My road trip through the whitest towns in America | Rich Benjamin

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Imagine a place where your neighbors greet your children by name;
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试想一下,有一个地方,邻居们可以叫得出你家小孩的名字
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a place with splendid vistas;
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景色优美
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a place where you can drive just 20 minutes
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在这个地方,你只需要开车20分钟
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and put your sailboat on the water.
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就可以水中泛舟
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It's a seductive place, isn't it?
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这是一个世外桃源,不是吗
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I don't live there.
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我并不住这儿
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(Laughter)
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(笑声)
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But I did journey on a 27,000-mile trip
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两年来,我途径两万七千公里
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for two years, to the fastest-growing and whitest counties in America.
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到达美国发展最快并且白种人居民比例最高的地方
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What is a Whitopia?
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白色乌托邦是什么?
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I define Whitopia in three ways:
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我用以下三个概念来定义它
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First, a Whitopia has posted at least six percent population growth since 2000.
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第一,白色乌托邦在2000年以来人口增长至少为6%
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Secondly, the majority of that growth comes from white migrants.
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第二,人口增长主要来源于白种人移居
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And third, the Whitopia has an ineffable charm,
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第三,白色乌托邦非常有魅力
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a pleasant look and feel,
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让人愉悦的外观和感受
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a je Ne sais quoi.
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一种难以言明的美好特质
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(Laughter)
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(笑声)
01:19
To learn how and why Whitopias are ticking,
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为了探究白色乌托邦的起源,并且它为何能发展起来
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I immersed myself for several months apiece in three of them:
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我分别花了好几个月深入当地,去了白色乌托邦的三个代表城市
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first, St. George, Utah;
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第一个,犹他州的圣乔治
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second, Coeur d'Alene, Idaho;
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第二个,爱达荷的科达伦
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and third, Forsyth County, Georgia.
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第三个,乔治亚州的佛塞斯郡
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First stop, St. George -- a beautiful town of red rock landscapes.
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第一个目的地,圣乔治,一个拥有红岩景观的美丽小镇
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In the 1850s, Brigham Young dispatched families to St. George
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十八世纪五十年代,由于圣乔治炎热干旱的气候,
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to grow cotton because of the hot, arid climate.
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(摩门教)杨百翰带领教会数家迁往圣乔治种植棉花
01:53
And so they called it Utah's Dixie, and the name sticks to this day.
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因此他们称这里为犹他之南,这个名字沿用至今
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I approached my time in each Whitopia like an anthropologist.
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在白色乌托邦, 我像人类学家一样安排我的日程
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I made detailed spreadsheets of all the power brokers in the communities,
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我列出乌托邦里有权势的人们的详细名单
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who I needed to meet, where I needed to be,
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我应该拜访谁,需要在哪里约见他们
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and I threw myself with gusto in these communities.
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我兴致勃勃想融入这些社区
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I went to zoning board meetings,
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我去了各区域的委员会议
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I went to Democratic clubs and Republican clubs.
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我也去了民主党和共产党的党会
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I went to poker nights.
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我还去和他们一起打牌
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In St. George, I rented a home at the Entrada,
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我在圣乔治的Entrada租了一栋房子
02:32
one of the town's premier gated communities.
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这里是小镇最高档的带门禁的小区之一
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There were no Motel 6's or Howard Johnsons for me.
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在那里,找不到汽车旅馆或是连锁饭店
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I lived in Whitopia as a resident, and not like a visitor.
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我要在白色乌托邦像当地人一样生活,而不是一个游客。
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I rented myself this home by phone.
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我是用电话预定到房子的。
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(Laughter)
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(笑声)
02:51
(Applause)
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(鼓掌)
02:53
Golf is the perfect seductive symbol of Whitopia.
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最能代表白色乌托邦的诱惑标志是高尔夫
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When I went on my journey,
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在我开始旅行前
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I had barely ever held a golf club.
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我从来没有去过高尔夫俱乐部
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By the time I left, I was golfing at least three times a week.
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当我离开那里的时候,我每周至少打三次高尔夫
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(Laughter)
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(笑声)
03:12
Golf helps people bond.
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高尔夫是连接大家情感的桥梁
03:15
Some of the best interviews I ever scored during my trip were on the golf courses.
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我甚至在高尔夫球场完成了不少精彩的采访
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One venture capitalist, for example, invited me to golf in his private club
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有一次,一个风险投资家,邀请我去他的私人俱乐部打球
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that had no minority members.
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该俱乐部不对少数族裔开放
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I also went fishing.
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我也去了钓鱼
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(Laughter)
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(笑声)
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Because I had never fished, this fellow had to teach me
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因为我从来没有钓过鱼
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how to cast my line and what bait to use.
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有个老兄得教我如何抛线,如何使用鱼饵
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I also played poker every weekend.
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我每周末和大家一起玩扑克
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It was Texas Hold 'em with a $10 buy-in.
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那是一种十块起底的德州扑克
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My poker mates may have been bluffing about the hands that they drew,
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我的牌友在玩扑克的时候偶尔会虚张声势说自己的牌好
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but they weren't bluffing about their social beliefs.
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但是他们在社会信仰方面十分认真
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Some of the most raw, salty conversations I ever had
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在旅途中,一些最坦诚别有滋味的谈话
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during my journey were at the poker table.
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就是发生在扑克桌上
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I'm a gung ho entertainer.
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我是一个天生娱乐家
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I love to cook, I hosted many dinner parties, and in return,
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我喜欢做饭,也举办了很多晚餐聚会。
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people invited me to their dinner parties,
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作为往来,人们也邀请我去他们的晚餐聚会
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and to their barbecues, and to their pool parties,
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烧烤聚会,泳池派对
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and to their birthday parties.
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生日派对
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But it wasn't all fun.
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但是,这段旅程并不是完全有趣的
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Immigration turned out to be a big issue in this Whitopia.
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在这个白色乌托邦,移民是一个很大的问题
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The St. George's Citizens Council on Illegal Immigration
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圣乔治反对非法移民居民委员会经常组织
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held regular and active protests against immigration,
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关于非法移民的抗议
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and so what I gleaned from this Whitopia is what a hot debate this would become.
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这就是我在当地所得知的
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It was a real-time preview, and so it has become.
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这是一个非常激烈的议题
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Next stop: Almost Heaven, a cabin I rented for myself
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下一个目的地,是一个天堂般的地方。
我在北爱达荷的科达伦租了一个小木屋
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in Coeur d'Alene, in the beautiful North Idaho panhandle.
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I rented this place for myself, also by phone.
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我是自己租的这个地方,当然,还是用电话预定的。
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(Laughter)
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(笑声)
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The book "A Thousand Places To See Before You Die" lists Coeur d'Alene --
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那本叫做《死前必去的一千个地方》的书把科达伦也列在其中
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it's a gorgeous paradise for huntsmen, boatmen and fishermen.
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这里是猎人,船夫和捕鱼者的天堂
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My growing golf skills came in handy in Coeur d'Alene.
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我越来越好的高尔夫球技在科达伦让我得心应手
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I golfed with retired LAPD cops.
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我和退休的洛杉矶警察局的警察一起打球
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In 1993, around 11,000 families and cops
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在一九九三年,一万一千多个家庭和警察经历了“洛杉矶种族骚乱”之后
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fled Los Angeles after the L.A. racial unrest,
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逃离了洛杉矶,迁往北爱荷华
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for North Idaho, and they've built an expatriated community.
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他们建造了一个世外桃源一般的社区
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Given the conservatism of these cops,
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介于这些警察的保守主义
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there's no surprise that North Idaho has a strong gun culture.
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不出大家所料,北爱荷华有浓厚的枪支文化
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In fact, it is said, North Idaho has more gun dealers than gas stations.
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据说现实中,北爱达荷枪支经销商比加油站还要多
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So what's a resident to do to fit in?
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那么, 应该怎么做去融入当地人生活呢
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I hit the gun club.
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我去了枪支俱乐部
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When I rented a gun, the gentleman behind the counter
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当我租枪的时候
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was perfectly pleasant and kind,
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柜台后面的那位男士非常和善
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until I showed him my New York City driver's license.
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在我给他看了我纽约州的驾照后
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That's when he got nervous.
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他略显迟疑
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I'm not as bad a shot as I thought I might have been.
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我以为我不善枪法,其实不然
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What I learned from North Idaho is the peculiar brand of paranoia
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我在北爱达荷学到的还有一种特有的的偏执
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that can permeate a community when so many cops and guns are around.
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在警察与枪支遍地的爱达荷,这种偏执扎根于此
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In North Idaho, in my red pickup truck,
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在北爱达荷,我在我的红色皮卡车里
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I kept a notepad.
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放了一个记事本
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And in that notepad I counted more Confederate flags than black people.
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在记事本中,我数到的联邦旗个数比遇到的黑人还要多
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In North Idaho, I found Confederate flags
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在北爱达荷
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on key chains, on cellphone paraphernalia,
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我在钥匙链,手机用品,还有车上
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and on cars.
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都能看到联邦旗
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About a seven-minute drive from my hidden lake cabin
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从我住的湖边小屋开七分钟路程
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was the compound of Aryan Nations,
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住的是雅利安民族
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the white supremacist group.
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他们是白人至上主义者
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America's Promise Ministries, the religious arm of Aryan Nations,
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美国希望之都,雅利安民族的宗教组织
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happened to have a three-day retreat during my visit.
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在我旅游的时候恰好有三天的聚会
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So I decided to crash it.
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因此,我决定去凑个热闹
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(Laughter)
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(笑声)
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I'm the only non-Aryan journalist I'm aware of ever to have done so.
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我发现我是前所未有的唯一一位非雅利安族记者
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(Laughter)
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(笑声)
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Among the many memorable episodes of that retreat...
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在聚会上无数难以忘怀的故事中,其中之一是
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(Laughter)
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(笑声)
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...is when Abe, an Aryan, sidled up next to me.
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当一个名叫安培的雅利安人悄悄走过来,坐在我身边
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He slapped my knee, and he said, "Hey Rich, I just want you to know one thing.
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他拍着我的膝盖,说“你好,理查,我只想让你知道一件事
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We are not white supremacists. We are white separatists.
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我们并不是白人至上主义者,我们是白人分离主义者
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We don't think we're better than you,
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我们并不认为我们比你优越
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we just want to be away from you."
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我们只是想离你们远一点
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(Laughter)
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(笑声)
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Indeed, most white people in Whitopia are neither white supremacists
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确实,在白色乌托邦生活的许多白人,并不是白人之上主义者
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or white separatists;
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也不是白人分离主义者
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in fact, they're not there for explicitly racial reasons at all.
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实际上,他们根本不是由于特定的种族原因而生活在此
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Rather, they emigrate there
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恰恰相反,他们迁居于此
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for friendliness, comfort, security, safety --
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是为了友好,舒适, 安全,踏实
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reasons that they implicitly associate to whiteness in itself.
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他们将这些原因与白种人自身紧密相连
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Next stop was Georgia.
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下一站是乔治亚
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In Georgia, I stayed in an exurb north of Atlanta.
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在这里,我住在亚特兰大北边的郊区
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In Utah, I found poker;
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我在犹他,学会了扑克
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in Idaho, I found guns;
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我在爱达荷,与枪结缘
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in Georgia, I found God.
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我在乔治亚,感受到了上帝
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(Laughter)
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(笑声)
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The way that I immersed myself in this Whitopia
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我融入这个白色乌托邦的方法
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was to become active at First Redeemer Church,
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是在第一救世主教堂变得积极主动
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a megachurch that's so huge that it has golf carts
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这个大型教堂如此之大,以至于它有自己的高尔夫球车
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to escort the congregants around its many parking lots on campus.
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用来护送教徒们穿梭于校园里的众多停车场
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I was active in the youth ministry.
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我在青年义工团非常活跃
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And for me, personally, I was more comfortable in this Whitopia
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对于我自身而言,比起科罗拉多,爱达荷,甚至波士顿而言,
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than say, in a Colorado, or an Idaho, or even a suburban Boston.
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我更喜欢这个白色乌托邦
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That is because [there], in Georgia,
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原因是白色人种和黑色人种
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white people and black people are more historically familiar to one another.
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在很久以前就彼此熟知
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I was less exotic in this Whitopia.
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这使得我在乔治亚没有那么的异国情调
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(Laughter)
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(笑声)
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But what does it all mean?
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但是,这一切都说明了什么呢?
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Whitopian dreaming, Whitopia migration, is a push-pull phenomenon,
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白色乌托邦幻想和白色乌托邦迁移史,是一个推拉式现象
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full of alarming pushes and alluring pulls,
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充满了令人震惊的推力和让人诱惑的拉力
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and Whitopia operates at the level of conscious and unconscious bias.
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而且白色乌托邦在有意与无意间的偏见中运行着
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It's possible for people to be in Whitopia not for racist reasons,
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人们来到白色乌托邦并不都是因为种族问题
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though it has racist outcomes.
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但是这造成了种族主义
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Many Whitopians feel pushed by illegals,
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许多白色乌托邦人觉得被非法行为,滥用社会福利,
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social welfare abuse, minorities, density, crowded schools.
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少数族裔,人口密度,拥挤的学校推出去
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Many Whitopians feel pulled by merit,
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许多白色乌托邦人因奖金,自由,特权诱惑
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freedom, the allure of privatism -- privatized places, privatized people,
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私人领域,私有化人民,私有财产
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privatized things.
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而拉进去
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And I learned in Whitopia how a country can have racism
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我从白色乌托邦所学到,在一个没有种族主义者的国家
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without racists.
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如何能够存在着种族主义
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Many of my smug urban liberal friends
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我许多的特立独行的都市自由主义的朋友
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couldn't believe I would go on such a venture.
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难以相信我踏上了这样一个旅途
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The reality is that many white Americans are affable and kind.
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事实上许多白种美国人是友善和蔼的
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Interpersonal race relations -- how we treat each other as human beings --
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如今种族间的人际关系——我们如何像对待人类一样对待彼此
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are vastly better than in my parents' generation.
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比我父母那一代人好得多
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Can you imagine me going to Whitopia 40 years ago?
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你能想象四十年前,我去白色乌托邦旅游吗
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What a journey that would have been.
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那该是多么难以描述的旅程啊
10:43
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
10:45
And yet, some things haven't changed.
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然而,有些事情并没有变化
10:47
America is as residentially and educationally segregated today
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美国目前还是存在教育阶级及居住地隔离分层现象
10:54
as it was in 1970.
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和1970年的情况并没有什么差别
10:59
As Americans, we often find ways to cook for each other,
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作为美国人,我们经常可以一起做饭
11:04
to dance with each other,
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一起跳舞
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to host with each other,
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互相做客
11:07
but why can't that translate into how we treat each other as communities?
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但是我们为什么不能转变成我们彼此作为族群社区存在呢
11:13
It's a devastating irony,
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这是天大的讽刺
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how we have gone forward as individuals,
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我们在个体层面进步
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and backwards as communities.
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却在族群方面退步
11:23
One of the Whitopian outlooks that really hit me
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白色乌托邦最让我震惊的是一句谚语
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was a proverbial saying:
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那句话是这样讲的
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"One black man is a delightful dinner guest;
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一个黑人是一个受人喜爱的晚餐贵宾
11:33
50 black men is a ghetto."
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五十个黑人就变成了贫民窟
11:40
One of the big contexts animating my Whitopian journey was the year 2042.
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鼓励我坚持我的白色乌托邦之旅的大背景是2042年
11:48
By 2042, white people will no longer be the American majority.
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到了2042年,白人不再是美国人口的主要构成
11:55
As such, will there be more Whitopias?
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既然如此,会有更多的白色乌托邦出现吗
12:00
In looking at this,
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在思考这个问题时
12:02
the danger of Whitopia is that the more segregation we have,
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白色乌托邦带来的危险是,人们越分离
12:09
the less we can look at and confront conscious and unconscious bias.
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就越无法看到有意无意的偏见
12:18
I ventured on my two-year, 27,000 mile journey
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在我两年的两万七千英里的旅途中
12:22
to learn where, why, and how white people are fleeing,
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我了解了白人为什么要逃,逃去那里,怎么逃
12:27
but I didn't expect to have so much fun on my journey.
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但是我并没想到这个旅途会如此有趣
12:30
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
12:31
I didn't expect to learn so much about myself.
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我也并没有期望能更了解自己
12:35
I don't expect I'll be living in a Whitopia --
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我没想过居住在白色乌托邦
12:38
or a Blacktopia, for that matter.
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或者黑色乌托邦。但是
12:41
I do plan to continue golfing every chance I get.
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我有计划着一有机会就去打高尔夫
12:45
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
12:46
And I'll just have to leave the guns and megachurches back in Whitopia.
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而且我得和白色乌托邦里的枪支和大型教堂说再见了
12:52
Thank you.
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谢谢
12:53
(Applause)
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(掌声)
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