Sonia Shah: 3 reasons we still haven't gotten rid of malaria

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譯者: Yi-Hua Yang 審譯者: Bert Chen
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So over the long course of human history,
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在人類悠久的歷史文化中
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the infectious disease that's killed more humans
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致死率最高的傳染病
00:18
than any other is malaria.
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是瘧疾
00:21
It's carried in the bites of infected mosquitos,
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它是藉由病媒蚊叮咬來傳染
00:24
and it's probably our oldest scourge.
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瘧疾可以算是人類史上最早發生的大浩劫
00:26
We may have had malaria since we evolved from the apes.
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從人類還在人猿的發展階段就已經有瘧疾
00:30
And to this day, malaria takes a huge toll on our species.
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至今有非常多人因罹患瘧疾而死亡
00:33
We've got 300 million cases a year
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平均每年都有3億人罹患瘧疾
00:36
and over half a million deaths.
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超過50萬人死亡
00:39
Now this really makes no sense.
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這真的令人匪夷所思
00:42
We've known how to cure malaria
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我們已經知道要如何治療瘧疾
00:44
since the 1600s.
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早在16世紀的時候就知道
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That's when Jesuit missionaries in Peru
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當時基督教傳道士在秘魯
00:48
discovered the bark of the cinchona tree,
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發現金雞納樹的樹皮
00:51
and inside that bark was quinine,
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含有奎寧的成份
00:53
still an effective cure for malaria to this day.
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它至今仍是一種能有效治療瘧疾的藥物
00:56
So we've known how to cure malaria for centuries.
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所以好幾世紀前 我們就已經知道要如何治癒瘧疾
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We've known how to prevent malaria since 1897.
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自1897年我們就知道 要如何預防瘧疾的發生
01:02
That's when the British army surgeon Ronald Ross
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當時英國陸軍外科醫生Ronald Ross
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discovered that it was mosquitos that carried malaria,
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發現瘧疾的傳播媒介就是蚊子
01:08
not bad air or miasmas, as was previously thought.
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而不是我們以前一直認為的髒空氣或瘴氣
01:12
So malaria should be a relatively simple disease to solve,
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所以瘧疾應該是一個很容易解決的疾病才對
01:18
and yet to this day, hundreds of thousands of people
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然而至今仍有數十萬人
01:22
are going to die from the bite of a mosquito.
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仍因被帶有瘧疾的病媒蚊叮咬而感染瘧疾死亡
01:25
Why is that?
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為什麼會這樣呢?
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This is a question that's
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這個問題
01:28
personally intrigued me for a long time.
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讓我想了很久
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I grew up as the daughter of Indian immigrants
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我是印度裔移民家庭出身
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visiting my cousins in India every summer,
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每到印度進入夏季時 我都會回去拜訪我的堂兄弟姊妹
01:35
and because I had no immunity to the local malarias,
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因為我對當地瘧疾沒有免疫力
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I was made to sleep under this hot, sweaty mosquito net every night
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所以每晚我都必須在熱悶的蚊帳中睡覺
01:42
while my cousins, they were allowed to sleep
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而我的堂兄弟姊妹們則能直接睡
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out on the terrace and have
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在大陽台上
01:45
this nice, cool night breeze wafting over them.
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吹著清爽舒服的晚風
01:48
And I really hated the mosquitos for that.
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就因為這樣 我真的很討厭蚊子
01:52
But at the same time, I come from a Jain family,
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同時我是來自於一個耆那教家庭
01:55
and Jainism is a religion that espouses
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耆那教極力主張
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a very extreme form of nonviolence.
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無暴力主義
02:00
So Jains are not supposed to eat meat.
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所以耆那教徒不能吃肉
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We're not supposed to walk on grass,
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我們也不能走在草地上
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because you could, you know,
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因為你可能會
02:07
inadvertently kill some insects when you walk on grass.
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在你走路的時候 不小心踩死一些昆蟲
02:09
We're certainly not supposed to swat mosquitos.
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當然我們也不能打蚊子
02:12
So the fearsome power of this little insect
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所以我很怕蚊子這種小蟲
02:15
was apparent to me from a very young age,
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從我很小的時候開始
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and it's one reason why I spent five years as a journalist
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而這也是為什麼我花了五年當記者
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trying to understand, why has malaria
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想試著了解為什麼瘧疾
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been such a horrible scourge for all of us for so very long?
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對我們所有人造成一個非常長期的恐怖浩劫
02:28
And I think there's three main reasons why.
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我認為其中有三種主因
02:30
Those three reasons add up to the fourth reason,
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這三個原因湊在一起可以變成第四個原因
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which is probably the biggest reason of all.
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那可能是所有中最大也最重要的原因
02:36
The first reason is certainly scientific.
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第一個是純科學化的理由
02:39
This little parasite that causes malaria,
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這種引起瘧疾的寄生蟲
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it's probably one of the most complex
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可能是已知最複雜
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and wily pathogens known to humankind.
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最難搞的病原體
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It lives half its life inside the cold-blooded mosquito
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瘧原蟲的生命中 有一半活在冷血動物-蚊子體內
02:49
and half its life inside the warm-blooded human.
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另一半則活在溫血動物-人類體內
02:53
These two environments are totally different,
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這是兩種完全不同的生存環境
02:56
but not only that, they're both utterly hostile.
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不只如此 病原蟲對兩者環境都有害
02:59
So the insect is continually trying to fight off the parasite,
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所以當蚊子會不斷抵抗寄生蟲
03:03
and so is the human body continually trying to fight it off.
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而人類身體也會不斷抵抗
03:06
This little creature survives under siege like that,
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這種小生物在這種困境下生存下來了
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but not only does it survive, it has thrived.
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它不只是生存下來 還蓬勃發展
03:13
It has spread. It has more ways to evade attack than we know.
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它會散播開來 它有許多方式躲避攻擊 比我們知道的還多
03:17
It's a shape-shifter, for one thing.
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另一方面這是一種變態
03:19
Just as a caterpillar turns into a butterfly,
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就像毛毛蟲變成蝴蝶一樣
03:23
the malaria parasite transforms itself like that
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瘧原蟲會像那樣
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seven times in its life cycle.
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在牠們一生中 經歷七次變態的過程
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And each of those life stages not only looks totally different from each other,
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而每個生長階段都完全不同
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they have totally different physiology.
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有完全不同的生理結構
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So say you came up with some great drug
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你說你有想到某種不錯的藥
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that worked against one stage of the parasite's life cycle.
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可以用來消滅處於某生長階段的病原蟲
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It might do nothing at all to any of the other stages.
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那這藥可能就對處於其他階段的病原蟲無效
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It can hide in our bodies, undetected,
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它能夠躲在我們的身體裡 無法檢查到
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unbeknownst to us, for days, for weeks,
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並潛伏數天 數周
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for months, for years, in some cases even decades.
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數月數年也曾有潛伏數十年的案例
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So the parasite is a very big scientific challenge to tackle,
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所以要處理瘧原蟲是一項非常艱鉅的科學挑戰
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but so is the mosquito that carries the parasite.
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攜帶瘧原蟲的病媒蚊也很難處理
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Only about 12 species of mosquitos
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大約只有12種蚊子
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carry most of the world's malaria,
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帶有全世界絕大部分的瘧原蟲
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and we know quite a bit about the kinds of
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我們相當多種蚊子
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watery habitats that they specialize in.
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是屬於水棲性
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So you might think, then, well, why don't we just
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所以你可能會想說 為什麼我們不
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avoid the places where the killer mosquitos live? Right?
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避開那些可怕的病媒蚊棲息的地方 對吧?
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We could avoid the places where the killer grizzly bears live
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我們可以避開恐怖的棕熊棲息地
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and we avoid the places where the killer crocodiles live.
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我們可以遠離嚇人的鱷魚棲息地
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But say you live in the tropics
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但當你居住在屬於熱帶氣候的地區時
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and you walk outside your hut one day
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有一天你走出棚屋
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and you leave some footprints in the soft dirt
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踩在軟泥土中留下你的腳印
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around your home.
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在你家附近
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Or say your cow does, or say your pig does,
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或是你的牛或豬走動留下的腳印
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and then, say, it rains,
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然後 下雨了
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and that footprint fills up with a little bit of water.
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而這些由生物走動而形成的小水坑中積滿雨水
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That's it. You've created the perfect
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就這樣! 你創造出完美的
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malarial mosquito habitat that's right outside your door.
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瘧蚊孳生地 就在你家門口
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So it's not easy for us to extricate ourselves from these insects.
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所以要擺脫這些蚊子還沒那麼容易
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We kind of create places that they love to live
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我們可能創造出瘧蚊喜歡棲息的地方
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just by living our own lives.
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藉由我們日常的生活方式與習慣
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So there's a huge scientific challenge,
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所以這是一項艱鉅的科學挑戰
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but there's a huge economic challenge too.
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同時 也是一像龐大的經濟挑戰
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Malaria occurs in some of the poorest
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瘧疾通常發生在一些極度貧窮的地方
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and most remote places on Earth,
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與地球最偏遠的地方
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and there's a reason for that.
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這是有原因的
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If you're poor, you're more likely to get malaria.
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如果你很窮 你得瘧疾的機率較高
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If you're poor, you're more likely to live
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如果你很窮 你很可能住在
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in rudimentary housing on marginal land that's poorly drained.
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邊際土地上方的簡陋房屋 邊際土地又排水不良
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These are places where mosquitos breed.
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蚊子就是在那種環境孳生
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You're less likely to have door screens or window screens.
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你不太可能會有門窗來遮蔽
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You're less likely to have electricity
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也不太可能會有電
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and all the indoor activities that electricity makes possible,
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而所有室內活動都需要電
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so you're outside more.
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所以你通常都待在室外
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You're getting bitten by mosquitos more.
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所以你也較常遭到蚊子叮咬
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So poverty causes malaria,
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所以貧窮導致瘧疾的發生
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but what we also know now is that malaria itself
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不過現在我們知道瘧疾本身
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causes poverty.
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也會帶來貧窮
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For one thing, it strikes hardest during harvest season,
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另一方面 在豐收季節裡影響最嚴重
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so exactly when farmers need to be out in the fields
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當農夫都需要去田裡
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collecting their crops, they're home sick with a fever.
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採收他們的作物時 卻因發燒 只能再家休養
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But it also predisposes people to death
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瘧疾也會容易置人於死
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from all other causes.
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因為其他各種原因
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So this has happened historically.
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所以瘧疾已經成為歷史
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We've been able to take malaria out of a society.
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現今我們已經有能力將瘧疾趕出文明社會
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Everything else stays the same,
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其他還是一樣
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so we still have bad food, bad water, bad sanitation,
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我們的食物不好 水源不乾淨 衛生環境髒亂
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all the things that make people sick.
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這些都會讓人生病
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But just if you take malaria out,
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但如果單單只將瘧疾根除
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deaths from everything else go down.
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各種原因所造成的死亡率都會下降
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And the economist Jeff Sachs has actually quantified
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實際上 經濟學家傑夫薩克斯已經量化
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what this means for a society.
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這事對社會的影響
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What it means is, if you have malaria in your society,
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他的意思是 如果你的國家有瘧疾發生
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your economic growth is depressed
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你的經濟成長率將會
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by 1.3 percent every year,
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每年下降1.3%
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year after year after year, just this one disease alone.
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年復一年 就只是因為瘧疾的關係
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So this poses a huge economic challenge,
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因此 這造成了巨大的經濟挑戰
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because say you do come up with your great drug
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因為 就算你有想到很有療效的藥物
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or your great vaccine -- how do you deliver it
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或不錯的疫苗 你要怎麼運送?
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in a place where there's no roads,
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在一個沒有道路
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there's no infrastructure,
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沒有基礎建設
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there's no electricity for refrigeration to keep things cold,
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沒有電供應冰箱保冷
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there's no clinics, there's no clinicians
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也沒有診所 沒有醫生
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to deliver these things where they're needed?
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又要如何運送這些必要物資呢?
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So there's a huge economic challenge in taming malaria.
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所以抑制瘧疾是一個艱鉅的經濟挑戰
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But along with the scientific challenge and the economic challenge,
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除了是科技上的難題與經濟上的挑戰
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there's also a cultural challenge,
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瘧疾也是一種文化的困境
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and this is probably the part about malaria
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這也可能是部分原因
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that people don't like to talk about.
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所以大家不想討論它
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And it's the paradox that the people
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這是一種非常矛盾的情況
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who have the most malaria in the world
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那些住在全世界罹患瘧疾率最高地區的人們
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tend to care about it the least.
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卻往往最不關心這件事情
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This has been the finding of medical anthropologists again and again.
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醫療人類學家一再發現這種情況
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They ask people in malarious parts of the world,
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他們訪問居住在瘧疾疫區的人民
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"What do you think about malaria?"
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關於瘧疾 你們有什麼想法?
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And they don't say, "It's a killer disease. We're scared of it."
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他們不會說 它是一個致命的疾病 我們很害怕
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They say, "Malaria is a normal problem of life."
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他們反而會說 瘧疾只是一個生活上常見的問題
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And that was certainly my personal experience.
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這也是我的個人經驗
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When I told my relatives in India
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當我告訴我在印度的親戚
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that I was writing a book about malaria,
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我正撰寫一本有關瘧疾的書
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they kind of looked at me like
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他們看著我的眼神就好像
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I told them I was writing a book about warts or something.
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我只是告訴他們我在寫一本關於疣或甚麼的書
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Like, why would you write about something so boring,
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就好像 你為什麼要寫這麼無聊的書?
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so ordinary? You know?
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這麼普通的書?
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And it's simple risk perception, really.
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這其實是個顯而易見的危機預兆
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A child in Malawi, for example,
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例如 有一位在馬拉維的小孩
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she might have 12 episodes of malaria before the age of two,
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在2歲之前 她可能得過12次瘧疾
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but if she survives,
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但如果她活下來
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she'll continue to get malaria throughout her life,
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她將終其一生繼續與瘧疾對抗
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but she's much less likely to die of it.
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不過她再次罹患瘧疾致死的機率將會大幅減少
07:50
And so in her lived experience,
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所以在她生活的經驗中
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malaria is something that comes and goes.
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瘧疾只不過是會發病 再過一段時間又好了
07:56
And that's actually true for most of the world's malaria.
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事實上大部分的瘧疾也確實如此
07:58
Most of the world's malaria comes and goes on its own.
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世界上多數的瘧疾都是會發病 再過一段時間又好了
08:01
It's just, there's so much malaria
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就是這樣而已 有許多種瘧疾
08:04
that this tiny fraction of cases that end in death
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只有發生極少數的死亡案例
08:08
add up to this big, huge number.
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但這些案例加起來也是一個龐大的數字
08:11
So I think people in malarious parts of the world
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所以我認為生活在瘧疾地區的人們
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must think of malaria the way
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必須改變看待瘧疾的方式
08:15
those of us who live in the temperate world
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就像我們生活在溫帶地區
08:16
think of cold and flu. Right?
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看待感冒和流行感冒一樣 對吧?
08:18
Cold and flu have a huge burden on our societies
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感冒與流感是一大重擔 在我們的社會
08:22
and on our own lives,
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和生活中
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but we don't really even take
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但是我們不需要真的去做
08:25
the most rudimentary precautions against it because
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基礎的預防措施來防範
08:27
we consider it normal to get cold and flu
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因為我們覺得感冒和得到流行性感冒 是件很正常的事
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during cold and flu season.
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在流行性感冒的高峰期
08:32
And so this poses a huge cultural challenge in taming malaria,
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所以 抑制瘧疾造成一種巨大的文化挑戰
08:37
because if people think it's normal to have malaria,
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因為如果人們認為感染瘧疾是件正常的事
08:41
then how do you get them to run to the doctor
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那麼你要如何叫他們去看醫生
08:44
to get diagnosed, to pick up their prescription,
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去接受診斷 拿處方籤
08:47
to get it filled, to take the drugs,
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把處方籤拿去藥局 拿藥吃
08:49
to put on the repellents, to tuck in the bed nets?
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用驅蚊用品 躺到蚊帳裡去呢?
08:52
This is a huge cultural challenge in taming this disease.
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抑制這種疾病是一個巨大的文化挑戰
08:57
So take all that together.
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所以把這些因素都湊在一起
08:58
We've got a disease. It's scientifically complicated,
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我們可以說 瘧疾在科學上很複雜
09:03
it's economically challenging to deal with,
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對經濟方面有挑戰性 不好處理
09:05
and it's one for which the people who stand
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因此就有人站出來
09:07
to benefit the most care about it the least.
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盡力幫助這些最弱勢卻又莫不關心的人
09:09
And that adds up to the biggest problem of all,
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所有一切加起來 就形成最大的問題
09:11
which, of course, is the political problem.
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當然就是政治問題
09:14
How do you get a political leader to do anything
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你要叫政治領袖要怎樣去處理
09:17
about a problem like this?
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這種問題?
09:19
And the answer is, historically, you don't.
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從過去的經驗來看 答案是沒辦法
09:24
Most malarious societies throughout history
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歷史上 大部分瘧疾猖獗的國家
09:26
have simply lived with the disease.
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就是放任這種疾病發生在人民的生活中
09:28
So the main attacks on malaria have come
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所以主要會去處理瘧疾問題的力量是
09:30
from outside of malarious societies,
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來自於瘧疾疫區之外
09:33
from people who aren't constrained
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來自於那些
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by these rather paralyzing politics.
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不會受到那些欲癱瘓政治之人影響的人
09:37
But this, I think, introduces a whole host of other kinds of difficulties.
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但是 我認為這會延伸出各種問題
09:41
The first concerted attack against malaria
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第一次針對瘧疾的協同防治行動
09:43
started in the 1950s.
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是從1950年代開始
09:45
It was the brainchild of the U.S. State Department.
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是由美國國務院所提出的
09:48
And this effort well understood the economic challenge.
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此行動也恰好應映經濟的困境
09:51
They knew they had to focus on cheap, easy-to-use tools,
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他們知道他們必須使用便宜 容易使用的工具
09:54
and they focused on DDT.
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著重使用DDT(一種殺蟲劑)
09:56
They understood the cultural challenge.
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他們知道文化所面臨的挑戰
09:58
In fact, their rather patronizing view was that
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事實上當時的觀點非常主觀 認為
10:01
people at risk of malaria shouldn't be asked to do anything at all.
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易感染瘧疾的人們 什麼事都不能做
10:04
Everything should be done to them and for them.
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一切只要做給他們使用 幫他們做就好
10:07
But they greatly underestimated the scientific challenge.
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但他們太低估科學所面臨的挑戰
10:10
They had so much faith in their tools
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他們對他們使用的工具太過自信
10:13
that they stopped doing malaria research.
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導致他們不再研究瘧疾
10:16
And so when those tools started to fail,
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所以當這些工具開始失效了
10:18
and public opinion started to turn against those tools,
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公眾輿論開始批評那些工具
10:21
they had no scientific expertise to figure out what to do.
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他們就無法以專業知識判定下一步該怎麼走
10:25
The whole campaign crashed, malaria resurged back,
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整個行動失敗 瘧疾又再次爆發
10:29
but now it was even worse than before
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甚至比以前的情況更糟
10:30
because it was corralled into the hardest-to-reach places
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它已經變得更加嚴重
10:33
in the most difficult-to-control forms.
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原先就是非常難控制的狀況
10:36
One WHO official at the time actually called that whole campaign
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當時有一位世界衛生組織的官員將那整個行動稱作
10:40
"one of the greatest mistakes ever made in public health."
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公共衛生領域所犯的最大錯誤之一
10:45
The latest effort to tame malaria started in the late 1990s.
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最近抑制瘧疾的行動是從1990 年代後期開始
10:47
It's similarly directed and financed primarily
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同樣主要指揮行動與金援資助的國家
10:51
from outside of malarious societies.
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都是來自於非疫區國家
10:53
Now this effort well understands the scientific challenge.
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這行動也恰好因應科學挑戰
10:56
They are doing tons of malaria research.
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他們做了非常多有關瘧疾研究
10:58
And they understand the economic challenge too.
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她們懂得經濟面臨的挑戰
11:00
They're focusing on very cheap, very easy-to-use tools.
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所以主要著重在獲取非常便宜 容易使用的工具
11:04
But now, I think, the dilemma is the cultural challenge.
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但現在 我認為文化挑戰是主要的困境
11:08
The centerpiece of the current effort is the bed net.
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目前著重在盡量獲取蚊帳
11:11
It's treated with insecticides.
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這種蚊帳是用殺蟲劑處理過
11:13
This thing has been distributed across the malarious world
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這種蚊帳已經在世界各地的瘧疾疫區發放
11:15
by the millions.
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目前已經發給數百萬人
11:17
And when you think about the bed net,
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當你想到蚊帳的時候
11:19
it's sort of a surgical intervention.
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就像某種手術干預
11:22
You know, it doesn't really have any value
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你知道 這沒有任何用處
11:24
to a family with malaria except that it helps prevent malaria.
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若全家都罹患瘧疾 除非蚊帳真的對防範瘧疾有幫助
11:27
And yet we're asking people to use these nets every night.
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我們要求人們睡覺都要掛蚊帳
11:31
They have to sleep under them every night.
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必須都睡在蚊帳當中
11:33
That's the only way they are effective.
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這是唯一有效的方法
11:35
And they have to do that
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他們必須這樣做
11:36
even if the net blocks the breeze,
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即使蚊帳擋住窗外吹來的微風
11:39
even if they might have to get up in the middle of the night
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即使他們有可能在半夜起床
11:42
and relieve themselves,
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上廁所
11:44
even if they might have to move all their furnishings
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即使他們可能需要更動他們所有傢俱的位置
11:46
to put this thing up,
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來把蚊帳掛起來,
11:48
even if, you know, they might live in a round hut
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即使 他們可能住在一個圓形的棚屋
11:50
in which it's difficult to string up a square net.
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那種房子很難掛起一個方形的蚊帳
11:54
Now that's no big deal if you're fighting a killer disease.
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你要對抗一種致命疾病 這沒什麼大不了的
11:59
I mean, these are minor inconveniences.
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這些麻煩的瑣事真是微不足道
12:01
But that's not how people with malaria think of malaria.
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但是 罹患瘧疾的人可不這樣認為
12:05
So for them, the calculus must be quite different.
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對他們來說 有著完全不同的觀念與想法
12:10
Imagine, for example, if a bunch of well-meaning Kenyans
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想像一下 例如 如果有一群好心的肯尼亞人
12:14
came up to those of us in the temperate world and said,
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對這些在溫帶地區生活的人們說
12:16
"You know, you people have a lot of cold and flu.
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你們這裏有很多感冒和染上流感的人
12:19
We've designed this great, easy-to-use, cheap tool,
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我們設計出這個又好用 又便利 又廉價的工具
12:22
we're going to give it to you for free.
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我們免費送給你們
12:23
It's called a face mask,
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這東西叫口罩
12:25
and all you need to do is
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你們要做的就是
12:29
wear it every day during cold and flu season
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在感冒和流感盛行的季節 天天帶著它
12:31
when you go to school and when you go to work."
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去學校也帶 去上班也帶
12:34
Would we do that?
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我們會這樣做嗎?
12:36
And I wonder if that's how people
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我在想 瘧疾興盛地區的人們
12:38
in the malarious world thought of those nets
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對這些蚊帳的想法會是什麼
12:40
when they first received them?
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當他們第一次收到這些東西的時候?
12:42
Indeed, we know from studies
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確實,從研究中我們可得知
12:45
that only 20 percent of the bed nets
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第一次分配出去的蚊帳只有20%
12:48
that were first distributed were actually used.
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有實際使用過
12:51
And even that's probably an overestimate,
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那數字甚至都可能被高估了
12:52
because the same people who distributed the nets
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因為發放蚊帳的那批人
12:55
went back and asked the recipients,
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回去訪問那些受助人
12:56
"Oh, did you use that net I gave you?"
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你有使用我給你的蚊帳了嗎?
12:59
Which is like your Aunt Jane asking you,
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這就像Aunt Jane 問你
13:01
"Oh, did you use that vase I gave you for Christmas?"
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你用我聖誕節送你的花瓶了嗎?
13:04
So it's probably an overestimate.
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所以這數字可能是被高估了
13:06
But that's not an insurmountable problem.
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但這不是一個無法克服的問題。
13:10
We can do more education,
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我們可以辦更多教育活動
13:11
we can try to convince these people to use the nets.
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我們可以試著說服他們使用蚊帳
13:14
And that's what happening now.
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我們現在就是這麼做的
13:15
We're throwing a lot more time and money
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我們花更多時間和金錢
13:17
into workshops and trainings and musicals and plays
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投注在工作坊 訓練計畫 歌舞劇 演戲
13:22
and school meetings,
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和學校會議上
13:24
all these things to convince people
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這些東西都是為了要說服人們
13:26
to use the nets we gave you.
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使用我們送的蚊帳
13:29
And that might work.
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這可能有用
13:31
But it takes time. It takes money.
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但需要時間 需要資金
13:34
It takes resources. It takes infrastructure.
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需要資源 也需要基礎設施
13:36
It takes all the things that that cheap,
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這需要很多因素的配合才能做到
13:39
easy-to-use bed net was not supposed to be.
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但目的只是為了這些便宜好用的蚊帳
13:42
So it's difficult to attack malaria from inside malarious societies,
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所以要從瘧疾疫區內部去改善瘧疾是一件很難的事
13:45
but it's equally tricky when we try to attack it
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這也是一很難處理的事 當我們試著改善瘧疾
13:48
from outside of those societies.
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從瘧疾疫區外部
13:51
We end up imposing our own priorities
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我們終究還是將我們的優先權
13:52
on the people of the malarious world.
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強加於居住在瘧疾疫區的人們身上
13:54
That's exactly what we did in the 1950s,
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這正是我們在1950年代所做的
13:57
and that effort backfired.
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然而卻得到反效果
13:59
I would argue today,
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我認為今天
14:00
when we are distributing tools that we've designed
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我們將我們設計的工具分送給他們
14:04
and that don't necessarily make sense in people's lives,
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而那樣工具不一定對他們的生活有幫助的時候
14:08
we run the risk of making the same mistake again.
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我們冒著風險 再次犯下相同的錯誤
14:12
That's not to say that malaria is unconquerable,
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這並不表示無法將瘧疾根除
14:14
because I think it is,
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因為我覺得我們可以根除瘧疾
14:15
but what if we attacked this disease
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但要是我們針對這項疾病做處理
14:17
according to the priorities of the people who lived with it?
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並優先考慮那些罹患瘧疾的人們又會怎樣?
14:21
Take the example of England and the United States.
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舉英國和美國為例
14:23
We had malaria in those countries for hundreds of years,
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在這兩個國家中 瘧疾存在有數百年之久
14:26
and we got rid of it completely,
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但我們已經完全擺脫它了
14:29
not because we attacked malaria. We didn't.
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不是因為我們針對瘧疾去 我們沒有
14:32
We attacked bad roads and bad houses
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我們修繕破舊的道路 鄙陋的住房
14:36
and bad drainage and lack of electricity and rural poverty.
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改善不良的排水系統 電力不足與農村貧窮等問題
14:41
We attacked the malarious way of life,
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我們改變在生活中可能會引起瘧疾的因素
14:44
and by doing that, we slowly built malaria out.
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透過這種方式 我們逐漸將瘧疾趕出去
14:50
Now attacking the malarious way of life,
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改變在生活中可能會引起瘧疾的因素
14:51
this is something -- these are things people care about today.
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這才是今天人們關心的
14:55
And attacking the malarious way of life,
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改變在生活中可能會引起瘧疾的因素
14:57
it's not fast, it's not cheap, it's not easy,
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無法很快看見成效 價格不便宜​​ 也不是容易的事
15:02
but I think it's the only lasting way forward.
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但我認為這是唯一能夠持續下去的辦法
15:05
Thank you so much.
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謝謝大家
15:06
(Applause)
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