The freakonomics of McDonalds vs. drugs | Steven Levitt

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翻译人员: Qian Yue 校对人员: Xuefeng Liu
00:25
You'll be happy to know that I'll be talking not about my own tragedy,
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你们将会很庆幸我要讲的并非自己的遭遇,
00:29
but other people's tragedy.
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是其他人的遭遇。
00:31
It's a lot easier to be lighthearted about other people's tragedy
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相比亲身经历不幸,别人的遭遇听起来就轻松得多。
00:34
than your own,
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00:35
and I want to keep it in the spirit of the conference.
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我想把这条列为这次大会的基本精神。
如果你相信媒体的数据,
00:40
So, if you believe the media accounts,
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00:42
being a drug dealer in the height of the crack cocaine epidemic
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在可卡因泛滥成灾的时代,作为一个毒品贩子,
00:46
was a very glamorous life, in the words of Virginia Postrel.
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用Virginia Postrel的话来说,他们的生活十分绚烂。
00:50
There was money, there was drugs, guns, women,
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有金钱,有毒品,有枪,有女人,
00:54
you know, you name it -- jewelry, bling-bling -- it had it all.
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还有你所能想到的--珠宝,在那儿熠熠发光--所有这些。
00:59
What I'm going to tell you today is that, in fact, based on 10 years of research,
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但经过十年的研究,今天我要与你们分享
01:04
a unique opportunity to go inside a gang --
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一个独一无二的深入黑帮内部的机会--
01:07
to see the actual books, the financial records of the gang --
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去看看他们最真实的财政纪录--
01:10
that the answer turns out not to be
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你会发现他们的生活一点都不绚烂。
01:12
that being in the gang was a glamorous life.
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01:16
But I think, more realistically, that being in a gang --
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更实际地说,作为黑帮的一员--
01:18
selling drugs for a gang -- is perhaps the worst job in all of America.
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为组织贩卖毒品--可能是全美国最悲惨的工作。
01:22
And that's what I'd like to convince you of today.
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今天我要说服你们。
01:25
So there are three things I want to do.
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我有三件事要做。
01:27
First, I want to explain how and why crack cocaine
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首先,我会解释为什么快克(片状可卡因)
01:31
had such a profound influence on inner-city gangs.
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对城市黑帮的影响如此深远。
01:36
Secondly, I want to tell you
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其次,我想告诉你们
01:38
how somebody like me came to be able to see
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我是如何了解到黑帮的内幕的。
01:43
the inner workings of a gang -- an interesting story, I think.
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01:46
And then third, I want to tell you, in a very superficial way,
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这个故事很有趣,至少我是这么认为的。
最后,我想要用一种很通俗易懂的方式,
01:49
about some of the things we found
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告诉你们我们所找到的和看到的--
01:51
when we actually got to look at the financial records,
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黑手党的账本。
01:54
the books, of the gang.
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01:55
So before I do that, just one warning,
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开始前有个小警告,
01:59
which is that this presentation has been rated 'R'
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这个演讲已被美国电影协会列为限制级,
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by the Motion Picture Association of America.
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02:05
It contains adult themes, adult language.
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其中涉及成人话题及用语。
02:08
Given who is up on the stage, you'll be delighted to know
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鉴于演讲者是我,你会知道实际上
02:11
that, in fact, there'll be no nudity --
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这个演讲不会有什么赤裸裸的东西,
除非--
02:14
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
02:16
Unexpected wardrobe malfunctions aside.
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--意料之外的事件。
02:19
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
02:23
So let me start by talking about crack cocaine,
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现在我开始讲讲快克是如何改造了黑帮的。
02:27
and how it transformed the gang.
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02:29
To do that, you have to actually go back to a time before crack cocaine,
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你首先得回到没有快克的时代,
02:32
in the early '80s, and look at it from the perspective of a gang leader.
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作为一个黑帮头头。
02:36
Being a gang leader in the inner city wasn't such a bad deal in the mid-'80s --
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在80中期,混迹于城市的日子还算不错
02:42
the early '80s, let me say.
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02:43
Now, you had a lot of power, and you got to beat people up --
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或80早期
你有很大的权利,你随便打人--
02:46
you got a lot of prestige, a lot of respect.
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你享受着不一般的特权和众人的敬畏。
02:49
But the thing is, there was no money in it.
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但是,你没有钱。
02:51
The gang had no way to make money.
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黑帮们没有赚钱渠道。
02:53
You couldn't charge dues to the people in the gang,
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他们也不能像成员要会费,
02:56
because the people in the gang didn't have any money.
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因为这些帮内成员也穷的叮当响。
02:58
You couldn't really make any money selling marijuana --
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卖大麻也赚不了几个钱。
03:01
marijuana's too cheap, it turns out.
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大麻实在是太便宜了。
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You can't get rich selling marijuana.
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卖大麻不能赚大钱。
03:05
You couldn't sell cocaine;
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你也不能卖可卡因。
03:07
cocaine's a great product -- powdered cocaine --
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可卡因是个伟大的东西--可卡因粉末--
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but you've got to know rich white people.
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但前提是你得认识那些有钞票的白人。
03:11
And most of the inner-city gang members didn't know any rich white people,
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而大部分黑帮成员根本不会认识有钞票的白人。
03:15
so couldn't sell to that market.
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他们没有市场。
03:16
You couldn't really do petty crime, either.
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你也不能整天实施那些无关痛痒的小犯罪。
03:18
Turns out, petty crime's a terrible way to make a living.
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实际上靠实施小犯罪谋生是非常糟糕的。
所以结果就是,
03:21
As a result, as a gang leader, you had, you know, power --
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作为一个黑帮,你确实有权利。
03:24
it's a pretty good life -- but the thing was, in the end,
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生活确实不错。
但问题是,你不得不和你妈住在一块。
03:27
you were living at home with your mother.
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03:29
And so it wasn't really a career.
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所以这根本算不上“事业“。
03:31
There were limits to how powerful and important you could be
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这完全算不上。
你不可能拥有无限的权利的地位,
03:34
if you had to live at home with your mother.
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如果你不得不整天跟你妈呆在一起。
03:36
Then along comes crack cocaine.
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然后,快克出现了。
03:39
And in the words of Malcolm Gladwell,
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用Malcolm Gladwell的话说,这东西
03:42
crack cocaine was the extra-chunky version of tomato sauce
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就是城市的一盘大菜。
03:46
for the inner city.
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03:47
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
03:49
Because crack cocaine was an unbelievable innovation.
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因为片状可卡因是一个令人难以置信的创造。
03:51
I don't have time to talk about it today, but if you think about it,
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我今天没空说这个了。
如果你去想一想,我会说在过去二十五年,
03:54
I would say that in the last 25 years,
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of every invention or innovation that's occurred in this country,
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这个国家的所有发明创新中,
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the biggest one in terms of impact
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对城市人们生活状态影响最大的,
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on the well-being of people who live in the inner city,
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04:05
was crack cocaine.
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就是快克。
04:06
And for the worse -- not for the better, but for the worse.
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更糟的是--注意不是更好,是更糟,
04:09
It had a huge impact on life.
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04:10
So what was it about crack cocaine?
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它对生活的影响巨大。
那么快克到底是什么?
04:12
It was a brilliant way of getting the brain high.
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它可以轻易让大脑兴奋。
04:17
Because you could smoke crack cocaine -- you can't smoke powdered cocaine --
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因为你可以像吸烟一样吸入快克--粉末状可卡因是不能用嘴吸的--
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and smoking is a much more efficient mechanism of delivering a high
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相比于用鼻子吸入来说,
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than snorting it.
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用嘴吸入可以更快地带来高潮。
04:27
And it turned out there was this audience that didn't know it wanted crack cocaine,
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事实上,曾有一个观众开始并不会知道自己想要用嘴吸入可卡因,
04:32
but when it came, it really did.
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但当高潮来时他就知道了。
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And it was a perfect drug;
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you could buy the cocaine that went into it for a dollar,
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这是一种堪称完美的毒品。你可以
用一块钱的可卡因原料制作它,然后以5块钱出手
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sell it for five dollars.
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Highly addictive -- the high was very short.
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这东西非常容易上瘾--而且快感非常短暂。
04:43
So for fifteen minutes, you get this great high,
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只能持续十五分钟。
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and then when you come down,
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all you want to do is get high again.
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然后当你回复平静,你只想要再爽一次。
04:50
It created a wonderful market.
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它创造了完美的市场。
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And for the people who were there running the gang,
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对那些营运着黑帮的人来说,
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it was a great way, seemingly, to make a lot of money.
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这看起来是一个赚钱良机。
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At least for the people on the top.
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至少对于顶层的人来讲。
05:01
So this is where we enter the picture.
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所以我们从这里开始深入。
05:03
Not really me -- I'm really a bit player in all this.
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当然不是我--我只是个跑龙套的。
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My co-author, Sudhir Venkatesh, is the main character.
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和我一起写书的Sudhir Venhatesh,才是真正的主角。
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He was a math major in college who had a good heart,
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他大学主修数学,非常善良,
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and decided he wanted to get a sociology PhD,
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他决定要获得社会学的博士学位。
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came to the University of Chicago.
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然后他来了芝加哥大学。
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Now, the three months before he came to Chicago,
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在来芝加哥之前的三个月里,
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he had spent following the Grateful Dead.
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And in his own words, he "looked like a freak."
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他一直在追Grateful Dead(一支美国电子摇滚乐队)。
用他自己的话说,他“看起来就像个怪物。“
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He's a South Asian -- very dark-skinned South Asian.
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他是南亚人--肤色很深。
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Big man, and he had hair, in his words, "down to his ass."
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块头很大,体毛旺盛--用他的话说--“蔓延到屁股。“
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Defied all kinds of boundaries:
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他挑战着所有边界:黑种人还是白种人?男人还是女人?
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Was he black or white? Was he man or woman?
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He was really a curious sight to be seen.
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他确实是一个奇特的事物。
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So he showed up at the University of Chicago,
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所以他出现在芝加哥大学。
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and the famous sociologist William Julius Wilson
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著名的社会学家,William Julius Wilson,
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was doing a book that involved surveying people all across Chicago.
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正在做一个针对所有芝加哥人的调查。
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He took one look at Sudhir, who was going to go do some surveys for him,
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他看了Sudhir一眼,当时Sudhir正想替他做些调查,
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and decided he knew exactly the place to send him,
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然后他就完全明白了他应该送Sudhir去哪里--
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which was to one of the toughest, most notorious housing projects
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最贫困、最臭名昭著的住宅区。
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not just in Chicago, but in the entire United States.
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而且不仅限于在芝加哥,而是整个美国。
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So Sudhir, the suburban boy who had never really been in the inner city,
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所以Sudhir--这个来自郊区的、从没有深入城市过的年轻男孩--
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dutifully took his clipboard and walked down to this housing project,
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非常负责地带上他的题板,开始了他的调查。
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gets to the first building.
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到了第一幢楼。
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The first building? Well, there's nobody there.
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第一幢楼?好像没有人。
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But he hears some voices up in the stairwell,
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但他听到楼上有响动,所以他走上楼梯。
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so he climbs up the stairwell, comes around the corner,
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他转过楼梯角--
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and finds a group of young African-American men playing dice.
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发现一群非裔小年轻在玩骰子。
06:30
This is about 1990, peak of the crack epidemic.
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那大概是1990年--快克流行的巅峰时期。
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This is a very dangerous job, being in a gang.
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深入一个黑帮显然是非常危险的工作。
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You don't like to be surprised.
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06:37
You don't like to be surprised by people who come around the corner.
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黑帮显然很不待见突然从转角出现的外人。
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And the mantra was: shoot first; ask questions later.
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箴言是:先开枪,再问话。
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Now, Sudhir was lucky -- he was such a freak,
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Sudhir够走运。
他这么一个怪胎--
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and that clipboard probably saved his life,
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也可能是他的题板救了他一命,因为那些人大概觉得
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because they figured no other rival gang member
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其他黑帮的人不会带着题板来射杀他们。
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would be coming up to shoot at them with a clipboard.
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(笑声)
06:53
(Laughter)
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06:54
So his greeting was not particularly warm, but they did say,
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所以他得到的不冷不热的问候是这样的:
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well, OK -- let's hear your questions on your survey.
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那么好吧--说说你的问题。
07:01
So -- I kid you not --
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the first question on the survey that he was sent to ask was:
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好吧我没有跟你们开玩笑,问卷的第一个问题是:
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"How do you feel about being poor and Black in America?"
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“作为一个生活在美国的贫困的黑人,你感受如何?“
(笑声)
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(Laughter)
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07:12
Makes you wonder about academics.
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07:13
(Laughter)
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你们现在对学术研究肯定很好奇吧?
(笑声)
07:15
So the choice of answers were:
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列出的选项有:非常好,好,糟糕,非常糟糕。
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[A) Very Good B) Good C) Bad D) Very Bad]
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07:21
(Laughter)
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07:23
What Sudhir found out is, in fact, that the real answer was the following:
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Sudhir后来发现,真正的答案是:
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[A) Very Good B) Good C) Bad D) Very Bad E) Fuck you]
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去你妈的
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(Laughter)
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07:31
The survey was not, in the end, going to be what got Sudhir off the hook.
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最终使他摆脱困境的,并非这个调查。
07:35
He was held hostage overnight in the stairwell.
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他被绑在楼梯间里一个晚上。
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There was a lot of gunfire,
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there were a lot of philosophical discussions he had with the gang members.
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发生了很多枪击--
他和那群黑帮也进行了很多对话。
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By morning, the gang leader arrived,
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早上的时候,头头来了。
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checked out Sudhir, decided he was no threat,
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他们对Sudhir搜身--
确定他不具有任何威胁,于是他们就让他走了。
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and they let him go home.
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07:48
So Sudhir went home, took a shower, took a nap.
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Sudhir回到家,洗澡,睡觉。
07:51
And you and I, probably, faced with the situation, would think,
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如果是你或者我,遇到这种情况,可能会想,
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"I guess I'm going to write my dissertation on The Grateful Dead,
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我该写写那篇关于The Greatful Dead的论文。
07:59
I've been following them for the last three months."
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我已经研究他们三个多月了。
(笑声)
08:02
(Laughter)
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但是Sudhir,他回去了---他走回了那幢房子。
08:03
Sudhir, on the other hand,
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got right back, walked down to the housing project,
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08:06
went up to the second floor,
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上楼,第二层,说:“嗨哥们儿,
08:08
and said: "Hey, guys, I had so much fun hanging out with you last night,
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昨天晚上我跟你们玩的真开心,
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I wonder if I could do it again tonight."
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我想知道今晚能不能再玩一次。“
08:14
And that was the beginning of what turned out to be a beautiful relationship
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那段美丽关系就这样开始了。
08:17
that involved Sudhir living in the housing project on and off for 10 years,
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Sudhir在那幢房子里断断续续住了十年:
08:21
hanging out in crack houses, going to jail with the gang members,
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他在那毒窟里与那些黑帮成员一起混,还一起进监狱,
08:26
having the windows shot out of his car,
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遇到过汽车窗玻璃被砸,
08:28
having the police break into his apartment and steal his computer disks --
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也遇到过警察破门而入偷走他的光盘--
08:32
you name it.
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可想而知。
08:33
But ultimately, the story has a happy ending for Sudhir,
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不过最终这个故事还是有了个不错的结局。
08:36
who became one of the most respected sociologists in the country.
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Sudhir成为了这个国家最受尊重的社会学家。
08:39
And especially for me,
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对我而言,当我坐在办公室里打开Excel工作表,
08:41
as I sat in my office with my Excel spreadsheet open,
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08:44
waiting for Sudhir to come and deliver to me the latest load of data
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等着Sudhir来给我传最新数据--
08:47
that he would get from the gang.
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--他从黑帮那里搞来的数据。
08:49
(Laughter)
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08:53
It was one of the most unequal co-authoring relationships ever --
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这真是历史上最不公平的合作关系之一--
08:57
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
08:58
But I was glad to be the beneficiary of it.
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--不过作为受益者我还是很高兴的。
09:01
So what did we find?
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我们发现了什么?关于黑帮?我只说一件事。
09:03
What did we find in the gang?
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09:05
Well, let me say one thing:
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09:07
We really got access to everybody in the gang.
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我们确实有这个团伙里每一个人的资料。
09:11
We got an inside look at the gang, from the very bottom up to the very top.
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我们进行了深入的研究,从底层一直到顶层。
09:15
They trusted Sudhir, in ways that really no academic has ever --
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他们信任Sudhir--从来没有一个搞学术研究的--
09:20
or really anybody, any outsider -- has ever earned the trust of these gangs,
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或者说从来没有任何人,任何外人--能赢得这群黑帮如此的信任,
09:25
to the point where they actually opened up
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以至于他们展示了我最好奇的东西:
09:27
what was most interesting for me -- their books,
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09:29
the financial records they kept.
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他们的帐本。
09:31
They made them available to us, and we not only could study them,
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他们给我们看了这些账本。
我们不仅可以研究这些账本,甚至能问他们问题。
09:34
but we could ask them questions about what was in them.
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如果说要简短地概括一下我的所得,
09:37
So if I have to kind of summarize very quickly in the short time I have
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09:40
what the bottom line of what I take away from the gang is,
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我对黑帮的最基本理解是,
09:44
it's that, if I had to draw a parallel between the gang
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如果要把黑帮和其他组织做一比较的话,
09:47
and any other organization,
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09:49
it would be that the gang is just like McDonald's,
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在很多方面,
09:52
in a lot of different respects -- the restaurant McDonald's.
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黑帮就像麦当劳。
09:55
So first, in one way,
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第一个方面,也是最有趣的一个,
09:57
which isn't maybe the most interesting way, but it's a good way to start --
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是它被组织起来的方式。
10:00
is in the way it's organized, the hierarchy of the gang,
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整个帮派的阶层结构。
10:03
the way it looks.
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10:04
So here's what the org chart of the gang looks like.
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这个是它的结构图。
10:07
I don't know if you know much about org charts,
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不知掉你们中有没有人很熟悉机构图。
10:09
but if you were to assign a stripped-down and simplified McDonald's org chart,
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但是如果让你画一个简化的麦当劳组织图,
就是这样的。
10:13
this is exactly what it would look like.
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10:15
It's amazing, but the top level of the gang,
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令人称奇的是,在这个黑帮的最高级,
10:17
they actually call themselves the "Board of Directors."
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事实上他们自称为“董事会”。
10:19
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
10:21
And Sudhir says
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Sudhir说这些人其实对美国商业公司的运作
10:23
it's not like these guys had a very sophisticated view
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10:26
of what happened in American corporate life,
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并无深入细致的了解。
10:29
but they had seen movies like "Wall Street,"
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但是他们都看过“华尔街”此类的电影,于是他们也多少
10:32
and they had learned a little bit about what it was like
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了解了真实世界里公司的运作方式。
10:35
to be in the real world.
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10:37
Now, below that board of directors,
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在董事会之下,你看到的是地区副总裁--
10:39
you've got essentially what are regional VPs --
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10:41
people who control, say, the South Side of Chicago, or the West Side of Chicago.
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负责芝加哥南部,或者西部的人。
10:45
Sudhir got to know very well the guy who had the unfortunate assignment
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Sudhir和其中一个挺不幸的家伙混的不错,
10:49
of trying to take the Iowa franchise,
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这个家伙本打算拿到艾和华区域的专营权。
10:51
which, it turned out, for this black gang,
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(笑声)
后来他发现,在这个黑帮里,这个决定实在不算明智,
10:53
was not one of the more brilliant financial endeavors they undertook.
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他们在财政上牺牲了不少。
10:57
(Laughter)
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10:58
But the thing that really makes the gang seem like McDonald's is its franchisees.
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(笑声)
他们和麦当劳最大的相似之处就在于专营权。
11:03
The guys who are running the local gangs --
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那些负责各个小区域的分支--
11:07
the four-square-block by four-square-block areas --
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控制着方圆四个区--
11:10
they're just like the guys, in some sense, who are running the McDonald's.
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可以说他们就像经营着麦当劳餐厅的人。
11:14
They are the entrepreneurs.
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他们就是企业家。
11:15
They get the exclusive property rights to control the drug-selling.
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他们独享着售卖毒品的权利。
11:19
They get the name of the gang behind them, for merchandising and marketing.
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他们用各自所属帮派的名号进行毒品交易和营销。
11:26
And they're the ones who basically make the profit or lose a profit,
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他们经营的水平高低,
11:29
depending on how good they are at running the business.
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决定他们是利润的获得者或是亏损的承担者。
11:32
Now, the group I really want you to think about, though,
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现在,我认为你们最应该关注的是底部群体,
11:35
are the ones at the bottom -- the foot soldiers.
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这些赤脚小兵。
11:37
These are the teenagers, typically,
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他们大多是青少年,
11:39
who'd be standing out on the street corner, selling the drugs.
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他们站在街角卖毒品。
11:42
Extremely dangerous work.
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这个工作极度危险。
11:45
And important to note is that almost all of the weight, all of the people
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特别注意这群人构成了黑帮的主体,
11:50
in this organization are at the bottom -- just like McDonald's.
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整个帮派的重量几乎全集中于底部。
这就像麦当劳。
11:53
So in some sense, the foot soldiers are a lot like the people
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这些赤脚小兵,
11:56
who are taking your order at McDonald's,
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正如在麦当劳为你点餐的服务员。
11:58
and it's not just by chance that they're like them.
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这并非巧合。
12:00
In fact, in these neighborhoods, they'd be the same people.
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实际上在邻近区里,这是同一群人。
12:03
So the same kids who are working in the gang were actually,
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这些在黑帮里的孩子们,
12:06
at the very same time, typically working part-time
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同时也在麦当劳里
12:09
at a place like McDonald's.
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打零工。
12:11
Which already foreshadows the main result that I've talked about,
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这一事实已预兆了某种结果,我正要讲到的,
12:14
about what a crappy job it was, being in the gang.
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关于在黑帮工作是多么糟糕的一份工作。
12:17
Because obviously, if being in the gang were such a wonderful, lucrative job,
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很显然,如果这是个完美的、能赚钱的工作,
12:21
why in the world would these guys moonlight at McDonald's?
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为什么这些孩子还需要在麦当劳辛苦工作?
12:24
So what do the wages look like? You might be surprised.
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这个工作的工资到底有多少?你也许会惊讶。
12:27
But based on being able to talk to them and to see their records,
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事实上--
根据我与他们的谈话,和我所看到的财政纪录,
12:31
this is what it looks like in terms of the wages.
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他们的薪水就是这点。
12:33
The hourly wage the foot soldiers were earning was $3.50 an hour.
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这群赤脚小兵每小时赚3.5美金。
12:37
It was below the minimum wage. And this is well-documented.
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低于最低工资标准。这个结论有证可循。
12:41
It's easy to see by the patterns of consumption they have.
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看他们的消费模式,很容易看出
12:44
It really is not fiction -- it's fact.
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这个结论并非杜撰,这是事实。
12:47
There was very little money in the gang, especially at the bottom.
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黑手党没有钱,尤其是底部群体,
12:51
Now if you managed to rise up, say, and be that local leader,
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如果你发达了,比如成为了某个区域的头,
12:54
the guy who's the equivalent of the McDonald's franchisee,
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类似麦当劳的专营者--
12:57
you'd be making 100,000 dollars a year.
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你可以一年进帐10万美金。
12:59
And that, in some ways, was the best job you could hope to get
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这是你所能期待的上限了。
13:02
if you were growing up in one of these neighborhoods as a young black male.
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作为一个在这些区域长大的年轻黑人,
13:06
If you managed to rise to the very top,
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如果你能够做到顶层,
13:08
200,000 or 400,000 dollars a year is what you'd hope to make.
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你可以一年进帐20万~40万。
13:10
Truly, you would be a great success story.
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那倒确实算的上成功。
13:13
And one of the sad parts of this is that, indeed,
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但随之也衍生出一些副作用,
13:16
among the many other ramifications of crack cocaine
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13:19
is that the most talented individuals in these communities --
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帮派中最聪明的那群人,
13:23
this is what they were striving for.
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都在为这个目标奋斗。
13:25
They weren't trying to make it in legitimate ways,
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他们不会采取什么合法手段,
13:27
because there were no legitimate channels out.
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因为那里根本不存在什么合法渠道。
13:30
This was the best way out.
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这是混的最好的一条道路。
13:31
And it actually was the right choice, probably,
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实际上这也是一条正确的路。
13:34
to try to make it out this way.
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看这个。
13:38
You look at this,
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13:39
the relationship to McDonald's breaks down here.
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与麦当劳的相似之处到此为止了。
13:42
The money looks about the same.
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金钱上差不多。
13:44
Why is it such a bad job?
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为什么说这个工作很糟糕?
13:45
Well, the reason it's such a bad job is that there's somebody shooting at you
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原因就在于,总有人,
13:49
a lot of the time.
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正在瞄准你准备扣动扳机。
13:51
So, with shooting at you, what are the death rates?
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那么死亡率是多少?
13:54
We found, in our gang --
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在我们的这个帮派中--当然我承认这种说法
13:55
and admittedly, this was not really a standard situation;
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并不确切。
13:58
this was a time of intense violence, of a lot of gang wars,
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这是一段暴力频繁发生的时期,非常多的枪击--
14:02
as this gang actually became quite successful.
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这个帮派发展的非常成功,但他们也付出了代价。
14:05
But there were costs.
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14:06
And so the death rate --
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死亡率--更不用提被逮捕,
14:08
not to mention the rate of being arrested, sent to prison, being wounded --
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入狱,或者受伤的概率--我们样本中的死亡率,
14:13
the death rate in our sample was seven percent per person per year.
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是每人每年7%。
14:18
You're in the gang for four years,
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你在这个黑手党里混四年,可以估计你有25%的可能死于非命。
14:20
you expect to die with about a 25 percent likelihood.
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14:24
That is about as high as you can get.
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这个概率就是这么高。
14:26
So for comparison's purposes,
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为了方便比较,我们来看看其他的谋生选择,
14:28
let's think about some other walk of life you may expect might be extremely risky.
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也许是极度危险的某种方式。
14:33
Let's say that you were a murderer
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比如你是个谋杀犯,
14:35
and you were convicted of murder, and you're sent to death row.
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你被判谋杀罪,成为死囚。
14:38
It turns out, the death rates on death row from all causes, including execution:
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而事实上,死囚的死亡率,
包括了执行死刑等各种情况,仅仅是每年2%。
14:42
two percent a year.
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14:44
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
14:45
So it's a lot safer being on death row
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所以死囚也比在街上卖毒品要安全得多。
14:48
than it is selling drugs out on the street.
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14:51
That gives you some pause, for those of you who believe
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那些相信死刑对犯罪防范有巨大作用的人,
14:54
that a death penalty's going to have an enormous deterrent effect on crime.
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听到这里应该重新思考了。
现在让你们大略了解一下,充斥着毒品交易的城市中心地带有多糟糕--
15:00
To give you a sense of just how bad the inner city was during crack --
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15:03
and I'm not really focusing on the negatives,
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我并不是在强调负面的东西,
15:06
but really, there's another story to tell you there --
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但我要给你们看看这个--
15:09
if you look at the death rates just of random, young black males
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如果你看看这个死亡率--
那些在美国城市中心成长的年轻黑人男性,
15:13
growing up in the inner city in the United States,
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15:15
the death rates during crack were about one percent.
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在毒品交易中,死亡率大概是1%
15:18
That's extremely high.
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15:19
And this is violent death -- it's unbelievable, in some sense.
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这相当高。
而且这全是暴力导致的死亡--令人难以置信。
15:22
To put it into perspective: if you compare this to the soldiers in Iraq,
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为让大家有更直观的认识,如果把这个与伊拉克的驻兵相比,
15:27
for instance, right now fighting the war: 0.5 percent.
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比如现在战争中的死亡率是0.5%,
15:31
So in some very literal way,
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所以那些在城市中心长大的年轻黑人男性,
15:34
the young black men who were growing up in this country
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感觉上就像生活在战区
15:37
were living in a war zone,
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15:39
very much in the sense that the soldiers over in Iraq are fighting in a war.
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与在伊拉克打仗的士兵差不多了。
15:45
So why in the world, you might ask,
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你可能要问,为什么会有人愿意
15:48
would anybody be willing to stand out on a street corner
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15:52
selling drugs for $3.50 an hour,
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站在街角,为了一小时赚3块5而贩卖毒品,
15:55
with a 25 percent chance of dying over the next four years?
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同时冒着在未来四年内25%的死亡概率?
15:58
Why would they do that?
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为什么他们要这样做?我认为有几个原因。
15:59
And I think there are a couple answers.
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16:02
I think the first one is that they got fooled by history.
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第一个原因,他们被历史愚弄了。
16:08
It used to be the gang was a rite of passage;
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确实黑帮曾经风光一时。
16:10
that the young people controlled the gang;
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年轻人掌控黑帮,
16:12
that as you got older, you dropped out of the gang.
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老人离开黑帮。
16:16
So what happened was,
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16:17
the people who happened to be in the right place at the right time --
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实际上,
那些遇到了好时机的人,
16:20
the people who happened to be leading the gang in the mid-to-late-'80s --
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恰好在80年代末领导了黑帮,
16:26
became very, very wealthy.
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积累了大量的财富。
16:28
And so the logical thing to think
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所以逻辑上大家都认为: 下一代的新带头人 ,
16:30
was that they are going to age out of the gang
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16:33
like everybody else has,
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在老一辈离开帮派时
16:34
and the next generation is going to take over and get the wealth.
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会继承权利和财富。
16:38
There are striking similarities, I think, to the Internet boom.
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这与互联网热潮真是令人咂舌的相似,对吧?
16:41
The first set of people in Silicon Valley got very, very rich.
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硅谷的第一群开发者,捞到了巨大的财富。
16:44
And then all of my friends said, "Maybe I should go do that, too."
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然后我所有的朋友都说:“也许我也该去硅谷试试。”
16:48
And they were willing to work very cheap for stock options that never came.
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他们愿意为了拿非常低的工资,只为了永远不会实现的股票持有权。
16:53
In some sense, that's what happened, exactly,
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可以说,同样的事情
16:55
to the set of people we were looking at.
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16:58
They were willing to start at the bottom,
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也发生在我们关注的群体身上,他们也愿意从最底层做起。
17:01
just like, say, a first-year lawyer at a law firm
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就好比,一个律师事务所的小律师,
17:04
is willing to start at the bottom,
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一个工作第一年的律师愿意从最底层做起,
17:06
work 80-hour weeks for not that much money,
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为了不算太多的钱每周工作84个小时,
17:08
because they think they're going to make partner.
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因为他们认为他们会成为合伙人。
17:10
But the rules changed, and they never got to make partner.
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但事实是,规则改变了,他们永远成不了合伙人。
17:13
Indeed, the same people who were running all of the major gangs in the late 1980s
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确实,在80年代末掌管各大黑帮的人,
17:17
are still running the major gangs in Chicago today.
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今天仍然在运营着各大黑帮。
17:19
They never passed on any of the wealth,
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他们从未给出过一个子儿。
17:21
So everybody got stuck at that $3.50-an-hour job,
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所以每个人都被绑定在每小时3.5美金的工作上,这是一场灾难。
17:24
and it turned out to be a disaster.
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17:27
The other thing the gang was very good at was marketing and trickery.
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除此之外,黑帮也很擅长营销和权谋。
17:31
And so for instance, one thing the gang would do is --
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比如,他们会做这样一件事:
17:35
the gang leaders would have big entourages,
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黑帮头头们常有一大群随行者,
17:37
and they'd drive fancy cars and have fancy jewelry.
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他们会开着超炫的车,戴着超炫的珠宝。
17:40
So what Sudhir eventually realized as he hung out with them more,
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当Sudhir与他们多次同行后,他发现,
17:43
is that, really, they didn't own those cars -- they just leased them,
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事实上他们根本没有车。
他们只是租车,因为其实他们没钱买炫车。
17:47
because they couldn't afford to own the fancy cars.
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17:49
And they didn't really have gold jewelry, they had gold-plated jewelry.
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他们也没有真金珠宝,他们的首饰只是镀着金。
17:53
It goes back to, you know, the real-real versus the fake-real.
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这个又要回溯到,真的真实和假的真实。
17:56
And really, they did all sorts of things to trick the young people
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他们想尽各种办法哄骗年轻人
18:00
into thinking what a great deal the gang was going to be.
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让他们相信加入黑帮是多么好的一笔交易。
18:03
So for instance, they would give a 14-year-old kid
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例如,他们会告诉一个14岁的孩子,
18:06
a whole roll of bills to hold.
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他们会给他一整把美金。
18:09
That 14-year-old kid would say to his friends,
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于是那个14岁的孩子说:“噢,好吧……”
18:12
"Hey, look at all the money I got in the gang."
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然后他会告诉他的朋友们,
“看看我在黑帮里赚到的钱。”
18:14
It wasn't his money -- until he spent it,
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这不是他的钱,直到他花光了那笔钱。然后就是,
18:16
and then he was in debt to the gang,
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18:18
and was sort of an indentured servant for a while.
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他欠了黑帮的债,同时好像成了契约仆人。
18:20
So I have a couple minutes.
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我还有几分钟。
18:22
Let me do one last thing I hadn't thought I'd have time to do,
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让我做最后一件事。
我本来没想到我还会剩时间,来讲讲
18:26
which is to talk about what we learned more generally about economics,
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研究黑帮的经济学到底让我们学到了什么。
18:31
from the study of the gang.
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18:33
So, economists tend to talk in technical words.
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经济学家喜欢用术语。
18:37
Often, our theories fail quite miserably when we over the data,
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通常我们的理论有数据支持就不会死得太惨。
18:40
but what's kind of interesting is that in this setting,
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但事实上,有意思的是
18:43
it turned out that some of the economic theories
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一些与实际经济活动中不那么吻合的
18:46
that worked not so well in the real economy
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18:48
worked very well in the drug economy,
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经济学理论,在毒品经济学中却吻合得很好,
18:50
in some sense, because it's unfettered capitalism.
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部分原因是由于不受约束的资本主义。
18:52
Here's an economic principle.
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这是一条经济学定理。
18:54
This is one of the basic ideas in labor economics,
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这是一条劳动经济学里的定理,称为“补偿性工资定理”。
18:56
called a "compensating differential."
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18:58
It's the idea that the increment to wages that a worker requires
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这条定理大意是说,工人所要求增长的工资
19:01
to leave him indifferent between performing two tasks,
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需让他在两件事间没有区别--
19:04
one which is more unpleasant than the other.
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若其中一件比另一件更让人不爽,
19:06
Compensating differential -- it's why we think garbagemen might be paid more
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这之间的差别就称为补偿差。
这就是为什么我们认为很可能拾荒者的收入要高于公园的工作人员。
19:10
than people who work in parks.
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19:11
The words of one of the members of the gang, I think, make this clear.
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黑帮内一个成员所说的可以更好地阐明这一点。
19:17
So it turns out -- I'm sort of getting ahead of myself --
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我好像讲得太超前了。
19:20
it turns out, in the gang, when there's a war going on,
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我是说,在黑帮混战时,
19:23
they actually pay the foot soldiers twice as much money.
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他们支付那些小兵两倍的报酬。
19:26
It's exactly this concept.
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就是这样的概念。
19:28
Because they're not willing to be at risk.
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因为他们都不愿意冒险。
19:30
And the words of a gang member capture it quite nicely, he says:
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某个成员的话漂亮地概括了这层含义。
19:33
"Would you stand around here when all this shit ..." -- the shooting --
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他说,“当这一切狗屎”--他指的是所有枪击--
19:37
"... if all this shit's going on? No, right?
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“都在发生的时候,你会只是站在那里吗?不会,对吗?”
19:39
So if I gonna be asked to put my life on the line, then front me the cash, man."
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所以如果我被要求把性命交出去时,你必须给我钱。”
所以我认为,那个黑帮分子对于这一切的描述,
19:43
I think the gang member says it much more articulately
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比经济学家更确切。
19:45
than the economist, about what's going on.
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(笑声)
19:47
(Laughter)
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19:49
Here's another one.
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再说一件事。
19:51
Economists talk about game theory,
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经济学家讨论博弈论,
19:52
that every two-person game has a Nash equilibrium.
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说每个双人游戏都存在一个纳什均衡。
19:55
Here's the translation you get from the gang member.
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这是黑帮分子对这个理论的转述。
19:57
They're talking about the decision of why they don't go shoot --
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他们在谈论他们为什么不扣动扳机。
20:00
One thing that turns out to be a great business tactic in the gang:
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黑帮中一个重要的商业战术是,
20:04
if you go and just shoot guns in the air in the other gang's territory --
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如果你在另外一个党派的领地发个空枪,
20:08
people are afraid to go buy drugs there,
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所有人都会不敢再去那里买毒品。
20:10
they're going to come into your neighborhood.
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他们会转去你的领区。
20:12
Here's what he says about why they don't do that:
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但他接着给出他们不会这样做的理由。
20:15
"If we start shooting around there, the other gang's territory,
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他说,“如果我们在别帮的领地开枪了,
20:18
nobody, I mean, you dig it, nobody gonna step on their turf.
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你仔细想想,没有人会再踏上那片土地一步。
20:21
But we gotta be careful,
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但我们必须小心翼翼,
20:22
'cause they can shoot around here too and then we all fucked."
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因为他们也会在我们的领地上开枪,然后我们都完蛋了。”
(笑声)
20:25
(Laughter)
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这概念是完全一致的。
20:26
So that's the same concept.
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20:27
Then again, sometimes economists get it wrong.
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但有时候经济学家会弄错。
20:29
One thing we observed in the data is that it looked like --
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我们观察数据,
20:34
the gang leader always got paid.
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黑帮头目总是能拿到报酬,对吧?
20:37
No matter how bad it was economically, he always got himself paid.
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无论经济状况多么惨淡,他总是能支付他自己的工资。
20:42
We had some theories related to cash flow,
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所以我们关于现金流又得出了些理论,
20:44
and lack of access to capital markets, and things like that.
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缺乏对资产市场的渠道,诸如此类。
20:47
Then we asked the gang member,
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然后我们问那些党内成员,
20:48
"Why is it you always get paid and your workers don't always get paid?"
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“为什么你总有钱拿,而你的手下却从来拿不到报酬?”
他回答,“那些土人都想要抢你的位子,你明白吗?”
20:52
His response is,
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20:53
"You got all these niggers below you who want your job, you dig?
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如果你没钱,他们会认为你是没种的狗屎。”
20:56
If you start taking losses, they see you as weak and shit."
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20:59
And I thought about it and said,
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我想了想说,
21:00
"CEOs often pay themselves million-dollar bonuses,
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“CEO们通常给自己上百万美金的年终奖,
21:04
even when companies are losing a lot of money.
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即使公司面临亏损。
21:06
And it never would really occur to an economist
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经济学家们永远不会想到“没种的狗屎”理论,
21:09
that this idea of 'weak and shit' could really be important."
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21:11
(Laughter)
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会这么重要。”
但也可能,
21:15
Maybe "weak and shit" is an important hypothesis that needs more analysis.
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可能这个“没种的狗屎”会是一个有待进一步分析的重要假说。
21:21
Thank you very much.
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谢谢。
21:22
(Applause)
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