The mad scientist of music | Mark Applebaum

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Translator: Joseph Geni Reviewer: Thu-Huong Ha
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Prevodilac: Tijana Mihajlović Lektor: Mile Živković
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I thought if I skipped it might help my nerves,
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Mislio sam da će mi poskakivanje pomoći sa nervozom,
00:21
but I'm actually having a paradoxical reaction to that,
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ali u stvari imam paradoksalnu reakciju na to,
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so that was a bad idea. (Laughter)
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pa je to bila loša ideja. (Smeh)
00:26
Anyway, I was really delighted to receive the invitation
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Kako god, zaista mi je bilo drago da primim pozivnicu
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to present to you some of my music and some of my work
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da predstavim deo svoje muzike i svog rada
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as a composer, presumably because it appeals
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kao kompozitora, verovatno zato što to odgovara
00:36
to my well-known and abundant narcissism. (Laughter)
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mom dobro poznatom i obilnom narcisizmu. (Smeh)
00:40
And I'm not kidding, I just think we should just
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Ne šalim se; samo mislim da bi trebalo to da kažemo
00:43
say that and move forward. (Laughter)
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i krenemo napred. (Smeh)
00:46
So, but the thing is, a dilemma quickly arose,
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Stvar je u tome da se brzo javila dilema,
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and that is that I'm really bored with music,
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a to je da mi je muzika stvarno dosadila
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and I'm really bored with the role of the composer,
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i da mi je stvarno dosadila uloga kompozitora,
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and so I decided to put that idea, boredom,
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pa sam odlučio da stavim tu ideju - dosadu -
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as the focus of my presentation to you today.
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u središte moje današnje prezentacije.
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And I'm going to share my music with you, but I hope
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Podeliću svoju muziku sa vama, ali se nadam
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that I'm going to do so in a way that tells a story,
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da ću to uraditi na način koji priča priču,
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tells a story about how I used boredom as a catalyst
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priču o tome kako sam koristio dosadu kao katalizator
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for creativity and invention, and how boredom
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za kreativnost i inventivnost i kako me je dosada
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actually forced me to change the fundamental question
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u stvari naterala da promenim osnovno pitanje
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that I was asking in my discipline,
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koje sam postavljao u svojoj disciplini
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and how boredom also, in a sense,
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i kako me je dosada u nekom smislu
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pushed me towards taking on roles beyond the sort of
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pogurala da prihvatim uloge van najtradicionalnije,
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most traditional, narrow definition of a composer.
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uske definicije kompozitora.
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What I'd like to do today is to start with an excerpt
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Želeo bih da danas započnem odlomkom
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of a piece of music at the piano.
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iz muzičkog dela na klaviru.
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(Music)
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(Muzika)
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Okay, I wrote that. (Laughter)
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OK. Ja sam to napisao. (Smeh)
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No, it's not — (Applause) Oh, why thank you.
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Ne, nisam. (Aplauz) Oh, pa hvala vam.
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No, no, I didn't write that.
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Ne, ne, ja to nisam napisao.
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In fact, that was a piece by Beethoven,
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U stvari, to je bilo Betovenovo delo,
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and so I was not functioning as a composer.
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te nisam funkcionisao kao kompozitor.
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Just now I was functioning in the role of the interpreter,
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Upravo sam bio izvođač
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and there I am, interpreter.
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i eto me - izvođač.
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So, an interpreter of what? Of a piece of music, right?
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Izvođač čega? Muzičkog dela, zar ne?
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But we can ask the question, "But is it music?"
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Međutim, možemo postaviti pitanje: „Da li je to muzika?"
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And I say this rhetorically, because of course
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Kažem ovo retorički jer, naravno,
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by just about any standard we would have to concede
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prema svakom standardu se moramo složiti
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that this is, of course, a piece of music,
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da je ovo, naravno, muzičko delo,
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but I put this here now because,
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ali stavio sam ovo ovde sada,
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just to set it in your brains for the moment,
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čisto da ga imate na umu na trenutak,
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because we're going to return to this question.
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jer ćemo se vraćati na ovo pitanje.
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It's going to be a kind of a refrain
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Biće to neka vrsta refrena
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as we go through the presentation.
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kako budemo išli kroz prezentaciju.
02:21
So here we have this piece of music by Beethoven,
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Dakle, ovde imamo Betovenovo muzičko delo,
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and my problem with it is, it's boring.
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a moj problem s njim je - dosadno je.
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I mean, you — I'm just like, a hush, huh -- It's like -- (Laughter)
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Mislim, vi - ja samo - ššš, ššš - to je kao - (Smeh)
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It's Beethoven, how can you say that?
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To je Betoven.
Kako možeš da kažeš nešto tako?
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No, well, I don't know, it's very familiar to me.
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Pa, ne znam. Poznato mi je.
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I had to practice it as a kid, and I'm really sick of it. So -- (Laughter)
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Morao sam da ga vežbam kao dete
i muka mi je od njega, pa - (Smeh)
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I would, so what I might like to try to do is to change it,
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Možda bi mi se dopalo da ga promenim,
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to transform it in some ways, to personalize it,
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transformišem na neki način, da ga učinim ličnim,
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so I might take the opening, like this idea --
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pa bih mogao uzeti uvod, kao ovu ideju -
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(Music)
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(Muzika)
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and then I might substitute -- (Music)
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a onda bih mogao da zamenim - (Muzika)
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and then I might improvise on that melody
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a onda da improvizujem
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that goes forward from there -- (Music)
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sa tom melodijom koja ide odatle -
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(Music)
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(Muzika)
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So that might be the kind of thing -- Why thank you.
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Dakle, to bi mogla biti stvar - Oh, pa hvala.
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(Applause)
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(Aplauz)
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That would be the kind of thing that I would do,
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To bi bilo ono što bih uradio
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and it's not necessarily better than the Beethoven.
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i to ne mora da bude bolje od Betovena.
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In fact, I think it's not better than it. The thing is -- (Laughter) --
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U stvari, mislim da nije bolja. Stvar je u tome - (Smeh)
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it's more interesting to me. It's less boring for me.
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da je meni interesantnija. Manje mi je dosadna.
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I'm really leaning into me, because I, because I have
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Moram se osloniti na sebe, jer ja moram da mislim
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to think about what decisions I'm going to make on the fly
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o tome koje ću odluke doneti u trenutku
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as that Beethoven text is running in time through my head
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dok taj Betovenov tekst teče kroz vreme u mojoj glavi
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and I'm trying to figure out what kinds of transformations
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i ja pokušavam da shvatim
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I'm going to make to it.
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kakve ću promene da primenim.
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So this is an engaging enterprise for me, and
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To je, dakle, poduhvat koji me angažuje,
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I've really leaned into that first person pronoun thing there,
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a zaista sam se oslonio na zamenicu prvog lica ovde,
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and now my face appears twice, so I think we can agree
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pa se sada moje lice pojavljuje dvaput,
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that this is a fundamentally solipsistic enterprise. (Laughter)
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da ćemo se složiti da je ovo u osnovi solipsističan poduhvat, (Smeh)
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But it's an engaging one, and it's interesting to me
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ali zahteva angažovanje, pa mi je neko vreme interesantan,
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for a while, but then I get bored with it, and by it,
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ali mi i to onda dosadi,
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I actually mean, the piano, because it becomes,
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a pod tim podrazumevam klavir, zato što postane -
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it's this familiar instrument, it's timbral range is actually
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to je poznat instrument. Domet boje njegovog zvuka je
04:23
pretty compressed, at least when you play on the keyboard,
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u stvari prilično zbijen, bar kada svirate na klavijaturama,
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and if you're not doing things like listening to it
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osim ako ga ne slušate
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after you've lit it on fire or something like that, you know.
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pošto ste ga zapalili ili nešto slično, znate.
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It gets a little bit boring, and so pretty soon
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Postane dosadnjikav i prilično brzo se okrećem
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I go through other instruments, they become familiar,
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drugim instrumentima, pa oni postanu poznati
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and eventually I find myself designing and constructing
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i na kraju zateknem sebe da dizajniram i gradim
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my own instrument, and I brought one with me today,
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sopstveni instrument, a ovaj sam danas doneo sa sobom
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and I thought I would play a little bit on it for you
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i mislio da vam malo sviram na njemu
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so you can hear what it sounds like.
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da biste mogli da čujete kako zvuči.
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(Music)
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(Muzika)
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You gotta have doorstops, that's important. (Laughter)
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Morate da imate šarke; to je važno. (Smeh)
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I've got combs. They're the only combs that I own. (Music)
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Imam češljeve. To su jedini češljevi koje posedujem. (Smeh)
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They're all mounted on my instruments. (Laughter)
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Svi su montirani na mojim instrumentima. (Smeh)
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(Music)
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(Muzika)
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I can actually do all sorts of things. I can play
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Mogu da radim različite stvari; mogu da sviram gudalom violine.
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with a violin bow. I don't have to use the chopsticks.
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Ne moram da koristim štapiće za jelo.
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So we have this sound. (Music)
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Imamo ovaj zvuk. (Muzika)
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And with a bank of live electronics,
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A sa bankom žive elektronike,
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I can change the sounds radically. (Music)
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mogu radikalno da promenim zvukove.
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(Music)
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(Muzika)
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Like that, and like this. (Music)
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Ovako i ovako, (Muzika)
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And so forth.
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i tako dalje.
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So this gives you a little bit of an idea of the sound world
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Ovo vam donekle daje predstavu o svetu zvukova
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of this instrument, which I think is quite interesting
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ovog instrumenta, za koji mislim da je prilično interesantan,
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and it puts me in the role of the inventor, and the nice thing about —
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a što me stavlja u ulogu pronalazača, a lepa stvar u vezi -
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This instrument is called the Mouseketeer ... (Laughter)
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Ovaj instrument se zove „Mišketar" - (Smeh)
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and the cool thing about it is
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a super stvar u vezi sa tim je
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I'm the world's greatest Mouseketeer player. (Laughter)
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da sam najbolji svetski svirač „Mišketara" na svetu. (Smeh)
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Okay? (Applause)
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U redu? (Aplauz)
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So in that regard, this is one of the things,
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U tom pogledu, ovo je jedna stvar,
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this is one of the privileges of being,
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jedna od privilegija,
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and here's another role, the inventor, and by the way,
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a evo i druge uloge, izumitelja, a uzgred budi rečeno,
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when I told you that I'm the world's greatest,
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kada sam vam rekao da sam najbolji na svetu,
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if you're keeping score, we've had narcissism and solipsism
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ako neko vodi evidenciju, imali smo narcisizam i solisizam,
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and now a healthy dose of egocentricism.
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a sada i zdravu dozu egocentrizma.
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I know some of you are just, you know, bingo! Or, I don't know. (Laughter)
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Znam da su neki od vas rekli - bingo! Ili, ne znam. (Smeh)
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Anyway, so this is also a really enjoyable role.
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Dakle, ovo je vrlo prijatna uloga.
Treba da priznam da sam
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I should concede also that I'm the world's worst Mouseketeer player,
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i najgori svetski svirač „Mišketara"
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and it was this distinction that I was most worried about
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i zbog te odlike sam najviše brinuo
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when I was on that prior side of the tenure divide.
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dok sam bio na prethodnoj strani podele mesta.
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I'm glad I'm past that. We're not going to go into that.
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Drago mi je da se to završilo, Nećemo više zalaziti u to.
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I'm crying on the inside. There are still scars.
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Plačem iznutra; još imam ožiljke.
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Anyway, but I guess my point is that all of these enterprises
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Pretpostavljam da je moja poenta da me svi ovi poduhvati okupiraju
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are engaging to me in their multiplicity, but as I've presented them
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svojom raznovrsnošću, ali kako sam vam ih danas i predstavio,
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to you today, they're actually solitary enterprises,
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oni su u stvari usamljeni poduhvati
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and so pretty soon I want to commune with other people, and so
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te uskoro želim da komuniciram sa ljudima,
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I'm delighted that in fact I get to compose works for them.
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pe sam oduševljen što mogu da komponujem dela za njih.
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I get to write, sometimes for soloists and I get to work with one person,
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Mogu pisati, nekada za soliste, te radim sa jednom osobom,
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sometimes full orchestras, and I work with a lot of people,
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a nekada sa čitavim orkestrima, pa radim sa puno ljudi.
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and this is probably the capacity, the role creatively
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Ovo je verovatno kapacitet, kreativna uloga
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for which I'm probably best known professionally.
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po kojoj sam verovatno najbolje poznat u poslu.
07:24
Now, some of my scores as a composer look like this,
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Neki od mojih kompozitorskih tonova izgledaju ovako,
07:27
and others look like this,
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drugi ovako,
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and some look like this,
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a neki ovako.
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and I make all of these by hand, and it's really tedious.
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Sve ih ručno zapisujem, a to je stvarno dosadno.
07:34
It takes a long, long time to make these scores,
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Treba puno, puno vremena da se ovi tonovi zapišu,
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and right now I'm working on a piece
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a trenutno radim na delu
07:38
that's 180 pages in length,
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koje ima 180 strana.
07:40
and it's just a big chunk of my life, and I'm just pulling out hair.
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To je dobar deo mog života i jednostavno mi dođe da počupam kosu.
07:45
I have a lot of it, and that's a good thing I suppose. (Laughter)
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Imam je puno, a to je, pretpostavljam, dobra stvar.
07:47
So this gets really boring and really tiresome for me,
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Dakle, ovo postaje stvarno dosadno i zamorno za mene.
Posle nekog vremena, proces zapisivanja nota
07:51
so after a while the process of notating is not only boring,
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nije samo dosadan,
07:54
but I actually want the notation to be more interesting,
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već u stvari poželim da zapisivanje postane zanimljivije.
07:57
and so that's pushed me to do other projects like this one.
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To me je navelo da radim projekte kao što je ovaj.
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This is an excerpt from a score called
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Ovo je odlomak iz notnog zapisa koji se zove
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"The Metaphysics of Notation."
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„Metafizika zapisivanja nota".
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The full score is 72 feet wide.
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Celokupni notni zapis širok je 22 metra.
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It's a bunch of crazy pictographic notation.
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To je gomila ludih piktografskih notnih zapisa.
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Let's zoom in on one section of it right here. You can see
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Hajde da uvećamo jedan deo ovde, Možete da vidite
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it's rather detailed. I do all of this with drafting templates,
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da je prilično detaljno. Sve ovo radim preko skiciranih obrazaca,
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with straight edges, with French curves, and by freehand,
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pravih uglova, francuskih krivih linija i slobodnom rukom,
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and the 72 feet was actually split
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a tih 22 metra bilo je podeljeno
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into 12 six-foot-wide panels that were installed
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na 12 ploča širine 1,8 metara koje su postavljene
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around the Cantor Arts Center Museum lobby balcony,
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oko balkona u predvorju muzeja Centra Kantorove umetnosti,
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and it appeared for one year in the museum,
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a bili su izloženi godinu dana u tom muzeju.
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and during that year, it was experienced as visual art
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Tokom te godine, doživljavani su kao vizuelna umetnost
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most of the week, except, as you can see in these pictures,
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većim delom nedelje, osim, kao što vidite na slikama,
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on Fridays, from noon til one, and only during that time,
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petkom, od podneva do jedan, i samo tokom tog perioda
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various performers came and interpreted these strange
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dolazili su različiti izvođači i izvodili ove čudne
08:45
and undefined pictographic glyphs. (Laughter)
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i nedefinisane piktografske znakove. (Smeh)
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Now this was a really exciting experience for me.
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Ovo je za mene bilo veoma uzbudljivo iskustvo.
08:52
It was gratifying musically, but I think
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Bilo je muzički prijatno, ali mislim
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the more important thing is it was exciting because I got to take on
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da je važnija stvar da je bilo uzbudljivo jer sam preuzeo
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another role, especially given that it appeared in a museum,
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drugu ulogu, posebno zato što je izloženo u muzeju,
08:59
and that is as visual artist. (Laughter)
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a to znači - vizuelni umetnik. (Smeh)
09:03
We're going to fill up the whole thing, don't worry. (Laughter)
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Popunićemo celu stvar; ne brinite. (Smeh)
09:05
I am multitudes. (Laughter)
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Ja sam mnogostruk. (Smeh)
09:07
So one of the things is that, I mean, some people
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Pa, jedna od stvari je - mislim, neki ljudi bi rekli
09:10
would say, like, "Oh, you're being a dilettante,"
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nešto kao: „Oh, ponašaš se kao diletant",
09:12
and maybe that's true. I can understand how, I mean,
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a možda je to i istina. Mogu to da razumem
09:14
because I don't have a pedigree in visual art
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jer nemam diplomu iz vizuelne umetnosti
09:16
and I don't have any training, but it's just something
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i nisam prošao obuku, ali je to nešto
09:18
that I wanted to do as an extension of my composition,
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što sam želeo da uradim kao proširenje svoje kompozicije,
09:21
as an extension of a kind of creative impulse.
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kao proširenje kreativnog impulsa.
09:24
I can understand the question, though. "But is it music?"
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Ipak, mogu da razumem pitanje: „Ali, da li je to muzika?"
09:27
I mean, there's not any traditional notation.
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Tu ne postoji tradicionalno zapisivanje nota.
09:29
I can also understand that sort of implicit criticism
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Takođe mogu da razumem i implicitnu kritiku
09:31
in this piece, "S-tog," which I made when I was living in Copenhagen.
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u delu „S-tog" koje sam stvorio dok sam živeo u Kopenhagenu.
09:35
I took the Copenhagen subway map and
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Uzeo sam mapu kopenhaškog metroa
09:37
I renamed all the stations to abstract musical provocations,
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i preimenovao sve stanice u apstraktne muzičke provokacije,
09:40
and the players, who are synchronized with stopwatches,
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a izvođači, koji su sinhronizovani sa štopericama
09:43
follow the timetables, which are listed in minutes past the hour.
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prate rasporede, koji su izlistani po minutama tokom jednog časa.
09:46
So this is a case of actually adapting something,
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Ovo je, dakle, slučaj adaptiranja nečega
09:49
or maybe stealing something,
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ili možda krađe nečega,
09:51
and then turning it into a musical notation.
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a zatim njegovog pretvaranja u zapisivanje nota.
09:53
Another adaptation would be this piece.
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Druga adaptacija bi bila ovo delo.
09:55
I took the idea of the wristwatch, and I turned it into a musical score.
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Uzeo sam ideju ručnog sata i pretvorio je u muzičko delo.
09:58
I made my own faces, and had a company fabricate them,
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Napravio sam sopstvena lica i dao kompaniji da ih proizvede,
10:02
and the players follow these scores.
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a izvođači prate ove note.
10:04
They follow the second hands, and as they pass over
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Prate kazaljke za minute i dok prelaze
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the various symbols, the players respond musically.
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preko različitih simbola, izvođači reaguju kroz muziku.
10:09
Here's another example from another piece,
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Evo još jednog primera dela
10:11
and then its realization.
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i njegove realizacije.
10:13
So in these two capacities, I've been scavenger,
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Dakle, u ova dva slučaja, bio sam skupljač otpada
10:16
in the sense of taking, like, the subway map, right,
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u smislu uzimanja, recimo, mape metroa
10:18
or thief maybe, and I've also been designer,
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i možda lopov, a bio sam i dizajner
10:21
in the case of making the wristwatches.
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u slučaju stvaranja ovih satova.
10:23
And once again, this is, for me, interesting.
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Ponovo, ovo je za mene bilo zanimljivo.
10:26
Another role that I like to take on is that of the performance artist.
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Još jedna uloga koju volim da preuzmem je uloga izvođača performansa.
10:30
Some of my pieces have these kind of weird theatric elements,
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Neka od mojih dela imaju čudne pozorišne elemente,
10:32
and I often perform them. I want to show you a clip
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a ja ih često izvodim. Želim da vam pokažem snimak
10:35
from a piece called "Echolalia."
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iz dela pod imenom „Ekolalia".
10:36
This is actually being performed by Brian McWhorter,
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Izvodi ga Brajan MekVorter,
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who is an extraordinary performer.
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koji je izuzetan izvođač.
10:41
Let's watch a little bit of this, and please notice the instrumentation.
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Pogledajmo malo ovo i molim vas, primetite instrumentaciju.
10:44
(Music)
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(Muzika)
11:13
Okay, I hear you were laughing nervously because
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OK, čujem da se nervozno smejete
11:15
you too could hear that the drill was a little bit sharp,
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jer ste i vi čuli da je bušilica previše oštra;
11:17
the intonation was a little questionable. (Laughter)
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intonacija je malo upitna. (Smeh)
11:19
Let's watch just another clip.
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Hajde da odgledamo još jedan snimak.
11:21
(Music)
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(Muzika)
11:32
You can see the mayhem continues, and there's, you know,
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Možete videti da se haos nastavlja.
11:34
there were no clarinets and trumpets
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Nema klarineta i truba,
11:36
and flutes and violins. Here's a piece that has
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flauta i violina. Evo dela koje ima
11:38
an even more unusual, more peculiar instrumentation.
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još neobičniju, čudniju instrumentaciju.
11:41
This is "Tlön," for three conductors and no players. (Laughter)
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Ovo je „Tlön" za tri dirigenta i bez izvođača. (Smeh)
11:57
This was based on the experience of actually watching
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Bazirano je na iskustvu posmatranja
11:59
two people having a virulent argument in sign language,
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dvoje ljudi koji se žestoko svađaju na znakovnom jeziku,
12:02
which produced no decibels to speak of,
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što ne proizvodi decibele,
12:03
but affectively, psychologically, was a very loud experience.
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ali je afektivno, psihološki, bilo veoma glasno iskustvo.
12:07
So, yeah, I get it, with, like, the weird appliances
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Da, kontam, sa svim tim čudnim uređajima
12:10
and then the total absence of conventional instruments
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i potpunim odsustvom konvencionalnih instrumenata
12:15
and this glut of conductors, people might, you know,
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i gomilom dirigenata, ljudi bi se mogli zapitati:
12:17
wonder, yeah, "Is this music?"
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„Da li je ovo muzika?"
12:20
But let's move on to a piece where clearly I'm behaving myself,
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Hajde da nastavimo sa delom gde se lepo ponašam,
12:24
and that is my "Concerto for Orchestra."
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a to je moj „Koncert za orkestar".
12:27
You're going to notice a lot of conventional instruments
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Primetićete puno konvencionalnih instrumenata
12:29
in this clip. (Music)
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u snimku.
12:32
(Music)
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(Muzika)
12:45
This, in fact, is not the title of this piece.
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U stvari, ovo nije naziv ovog dela.
12:47
I was a bit mischievous. In fact, to make it more interesting,
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Malo sam bio nestašan. Da bi bilo interesantnije,
12:50
I put a space right in here, and this is the actual title of the piece.
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ostavio sam prazno mesto ovde, a ovo je pravi naslov dela.
12:54
Let's continue with that same excerpt.
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Nastavimo sa istim isečkom.
12:56
(Music)
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13:06
It's better with a florist, right? (Laughter) (Music)
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Bolje je sa cvećarom, zar ne? (Smeh) (Muzika)
13:15
Or at least it's less boring. Let's watch a couple more clips.
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Bar je manje dosadno. Hajde da odgledamo još par snimaka.
13:17
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(Muzika)
13:31
So with all these theatric elements, this pushes me in another role,
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Sa svim pozorišnim elementima, ovo me stavlja u još jednu ulogu,
13:34
and that would be, possibly, the dramaturge.
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a to je, moguće, dramaturg.
13:37
I was playing nice. I had to write the orchestra bits, right?
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Lepo sam se ponašao. Morao sam da napišem delove za orkestar, zar ne?
13:41
Okay? But then there was this other stuff, right?
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OK? Međutim, postojale su i ove druge stvari, zar ne?
13:44
There was the florist, and I can understand that,
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Tu je cvećar i mogu razumeti
13:45
once again, we're putting pressure on the ontology of music
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da, ponovo, stavljamo pritisak na ontologiju muzike
13:49
as we know it conventionally,
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kakvu tradicionalno poznajemo.
13:51
but let's look at one last piece today I'm going to share with you.
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Pogledajmo poslednje delo za danas koje ću podeliti sa vama.
13:56
This is going to be a piece called "Aphasia,"
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Ovo je delo pod nazivom „Afazija"
13:58
and it's for hand gestures synchronized to sound,
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za pokrete ruke koji su usinhronizovani sa zvukom,
14:02
and this invites yet another role, and final one
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a ovo predstavlja još jednu ulogu,
14:05
I'll share with you, which is that of the choreographer.
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poslednju koju ću podeliti sa vama, a to je koreograf.
14:07
And the score for the piece looks like this,
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Note za delo izgledaju ovako,
14:10
and it instructs me, the performer, to make
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što meni, izvođaču, daje instrukcije
14:14
various hand gestures at very specific times
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o različitim pokretima ruku u određenim trenucima
14:17
synchronized with an audio tape, and that audio tape
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koji su sinhronizovani sa audio trakom,
14:19
is made up exclusively of vocal samples.
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a ona je napravljena isključivo
od vokalnih uzoraka.
14:22
I recorded an awesome singer,
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Usnimio sam sjajnog pevača
14:24
and I took the sound of his voice in my computer,
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i prebacio zvuk njegovog glasa u svoj kompjuter
14:27
and I warped it in countless ways to come up with
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i izvitoperio ga na bezbrojne načine da bih dobio
14:29
the soundtrack that you're about to hear.
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snimak koji ćete čuti.
14:32
And I'll perform just an excerpt of "Aphasia" for you here. Okay?
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Izvešću samo deo „Afazije" za vas. U redu?
14:37
(Music)
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(Muzika)
15:15
So that gives you a little taste of that piece. (Applause)
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To vam daje mali uvid u to delo. (Aplauz)
15:21
Yeah, okay, that's kind of weird stuff.
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Da, OK, to je malo uvrnuto.
15:24
Is it music? Here's how I want to conclude.
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Da li je to muzika? Evo kako želim da zaključim.
15:26
I've decided, ultimately, that this is the wrong question,
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Odlučio sam, na kraju, da je ovo pogrešno pitanje,
15:29
that this is not the important question.
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da ovo nije važno pitanje.
15:31
The important question is, "Is it interesting?"
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Važno pitanje je: „Da li je interesantno?",
15:33
And I follow this question, not worrying about "Is it music?" --
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a ja pravim ovo pitanje, ne brinući o tome „Da li je muzika?" -
15:36
not worrying about the definition of the thing that I'm making.
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o definiciji stvari koju kreiram.
15:39
I allow my creativity to push me
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Dozvoljavam svojoj kreativnosti
15:41
in directions that are simply interesting to me,
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da me pogura u pravcu koji mi je interesantan
15:43
and I don't worry about the likeness of the result
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i ne brinem o tome da li rezultat liči
15:46
to some notion, some paradigm,
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na neku ideju, paradigmu
15:48
of what music composition is supposed to be,
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o tome šta bi muzička kompozicija trebalo da bude
15:51
and that has actually urged me, in a sense,
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i to me je u određenom smislu podstaklo
15:54
to take on a whole bunch of different roles,
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da preuzmem gomilu različitih uloga.
15:56
and so what I want you to think about is,
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Ono o čemu bih voleo da razmislite je
15:58
to what extent might you change the fundamental question
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dokle biste vi mogli da promenite
16:01
in your discipline, and, okay,
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osnovno pitanje u vašoj disciplini.
16:04
I'm going to put one extra little footnote in here,
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Staviću još jednu dodatnu belešku ovde
16:06
because, like, I realized I mentioned
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jer sam shvatio da sam pomenuo
16:08
some psychological defects earlier, and we also,
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neke psihološke defekte ranije
16:11
along the way, had a fair amount of obsessive behavior,
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i da smo usput imali priličnu količinu opsesivnog ponašanja,
16:14
and there was some delusional behavior and things like that,
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deluzionih poremećaja i sličnih stvari,
16:16
and here I think we could say that this is an argument
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pa mislim da bismo mogli reći da je ovo argument
16:19
for self-loathing and a kind of schizophrenia,
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za samopreziranje i vrstu šizofrenije,
16:21
at least in the popular use of the term,
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bar u popularnoj upotrebi ovih termina,
16:23
and I really mean dissociative identity disorder, okay. (Laughter)
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a stvarno mislim kad kažem
disocijativni poremećaj ličnosti. (Smeh)
16:26
Anyway, despite those perils, I would urge you
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Uprkos tim opasnostima, zamolio bih vas
16:29
to think about the possibility that you might take on roles
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da razmislite o tome
šta biste preuzeli od uloga
16:31
in your own work, whether they are neighboring
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u vašem radu, bilo da su srodne
16:33
or far-flung from your professional definition.
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ili daleke od vaše profesionalne definicije.
16:36
And with that, I thank you very much. (Applause)
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Sa tim, hvala vam. (Aplauz)
16:38
(Applause)
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