Francis de los Reyes: Sanitation is a basic human right

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翻译人员: chunhua zhang 校对人员: Luo Wang
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I am an engineering professor,
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我是一个工程学教授,
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and for the past 14 years
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但是在过去的14年
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I've been teaching crap.
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我一直在教废话/大便
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(Laughter)
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(笑声)
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Not that I'm a bad teacher,
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不是因为我是一个坏老师,
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but I've been studying and teaching
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而是我一直在学习和教授
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about human waste
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关于人类排泄物方面的知识,
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and how waste is conveyed
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和这些排泄物是如何运达
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through these wastewater treatment plants,
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污水处理厂,
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and how we engineer and design
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以及我们是如何设计和建造
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these treatment plants so that we can protect
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这些处理厂从而使得我们能够保护
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surface water like rivers.
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像河水这样的地表水的。
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I've based my scientific career
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我的科学职业生涯是建立在这样的基础上的,
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on using leading-edge molecular techniques,
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那就是通过使用最前沿的生物分子学技术、
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DNA- and RNA-based methods
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用基于DNA和RNA的研究方法
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to look at microbial populations in biological reactors,
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去观察生物反应器中的微生物,
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and again to optimize these systems.
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然后再去完善这些系统。
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And over the years,
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这些年来,
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I have developed an unhealthy obsession with toilets,
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我已经形成了一种不健康的对厕所的痴迷,
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and I've been known to sneak into toilets
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我通常溜进世界各地的厕所
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and take my camera phone
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然后用我的拍照手机
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all over the world.
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拍下照片。
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But along the way, I've learned
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一路下来,我了解到
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that it's not just the technical side,
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这不仅是一个技术方面的问题,
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but there's also this thing called the culture of crap.
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更是一种被称为大便文化的东西。
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So for example,
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例如,
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how many of you are washers
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你们当中有多少人是冲洗者,
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and how many of you are wipers?
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有多少人是擦拭者?
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(Laughter)
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(笑声)
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If, well, I guess you know what I mean.
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如果,嗯,我想你们知道我的意思。
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If you're a washer, then you use water
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如果你是一个冲洗者,那么你会用水
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for anal cleansing. That's the technical term.
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清洗肛门。这是一个技术术语。
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And if you're a wiper,
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但是如果你是一个擦拭者,
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then you use toilet paper
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你会使用卫生纸,
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or, in some regions of the world
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或者,在一些用不上卫生纸的地区
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where it's not available, newspaper
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甚至使用报纸
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or rags or corncobs.
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或者破布、玉米棒子。
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And this is not just a piece of trivia,
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这不是一件小事,
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but it's really important to understand
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它对于理解
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and solve the sanitation problem.
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和解决卫生问题真的很重要。
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And it is a big problem:
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这是一个大问题:
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There are 2.5 billion people in the world
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全球大约有25亿人
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who don't have access to adequate sanitation.
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生活在卫生条件不达标的环境中。
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For them, there's no modern toilet.
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对这些人来说,没有现代的厕所可用。
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And there are 1.1 billion people
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大约有11亿人
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whose toilets are the streets
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他们的厕所就是大街、
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or river banks or open spaces,
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河岸或者露天的空地,
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and again, the technical term for that is
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对此也有一个技术术语
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open defecation,
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就是随地大小便,
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but that is really simply
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简而言之
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shitting in the open.
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就是在露天的地方排便。
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And if you're living in fecal material
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如果你生活在一个
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and it's surrounding you, you're going to get sick.
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被粪便包围的环境中,你会生病。
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It's going to get into your drinking water,
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它会进入到你的饮用水中,
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into your food, into your immediate surroundings.
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你的食物中,你身边的环境中。
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So the United Nations estimates
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因此,联合国估计
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that every year, there are 1.5 million child deaths
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每年有150万的儿童
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because of inadequate sanitation.
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因卫生设施不足而死。
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That's one preventable death every 20 seconds,
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那意味着每20秒就有一例可预防性死亡发生,
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171 every hour,
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每小时就是171例,
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4,100 every day.
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每天就是4100例。
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And so, to avoid open defecation,
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因此,为了避免随地大小便,
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municipalities and cities
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城市里
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build infrastructure, for example, like pit latrines,
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会修建基础设施,比如说,就像在城郊和农村地区
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in peri-urban and rural areas.
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修建坑式厕所一样。
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For example, in KwaZulu-Natal province in South Africa,
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例如,在南非的夸祖鲁-纳塔尔省,
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they've built tens of thousands of these pit latrines.
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他们修建了成千上万的这种坑式厕所。
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But there's a problem when you scale up
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但是当你把规模扩大到成千上万时,
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to tens of thousands, and the problem is,
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有一个问题就出现了,问题就是
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what happens when the pits are full?
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当这些坑都满了的时候会发生什么?
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This is what happens.
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这个就是到时候会发生的。
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People defecate around the toilet.
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人们会在厕所的周围排便。
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In schools, children defecate on the floors
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在学校,孩子们会把便排在地板上
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and then leave a trail outside the building
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然后蔓延到楼外,
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and start defecating around the building,
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然后开始在楼层的周围排便,
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and these pits have to be cleaned
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这些坑需要被打扫
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and manually emptied.
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并且用人工去清空。
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And who does the emptying?
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那么谁来清空这些坑?
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You've got these workers
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这些工人
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who have to sometimes go down into the pits
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他们有时必须下到坑里去
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and manually remove the contents.
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用手清除这些粪便。
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It's a dirty and dangerous business.
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这是一桩很脏并且很危险的生意。
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As you can see, there's no protective equipment,
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正如你所看到的,他们没有防护设备,
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no protective clothing.
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没有防护服。
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There's one worker down there.
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这里有一个正在下面的工作。
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I hope you can see him.
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我希望你能看到他。
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He's got a face mask on, but no shirt.
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他只有一个面罩,但是没有衣服。
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And in some countries, like India,
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在某些国家,像印度,
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the lower castes are condemned
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低等种姓会被叫去
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to empty the pits,
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清空这些坑,
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and they're further condemned by society.
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并且他们还会受到进一步的社会谴责。
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So you ask yourself, how can we solve this
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所以问问你自己,我们如何才能解决这个问题,
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and why don't we just build Western-style flush toilets
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为什么我们不为这25亿人
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for these two and a half billion?
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修建西式的抽水马桶?
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And the answer is, it's just not possible.
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答案就是,这是不可行的。
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In some of these areas, there's not enough water,
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在上述的某些地区,没有足够的水,
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there's no energy,
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也没有能源,
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it's going to cost tens of trillions of dollars
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为了修建这些抽水马桶将要花费数十万亿的美元
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to lay out the sewer lines
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去铺设排污管道
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and to build the facilities
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和建设这些设施
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and to operate and maintain these systems,
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以及运营和维护这些系统,
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and if you don't build it right,
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并且如果你不能正确的修建它的话,
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you're going to have flush toilets
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那么你的抽水马桶
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that basically go straight into the river,
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就可能基本上把污水直接排到河里,
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just like what's happening in many cities
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就像那些在很多发展中国家的城市里
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in the developing world.
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正在发生的情景一样。
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And is this really the solution?
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并且这是真正的解决方案吗?
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Because essentially, what you're doing is
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因为基本上来说,你所做的
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you're using clean water
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就是用干净的水
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and you're using it to flush your toilet,
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去冲厕所,
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convey it to a wastewater treatment plant
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再把它运到污水处理厂,
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which then discharges to a river,
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然后再排放到河里去,
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and that river, again, is a drinking water source.
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而这些河呢,又是饮用水源。
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So we've got to rethink sanitation,
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因此我们必须重新想一想卫生问题,
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and we've got to reinvent the sanitation infrastructure,
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我们必须改造卫生基础设施,
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and I'm going to argue that to do this,
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我正打算说服人们去做这些,
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you have to employ systems thinking.
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你必须采用系统的思考。
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We have to look at the whole sanitation chain.
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我们必须考虑整个卫生链。
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We start with a human interface,
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我们从人性化界面开始,
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and then we have to think about how feces
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然后我们必须思考粪便
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are collected and stored,
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如何被收集和储存、
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transported, treated and reused —
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运输、处理和再利用——
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and not just disposal but reuse.
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不仅要处理,还要再利用。
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So let's start with the human user interface.
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所以让我们从这个拟人化用户界面开始。
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I say, it doesn't matter if you're a washer or a wiper,
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我想说,不管你是一个冲洗者或擦拭者,
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a sitter or a squatter,
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坐着的或蹲着的都没关系,
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the human user interface should be clean
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这个拟人化用户界面应当干净
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and easy to use, because after all,
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和易于使用,因为毕竟
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taking a dump should be pleasurable.
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排便应当是一件愉快的事。
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(Laughter)
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(笑声)
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And when we open the possibilities
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当我们展现出
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to understanding this sanitation chain,
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理解这个卫生链的可能性时,
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then the back-end technology,
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那么后台技术、
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the collection to the reuse, should not really matter,
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从收集到再利用,都不是真正的问题,
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and then we can apply
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然后我们可以应用
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locally adoptable and context-sensitive solutions.
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适合当地并与当地环境相关的解决方案。
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So we can open ourselves to possibilities like,
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我们可以打开自己的潜能,
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for example, this urine-diverting toilet,
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例如,这个尿液转移厕所,
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and there's two holes in this toilet.
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这个厕所有两个洞,
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There's the front and the back,
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前面一个后面一个,
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and the front collects the urine,
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前面的收集尿液,
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and the back collects the fecal material.
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后面的收集粪便。
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And so what you're doing is you're separating the urine,
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因此你要做的就是将大小便分开,
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which has 80 percent of the nitrogen
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尿液中含80%的氮
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and 50 percent of the phosphorus,
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和50%的磷,
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and then that can then be treated
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然后将尿液进行处理
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and precipitated to form things like struvite,
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再沉淀以形成像磷酸氨镁
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which is a high-value fertilizer,
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这样的高价值的肥料,
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and then the fecal material can then be disinfected
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而大便呢首先要被消毒
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and again converted to high-value end products.
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然后再变成高附加值的终端产品。
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Or, for example, in some of our research,
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或者,举例来说,在我们的一些研究中,
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you can reuse the water by treating it
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你可以通过用花盆或者人工湿地
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in on-site sanitation systems
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这样的就地卫生系统去处理污水
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like planter boxes or constructed wetlands.
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以达到再利用的目的。
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So we can open up all these possibilities
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我们可以开创所有的可能性,
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if we take away the old paradigm of flush toilets
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如果我们能拋弃旧的抽水马桶
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and treatment plants.
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和污水处理厂模式的话。
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So you might be asking, who's going to pay?
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你可能会问,谁来为此买单?
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Well, I'm going to argue that governments
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嗯,我想要说的是政府
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should fund sanitation infrastructure.
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应当投资修建卫生设施。
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NGOs and donor organizations,
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非政府组织和捐赠机构,
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they can do their best, but it's not going to be enough.
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他们会尽他们所能,但是仍然不够。
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Governments should fund sanitation
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政府应当在卫生方面进行投资
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the same way they fund roads
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就像他们投资在公路、
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and schools and hospitals
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学校和医院
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and other infrastructure like bridges,
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以及其它的基础设施比如桥梁上一样,
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because we know, and the WHO has done this study,
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因为我们知道,并且世界卫生组织也做了这方面的研究,
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that for every dollar that we invest
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研究表明我们在卫生设施上
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in sanitation infrastructure,
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每投资1美元,
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we get something like three to 34 dollars back.
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就可以获得3到34美元的回报。
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Let's go back to the problem of pit emptying.
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让我们再回到清理坑式厕所的问题上去。
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So at North Carolina State University,
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在北卡罗莱纳州立大学,
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we challenged our students to come up with a simple solution,
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我们让学生们想出一个简单的解决方案,
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and this is what they came up with:
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而这就是他们想出来的方案:
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a simple, modified screw auger
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一个简单、改良过的麻花钻
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that can move the waste up
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可以将这些排泄物
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from the pit and into a collecting drum,
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从坑里运上来倒进一个收集桶,
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and now the pit worker
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现在这些清理粪坑的工人
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doesn't have to go down into the pit.
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不再需要下到坑里面。
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We tested it in South Africa, and it works.
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我们在南非测试了它,并且成功了。
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We need to make it more robust,
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我们需要使它更加坚固,
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and we're going to do more testing
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并且我们打算在未来的一年里
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in Malawi and South Africa this coming year.
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在马拉维和南非做更多的测试。
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And our idea is to make this
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我们的想法是把它变成
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a professionalized pit-emptying service
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一种专业化的粪坑清理服务,
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so that we can create a small business out of it,
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这样的话我们就可以利用它创造一个小型企业,
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create profits and jobs,
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创造利润和就业机会,
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and the hope is that,
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这件事的希望所在
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as we are rethinking sanitation,
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就是当我们重新思考卫生问题时,
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we are extending the life of these pits
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我们也在延长这些坑式厕所的使用寿命,
07:53
so that we don't have to resort
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这样一来我们就不必去寻求
07:55
to quick solutions
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那些并不是真正的有意义的
07:56
that don't really make sense.
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快速解决方案。
07:58
I believe that access to adequate sanitation
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我认为获得足够的卫生设施
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is a basic human right.
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是一项基本人权。
08:04
We need to stop the practice
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我们要停止那种
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of lower castes and lower-status people
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把低等种姓和社会地位低的人
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going down and being condemned to empty pits.
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叫去清理厕所的做法。
08:12
It is our moral, it is our social
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这是我们在道德上、社会上、
08:14
and our environmental obligation.
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和环境上的义务。
08:16
Thank you.
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谢谢。
08:18
(Applause)
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(掌声)
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