Elaine Morgan says we evolved from aquatic apes

Translator: Vedran Dizdarevic Reviewer: Enis Hrnjic

Well, this is 2009.

Godina je 2009.

And it's the Bicentenary of Charles Darwin.

I dvjestota je godišnjica rođenja Charlesa Darwina.

And all over the world, eminent evolutionists

I po cijelom svijetu, poznati evolucionisti

are anxious to celebrate this.

je uzbuđeno obilježavaju.

And what they're planning to do is to enlighten us

I namjeravaju osvijetliti

on almost every aspect

gotovo svaki aspekt

of Darwin and his life,

Darwina i njegovog života

and how he changed our thinking.

i kako je promijenio način na koji razmišljamo.

I say almost every aspect,

Kažem gotovo svaki aspekt,

because there is one aspect of this story

jer postoji jedan aspekt ove priče

which they have thrown no light on.

koji nisu osvijetlili.

And they seem anxious to skirt around it and step over it

I čini se da ga stalno preskaču i obilaze

and to talk about something else.

kako bi pričali o nečem drugom.

So I'm going to talk about it.

Zato ću ja pričati o tome.

It's the question of, why are we so different from the chimpanzees?

Pitanje je, zašto smo toliko drukčiji od čimpanzi?

We get the geneticists keeping on telling us

Genetičari nam stalno govore

how extremely closely we are related -- hardly any genes of difference,

kako smo izuzetno bliski, skoro bez razlike u genima,

very, very closely related.

vrlo vrlo blisko srodni.

And yet, when you look at the phenotypes,

Opet, kada se pogledaju fenotipovi

there's a chimp, there's a man;

imamo čimpanzu, imamo čovjeka,

they're astoundingly different,

zapanjujuče su različiti,

no resemblance at all.

bez ikakvih sličnosti.

I'm not talking about airy-fairy stuff

Ne govorim o nevidljivim stvarima

about culture or psychology, or behavior.

o kulturi, psihologiji ili ponašanju.

I'm talking about ground-base, nitty-gritty,

Govorim o temeljnim, suštinskim,

measurable physical differences.

mjerljivim fizičkim razlikama.

They, that one,

Onaj je dlakav

is hairy and walking on four legs.

i hoda na četiri noge.

That one is a naked biped. Why?

Ovaj je goli dvonožac. Zašto?

I mean --

Mislim --

(Laughter)

(Smijeh)

if I'm a good Darwinist, I've got to believe

Ako sam dobar darvinist, moram vjerovati

there's a reason for that.

da za to postoji razlog.

If we changed so much, something must have happened.

Ako smo se toliko promijenili, nešto se moralo dogoditi.

What happened?

Šta se dogodilo?

Now 50 years ago, that was a laughably simple question.

Prije 50 godina, to je bilo smiješno jednostavno pitanje.

Everybody knew the answer.

Svi su znali odgovor.

They knew what happened.

Znali su što se dogodilo.

The ancestor of the apes stayed in the trees;

Preci majmuna ostali su u drveću.

our ancestors went out onto the plain.

Naši preci prešli su na ravnicu.

That explained everything.

To je sve objašnjavalo.

We had to get up on our legs to peer over the tall grass,

Morali smo se dići na noge da bi vidjeli preko visoke trave,

or to chase after animals,

ili da bi hvatali životinje,

or to free our hands for weapons.

ili da bi oslobodili ruke za oružje.

And we got so overheated in the chase

I toliko bi se pregrijavali loveći

that we had to take off that fur coat and throw it away.

da smo morali odbaciti svoje krzno.

Everybody knew that, for generations.

To su svi znali, generacijama.

But then, in the '90s, something began to unravel.

Ali onda, devedesetih, nešto se počelo otkrivati.

The paleontologists themselves looked a bit more closely

Paleontolozi su malo pomnije pregledali

at the accompanying microfauna

popratnu mikrofaunu

that lived in the same time and place as the hominids.

koja je živjela u isto vrijeme i na istom mjestu kao i hominidi.

And they weren't savanna species.

I to nisu bila bića savane.

And they looked at the herbivores. And they weren't savanna herbivores.

I pregledali su biljojede. I to nisu bili biljojedi savane.

And then they were so clever, they found a way to analyze

I bili su toliko pametni, da su našli način analiziranja

fossilized pollen.

fosilizovanog polena.

Shock, horror.

Šok, nevjerica.

The fossilized pollen was not of savanna vegetation.

Fosilizovani polen nije dio vegetacije savane.

Some of it even came from lianas,

Dio je čak bio od lijana,

those things that dangle in the middle of the jungle.

onih koje vise svuda po džungli.

So we're left with a situation where

I tako smo došli u situaciju

we know that our earliest ancestors

da znamo kako su se naši najraniji preci

were moving around on four legs in the trees,

kretali na četiri noge po drveću,

before the savanna ecosystem even came into existence.

prije nego što je ekosisitem savane uopšte nastao.

This is not something I've made up.

Ovo nisam ja izmislila

It's not a minority theory.

Ovo nije manjinska teorija.

Everybody agrees with it.

Sa time se svi slažu.

Professor Tobias came over from South Africa

Profesor Tobias je došao iz Južne Afrike

and spoke to University College London.

i govorio na University College-u u Londonu.

He said, "Everything I've been telling you for the last 20 years,

Rekao je, sve što sam vam govorio zadnjih 20 godina,

forget about it. It was wrong.

zanemarite. Pogriješio sam.

We've got to go back to square one and start again."

Moramo se vratiti na početak i početi od početka.

It made him very unpopular. They didn't want to go back to square one.

To ga je učinilo nepopularnim. Nisu se htjeli vratiti na početak.

I mean, it's a terrible thing to happen.

Mislim, to što se dogodilo je grozno.

You've got this beautiful paradigm.

Imate jednu dobru paradigmu.

You've believed it through generations.

Vjerujete u nju generacijama.

Nobody has questioned it.

Nitko ju ne dovodi u pitanje.

You've been constructing fanciful things on top of it,

Nadograđivao si je zgodnim stvarima,

relying on it to be as solid as a rock.

oslanjajući se na nju kao na stijenu.

And now it's whipped away from under you.

I sad ju izvuku pod tobom.

What do you do? What does a scientist do in that case?

I šta napraviš? Šta naučnik u tom slučaju napravi?

Well, we know the answer because

Pa znamo odgovor, jer je

Thomas S. Kuhn

Thomas S. Kuhn

wrote a seminal treatise

napisao poticajnu tezu

about this back in 1962.

o tome 1962.

He said what scientists do

Rekao je da

when a paradigm fails

kada paradigma propadne,

is, guess what -- they carry on as if nothing had happened.

naučnici nastavljaju kao da se ništa nije dogodilo.

(Laughter)

(Smijeh)

If they haven't got a paradigm they can't ask the question.

Ako nemaju paradigmu ne mogu postavljati pitanja.

So they say, "Yes it's wrong,

Pa kažu, "Da, paradigma je kriva,

but supposing it was right ..."

ali da nije ..."

(Laughter)

(Smijeh)

And the only other option open to them

I jedini izbor koji imaju

is to stop asking the questions.

jest da prestanu pitati pitanja.

So that is what they have done now.

I to su i napravili i ovaj put.

That's why you don't hear them talking about it. It's yesterday's question.

Zato ne pričaju o tome. To je prošlo pitanje.

Some of them have even elevated it into a principle.

Neki su čak iz toga napravili i princip.

It's what we ought to be doing.

Time se moramo baviti.

Aaron Filler from Harvard said,

Aaron Filler sa Harvarda je rekao,

"Isn't it time we stopped talking about selective pressures?

"Nije li vrijeme da prestanemo pričati o selekcijskom pritisku?

I mean, why don't we talk about, well, there's chromosomes, and there's genes.

Zašto ne bismo pričali o hromozomima i genima.

And we just record what we see."

Pa da bilježimo ono što vidimo."

Charles Darwin must be spinning in his grave!

Charles Darwin se okreće u grobu!

He knew all about that kind of science.

On je znao sve o takvoj vrsti nauke.

And he called it hypothesis-free science.

On je zvao, nauka bez hipoteza.

And he despised it from the bottom of his heart.

I prezirao je iz dna duše.

And if you're going to say,

I ako kažete,

"I'm going to stop talking about selective pressures,"

"Neću više pričati o selekcijskim pritiscima,"

you can take "The Origin of Species" and throw it out of the window,

možete uzeti "Porijeklo vrsta" i baciti ga kroz prozor.

for it's about nothing else but selective pressures.

Jer u njima piše jedino o selektivnim pritiscima.

And the irony of it is,

A ironija jest u tome,

that this is one occasion of a paradigm collapse

da je ovo rijedak slučaj pada paradigme

where we didn't have to wait for a new paradigm to come up.

kada ne trebamo čekati pojavu nove paradigme.

There was one waiting in the wings.

Postoji jedna i čeka na svoj red.

It had been waiting there since 1960

Čeka u pozadini od 1960.

when Alister Hardy, a marine biologist,

kad je Alister Hardy, morski biolog,

said, "I think what happened,

rekao, "Mislim da su možda,

perhaps our ancestors

naši preci

had a more aquatic existence

dio vremena

for some of the time."

provodili u vodenom okolišu."

He kept it to himself for 30 years.

Držao je to za sebe 30 godina.

But then the press got hold of it and all hell broke loose.

Ali onda su to saznale novine i nastao je haos.

All his colleagues said, "This is outrageous.

Sve njegove kolege rekli su, "Ovo je nečuveno.

You've exposed us to public ridicule!

Izložio si nas javnom ismijavanju!

You must never do that again."

Nikada više to ne smiješ uraditi."

And at that time, it became set in stone:

I od tada je uklesano u kamenu

the aquatic theory should be dumped

vodena teorija se mora odbaciti

with the UFOs and the yetis,

zajedno sa NLO-ima i jetijima,

as part of the lunatic fringe of science.

kao dio ludih teorija u nauci.

Well I don't think that.

Ja nisam tako mislila.

I think that Hardy had a lot going for him.

Mislim da je puno išlo u prilog Hardyevoj tezi.

I'd like to talk about just a handful

Željela bih vam pričati o nekoliko,

of what have been called the

što bi se reklo,

hallmarks of mankind,

znakova čovječanstva.

the things that made us different from everybody else,

Stvari koje nas razlikuju od svih drugih,

and all our relatives.

i od svih naših predaka.

Let's look at our naked skin.

Pogledajmo našu golu kožu.

It's obvious that most of the things we think about

Očito je da većina bića

that have lost their body hair, mammals without body hair,

koja su izgubila dlake na tijelu, sisavci bez tjelesnih dlaka,

are aquatic ones, like the dugong, the walrus,

su vodena bića, kao gugong, morž,

the dolphin, the hippopotamus, the manatee.

delfin, nilski konj, morska krava.

And a couple of wallowers-in-mud like the babirusa.

I nekoliko onih koji se valjaju u blatu, kao babyrousa.

And you're tempted to think, well perhaps,

I vuče vas da pomislite,

could that be why we are naked?

možda su zato goli?

I suggested it and people said, "No no no.

To bih predložila, i ljudi bi rekli, "Ne ne ne.

I mean, look at the elephant.

Pogledaj slona.

You've forgotten all about the elephant haven't you?"

Zaboravila si na slona, zar ne?"

So back in 1982 I said,

Još 1982. sam rekla,

"Well perhaps the elephant had an aquatic ancestor."

"Pa možda slon ima vodenog pretka."

Peals of merry laughter!

Svi su se smijali!

"That crazy woman. She's off again. She'll say anything won't she?"

"Ta luda žena. Opet ona po svome."

But by now, everybody agrees that the elephant had an aquatic ancestor.

Ali sada se svi slažu da je slon imao vodenog pretka.

This has come 'round to be that all those naked pachyderms

I sve se vratilo na to da svi goli debelokošci

have aquatic ancestors.

imaju vodenog pretka.

The last exception was supposed to be the rhinoceros.

Zadnji izuzetak je bio nosorog.

Last year in Florida they found extinct ancestor of a rhinoceros

Lani su na Floridi našli izumrlog pretka nosoroga

and said, "Seems to have spent most of its time in the water."

i rekli, "Čini se da je većinu vremena provodio u vodi."

So this is a close connection between nakedness and water.

Znači postoji bliska veza između golosti i vode.

As an absolute connection, it only works one way.

Ali kao apsolutna veza; radi samo u jednom smjeru.

You can't say all aquatic animals are naked,

Nisu sve vodene životinje gole.

because look at the sea otter.

Jer imamo morsku vidru.

But you can say

Ali može se reći

that every animal that has become naked

da je svaka životinja koja je postala gola

has been conditioned by water, in its own lifetime,

bila uvjetovana vodom, u svojem životnom vijeku

or the lifetime of its ancestors. I think this is significant.

ili životnom vjeku svojih predaka. Mislim da je ovo značajno.

The only exception is the naked Somalian mole-rat,

Jedina iznimka je gola Somalijska krtica.

which never puts its nose above the surface of the ground.

Koja nikada ne izlazi na površinu.

And take bipedality.

Pogledajmo dvonožnost.

Here you can't find anybody to compare it with,

To ne možemo uporediti sa bilo kojom životinjom.

because we're the only animal that walks upright on two legs.

Jer smo jedina životinja koja hoda uspravno na dvije noge.

But you can say this: all the apes and all the monkeys

Ali možemo reći i ovo, svi majmuni

are capable of walking on two legs,

imaju sposobnost hodati na dvije noge,

if they want to, for a short time.

ako žele, na kratko vrijeme.

There is only one circumstance in which they

Postoji samo jedan slučaj u kojem oni,

always, all of them, walk on two legs,

uvijek, svi, hodaju na dvije noge,

and that is when they are wading through water.

a to je kad gaze kroz vodu.

Do you think that's significant?

Mislite li da je to značajno?

David Attenborough thinks it's significant,

David Attenborough misli da je značajno.

as the possible beginning of our bipedalism.

Kao mogući začetak dvonožnosti.

Look at the fat layer.

Pogledajmo sloj sala.

We have got, under our skin, a layer of fat, all over:

Pod kožom imamo sloj sala, posvuda.

nothing in the least like that in any other primate.

Ništa kao bilo koji drugi primat.

Why should it be there?

Zašto ga imamo?

Well they do know, that if you look at other aquatic mammals,

Znaju, da ako pogledamo druge vodene sisavce,

the fat that in most land mammals

salo koje je kod kopnenih sisavaca

is deposited inside the body wall,

naslagano unutar tijela,

around the kidneys and the intestines and so on,

oko bubrega, crijeva i slično,

has started to migrate to the outside,

se počelo kretati prema van,

and spread out in a layer inside the skin.

te se nataložilo u sloju pod kožom.

In the whale it's complete:

Kod kita je prešlo do kraja.

no fat inside at all, all in blubber outside.

Nema sala unutra, svo je vani pod kožom.

We cannot avoid the suspicion

Ne možemo zaobići pretpostavku

that in our case it's started to happen.

da se to kod nas počelo događati.

We have got skin lined with this layer.

Imamo sloj koji leži pod kožom.

It's the only possible explanation of why humans,

To je jedino moguće objašnjenje zašto ljudi,

if they're very unlucky,

ako nemaju sreće,

can become grossly obese,

mogu postati pretjerano gojazni,

in a way that would be totally impossible for any other primate, physically impossible.

na način koji je fizički nemoguć kod bilo kojeg drugog primata.

Something very odd, matter-of-factly, never explained.

To je nešto vrlo čudno, i nikad objašnjeno.

The question of why we can speak.

Pitanje zašto mi možemo govoriti.

We can speak.

Možemo govoriti.

And the gorilla can't speak. Why?

A gorila ne može. Zašto?

Nothing to do with his teeth or his tongue or his lungs or anything like that --

To nema veze sa njezinim zubima, jezikom, plućima ili tako nečim.

purely has to do with its conscious control of its breath.

To ima veze sa svjesnim kontroliranjem disanja.

You can't even train a gorilla to say "Ah" on request.

Gorilu se ne može naučiti niti da kaže "Ah" na komandu.

The only creatures that have got conscious control of their breath

Jedina bića koja imaju svjesnu kontrolu disanja

are the diving animals and the diving birds.

su životinje i ptice koje rone.

It was an absolute precondition for our being able to speak.

To je apsolutni preduslov za mogućnost govora.

And then again, there is the fact that we are streamlined.

Postoji i činjenica da smo aerodinamični.

Trying to imagine a diver

Pokušajte zamisliti skakača u vodi

diving into water -- hardly makes a splash.

koji kod ulaska u vodu jedva zapljusne.

Try to imagine a gorilla

Pokušajte zamisliti gorilu

performing the same maneuver,

da to isto napravi.

and you can see that, compared with gorilla,

Možete vidjeti da je naša građa, u porđenju sa gorilom,

we are halfway to being shaped like a fish.

na pola puta da smo građeni kao riba.

I am trying to suggest that, for 40-odd years,

Pokušavam reći da je već 40tak godina,

this aquatic idea has been miscategorized as lunatic fringe,

ova vodena teorija pogrešno kategorizirana kao luda ideja,

and it is not lunatic fringe.

a nije luda ideja.

And the ironic thing about it is that

A ironija je u tome da

they are not staving off the aquatic theory

oni ne sprječavaju vodenu teoriju

to protect a theory of their own,

da bi zaštitili svoju teoriju,

which they've all agreed on, and they love.

s kojom se svi slažu i svi vole.

There is nothing there.

Te teorije nema.

They are staving off the aquatic theory

Oni sprječavaju vodenu teoriju

to protect a vacuum.

kako bi zaštitili vakuum.

(Laughter)

(Smijeh)

(Applause)

(Pljesak)

How do they react when I say these things?

Kako reaguju kad kažem ove stvari?

One very common reaction I've heard about 20 times

Česta reakcija koju sam čula dvadesetak puta

is, "But it was investigated.

je, "Ali to je istraženo.

They conducted a serious investigation of this at the beginning,

Provodili su ozbiljne studije o ovome na početku,

when Hardy put forward his article."

kad je Hardy izdao svoj članak."

I don't believe it.

Ne vjerujem u to.

For 35 years I've been looking for any evidence

35 godina sam tražila dokaze

of any incident of that kind,

o takvom slučaju

and I've concluded that that's one of the urban myths.

i zaključila sam, da je to urbani mit.

It's never been done.

To se nikad nije dogodilo.

I ask people sometimes, and they say,

Ponekad pitam ljude, i oni kažu,

"I like the aquatic theory!

"Sviđa mi se vodena teorija!

Everybody likes the aquatic theory.

Svima se sviđa vodena teorija.

Of course they don't believe it, but they like it."

Naravno da ne vjeruju u nju, ali im se sviđa."

Well I say, "Why do you think it's rubbish?"

Onda ih pitam, "Zašto misliš da je pogrešna?"

They say "Well ...

Oni kažu "Pa ...

everybody I talk to says it's rubbish.

svi sa kojima pričam kažu da je pogrešna.

And they can't all be wrong, can they?"

A ne mogu svi biti u krivu, zar ne?"

The answer to that, loud and clear, is, "Yes! They can all be wrong."

Odgovor na to, jasan i glasan, je, "Da! Mogu svi biti u krivu."

History is strewn with the cases when they've all got it wrong.

Historija je prepuna slučajeva kad su svi u krivu.

(Applause)

(Pljesak)

And if you've got a scientific problem like that,

I kada imate naučni problem poput ovoga,

you can't solve it by holding a head count,

ne možete ga riješiti brojeći glasove,

and saying, "More of us say yes than say no."

i zaključivanjem, "Više nas kaže da nego ne."

(Laughter)

(Smijeh)

Apart from that, some of the heads count more than others.

Osim toga, neki glasovi znače više od drugih.

Some of them have come over.

Neki su promjenili stranu.

There was Professor Tobias. He's come over.

Kao Profesor Tobias. On je promjenio stranu.

Daniel Dennett, he's come over.

Daniel Dennett, on je promjenio stranu.

Sir David Attenborough, he's come over.

Sir David Attenborough, on je promjenio stranu.

Anybody else out there? Come on in.

Još neko? Slobodno uđite.

The water is lovely.

Voda je ugodna.

(Applause)

(Pljesak)

And now we've got to look to the future.

Sad moramo pogledati prema budućnosti.

Ultimately one of three things is going to happen.

Na kraju će se dogoditi jedna od tri stvari.

Either they will go on for the next 40 years, 50 years, 60 years.

Nastaviti će ovako slijedećih 40, 50, 60 godina.

"Yeah well we don't talk about that. Let's talk about something interesting."

"Nećemo pričati o tome. Pričajmo o nečemu zanimljivom."

That would be very sad.

To bi bilo jako tužno.

The second thing that could happen

Druga stvar koja bi se mogla dogoditi

is that some young genius will arrive,

jest da dođe kakav mladi genije,

and say, "I've found it.

i kaže, "Našao sam.

It was not the savanna, it was not the water, it was this!"

Nije bila savana, nije bila voda, bilo je ovo!"

No sign of that happening either.

Nema naznake da će se to dogoditi.

I don't think there is a third option.

Mislim da nema treće opcije.

So the third thing that might happen is

Pa bi treća stvar koja bi se dogodila mogla biti

a very beautiful thing.

jedna jako lijepa stvar.

If you look back at the early years of the last century,

Ako pogledamo unazad na rane godine prošlog stoljeća,

there was a stand-off, a lot of bickering and bad feeling

imali smo svađe i nerazumjevanje

between the believers in Mendel,

između pobornika Mendela,

and the believers in Darwin.

i pobornika Darwina.

It ended with a new synthesis:

Završilo je novom sintezom.

Darwin's ideas and Mendel's ideas

Darwinove i Mendelove ideje

blending together.

stopile su se u jednu.

And I think the same thing will happen here.

I mislim da će se isto dogoditi ovdje.

You'll get a new synthesis.

Dobit ćemo novu sintezu.

Hardy's ideas and Darwin's ideas

Hardyeve i Darwinove ideje

will be blended together.

stopit će se u jednu.

And we can move forward from there,

I onda možemo krenuti dalje,

and really get somewhere.

i stvarno doći nekuda.

That would be a beautiful thing.

To bi bilo jako lijepo.

It would be very nice for me if it happened soon.

Meni bi bilo drago da se to desi uskoro.

(Laughter)

(Smijeh)

Because I'm older now than George Burns was when he said,

Jer sam starija od George Burnsa kad je rekao,

"At my age, I don't even buy green bananas."

"U mojim godinama, više ne kupujem ni zelene banane."

(Laughter)

(Smijeh)

So if it's going to come and it's going to happen,

Zato ako će se to desiti,

what's holding it up?

šta ga zadržava?

I can tell you that in three words.

Mogu vam to reći u tri riječi.

Academia says no.

Akademija kaže ne.

They decided in 1960,

Odlučili su 1960.,

"That belongs with the UFOs and the yetis."

"To spada sa NLO-ima i jetijima."

And it's not easy to change their minds.

A nije lako promijeniti njihovo mišljenje.

The professional journals

Naučni časopisi

won't touch it with a barge pole.

neće to dirnuti ni štapom.

The textbooks don't mention it.

Udžbenici to ne spominju.

The syllabus doesn't mention even the fact that we're naked,

U nastavnom planu se ne spominje niti to da smo goli,

let alone look for a reason to it.

a kamoli da traže razlog za to.

"Horizon," which takes its cue from the academics,

TV emisijia "Horizon", koja sluša samo akademiju,

won't touch it with a barge pole.

to ne želi dirati ni štapom.

So we never hear the case put for it,

Zato nikada ne čujemo za taj slučaj,

except in jocular references

osim u šaljivim referencama

to people on the lunatic fringe.

na račun ljudi na granici ludila.

I don't know quite where this diktat comes from.

Ne znam otkuda dolazi ovaj diktat.

Somebody up there

Neko odozgo

is issuing the commandment,

daje naredbe,

"Thou shalt not believe in the aquatic theory.

"Ne smiješ vjerovati u vodenu teoriju."

And if you hope to make progress in this profession,

I ako se nadaš napretku u ovom zanimanju,

and you do believe it, you'd better keep it to yourself,

i vjeruješ u to, bolje da držiš to za sebe.

because it will get in your way."

Jer će ti to smetati u napretku.

So I get the impression that some parts

Zato imam osjećaj da se neki dijelovi

of the scientific establishment

naučnog establišmenta

are morphing into a kind of priesthood.

pretvaraju u neku vrstu sveštenstva.

But you know, that makes me feel good,

Ali znate, to me čini sretnom.

because Richard Dawkins has told us

Jer Richard Dawkins je rekao

how to treat a priesthood.

kako se odnosi prema sveštenstvu.

(Laughter)

(Smjeh)

He says, "Firstly, you've got to refuse to give it

Rekao je, "Prvo im moraš uskratiti

all the excessive awe and reverence

svo strahopoštovanje

it's been trained to receive."

na koje su naučeni."

Right. I'll go ahead with that.

Dobro. To ću napraviti.

And secondly, he says,

I drugo, kaže,

"You must never be afraid to rock the boat."

"Nikada se ne smiješ bojati dići prašinu."

I'll go along with that too.

I to ću napraviti.

Thank you very much.

Puno vam hvala.

(Applause)

(Pljesak)