What's your 200-year plan? | Raghava KK

Translator: Joseph Geni Reviewer: Morton Bast

翻译人员: Yuguo Zhang 校对人员: David Shi

About 75 years ago,

大约在75年前,

my grandfather, a young man,

我那还很年轻的祖父

walked into a tent

走进了一个帐篷

that was converted into a

改装而成的

movie theater like that,

电影院,

and he fell hopelessly in love

而他马上疯狂地爱上

with the woman he saw on the

了在银幕上的女人:

silver screen: none other than Mae West,

那人是在三十年代的

the heartthrob of the '30s,

万人迷梅·蕙丝.

and he could never forget her.

他从此对她无法忘怀,

In fact, when he had his daughter

甚至於几年后

many years later, he wanted to

当他有了一个女儿,

name her after Mae West,

他想把她改名為梅·蕙丝.

but can you imagine an Indian

但你不可能想像有一个

child name Mae West?

印度孩子叫梅·蕙丝,

The Indian family said, no way!

印度的家庭都说:绝对不行！

So when my twin brother Kaesava

所以当我的孪生兄弟Kaesava出生时,

was born, he decided to tinker

他决定在Keshava的名字的拼写上

with the spelling of Keshava's name.

作出一点修改,

He said, if Mae West can be M-A-E,

他说既然梅·蕙丝可以是拼成 M-A-E,

why can't Keshava be K-A-E?

為什麼Keshava 不可以是 K-A-E,

So he changed Kaesava's spelling.

所以他把Kaeshava 的拼写改变.

Now Kaesava had a baby boy

而Kaeshava 在几星期前

called Rehan a couple of weeks ago.

有了一个小男孩名叫Rehan,

He decided to spell, or, rather,

他决定把它拼成或可以说是把它

misspell Raehan with an A-E.

拼错為Raehan，有一个A-E.

You know, my grandfather died

你要知道，我的祖父

many years ago when I was

在我还是很小的时候已经去世,

little, but his love for Mae

但他对梅·蕙丝的爱

West lives on as a misspelling

以拼字错误的方式

in the DNA of his progeny.

长存在他后代的DNA上,

That for me is successful legacy. (Laughs)

我觉得这是一个成功的遗传(笑)

You know, as for me,

而至於我,

my wife and I have our own

我太太和我有一个

crazy legacy project.

疯狂的传奇计划,

We actually sit every few years,

我们事实上每几年都在

argue, disagree, fight,

争论，反对，争执

and actually come up with our

最终想出

very own 200-year plan.

我们的二百年计划.

Our friends think we're mad.

我们的朋友认为我们疯掉,

Our parents think we're cuckoo.

我们的父母也认为我们疯掉,

Because, you know, we both

因为我们两个

come from families that really

都是来自一个

look up to humility and wisdom,

谦逊和智慧的家庭,

but we both like to live

但我们两个都想生存

larger than life.

得比生命更伟大.

I believe in the concept of

我相信一个胜王瑜伽行者的概念,

a Raja Yogi: Be a dude before

要成为一个苦行者前,

you can become an ascetic.

你先要成为一个讲究生活的人.

This is me being a rock star,

这是我成为一个摇滚巨星,

even if it's in my own house.

虽然只是在家里.

You know?

你能理解吧.

So when Netra and I sat down

当我太太Netra和我

to make our first plan

在十年前坐下

10 years ago, we said

去制定我们第一个计划时,

we want the focus of this plan

我们希望这计划的重点是

to go way beyond ourselves.

要远远超越我们.

What do we mean by beyond ourselves?

那么超越我们是指什么呢?

Well 200 years, we calculated,

噢，我们计算二百年后

is at the end of our direct

将会是我们对世界

contact with the world.

的直接连接的终结.

There's nobody I'll meet in

我所认识的人

my life will ever live beyond

没有人可以生存超过

200 years, so we thought

二百年。所以我们想,

that's a perfect place where

这将是把我们的计划

we should situate our plan and

扎根的好地方,

let our imagination take flight.

并让我们的想像起飞.

You know, I never really

你知道我从来不相信传承.

believed in legacy. What am I

我会留下什么呢?

going to leave behind? I'm an artist.

我是一个艺术家,

Until I made a cartoon about 9/11.

直至我作了有关911的卡通.

It caused so much trouble for me.

它带给我很多的麻烦,

I was so upset.

我非常的失落,

You know, a cartoon that was

那个卡通本来只想成为

meant to be a cartoon of the week

本周最佳卡通片,

ended up staying so much longer.

结果它持续了很长时间.

Now I'm in the business of

现在我所从事的就是

creating art that will

创作一定可以

definitely even outlive me, and

比我活得更久的作品.

I think about what I want to

我会想我希望透过那些作品

leave behind through those paintings.

留下什么.

You know, the 9/11 cartoon

你知道911的卡通

upset me so much that I decided

令我非常沮丧,

I'll never cartoon again.

使我打算不再作卡通了.

I said, I'm never going to make any

我说:我不会再

honest public commentary again.

发表坦诚的公开评论了.

But of course I continued

但当然我还是继续

creating artwork that was honest

创作真诚和原创的作品.

and raw, because I forgot about

因为我忘记了别人

how people reacted to my work.

对我的作品的反应.

You know, sometimes forgetting

你知道有时健忘

is so important to remain idealistic.

能令人保持理想.

Perhaps loss of memory is so

可能失去记忆

crucial for our survival

对于人类的生存

as human beings.

至关重要.

One of the most important things

Netra和我

in my 200-year plan that Netra

在我们的200年计划中

and I write is what to forget

一件最重要的事情就是

about ourselves.

如何忘记自己.

You know, we carry so much

你知道我们背负着很多包袱,

baggage, from our parents,

从父母

from our society, from so many

从社会，从很多人 --

people -- fears, insecurities -- and

恐惧，不安感.

our 200-year plan really lists

我们的200年计划列举了

all our childhood problems that we have to expire.

我们应该终止的儿时问题.

We actually put an expiry date

我们甚至乎在我们的儿时问题上

on all our childhood problems.

加上一个到期日.

The latest date I put was,

最近我加上的日期是,

I said, I am going to expire

我打算停止对

my fear of my leftist, feminist

我左倾和崇尚男女平等主义

mother-in-law, and this

的外祖母的恐惧.

today is the date! (Laughs)

而到期日就是今天(笑)

She's watching. (Laughter)

她正在看(笑)

Anyway, you know, I really

总之我时常

make decisions all the time

对我希望如何能记住自己

about how I want to remember

而作出决定,

myself, and that's the most important

而这些决定是我做出的

kind of decisions I make.

所有决定中最重要的部分.

And this directly translates

这些直接反映

into my paintings.

在我的画作中.

But like my friends, I can do

如同我的朋友,

that really well on Facebook,

我可以在脸谱网(Facebook)

Pinterest, Twitter, Flickr, YouTube.

Pinterest, 微博(Twitter)，照相簿(Flickr)，网上短片(youTube)中做得很好.

Name it, I'm on it.

你能说出的，我都在.

I've started outsourcing my

我开始把我的回忆

memory to the digital world,

外包给数码世界.

you know? But that comes

但你要知道,

with a problem.

这带来一个问题.

It's so easy to think of

你很容易以

technology as a metaphor

科技象征

for memory, but our brains

记忆,

are not perfect storage devices

但我们的大脑是不像

like technology.

科技那样一个完美存储设备.

We only remember what we

我们只会记着我们想记着的事情,

want to. At least I do.

至少我是这样.

And I rather think of our brains

我甚至认为我们的大脑

as biased curators of our

对我们的记忆

memory, you know? And if

进行有偏见的的管理.

technology is not a metaphor for

那如果科技不是记忆的象征,

memory, what is it?

那么它是什么呢？

Netra and I use our technology

Netra 和我以科技作为

as a tool in our 200-year plan

我们的200年计划的一个工具,

to really curate our digital legacy.

用以牧养我们的电子传承.

That is a picture of my mother,

这是我母亲的照片,

and she recently got a Facebook account.

她最近在脸谱网(Facebook)上创建了一个帐户,

You know where this is going.

你知道这将会怎样发展.

And I've been very supportive

我原先是非常支持她的,

until this picture shows up

直至这张照片出现

on my Facebook page. (Laughter)

在我的Facebook主页上.(笑声)

And I actually untagged myself

我真的把我自己移除,

first, then I picked up the

然后我拿起电话,

phone. I said, "Mom, you will

我说: "妈! 你以后不要再

never put a picture of me

把我穿着比基尼的照片

in a bikini ever again."

放在网上."

And she said, "Why? You look

而她说: "为什么，亲爱的，

so cute, darling." I said,

你很可爱呀"

"You just don't understand."

我说: "你真的不明白."

Maybe we are among the first

可能我们是第一代

generation that really understands

真的明白网络世界

this digital curating of ourselves.

如何塑造我们的人.

Maybe we are the first to even

甚至可能我们是最先

actively record our lives.

积极记录生活的人.

You know, whether you

无论你同意与否,

agree with, you know, legacy

你知道

or not, we are actually leaving

我们是无时无刻都在

behind digital traces all the time.

留下我们的电子足迹.

So Netra and I really wanted

所以Netra和我真的很想

to use our 200-year plan

用我们的200年计划

to curate this digital legacy,

来建立我们的电子遗传.

and not only digital legacy

不单单只是电子记忆,

but we believe in curating

我们是相信把

the legacy of my past

我们的过去与未来

and future.

好好的遗传下去.

How, you may ask?

你可能会问，那应怎样做呢?

Well, when I think of the future,

当我想着未来,

I never see myself moving forward

我从来不觉得自己是随着时间向前走,

in time. I actually see time

而是时间

moving backward towards me.

倒着走向我.

I can actually visualize

我可以想像

my future approaching.

我的将来在向我靠近.

I can dodge what I don't want

我可以躲开我不喜欢的事情,

and pull in what I want.

或是走进我喜欢的事情中.

It's like a video game obstacle

这好像电子游戏中的障碍赛.

course. And I've gotten better and better

我做得越来越好,

at doing this. Even when I make

甚至乎当我作画时,

a painting, I actually imagine

我可以幻想

I'm behind the painting,

站在画作背后,

it already exists, and

好像它已经存在一样.

someone's looking at it,

其他人在看着它,

and I see whether they're

而我可以见到他们

feeling it from their gut.

对它发自内心的感受.

Are they feeling it from their

他们是发自内心呢,

heart, or is it just a cerebral thing?

还是只是理性的?

And it really informs my painting.

这带给我很多讯息.

Even when I do an art show,

甚至乎当我在开画展时,

I really think about, what should

我真的会想象

people walk away with?

人们应该带走些什么?

I remember when I was 19,

我记得当我19岁的时候,

I did, I wanted to do my first

我想开我第一个画展.

art exhibition, and I wanted the

我希望全世界

whole world to know about it.

都知道这个画展.

I didn't know TED then,

我当时不知道TED,

but what I did was I closed

但我当时是把

my eyes tight, and I started

我的眼睛紧闭然后开始幻想.

dreaming. I could imagine people

我可以想像人们走进来,

coming in, dressed up, looking

盛装出席, 非常漂亮

beautiful, my paintings with all

我的画作成为全场的焦点.

the light, and in my visualization

而在我的幻想里,

I actually saw a very famous

我真的见到一位非常

actress launching my show,

有名的女艺人为我的画展剪采,

giving credibility to me.

给我赞赏.

And I woke up from my

我从我的幻想中醒来,

visualization and I said,

我问她是谁,

who was that? I couldn't tell

我不能分辨

if it was Shabana Azmi or Rekha,

她是谢花阿兹米还是瑞卡,

two very famous Indian actresses,

两位印度当红的女艺人,

like the Meryl Streeps of India.

有如印度的梅莉史翠普.

As it turned out, next morning

最后第二天,

I wrote a letter to both of them,

我写了一封信给她们,

and Shabana Azmi replied,

而谢花阿兹米回复了.

and came and launched

她来了为我的画展剪采,

my very first show 12 years ago.

在12年前我的第一个画展.

And what a bang it started

而这打响了

my career with! You know,

我的事业第一炮!

when we think of time in this

当我们用这方法思考时间,

way, we can curate not only the

你不但在建立将来,

future but also the past.

也在建立过去.

This is a picture of my family,

这是我的家庭照,

and that is Netra, my wife.

这是Netra, 我的太太,

She's the co-creator of my

她是我的200年计划的

200-year plan.

同创人.

Netra's a high school history

Netra是一个中学历史老师,

teacher. I love Netra,

我爱Netra,

but I hate history.

但我讨厌历史.

I keep saying, "Nets, you live

我常常说: "Nets, 你活在过去,

in the past while I'll create

而我在创造未来,

the future, and when I'm done,

当我完成了,

you can study about it."

你就可以研究它了."

(Laughter)

(笑)

She gave me an indulgent smile,

她会给我一个宽容的微笑,

and as punishment, she said,

而后作为一个惩罚，她会说:

"Tomorrow I'm teaching a class

"明天我将会教授

on Indian history, and you are

有关印度历史的课, 你要来上课,

sitting in it, and I'm grading you."

而我给你评分"

I'm like, "Oh, God." I went.

我会像"噢,我的天呀".

I actually went and sat in

我确实有去上她的课,

on her class. She started by

她开始给她的学生

giving students primary source

来自印度,巴基斯坦和英国

documents from India, Pakistan,

的原档案.

from Britain, and I said,

当时我就说"哇".

"Wow." Then she asked them to

而她叫她的学生

separate fact from bias.

把事实和偏见分开.

I said, "Wow," again.

我再一次说"哇".

Then she said, "Choose your

她会接着说: "拣选你的事实和偏见,

facts and biases and create an

而后创造出

image of your own story

你自己幻想的

of dignity."

一个故事.

History as an imaging tool?

历史作为一个幻想的工具?

I was so inspired.

那堂课给我很多灵感

I went and created my own

我也创作了我自己的

version of Indian history.

印度历史的版本.

I actually included stories from

我甚至于加入了

my grandmother.

来自我祖母的故事.

She used to work for the

她以往从事

telephone exchange, and she used

电话转接的工作.

to actually overhear conversations

有时她会听到

between Nehru and Edwina Mountbatten.

尼赫鲁和埃德维娜蒙巴顿的对话,

And she used to hear all

她会听到各种各样

kinds of things she shouldn't

她不应该听到的事情.

have heard. But, you know,

但你知道,

I include things like that.

我会把它放进去,

This is my version of Indian history.

而这成为我的印度历史的版本.

You know, if this

你知道, 我突然想到,

is so, it occurred to me that

如果是这样,

maybe, just maybe, the primary

可能，仅仅是可能,

objective of our brains

我们的大脑的主要目标

is to serve our dignity.

是服务我们的尊严.

Go tell Facebook to

告诉面谱网(Facebook)

figure that out!

去弄清楚怎么回事吧!

Netra and I don't write our

Netra和我不是為了别人

200-year plan for someone else

在150年后来实现

to come and execute it

我们写的200年计划,

in 150 years. Imagine receiving

试想你收到一个写着

a parcel saying, from the past,

来自过去的包裹,

okay now you're supposed to

而你将要用你的餘生

spend the rest of your life

去把它实现,

doing all of this. No.

不是这样的.

We actually write it only

我们这样做只为了

to set our attitudes right.

让我们能正确的端正我们的态度.

You know, I used to believe

我曾经相信,

that education is the most

教育是能够留下

important tool to leave

一段传奇的

a meaningful legacy.

最重要的工具.

Education is great.

教育是很棒,

It really teaches us who

它的确教会我们是谁,

we are, and helps us

而且帮助我们

contextualize ourselves

认识自己在这个世界的位置.

in the world, but it's really

不过真正教我

my creativity that's taught me

使我能成为教育教会

that I can be much more

的我更强的,

than what my education told me I am.

是我的创造力.

I'd like to make

我想说,

the argument that creativity is

创造力

the most important tool we have.

是我们拥有的最重要的工具,

It lets us create who we are,

它让我们创造了现在的我们,

and curate what is to come.

并培养着未来的我们.

I like to think -- Thank you.

我喜欢想象--谢谢.

I like to think of myself

我喜欢把我自己当成一个讲故事的人,

as a storyteller, where my past

我的过去和未来

and my future are only stories,

都成为故事,

my stories, waiting to be told

而这些故事等待着被讲述和再讲述.

and retold. I hope all of you

我希望你们所有人

one day get a chance to

有一天能有这个机会,

share and write your own

去分享并且写下你自己

200-year story.

的200年的故事

Thank you so much.

谢谢你.

Shukran! (Applause)

谢谢.(鼓掌)