Our story of rape and reconciliation | Thordis Elva and Tom Stranger
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譯者: Lilian Chiu
審譯者: DAISI CHEN
00:11
[This talk contains graphic language
and descriptions of sexual violence
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(本演講含有性暴力的圖像及描述,
建議觀眾斟酌考量。)
00:15
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00:16
Tom Stranger: In 1996,
when I was 18 years old,
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湯姆斯特蘭傑:
1996 年,我 18 歲時,
00:19
I had the golden opportunity to go
on an international exchange program.
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我有個絕佳機會能夠參加
一項國際交換學生計畫。
00:23
Ironically I'm an Australian
who prefers proper icy cold weather,
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諷刺的是,我是澳洲人,
卻偏好冰冷的天氣。
00:27
so I was both excited and tearful
when I got on a plane to Iceland,
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因此當我剛跟父母與兄弟告別完,
搭上飛往冰島的飛機,
心情是又興奮又傷心的。
00:32
after just having farewelled
my parents and brothers goodbye.
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00:36
I was welcomed into the home
of a beautiful Icelandic family
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迎接我的是一個美好的冰島家庭,
00:39
who took me hiking,
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他們帶我去健行,
00:41
and helped me get a grasp
of the melodic Icelandic language.
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並幫助我了解優美的冰島語言。
00:45
I struggled a bit with the initial
period of homesickness.
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我在剛到這裡的時候很想家。
00:48
I snowboarded after school,
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我在放學後會去滑雪,
00:50
and I slept a lot.
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而且睡很多覺。
00:52
Two hours of chemistry class in a language
that you don't yet fully understand
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兩個小時的化學課,
用我還無法完全理解的語言來講授,
00:56
can be a pretty good sedative.
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是種很好的鎮靜劑。
00:58
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
01:00
My teacher recommended
I try out for the school play,
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我的老師建議我
嘗試學校的戲劇表演,
01:03
just to get me a bit more socially active.
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只是想讓我在社交上更積極些。
01:05
It turns out I didn't end up
being part of the play,
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最後,我沒有在劇中演出任何角色,
01:08
but through it I met Thordis.
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但透過這個機緣,
我遇到了索爾蒂絲。
01:11
We shared a lovely teenage romance,
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我們共渡了浪漫青春,
01:13
and we'd meet at lunchtimes
to just hold hands
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我們在午餐時間見面,手牽手,
01:15
and walk around old downtown Reykjavík.
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在雷克雅維克的古老鬧區散步。
01:18
I met her welcoming family,
and she met my friends.
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我見了她那熱情的家庭,
她也見了我的朋友。
01:22
We'd been in a budding relationship
for a bit over a month
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我們的萌芽期關係
持續了一個多月時間,
01:25
when our school's Christmas Ball was held.
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這時學校正要舉辦聖誕舞會。
01:29
Thordis Elva: I was 16
and in love for the first time.
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索爾蒂絲艾娃:
我當時 16 歲,那是我的初戀。
01:33
Going together to the Christmas dance
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一起去參加聖誕舞會
01:35
was a public confirmation
of our relationship,
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就是在公開確認我們的關係,
01:38
and I felt like the luckiest
girl in the world.
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我覺得自己是世界上最幸運的女生。
01:41
No longer a child, but a young woman.
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我不再是個小女孩,
而是個年輕女子。
01:44
High on my newfound maturity,
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剛剛轉成熟,我還很興奮,
01:46
I felt it was only natural to try drinking
rum for the first time that night, too.
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我也覺得在那晚第一次嘗試
喝蘭姆酒是很自然的。
01:51
That was a bad idea.
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那真是個壞主意。
01:53
I became very ill,
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我變得很不舒服,
01:54
drifting in and out of consciousness
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在每次突發的嘔吐之間,
01:56
in between spasms of convulsive vomiting.
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我的意識時而清醒時而恍惚。
01:59
The security guards wanted
to call me an ambulance,
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保全人員想幫我叫救護車,
02:02
but Tom acted as my knight
in shining armor,
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但湯姆扮演起我的白馬王子,
02:05
and told them he'd take me home.
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他告訴他們,他會帶我回家。
02:08
It was like a fairy tale,
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就像童話故事一樣,
02:10
his strong arms around me,
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他強壯的手臂摟著我,
02:12
laying me in the safety of my bed.
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扶著我直到我安全地躺在床上。
02:15
But the gratitude that I felt
towards him soon turned to horror
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但我對他的感激,很快轉變成恐懼,
02:19
as he proceeded to take off my clothes
and get on top of me.
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因為他開始脫掉我的衣服,
爬到我身上。
02:25
My head had cleared up,
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我的頭腦清醒了,
02:26
but my body was still
too weak to fight back,
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但我的身體還是太虛弱,無法反擊,
02:29
and the pain was blinding.
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痛楚讓我視線模糊。
02:32
I thought I'd be severed in two.
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我覺得我會被撕裂成兩半。
02:35
In order to stay sane,
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為了保持理智,
02:37
I silently counted the seconds
on my alarm clock.
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我默默地聽著時鐘,計算著每一秒。
02:41
And ever since that night,
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從那天晚上之後,
02:43
I've known that there are 7,200
seconds in two hours.
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我就知道了兩小時共有 7200 秒。
02:50
Despite limping for days
and crying for weeks,
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儘管我跛行了好幾天、
哭了好幾週之外,
02:54
this incident didn't fit my ideas
about rape like I'd seen on TV.
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這個事件跟我在電視上
看到的強暴概念並不相符。
02:59
Tom wasn't an armed lunatic;
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湯姆並不是有武裝的瘋子;
03:01
he was my boyfriend.
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他是我的男朋友。
03:03
And it didn't happen in a seedy alleyway,
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且這件事並不是
發生在骯髒的小巷裡,
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it happened in my own bed.
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而是在我自己的床上。
03:08
By the time I could identify
what had happened to me as rape,
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等到我能確認
我遇到的事就是強暴時,
03:12
he had completed his exchange program
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他已經完成了交換學生計畫,
03:14
and left for Australia.
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離開冰島回澳洲。
03:16
So I told myself it was pointless
to address what had happened.
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所以我告訴自己,
再提這件事也沒有意義。
03:20
And besides,
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此外,
03:21
it had to have been my fault, somehow.
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不知怎麼的,我總覺得這是我的錯。
03:24
I was raised in a world
where girls are taught
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在我成長的世界中,
女孩們被教導的是,
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that they get raped for a reason.
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女孩被強暴一定是有理由的。
03:29
Their skirt was too short,
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一定是她們的裙子太短了,
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their smile was too wide,
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她們笑容得太大了,
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their breath smelled of alcohol.
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她們的口氣中有酒精的味道。
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And I was guilty of all of those things,
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以上這些,我都有罪,
03:40
so the shame had to be mine.
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所以這羞辱是我罪有應得。
03:43
It took me years to realize
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我花了好多年才了解,
03:44
that only one thing could have stopped me
from being raped that night,
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只有一樣東西能阻止
我在那晚被強暴,
03:48
and it wasn't my skirt,
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而那東西並不是我的裙子,
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it wasn't my smile,
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不是我的笑容,
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it wasn't my childish trust.
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不是我幼稚的信任。
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The only thing that could've stopped me
from being raped that night
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能阻止我在那晚被強暴的,
03:59
is the man who raped me --
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只有強暴我的男人,
04:01
had he stopped himself.
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如果他能制止他自己。
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TS: I have vague memories of the next day:
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湯姆:我隔天的記憶很模糊:
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the after effects of drinking,
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這是喝酒的後果,
04:09
a certain hollowness
that I tried to stifle.
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是我試圖抑止的一種空虛感。
04:13
Nothing more.
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其他什麼都沒有。
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But I didn't show up at Thordis's door.
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但我沒有去索爾蒂絲家找她。
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It is important to now state
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現在,很重要的是要說明,
04:21
that I didn't see my deed for what it was.
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我當時並不清楚自己做的是什麼。
04:24
The word "rape" didn't echo
around my mind as it should've,
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「強暴」這個詞並沒有在
我腦中迴盪,雖然它應該要。
04:28
and I wasn't crucifying myself
with memories of the night before.
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而我也沒有因前晚的記憶
而嚴厲斥責我自己。
04:33
It wasn't so much a conscious refusal,
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它不太像是一種有意識的拒絕,
04:35
it was more like any acknowledgment
of reality was forbidden.
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比較像是…承認現實是被禁止的。
04:40
My definition of my actions completely
refuted any recognition
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我對我的行為所做的定義,
可說是完全否認了
我對索爾蒂絲造成的巨大創傷。
04:44
of the immense trauma I caused Thordis.
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04:48
To be honest,
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老實說,
04:49
I repudiated the entire act
in the days afterwards
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在之後的日子裡,
我拒絕承認這個行為,
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and when I was committing it.
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在我做出這件事的當下也拒絕承認。
04:57
I disavowed the truth by convincing
myself it was sex and not rape.
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我說服自己,那是性愛而非強暴,
用這方式來否認真相。
05:02
And this is a lie I've felt
spine-bending guilt for.
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而這是個謊言,讓我一直
感到極度罪惡的謊言。
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I broke up with Thordis
a couple of days later,
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幾天之後我跟索爾蒂絲分手了,
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and then saw her a number of times
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我在冰鳥的那年,
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during the remainder
of my year in Iceland,
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後來還見過她幾次。
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feeling a sharp stab
of heavyheartedness each time.
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每次見到她,都感悲哀的銳利一刺。
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Deep down, I knew I'd done
something immeasurably wrong.
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在內心深處,
我知道我犯下了極大的錯誤。
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But without planning it,
I sunk the memories deep,
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但我沒有刻意計畫,
就自動讓記憶沉入心底,
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and then I tied a rock to them.
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還將它綁在一顆大石頭上。
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What followed is a nine-year period
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接下來的九年,
05:31
that can best be titled
as "Denial and Running."
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最適合被稱為「否認和逃跑」期。
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When I got a chance to identify
the real torment that I caused,
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當我有機會可以去確認
我造成的巨大痛苦時,
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I didn't stand still long enough to do so.
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我卻選擇逃走而不去確認。
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Whether it be via distraction,
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不管是透過什麼方式,如分散注意力、
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substance use,
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使用違禁品、
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thrill-seeking
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尋求刺激,
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or the scrupulous policing
of my inner speak,
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或謹慎守好我內在的舵輪,
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I refused to be static and silent.
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我拒絕保持靜止和沉默。
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And with this noise,
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因為有這雜音,
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I also drew heavily
upon other parts of my life
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我更深深仰賴我生活中的其他部分,
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to construct a picture of who I was.
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來建構出我是誰的形象。
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I was a surfer,
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我曾是衝浪客、
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a social science student,
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社會科學學生、
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a friend to good people,
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一些好人的朋友、
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a loved brother and son,
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被愛的兄弟和兒子、
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an outdoor recreation guide,
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戶外活動指導員,
06:13
and eventually, a youth worker.
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最終,成了服務青年的社會工作者。
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I gripped tight to the simple notion
that I wasn't a bad person.
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我緊緊抓住
「我不是壞人」的簡單想法。
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I didn't think I had this in my bones.
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我不認為這是我的本性。
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I thought I was made up of something else.
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我認為我的本性是其他東西。
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In my nurtured upbringing,
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在我被養育長大的過程中,
06:28
my loving extended family and role models,
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我慈愛的家人跟典範,
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people close to me were warm and genuine
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跟我很親的人在對女性展現尊重時
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in their respect shown towards women.
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都很溫暖真誠。
06:36
It took me a long time to stare down
this dark corner of myself,
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我花了很長一段時間,才敢
正視我自己的這個黑暗角落,
06:41
and to ask it questions.
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對它問問題。
06:46
TE: Nine years after the Christmas dance,
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索:聖誕節舞會的九年後,
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I was 25 years old,
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我二十五歲,
06:49
and headed straight
for a nervous breakdown.
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直直朝精神崩潰邁進。
06:52
My self-worth was buried
under a soul-crushing load of silence
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我的自我價值被埋在
足以壓碎靈魂的沈默重擔之下,
06:56
that isolated me from everyone
that I cared about,
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這在我跟我關心的
每個人之間建立了隔閡,
06:59
and I was consumed
with misplaced hatred and anger
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我對自己感到憎恨和憤怒,
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that I took out on myself.
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而這弄錯對象的
憎恨和憤怒吞噬著我。
07:05
One day, I stormed out
of the door in tears
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有一天,我哭著衝出門,
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after a fight with a loved one,
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因為我跟我愛的人吵了一架,
07:10
and I wandered into a café,
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我晃到了一間咖啡廳,
07:11
where I asked the waitress for a pen.
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在那裡我跟女服務生要了一支筆。
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I always had a notebook with me,
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我都會隨身著筆記本,
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claiming that it was to jot down ideas
in moments of inspiration,
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宣稱它是用來快速記下乍現的靈光,
07:20
but the truth was that I needed
to be constantly fidgeting,
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但事實是,我需要保持
坐立不安的狀態,
07:24
because in moments of stillness,
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因為在靜止的時刻,
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I found myself counting seconds again.
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我發現我又會開始數秒數。
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But that day, I watched in wonder
as the words streamed out of my pen,
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但,那天,我驚奇地看著
我筆下揮灑出的文字,
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forming the most pivotal letter
I've ever written,
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形成了我所寫過最關鍵性的一封信,
07:38
addressed to Tom.
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收件人是湯姆。
07:40
Along with an account of the violence
that he subjected me to,
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內容描述他讓我遭受的暴力,
07:43
the words, "I want to find forgiveness"
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「我想找到寬恕」這幾個字
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stared back at me,
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回望著我,
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surprising nobody more than myself.
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沒有人比我更驚訝了。
07:51
But deep down I realized that this
was my way out of my suffering,
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但內心深處,我知道
這是我脫離苦難的路,
07:56
because regardless of whether or not
he deserved my forgiveness,
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因為不論他是否應該得到我的寬恕,
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I deserved peace.
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我都應該得到平靜。
08:03
My era of shame was over.
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我的羞愧時期結束了。
08:07
Before sending the letter,
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寄出這封信之前,
08:09
I prepared myself for all kinds
of negative responses,
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我讓自己準備好
面對各種可能的負面回應,
08:12
or what I found likeliest:
no response whatsoever.
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或最有可能的情況:沒有回應。
08:17
The only outcome
that I didn't prepare myself for
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只有一個結果是我沒準備要面對的,
08:19
was the one that I then got --
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它卻發生了。
08:22
a typed confession from Tom,
full of disarming regret.
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湯姆用打字回覆的自白信,
內容盡是悔恨,讓我的氣都消了。
08:27
As it turns out, he, too,
had been imprisoned by silence.
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結果發現,他也一直
被沈默給禁錮著。
08:32
And this marked the start
of an eight-year-long correspondence
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這開始了一段長達
八年之久的書信往來,
08:36
that God knows was never easy,
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天知道這一點也不容易,
08:38
but always honest.
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但永遠要誠實。
08:41
I relieved myself of the burdens
that I'd wrongfully shouldered,
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我放下了我誤扛起的重擔,
08:45
and he, in turn, wholeheartedly
owned up to what he'd done.
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而他,則全心全意坦承他所做的事。
08:49
Our written exchanges became a platform
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我們的書面交流成了一個平台,
08:51
to dissect the consequences of that night,
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用來仔細分析那晚的後果,
08:54
and they were everything
from gut-wrenching
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所有的後果都談了,從摧心裂肝
08:56
to healing beyond words.
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到文字無法形容的療癒。
08:59
And yet, it didn't bring about
closure for me.
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然而,它並沒有為我
將此事畫上句點。
09:04
Perhaps because the email format
didn't feel personal enough,
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或許是因為我覺得電子郵件的形式
沒有足夠的親身感,
09:07
perhaps because it's easy to be brave
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或許是因為當你身在地球的另一端
09:09
when you're hiding behind a computer
screen on the other side of the planet.
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躲在電腦後面時,
要表現勇敢是比較容易的。
09:13
But we'd begun a dialogue
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但我們開始了對話,
09:15
that I felt was necessary
to explore to its fullest.
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我認為若要充分探索這件事,
這種對話是必要的。
09:19
So, after eight years of writing,
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所以,通信八年之後,
09:21
and nearly 16 years after that dire night,
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也就是那可怕夜晚的約十六年之後,
09:25
I mustered the courage
to propose a wild idea:
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我鼓起勇氣,提出一個狂野的想法:
09:29
that we'd meet up in person
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讓我們親自見面,
09:31
and face our past once and for all.
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一勞永逸面對我們的過去。
09:36
TS: Iceland and Australia
are geographically like this.
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湯:冰島和澳洲在
地理上的位置就像這樣。
09:41
In the middle of the two is South Africa.
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兩個國家的中間是南非。
09:43
We decided upon the city of Cape Town,
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我們決定選擇開普敦,
09:46
and there we met for one week.
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在那裡碰面一週。
09:50
The city itself proved to be
a stunningly powerful environment
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事實證明,若想要
專注在和解和寬恕,
09:53
to focus on reconciliation
and forgiveness.
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這座城市是個極強大的環境。
09:57
Nowhere else has healing
and rapprochement been tested
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沒有其他地方像南非這樣,
和解和調解都經過了如此的測試。
10:00
like it has in South Africa.
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10:02
As a nation, South Africa sought
to sit within the truth of its past,
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就一個國家而言,南非尋求的
是面對過去的真相,
10:06
and to listen to the details
of its history.
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並傾聽其歷史的種種細節。
10:10
Knowing this only magnified the effect
that Cape Town had on us.
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知道這一點,只是放大了
開普敦對我們的影響。
10:15
Over the course of this week,
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在這一週的過程中,
10:17
we literally spoke
our life stories to each other,
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我們真的跟彼此分享了
自己的人生故事,
10:20
from start to finish.
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從頭到尾都分享了。
10:23
And this was about analyzing
our own history.
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重點是在分析我們自己的歷史。
10:27
We followed a strict policy
of being honest,
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我們遵守一條嚴格的政策:要誠實。
10:30
and this also came
with a certain exposure,
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這就會伴隨著某些事實的揭露,
10:33
an open-chested vulnerability.
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打開心胸,不再隱藏自己的脆弱。
10:36
There were gutting confessions,
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過程有著發自深處的懺悔,
10:38
and moments where we just
absolutely couldn't fathom
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有些時候,我們就是怎樣都無法
理解對方所經歷的。
10:41
the other person's experience.
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10:44
The seismic effects of sexual violence
were spoken aloud and felt,
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性暴力的重大影響被
大聲說出來、被感受到了,
10:48
face to face.
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且是面對面的情況下。
10:51
At other times, though,
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不過,其他時候,
10:53
we found a soaring clarity,
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我們的思想變得相當清楚,
10:56
and even some totally unexpected
but liberating laughter.
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甚至會解放地有說有笑,
這完全不在預期之中。
11:03
When it came down to it,
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談到這件事時,
11:04
we did out best to listen
to each other intently.
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我們都盡自己的力,
專心傾聽了彼此。
11:09
And our individual realities
were aired with an unfiltered purity
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未被過濾的純淨,
暢通了我們個別的現實,
11:15
that couldn't do any less
than lighten the soul.
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這純淨點亮了我們的靈魂。
11:20
TE: Wanting to take revenge
is a very human emotion --
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索:想要報復是人都會有的情緒,
11:24
instinctual, even.
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甚至可以說是本能。
11:26
And all I wanted to do for years
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多年來,我一直想做的是
11:28
was to hurt Tom back as deeply
as he had hurt me.
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用同樣重傷的方式來回敬他。
11:33
But had I not found a way
out of the hatred and anger,
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但若我當初沒有找到方式
擺脫憎恨及憤怒,
11:36
I'm not sure I'd be standing here today.
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我不確定今天我是否會站在這裡。
11:39
That isn't to say that I didn't have
my doubts along the way.
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那並不是說我一路走來
都沒有懷疑過。
11:44
When the plane bounced
on that landing strip in Cape Town,
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但當飛機顛簸地降落在開普敦時,
11:48
I remember thinking,
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我記得我那時在想,
11:49
"Why did I not just get myself
a therapist and a bottle of vodka
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「我為何不跟正常人一樣,
找個心理治療師跟
一瓶伏特加就好了?」
11:54
like a normal person would do?"
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11:56
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
11:59
At times, our search
for understanding in Cape Town
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有時,我們在開普敦尋求了解的過程
12:02
felt like an impossible quest,
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感覺就像是趟不可能的追尋。
12:04
and all I wanted to do was to give up
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而我所想做的就只有放棄,
12:06
and go home to my loving
husband, Vidir,
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然後回家,回到珍愛我的老公維德
12:09
and our son.
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及我們的兒子身邊。
12:11
But despite our difficulties,
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但儘管我們遇到困難,
12:14
this journey did result
in a victorious feeling
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這趟旅程確造成了一種凱旋的感覺,
12:18
that light had triumphed over darkness,
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光明戰勝了黑暗的感覺,
12:22
that something constructive
could be built out of the ruins.
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在斷垣殘壁中也能建造出
有建設性的東西。
12:28
I read somewhere
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我在某處讀到的:
12:29
that you should try and be the person
that you needed when you were younger.
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你應該試著成為
你過去需要的那個人。
12:33
And back when I was a teenager,
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在我還是青少女時,
12:35
I would have needed to know
that the shame wasn't mine,
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其實我當時很需要知道的是:
該羞恥的人不是我,
12:39
that there's hope after rape,
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在強暴之後仍然有希望,
12:41
that you can even find happiness,
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你甚至可以找幸福,
12:43
like I share with my husband today.
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就像我現在跟老公之間的幸福。
12:45
Which is why I started writing feverishly
upon my return from Cape Town,
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這就是為何從開普敦回來後,
我就開始狂熱地寫作,
12:50
resulting in a book co-authored by Tom,
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產物就是我和湯姆
共同寫出的一本書,
12:52
that we hope can be of use
to people from both ends
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我們希望在「行兇者-倖存者」
12:56
of the perpetrator-survivor scale.
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天平兩端的人,
都可以用得到這本書。
12:59
If nothing else,
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如果不是別的,
13:00
it's a story that we would've needed
to hear when we were younger.
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這本書至少是我們更早先時
應該要聽到的故事。
13:06
Given the nature of our story,
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因為我們這個故事的本質,
13:08
I know the words
that inevitably accompany it --
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我知道會有些無法避免用到的字眼
13:11
victim, rapist --
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──受害者、強暴犯──
13:14
and labels are a way to organize concepts,
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貼上這些標籤是可以
整理概念的一種方式,
13:16
but they can also be dehumanizing
in their connotations.
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但它們背後的暗示
也可能導致人性的喪失。
13:21
Once someone's been deemed a victim,
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一旦某個人被視為是受害者時,
13:23
it's that much easier to file them away
as someone damaged,
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就很容易將他歸類為受損的人、
13:29
dishonored,
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不名譽的人、
13:30
less than.
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比較差的人。
13:32
And likewise, once someone
has been branded a rapist,
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同樣,一旦某個人被
冠上強暴犯的污名,
13:35
it's that much easier
to call him a monster --
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就很容易可以稱他為怪物,
13:38
inhuman.
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毫無人性。
13:40
But how will we understand
what it is in human societies
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但我們怎會知道,在人類的社會中,
13:43
that produces violence
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是什麼造成暴力的,
13:45
if we refuse to recognize
the humanity of those who commit it?
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如果我們拒絕承認
這些犯罪者也是有人性的?
13:50
And how --
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我們如何
13:51
(Applause)
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(掌聲)
13:53
And how can we empower survivors
if we're making them feel less than?
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如果我們讓倖存者覺得一文不值,
該如何給予他們自主權?
13:59
How can we discuss solutions
to one of the biggest threats
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我們如何能討論要用什麼方式來解決
14:03
to the lives of women and children
around the world,
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全世界女性和孩童在生活中
面臨的最大威脅之一,
14:06
if the very words we use
are part of the problem?
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如果我們自己使用的字詞
本身就是問題的一部分?
14:13
TS: From what I've now learnt,
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湯:根據我所學到的,
14:16
my actions that night in 1996
were a self-centered taking.
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1996 年那晚,我的行為
是自我中心使然,
14:21
I felt deserving of Thordis's body.
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我覺得索爾蒂絲的身體
本來就該是我的。
14:25
I've had primarily positive
social influences
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我身邊接觸到的
通常都是正面的社會影響,
14:28
and examples of equitable
behavior around me.
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以及公正行為的榜樣。
14:31
But on that occasion,
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但在那個場合,
14:32
I chose to draw upon the negative ones.
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我做了負面的選擇。
14:35
The ones that see women
as having less intrinsic worth,
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我選擇看輕女性的內在價值,
14:39
and of men having some unspoken
and symbolic claim to their bodies.
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認為男性對於女性的身體,
有著心照不宣跟象徵性的所有權。
14:45
These influences I speak of
are external to me, though.
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不過,我說的這些影響
對我而言都是外在影響。
14:49
And it was only me in that room
making choices,
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在那個房間中,
只有我是能做選擇的人,
14:52
nobody else.
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只有我。
14:54
When you own something
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當你擁有某樣東西,
14:56
and really square up to your culpability,
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且能真正果敢地面對
應承擔的罪責時,
15:00
I do think a surprising thing can happen.
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我確實相信驚人的事
是有可能發生的。
15:03
It's what I call a paradox of ownership.
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這就是我所謂的所有權矛盾。
15:06
I thought I'd buckle
under the weight of responsibility.
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我以為責任的重量會讓我垮掉。
15:10
I thought my certificate
of humanity would be burnt.
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我以為我的人性證書會被燒掉。
15:14
Instead, I was offered
to really own what I did,
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取而代之,我得以
真正承認我的行為,
15:18
and found that it didn't possess
the entirety of who I am.
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我發現它不能支配全部的我。
15:23
Put simply,
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簡單來說,
15:24
something you've done doesn't have
to constitute the sum of who you are.
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你所做的某件事,
不見得就會構成全部的你。
15:30
The noise in my head abated.
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我腦中的雜音減少了。
15:32
The indulgent self-pity
was starved of oxygen,
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放縱的自憐面臨到氧氣不足,
15:36
and it was replaced
with the clean air of acceptance --
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接受的新鮮空氣取代了它。
15:42
an acceptance that I did hurt
this wonderful person standing next to me;
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接受我確實傷害過現在
站在我身邊的這個好人;
15:46
an acceptance that I am part of a large
and shockingly everyday grouping of men
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接受每天都有相當
一大群男人和我一樣,
15:52
who have been sexually violent
toward their partners.
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曾經對他們的伴侶有過性暴力行為。
15:56
Don't underestimate the power of words.
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不要低估了言語的力量。
16:00
Saying to Thordis that I raped her
changed my accord with myself,
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我對索爾蒂絲說我強暴了她,
這麼做改變了我和我自己的和諧,
16:04
as well as with her.
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以及我和她的和諧。
16:07
But most importantly,
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但最重要的是,
16:08
the blame transferred from Thordis to me.
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責備從索爾蒂絲身上轉移到我身上。
16:13
Far too often,
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太常見的狀況是,
16:14
the responsibility is attributed
to female survivors of sexual violence,
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責任會被歸給
性暴力下的女性倖存者,
16:18
and not to the males who enact it.
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而非進行性暴力的男性。
16:22
Far too often,
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太常見的狀況是,
16:23
the denial and running leaves all parties
at a great distance from the truth.
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否認跟逃走,會讓各方都遠離真相。
16:30
There's definitely a public
conversation happening now,
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現在肯定有一場公開的
對話正在進行中,
16:34
and like a lot of people,
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和很多人一樣,
16:36
we're heartened
that there's less retreating
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如果能知道逃避困難的狀況
16:39
from this difficult
but important discussion.
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漸被重要的討論取代,
我們會很高興。
16:42
I feel a real responsibility
to add our voices to it.
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我覺得我有責任要把
我們的聲音也加上去。
16:49
TE: What we did is not a formula
that we're prescribing for others.
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索:我們在做的並不是
開處方籤給其他人。
16:55
Nobody has the right to tell anyone else
how to handle their deepest pain
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沒有人有權利告訴別人
怎麼處理他們最深的傷痛
17:00
or their greatest error.
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或這他們最大的錯誤。
17:03
Breaking your silence is never easy,
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打破你的沈默從來就不是易事,
17:05
and depending on where
you are in the world,
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看你身在世界的何處,
17:07
it can even be deadly
to speak out about rape.
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在某些地方,連說出強暴
都可能是致命的。
17:11
I realize that even the most
traumatic event of my life
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我了解到,即使是我人生中
最創傷性的事件,
17:15
is still a testament to my privilege,
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仍舊證明了我的特權,
17:18
because I can talk about it
without getting ostracized,
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因為我可以談這件事,
卻不用擔心被放逐
17:22
or even killed.
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或甚至被殺害。
17:24
But with that privilege of having a voice
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但有發聲的特權,
17:27
comes the responsibility of using it.
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也就表示有使用這項特權的責任。
17:30
That's the least I owe
my fellow survivors who can't.
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這至少也是我欠其他
無法發聲的性侵倖存者的。
17:36
The story we've just relayed is unique,
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我們剛剛講的故事是獨一無二的,
17:39
and yet it is so common with sexual
violence being a global pandemic.
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然而,在性暴力全球普遍的情況下,
這故事卻又是如此常見。
17:44
But it doesn't have to be that way.
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但其實並非別無他法。
17:47
One of the things that I found useful
on my own healing journey
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在我自己的療癒旅程中,
我發現一些有用的方式,
17:50
is educating myself about sexual violence.
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其一就是提供性暴力的教育給我自己。
17:53
And as a result,
I've been reading, writing
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結果是,我已經針對這個議題,
17:55
and speaking about this issue
for over a decade now,
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持續相關的閱讀、寫作、
談論,超過十年之久。
17:58
going to conferences around the world.
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到世界各地參加會議。
18:00
And in my experience,
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根據我的經驗,
18:02
the attendees of such events
are almost exclusively women.
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這類活動的與會者絕大多數是女性。
18:08
But it's about time that we stop treating
sexual violence as a women's issue.
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但,該是停止把性暴力
當作女性議題來看待的時候了。
18:15
(Applause)
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(掌聲)
18:28
A majority of sexual violence
against women and men
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大部分針對女性及男性
所犯下的性暴力,
18:32
is perpetrated by men.
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都是由男性犯下的。
18:34
And yet their voices are sorely
underrepresented in this discussion.
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然而,在這類討論中,
卻十分缺乏他們的聲音。
18:40
But all of us are needed here.
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但,這需要我們所有人的參與。
18:45
Just imagine all the suffering
we could alleviate
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想像一下,如果我們敢
一起面對這個議題,
18:49
if we dared to face this issue together.
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將能緩解多少痛苦。
18:54
Thank you.
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謝謝。
18:55
(Applause)
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(掌聲)
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