficking is thrown around

Måden hvorpå ordet trafficking bruges

implies that all undocumented migration into prostitution is forced.

indikere at al udokumenteret migration til prostitution er tvungen.

In fact, many migrants have made a decision,

faktisk, mange migranter har taget en beslutning,

out of economic need,

ud fra økonomiske behov,

to place themselves into the hands of people smugglers.

for at putte dem i hænderne på menneskesmuglere.

Many do this with the full knowledge

Mange af disse gør det med fuld vidende

that they'll be selling sex when they reach their destination.

at de skal sælge sex når de kommer frem til deres mål.

And yes, it can often be the case

Og ja, det kan ofte være tilfældet

that these people smugglers demand exorbitant fees,

at disse menneskesmuglere tager eksorbitante priser,

coerce migrants into work they don't want to do

tvinger migranter til arbejde de ikke ønsker at lave

and abuse them when they're vulnerable.

og misbruger dem mens de er sårbare.

That's true of prostitution,

Det er rigtigt for prostitution,

but it's also true of agricultural work,

men det er også rigtigt for arbejde i landbruget,

hospitality work and domestic work.

service- og rengøringsjobs.

Ultimately, nobody wants to be forced to do any kind of work,

I sidste ende ønsker ingen at udføre et arbejde man er tvunget til,

but that's a risk many migrants are willing to take,

men det er en risiko som mange migranter er villige til at tage,

because of what they're leaving behind.

på grund af det som de forlader.

If people were allowed to migrate legally

Hvis folk kunne migrere legalt

they wouldn't have to place their lives into the hands of people smugglers.

ville de ikke have behov for at lægge deres liv i hænderne på menneskesmuglere.

The problems arise

Disse problemer stiger

from the criminalization of migration,

fra kriminaliseringen af migration,

just as they do from the criminalization

ligesom de gør fra kriminaliseringen

of sex work itself.

af sexarbejde i sig selv.

This is a lesson of history.

Det er en lære af historien.

If you try to prohibit something that people want or need to do,

Hvis du prøver at forbyde noget som mennesker ønsker eller har behov for at gøre,

whether that's drinking alcohol or crossing borders

hvad enten det er at drikke alkohol eller krydse grænser

or getting an abortion

eller få en abort

or selling sex,

eller sælge sex,

you create more problems than you solve.

skaber du flere problemer end du løser.

Prohibition barely makes a difference

Forbud laver en minimal forskel

to the amount of people actually doing those things.

på antallet af folk som faktisk gør disse ting.

But it makes a huge difference

Men det gør en stor forskel

as to whether or not they're safe when they do them.

om det er sikkert eller ej for dem at gøre det.

Why else might people support prohibition?

Hvorfor støtter folk eller forbud?

As a feminist, I know that the sex industry is a site

Som feminist, ved jeg at sexindustrien er et sted

of deeply entrenched social inequality.

med dybe sociale kløfter.

It's a fact that most buyers of sex are men with money,

Det er et faktum at de fleste købere af sex er mænd med penge,

and most sellers are women without.

mens de fleste sælgere er kvinder uden.

You can agree with all that -- I do --

Du kan være enig med dette -- jeg er --

and still think prohibition is a terrible policy.

og stadigvæk syntes at forbud er en forfærdelig politik.

In a better, more equal world,

I den bedre mere lige verden,

maybe there would be far fewer people selling sex to survive,

vil der måske være betydeligt færre folk der sælger sex for at overleve,

but you can't simply legislate a better world into existence.

men man kan ikke lovgive en bedre verden ud af det blå.

If someone needs to sell sex because they're poor

Hvis nogen har behov for at sælge sex fordi de er fattige

or because they're homeless

eller fordi de er hjemløse

or because they're undocumented and they can't find legal work,

eller fordi de er illegale og ikke kan finde lovligt arbejde,

taking away that option doesn't make them any less poor

at tage muligheden fra dem gør dem ikke mindre fattige

or house them

eller giver dem husly

or change their immigration status.

eller ændrer deres immigrationsstatus

People worry that selling sex is degrading.

Folk der er bekymrede over at salg af sex er nedværdigende.

Ask yourself: is it more degrading than going hungry

Spørg dig selv: Er det mere nedværdigende end at være sulten

or seeing your children go hungry?

eller se sine børn være sultne?

There's no call to ban rich people from hiring nannies

Der er intet krav om et forbud mod au pair-piger

or getting manicures,

eller at få manicure,

even though most of the people doing that labor are poor, migrant women.

selvom de fleste af dem som udfører dette arbejde er fattige kvindelige migrantarbejdere.

It's the fact of poor migrant women selling sex specifically

Det er specielt det faktum at det er fattige migrant kvinder sælger sex

that has some feminists uncomfortable.

som har gjort nogle feminister utrygge.

And I can understand

Og jeg kan forstå

why the sex industry provokes strong feelings.

hvorfor sexindustrien provokere så stærke følelser.

People have all kinds of complicated feelings

Folk kan have alle slags komplicerede følelser

when it comes to sex.

når det kommer til sex

But we can't make policy on the basis of mere feelings,

Men vi kan ikke lave politik på basis af blot følelser,

especially not over the heads of the people

specielt over hovederne på de folk

actually effected by those policies.

som faktisk er påvirket af disse politiker.

If we get fixated on the abolition of sex work,

Hvis vi bliver fikseret på forbud mod sexarbejde

we end up worrying more about a particular manifestation

ender vi med at bekymre os mere om en bestemt manifestation

of gender inequality,

af ulighed mellem kønnene,

rather than about the underlying causes.

snarer end de underliggende årsager.

People get really hung up on the question,

Folk bliver hængt op på spørgsmålet om

"Well, would you want your daughter doing it?"

Nå vil du ønske at din datter gjorde?

That's the wrong question.

Det er et forkert spørgsmål.

Instead, imagine she is doing it.

I stedet lad os forestille os at hun gør det:

How safe is she at work tonight?

Hvor sikkert er hendes arbejde i nat?

Why isn't she safer?

hvorfor er hun ikke sikre?

So we've looked at full criminalization,

så vi har kigget på fuld kriminalisering

partial criminalization, the Swedish or Nordic Model

delvis kriminalisering, den svenske eller nordiske model

and legalization,

og legalisering,

and how they all cause harm.

og hvordan at de alle laver skader.

Something I never hear asked is:

Noget som jeg aldrig hører spurgt er:

"What do sex workers want?"

Hvad ønsker sexarbejdere selv?

After all, we're the ones most affected by these laws.

Alt i alt, vi er dem som bliver mest påvirket af disse love.

New Zealand decriminalized sex work in 2003.

New Zealand afkriminaliserede sexarbejde i 2003.

It's crucial to remember

Det er vigtigt at huske

that decriminalization and legalization are not the same thing.

at afkriminalisering og legalisering ikke er den samme ting.

Decriminalization means the removal of laws

Afkriminalisering betyder fjernelse af love

that punitively target the sex industry,

som straffer målrettet sexindustrien,

instead treating sex work much like any other kind of work.

i stedet for at behandle sexarbejde som en anden type arbejde.

In New Zealand, people can work together for safety,

I New Zealand, folk kan arbejde sammen for sikkerhed,

and employers of sex workers are accountable to the state.

og arbejdsgivere for sexarbejdere er ansvarlige overfor staten.

A sex worker can refuse to see a client at any time,

En sexarbejder kan nægte at se en kunde til enhver tid,

for any reason,

af hvilken som helst grund,

and 96 percent of street workers

og 96 % af gadearbejderne

report that they feel the law protects their rights.

siger at de føler at lovene beskytter deres rettigheder.

New Zealand hasn't actually seen an increase

New Zealand har ikke set en forøgelse

in the amount of people doing sex work,

i antallet af folk der laver sexarbejde,

but decriminalizing it has made it a lot safer.

men afkriminaliseringen har gjort det meget sikrere

But the lesson from New Zealand

Så lektien fra New Zealand

isn't just that its particular legislation is good,

er ikke bare at deres lovgivning er god,

but that crucially,

men det afgørende

it was written in collaboration with sex workers;

er at den er skrevet i samarbejde med sexarbejdere

namely, the New Zealand Prostitutes' Collective.

navnlig New Zealands Prostitutes Collective.

When it came to making sex work safer,

Når det drejer sig om at gøre sexarbejde sikre

they were ready to hear it straight from sex workers themselves.

så var der klare til at høre om det fra sexarbejderne selv.

Here in the UK,

Her i UK

I'm part of sex worker-led groups like the Sex Worker Open University

er jeg en del af en sexarbejder ledet gruppe som Sex Workers Open University

and the English Collective of Prostitutes.

og English Collective of Prostitutes

And we form part of a global movement

Og vi er en del af en global bevægelse

demanding decriminalization and self-determination.

der kræver afkriminalisering og selvbestemmelse.

The universal symbol of our movement is the red umbrella.

Det universelle symbol på vores bevægelse er en rød paraply.

We're supported in our demands by global bodies like UNAIDS,

Vi er støttet i vores krav af globale organisationer som UNAIDS,

the World Health Organization

Verdens sundhedsorganisationen

and Amnesty International.

og Amnesty international.

But we need more allies.

Men vi har behov for flere allierede.

If you care about gender equality

Hvis du bekymrer dig om kønslig ligestilling

or poverty or migration or public health,

eller fattigdom eller migration eller offentlig sundhed,

then sex worker rights matter to you.

så er rettigheder for sexarbejdere en sag for dig.

Make space for us in your movements.

Gør plads til os i jeres bevægelser.

That means not only listening to sex workers when we speak

Dette betyder ikke bare at lytte til sexarbejdere når vi taler

but amplifying our voices.

men at forstærke vores stemmer.

Resist those who silence us,

At stå imod dem som vil få os til at tie,

those who say that a prostitute is either too victimized,

dem som siger at prostituerede enten er for offer-gjorte

too damaged to know what's best for herself,

eller for skadede til at vide hvad der er bedst for os selv

or else too privileged

eller er for privilegerede

and too removed from real hardship,

og er for langt væk fra den virkelige verden,

not representative of the millions of voiceless victims.

for at kunne repræsentere millioner af stemmeløse ofre.

This distinction between victim and empowered is imaginary.

Denne skelnen mellem offer og selvrådende er tankespind.

It exists purely to discredit sex workers

Den eksisterer kun for at nedgøre sexarbejdere

and make it easy to ignore us.

og gør det for nemt at ignorere os.

No doubt many of you work for a living.

Ingen tvivl om at mange af jer arbejder for at overleve.

Well, sex work is work, too.

Well, sexarbejde er arbejde også.

Just like you,

Ligesom jer

some of us like our jobs,

mange af os kan lide vores jobs,

some of us hate them.

nogle af os hader det.

Ultimately, most of us have mixed feelings.

Og endeligt de fleste af os har blandende følelser.

But how we feel about our work

Men hvordan vi føler om vores arbejde

isn't the point.

er ikke afgørende

And how others feel about our work certainly isn't.

og hvordan andre føler omkring det er bestemt ikke.

What's important is that we have the right to work safely

Hvad der er vigtigt er at vi har ret til at arbejde sikkert

and on our own terms.

og på vores egen betingelser.

Sex workers are real people.

sexarbejdere er rigtige mennesker.

We've had complicated experiences

Vi har komplicerede oplevelser

and complicated responses to those experiences.

og komplicerede effekter af disse oplevelser.

But our demands are not complicated.

men vores krav er ikke komplicerede.

You can ask expensive escorts in New York City,

Du kan spørge dyre escortpiger i New York City,

brothel workers in Cambodia, street workers in South Africa

bordelarbejdere i Cambodja, gadearbejdere i Sydafrika

and every girl on the roster at my old job in Soho,

og enhver pige på gaden i mit gamle job i Soho,

and they will all tell you the same thing.

og de vil alle sige den samme ting.

You can speak to millions of sex workers

Du kan tale til millioner af sexarbejdere

and countless sex work-led organizations.

og utallige sexarbejder-ledede organisationer.

We want full decriminalization and labor rights as workers.

Vi ønsker fuld afkriminalisering og rettigheder som arbejdere.

I'm just one sex worker on the stage today,

Jeg er bare en sexarbejder på scenen her i dag,

but I'm bringing a message from all over the world.

men jeg bringer et budskab fra hele verdenen.

Thank you.

Mange tak.

(Applause)

(Bifald)