Grief and love in the animal kingdom | Barbara J. King

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00:12
I'd like to tell you today about an orca named Tahlequah.
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今天我要讲一头虎鲸的故事, 她名叫塔勒阔,
00:17
Tahlequah is also known as J35 to scientists,
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科学家们也叫它 J35,
00:21
because she swims with the J Pod in the Salish Sea.
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因为她和代号为 J 的鲸群 一起生活在赛利希海域,
00:24
These are the waters off of British Columbia and Washington State.
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这片水域毗邻 加拿大卑诗省和美国华盛顿州。
00:28
Now, last year, in July 2018,
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去年,也就是 2018 年 7 月,
00:32
she was well along in her 17-month pregnancy,
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怀有 17 个月身孕的她一切正常,
00:36
and scientists were very excited
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科学家们都特别兴奋,
00:38
because no baby had survived in this pod for three long years.
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因为在长达 3 年的时间里, 这个鲸群的宝宝都夭折了。
00:44
Now, orcas are also known as killer whales.
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虎鲸,又被称为逆戟鲸(杀手鲸)。
00:47
They're profoundly social and profoundly intelligent beings.
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虎鲸是高度社会化、高智商动物,
00:52
And scientists are very interested in their behavior,
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科学家们对它们的行为很感兴趣,
00:55
because in their social networks, they share habits, information
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因为它们在社交网中 分享习性、信息、
00:59
and even affection.
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甚至还分享情感,
01:00
They create true cultures of the ocean.
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它们创造了真正的海洋文化。
01:04
But this pod has been in trouble.
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但这个鲸群遇到了困难,
01:08
The Chinook salmon that the orcas favor has been way down in the region,
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该水域里虎鲸喜食的 奇努克鲑鱼数量骤减,
01:12
and pollution has been up.
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而且水污染在持续恶化。
01:15
But on July 24th, Tahlequah gave birth to a daughter,
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而在 7 月 24 日, 塔勒阔生了个女儿,
01:20
and scientists were so excited by this development.
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科学家们对此进展兴奋不已。
01:24
But unfortunately, the same day -- in fact, shortly after birth --
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但不幸的是,就在同一天—— 其实,就在出生后不久,
01:28
the calf died.
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虎鲸宝宝就夭折了。
01:31
Well, what happened next electrified animal lovers
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然而,接下来发生的一幕
震惊了全世界的动物爱好者,
01:34
across the world,
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01:35
because Tahlequah refused to let her baby slip off into the water.
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因为塔勒阔拒绝 让宝宝尸体沉入水底。
01:40
She kept it on her body and she swam with it.
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她背上驮着尸体一起游泳,
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If it did fall off, she would dive and rescue it,
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如果尸体滑落, 她会潜水再把尸体救起,
01:47
and she battled stiff currents to do this.
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全然不顾激流的危险。
01:51
Now, she kept this behavior up
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她驮着宝宝的尸体
01:53
for 17 days,
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游了整整 17 天,
01:56
and during this time, she swam over 1,000 miles.
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一共游了 1000 多英里,
02:00
At that point, she let the little baby slip off into the water.
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那时,她才让小宝宝 从她背上滑落、坠入水里。
02:04
So today, Tahlequah swims on with the J Pod,
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今天,塔勒阔 依然跟随着 J 鲸群,
02:09
but her grief still moves me.
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但她的悲痛依然感动着我。
02:12
And I do believe that "grief" is the right word to use.
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我深信用“悲痛”这个词不为过,
02:16
I believe that grief is the right word to use
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我用“悲痛”这个词,
02:18
for numerous animals who mourn the dead.
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是因为无数动物 会哀悼死去的同类,
02:21
They may be friends or mates or relatives.
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死者可能是它们的朋友、 伙伴或亲戚。
02:25
Because these visible cues, these behavioral cues,
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因为这些可见的行为线索
02:28
tell us something about an animal's emotional state.
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告诉我们动物情感状态的信息。
02:32
Now, for the last seven years,
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在过去的 7 年里,
02:34
I've been working to document examples of animal grief --
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我一直在记录动物悲痛的例子——
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in birds, in mammals,
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有鸟儿的、哺乳动物的,
02:39
in domesticated animals and in wild animals --
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家养动物的和野生动物的——
02:42
and I believe in the reality of animal grief.
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我相信动物的 悲痛情感真实存在。
02:46
Now, I say it this way
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我这样说,
02:48
because I need to acknowledge to you right up front
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是因为我必须事先说明
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that not all scientists agree with me.
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并非所有科学家都同意我的观点。
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And part of the reason, I think,
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我觉得,部分原因
02:55
is because of what I call the "a-word."
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是因为我所说的“A-单词”。
02:58
The a-word is anthropomorphism,
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这个单词就是“拟人化“,
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and historically, it's been a big deterrent
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它一直被用来
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to recognizing animal emotions.
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区分动物情感。
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So, anthropomorphism is when we project onto other animals
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当把我们的能力和感情
03:09
our capacities or our emotions.
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想象到动物身上时,就是拟人化。
03:12
And we can all probably think of examples of this.
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而且,我们都可能想出这样的例子。
03:16
Let's say we have a friend who tells us,
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假设一位朋友告诉我们说,
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"My cat understands everything I say."
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“我的猫咪明白我说的所有事情。”
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Or, "My dog, he's so sweet.
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或,“我的狗太可爱了,
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he ran right across the yard this morning towards a squirrel,
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今天早上他穿过院子追松鼠,
03:28
and I know he just wants to play."
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我知道他只想玩而已。”
03:30
Well, maybe.
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好吧,也许吧;
03:32
Or maybe not.
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或者,也许不是。
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I'm skeptical about claims like those.
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我对类似那样的说法表示怀疑。
03:37
But animal grief is different,
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但动物的悲痛与此不同,
03:39
because we're not trying to read an animal's mind.
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因为,我们不是试图解读动物的想法,
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We're looking at visible cues of behavior
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我们在观察可见的行为线索,
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and trying to interpret them with some meaning.
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并尝试用某种意义来解释它们。
03:47
Now, it's true -- scientists often push back at me,
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这是真的 —— 科学家经常反驳我,
03:50
and they'll say,
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他们会说,
03:51
"Ah, look, the animal might be stressed,
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“啊,看呐,这动物可能压力大,
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or maybe the animal's just confused
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抑或,这动物很困惑,
03:55
because his or her routine has been disrupted."
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因为它的日常生活被打乱了。”
03:58
But I think that this overworry about anthropomorphism
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但我认为,这种 关于拟人化的过度担忧
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misses a fundamental point.
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忽略了一个基本点,
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And that is that animals can care very deeply for each other,
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就是动物们会深深关爱彼此,
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maybe they even love each other.
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甚至爱上彼此。
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And when they do,
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当他们爱彼此时,
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a survivor's heart can be pierced by a death.
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一方的去世会伤透生者的心。
04:17
Let's face it:
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我们看一看:
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if we deny evolutionary continuity,
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如果我们否认进化的连续性,
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we are really missing out on embracing part of ourselves.
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我们真会错过拥抱自己的一部分。
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So yes, I believe in the reality of animal grief,
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所以是的,我相信动物悲伤的现实,
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and I also think that if we recognize it,
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我也认为如果我们认识到它,
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we can make the world a better place for animals,
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就能让这个世界 成为更适合动物的地方,
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a kinder place for animals.
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一个对动物更友善的地方。
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So let me tell you a little bit more about animal grief.
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容我多告诉你一些 关于动物悲伤的事情,
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I'm going to start in Kenya.
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就从肯尼亚开始吧。
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You see here there's an elephant named Eleanor
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你看到这里有一头 名叫埃莉诺的大象,
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who came one day with bruised legs,
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一天她来的时候,腿上伤痕累累,
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and she collapsed.
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最终倒地不起。
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You see on the left
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你看到在她左边,
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that another female named Grace came to her right away
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另一头名叫格蕾丝的母象 立刻来到她身旁,
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and, using her own trunk, propped her up,
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并用自己的鼻子扶起她,
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tried to get her up on her feet.
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试图让她站立起来。
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And she did succeed,
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她真帮埃莉诺站起来了,
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but then Eleanor collapsed again.
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但接着她又倒地不起。
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At this point, Grace became visibly distressed,
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此时,格蕾丝明显很忧虑,
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and she prodded the body, and she vocalized.
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她捅了捅埃莉诺的身体, 并发出悲鸣。
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Eleanor collapsed again,
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然而,埃莉诺又倒下了,
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and unfortunately, she did die.
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不幸的是,她最终还是死了。
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What you see on the right is a female from another family named Maui,
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右边的大象是叫毛伊的母象, 她来自另一个大象家庭,
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who came after the death, and she stayed at the body.
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埃莉诺死后,她来到了这里, 并待在尸体旁边。
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She held a vigil there, and she even rocked in distress
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她在那里替埃莉诺守夜, 她甚至在尸体周围
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over the body.
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悲伤地晃身顿足。
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So the scientists watching the elephants
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所以观察大象的科学家们
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kept close observation on Eleanor's body
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对埃莉诺的尸体
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for seven days.
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密切监视了七天。
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And during those seven days,
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在那七天的时间里,
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a parade of elephants came
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来自五个不同家庭的大象
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from five different families.
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结队来到了这里。
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Now, some were just curious,
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有些大象只是感到好奇,
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but others carried out behaviors
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但其它大象的行为
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that I really believe should be classified as grief.
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让我真相信应被归类为悲伤。
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So what does grief look like?
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那么悲伤是怎样表现的呢?
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It can be rocking, as I said, in distress.
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像我说的,可能是 悲痛地剧烈晃动身体,
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It can also be social withdrawal,
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也可能表现为不合群,
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when an animal just takes himself or herself away from friends
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即一只动物离开朋友们
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and stays by themselves,
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并独自生活,
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or a failure to eat or sleep properly,
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或不能正常进食或睡眠,
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sometimes a depressed posture or vocalization.
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有时做出沮丧的姿势或悲鸣。
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It can be very helpful for those of us studying this
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对于我们这些研究动物情感的人来说,
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to be able to compare the behavior of a survivor before death
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能够比较死前和之后幸存者的行为
是非常有帮助的,
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and after death,
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because that increases the rigor of our interpretation.
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因为这增加了我们解释的严谨性。
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And I can explain this to you
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通过谈论两只鸭子哈珀和科尔,
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by talking about two ducks named Harper and Kohl.
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我可以向你解释这一点,
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So we're into birds now.
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所以我们现在要讨论鸟类了。
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So Harper and Kohl were raised at a foie gras factory,
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哈珀和科尔在一家鹅肝厂养大,
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and they were treated cruelly.
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它们在那里受到残酷对待。
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Foie gras does involve force-feeding of birds.
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鹅肝确实涉及强制喂养鸟类,
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So this hurt their bodies, and their spirits were not in good shape, either.
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强制喂养不但伤害它们的身体, 它们的精神状态也很糟糕。
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But thankfully, they were rescued by a farm sanctuary in upstate New York.
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但幸运的是,纽约州北部的 一个农场庇护救了它俩,
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And for four years, they stabilized, and they were fast friends.
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四年来,他们安居于此, 并成为密友,
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They often took themselves to a small pond on the property.
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经常一起去农场的一个小池塘。
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Then, Kohl started to have really intractable pain in his legs,
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后来,科尔开始腿疼的厉害, 但无药可救,
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and it was clear to the sanctuary that he had to be euthanized humanely,
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庇护所必须实施安乐死 以减少他的痛苦,
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and he was.
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最终,他被安乐死了。
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But then the sanctuary workers did a brilliant thing,
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接下来,庇护所工作人员 做了一件很棒的事情,
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because they brought Harper to the body to see.
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他们把哈珀带到科尔身旁, 看他的反应。
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And at first, Harper prodded the body of his friend,
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起初,哈珀戳了戳朋友的身体,
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but then he laid himself over it,
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然后就趴在朋友的尸体上面,
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and he stayed there for over an hour with his friend.
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陪着他的朋友 在那里待了一个多小时。
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And in the weeks after,
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随后的几个星期里,
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he had a hard time.
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哈珀过得很艰难,
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He would go back to that same pond where he had been with Kohl,
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他会回到以前 与科尔同去的小池塘,
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and he didn't want any other friends.
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并拒绝与其它朋友们在一起。
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And within two months, he died as well.
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不出 2 个月,哈珀也死了。
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Now, I'm happy to say
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现在,我很高兴地说,
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that not all grieving animals have this sorrowful outcome.
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并非所有悲伤的动物 都有这种伤心的表现。
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Last summer, I flew to Boston to visit my adult daughter, Sarah.
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去年夏天,我飞往波士顿 看望已成年的女儿莎拉,
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I was with my husband Charlie.
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是和我先生查理同去的,
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I really needed a break from work.
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我确实需要休息一下。
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But I succumbed, and I checked my work email.
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但我还是忍不住 查看了工作邮件,
你了解那种放不下工作的情况。
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You know how that is.
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07:58
And there was a communication about a dejected donkey.
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邮箱里有封关于一头 沮丧驴子的通讯,
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Now, as an anthropologist, this wasn't what I expected,
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作为一名人类学家, 按理说这不是我所期望的,
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but there it was, and I'm glad I read it.
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但它就在邮箱里, 我很高兴自己读了它。
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Because a donkey named Lena had gone to another farm sanctuary,
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一头叫莉娜的驴子
来到了位于加拿大 阿尔伯塔的另一个农场庇护所,
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this one in Alberta, Canada,
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08:14
as the only donkey there,
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作为那里唯一的驴子,
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and had trouble making friends for that reason.
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莉娜很难交到朋友。
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But she eventually did make friends with an older horse named Jake,
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但最终她和 叫扎克的老马成了朋友,
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and for three years they were inseparable.
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三年来,他俩形影不离。
08:26
But the reason the email came was that Jake, at age 32, the horse,
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这封邮件是因为 已32岁高龄的扎克
病得很重,必须要杀死他 以减轻他的痛苦,
08:30
had become gravely ill and had to be put down,
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and this is what was going on.
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接下来就是所发生的一切。
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This is Lena standing on Jake's grave.
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图中的莉娜站在扎克的墓上,
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She didn't want to come in at night. She didn't want to come in for food.
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她不想晚上来, 不想为了吃东西而来,
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She didn't want to come in for water.
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也不想为了喝水而来,
08:44
She pawed at the grave, she brayed in distress,
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她用爪子刨着墓地、悲鸣不已,
08:47
and there she stood.
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她就站在那里。
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So we talked and we brainstormed.
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因此,我们一起讨论、头脑风暴,
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What do you do for an animal like this?
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对这样的动物,我们该怎么办?
08:55
And we talked about the role of time,
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我们谈到了时间的作用、
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of extra love and kindness from people
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人们对她的额外关爱和善意,
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and of urging her to make a new friend.
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以及敦促她结交新朋友。
09:03
And here's where her trajectory does diverge from that of Harper the duck,
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自此,她的驴生与 鸭子哈珀的生活不同,
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because she did make a new friend,
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因为她真的结交了新朋友,
09:09
and sanctuary workers wrote back and said it worked out well.
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庇护所工作人员回信说, 新友情帮她改善了很多。
09:14
Now sometimes, scientists supplement observation
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有些情况下, 科学家们用荷尔蒙激素分析
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with hormonal analysis.
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来补充观察结果。
09:19
There's an example of a group of scientists in Botswana,
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这个例子是博茨瓦纳一组科学家的,
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who took fecal material from baboons and compared two different groups.
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他们提取狒狒粪便, 用来比较两个不同群体。
09:27
The first group were females who had witnessed a predator attack
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第一组是雌性狒狒, 她们目睹了捕食者的袭击,
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and lost someone in that attack,
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并在袭击中失去了一位成员,
09:34
and the second group were females who had witnessed an attack
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第二组也是雌性狒狒,
她们虽目睹袭击,但无成员伤亡。
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but had not lost someone.
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And the stress hormones were way up in that first group.
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第一组的压力荷尔蒙高出很多。
09:41
But here's the thing:
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但事情是这样的:
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the scientists didn't just call them "stressed baboons,"
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科学家们并未 简单称她们“紧张的狒狒”,
09:45
they called them "bereaved baboons,"
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而是称她们为“丧亲的狒狒”,
09:48
and in part, that's because of the observations that they made.
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部分原因是,他们 所做的观察导致了这样的称呼。
09:52
For example, this mother-daughter pair were very close,
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例如,这位妈妈和女儿很亲密,
09:55
and then the daughter was killed by a lion.
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之后,女儿被狮子杀害。
09:58
The mother removed herself from all her friends,
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这位妈妈离开所有的朋友,
10:00
from her grooming networks, and just stayed by herself for weeks --
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离开互梳毛发的圈子, 离群索居了几周的时间——
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bereavement --
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丧亲之痛——
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and she then slowly recovered.
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之后她才慢慢恢复过来。
10:11
So we have bereaved baboons.
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所以,怀有丧亲之痛的 狒狒的确存在。
10:13
Will science tell us someday about bereaved bees?
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将来,科学会告诉我们 也有丧亲之痛的蜜蜂吗?
10:17
Will we hear about frogs who mourn?
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将来我们会听说青蛙也忧伤吗?
10:21
I don't think so, and I think the reason is because animals really need
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我不那么认为,
因为动物们真正需要一对一、 亲密无间的关系才会那样,
10:25
one-to-one, close relationships for that to happen.
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10:28
I also know that circumstance matters, and personality matters.
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我也知道这与环境有关、 与性格有关。
10:33
I have documented cats and dogs who grieve,
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我记录了悲伤的猫和狗,
10:36
our companion animals,
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它们是我们的伴侣动物。
但我也和一位女士交流过,
10:38
but I also interacted with a woman who was extremely bothered
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10:40
because her dog wasn't grieving.
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因为她的狗没有悲伤让她很闹心。
10:43
She said to me, "The first dog in the house has died.
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她告诉我,“家里的第一条狗死了,
10:47
The second animal does not seem concerned, the second dog.
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第二条狗看起来根本不在乎,
10:50
What is wrong with him?"
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他是不是有毛病?”
10:51
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
10:53
And as I listened to her,
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当我听她讲述时,
10:55
I realized that this dog was now the only animal in the household,
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就意识到,这条狗 现在是家里唯一的动物,
10:59
and as far as he was concerned, that was a pretty good deal.
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在他看来,他现在独享恩宠, 这个结果不错哦。
11:03
So circumstances matter.
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因此,环境因素很重要。
11:06
Now, in any case, animals are not going to grieve
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无论如何,
动物悲伤不会完全像我们一样,
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exactly like we do.
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11:11
We have human creativity.
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我们有人类的创造力。
11:13
We paint our grief, dance our grief,
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我们会把悲伤画出来、 通过舞蹈表现出来、
11:16
write our grief.
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把悲伤写出来。
11:18
We also can grieve for people we've never met,
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我们也会为未曾谋面的人悲伤,
11:21
across space and time.
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穿越时空限制。
11:23
I felt this strongly when I went to Berlin
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当我去柏林、站在 大屠杀纪念馆前时,
11:26
and I stood at the Holocaust Memorial.
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就深深感受到这一点。
11:29
Animals don't grieve exactly like we do,
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动物们悲伤不会完全像我们一样,
11:31
but this doesn't mean that their grief isn't real.
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但这不代表他们的悲伤不真实。
11:34
It is real, and it's searing,
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它们的悲伤是真切的、强烈的,
11:37
and we can see it if we choose.
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如果我们选择去看, 就能看到它们的悲伤。
11:41
Now, I've lost both my parents.
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如今,我双亲尽失,
11:43
I lost a very dear friend at a young age from AIDS.
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我还失去了一位年纪轻轻 就死于艾滋病的好友,
11:48
I believe most likely most of you here have lost someone.
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相信可能在座各位都失去过亲人。
11:52
And I have found it a genuine comfort,
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当发现我们不是地球上 唯一感知爱和悲伤的生命时,
11:56
a solace, to know that we aren't the only beings on this earth
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我感到这是一种真正的安慰,
12:00
who feel love and grief.
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我感到一种慰藉。
12:04
And I think this is important.
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我认为这一点很重要,
12:06
I also think we can take this a step further,
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也认为我们可以更进一步,
12:08
and we can realize that the reality of animal grief
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我们就能认识到,
12:11
can help us be better and do better for animals.
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认清动物的悲伤可以帮我们 变得更好、为动物做得更好,
12:15
This is already happening with Tahlequah,
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这一点已经帮到塔勒阔了,
12:17
because the United States and Canada have renewed their talks with greater urgency
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因为美国和加拿大 已经加急重启讨论,
12:22
for how to help the orcas,
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讨论如何帮助虎鲸、
12:24
how to restore the Chinook salmon
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如何恢复奇努克鲑鱼、
12:26
and how to help with the water pollution.
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以及如何解决水污染问题。
12:29
We can also see that if grief is real,
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如果悲伤是真实的, 那么我们也能认识到
12:31
there's tremendous plausibility to the notion
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动物能感受各种事情的概念
12:34
that animals feel a whole range of things.
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是极其合理的。
12:37
So we could look at joy, sadness, even hope.
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所以,我们可以看到 快乐、悲伤,甚至希望。
12:42
And if we do that,
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如果我们看到这些情绪,
12:44
here's how we can start to think about the world.
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那么,下面是我们如何 开始思考这个世界。
12:46
We can look at orcas and say,
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我们能看着虎鲸们说,
12:48
we know they grieve, we know they feel their lives,
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我们知道他们悲伤、 我们了解它们感知到自己的生命,
12:51
and we can refuse to confine them to small tanks in theme parks
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我们就能拒绝把它们囚禁 在主题公园的小池子里、
12:57
and make them perform for our entertainment.
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并让它们表演供我们欣赏。
13:00
(Applause)
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(掌声)
13:02
Thank you.
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谢谢!
13:04
We can look at elephants and say, yes, they grieve,
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我们能看着大象们说, 是的,它们很悲伤,
13:07
and we can renew our efforts against international trophy hunting
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我们可以继续努力反对国际范围的
13:11
and against poaching.
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战利品狩猎活动和偷猎。
13:13
(Applause)
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(掌声)
13:15
Thank you.
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谢谢!
13:16
And we can look at our closest living relatives, monkeys and apes,
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并且能看着我们最近的 动物近亲,猴子和猩猩,
13:20
and know yes they grieve, they feel their lives,
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知道他们很悲伤、能 感受到自己的生命,
13:23
so they don't deserve to be confined
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所以,它们不该
年复一年地被用于高度侵入性的
13:25
in highly invasive biomedical experiments
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13:29
year after year.
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生物医学实验中。
13:31
And, you know --
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而且,你要知道——
13:32
(Applause)
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(掌声)
13:33
the ducks Harper and Kohl, they tell us something too.
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鸭子哈珀和科尔 也告诉了我们一些事情,
13:37
They help us connect the dots and realize that what we eat
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它们帮助我们把信息 拼凑起来,并意识到
我们吃的东西会影响 动物的生活方式。
13:41
affects how animals live.
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13:43
And it's not just foie gras, and it's not just ducks.
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这不仅仅关乎鹅肝、 不仅仅是鸭肉,
13:46
We can think about pigs and chickens and cows in factory farms,
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想想动物养殖场的 猪、鸡和奶牛,
13:52
and we can know.
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就知道我们影响了它们。
13:53
I can tell you the science is real that these animals feel, too.
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我可以告诉大家,关于 这些动物有感觉的科学是真的。
13:57
So every single time we choose a plant-based meal,
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因此,每次我们选择吃素食时,
14:01
we are contributing to reducing animal suffering.
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就是为减少动物痛苦 尽了一份力。
14:06
(Applause)
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(掌声)
14:09
So yes, I believe in the reality of animal grief.
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是的,我相信动物悲伤是真实的,
14:13
I believe in the reality of animal love,
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我相信动物相爱也是真实的,
14:16
and I think it is time for us humans
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我认为我们人类应该认识到,
14:18
to recognize that we don't own these things.
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悲伤与爱不是我们独有的东西。
14:21
And when we see that,
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当我们看到悲伤与爱时,
14:23
we have an opportunity to make the world so much better for animals,
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我们就有机会让动物世界变得更好,
14:27
a kinder world, a gentler world,
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对动物更友善、更温和的世界,
14:29
and along the way, we might just save ourselves, too.
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在此过程中,我们 可能也拯救了自己。
14:34
Thank you so much.
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非常感谢!
14:35
(Applause)
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(掌声)
14:37
Thank you. Thank you.
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谢谢!谢谢!
(掌声)
14:39
(Applause)
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