The mad scientist of music | Mark Applebaum

Translator: Joseph Geni Reviewer: Thu-Huong Ha

Prevoditelj: Senzos Osijek Recezent: Ivan Stamenković

I thought if I skipped it might help my nerves,

Mislio sam da bi pomoglo mojim živcima

but I'm actually having a paradoxical reaction to that,

kada bih to preskočio, ali zapravo imam paradoksalnu reakciju na to,

so that was a bad idea. (Laughter)

tako da je to bila loša ideja. ( Smijeh)

Anyway, I was really delighted to receive the invitation

Bio sam oduševljen kad sam primio poziv

to present to you some of my music and some of my work

da predstavim nešto od moje glazbe i neke moje skladateljske

as a composer, presumably because it appeals

radove, vjerojatno zato jer to pristaje

to my well-known and abundant narcissism. (Laughter)

mom dobro znanom i obilnom narcisizmu. (Smijeh)

And I'm not kidding, I just think we should just

I ne šalim se, samo mislim da bih to trebao

say that and move forward. (Laughter)

reći, pa možemo krenuti dalje. ( Smijeh)

So, but the thing is, a dilemma quickly arose,

Ali stvar je u tome da je uskoro nastala dilema .

and that is that I'm really bored with music,

Dosadila mi je glazba

and I'm really bored with the role of the composer,

i dosadila mi je uloga skladatelja

and so I decided to put that idea, boredom,

i tako sam odlučio postaviti tu ideju, dosadu,

as the focus of my presentation to you today.

kao središte moje današnje prezentacije.

And I'm going to share my music with you, but I hope

Podijelit ću svoju glazbu s vama, ali se nadam

that I'm going to do so in a way that tells a story,

da ću to uspjeti učiniti na način da ispričam priču,

tells a story about how I used boredom as a catalyst

priču o tome kako sam iskoristio dosadu kao katalizator

for creativity and invention, and how boredom

za kreativnost I inventivnost, kako me zapravo dosada

actually forced me to change the fundamental question

prisilila da promijenim osnovno pitanje

that I was asking in my discipline,

koje sam postavljao u svome poslu

and how boredom also, in a sense,

te kako me je dosada, na neki način,

pushed me towards taking on roles beyond the sort of

potaknula prema preuzimanju uloge iznad

most traditional, narrow definition of a composer.

one tradicionalne, uske definicije skladatelja.

What I'd like to do today is to start with an excerpt

Htio bih danas započeti jednim odlomkom

of a piece of music at the piano.

iz skladbe za klavir.

(Music)

(Glazba)

Okay, I wrote that. (Laughter)

U redu, to sam ja napisao. (Smijeh)

No, it's not — (Applause) Oh, why thank you.

Ne, nisam… Oh, hvala vam.

No, no, I didn't write that.

Ne, ne, nisam ja to napisao.

In fact, that was a piece by Beethoven,

Zapravo, ovo je Beethovenovo djelo,

and so I was not functioning as a composer.

a ja ovdje nisam bio u ulozi skladatelja.

Just now I was functioning in the role of the interpreter,

Ovdje sam bio tumač.

and there I am, interpreter.

Evo, to sam ja, izvođač.

So, an interpreter of what? Of a piece of music, right?

Dakle, izvođač čega? Glazbenog djela, zar ne?

But we can ask the question, "But is it music?"

Ali možemo postaviti pitanje: “Je li to glazba?”

And I say this rhetorically, because of course

I kažem ovo retorički jer, naravno,

by just about any standard we would have to concede

prema svakom standardu moramo se složiti

that this is, of course, a piece of music,

da ovo jest glazbeno djelo,

but I put this here now because,

ali stavio sam ovo tu zato

just to set it in your brains for the moment,

da bih vam nakratko to pitanje stavio na um

because we're going to return to this question.

jer ćemo se kasnije vratiti njemu.

It's going to be a kind of a refrain

Bit će to neka vrsta refrena (pripjeva)

as we go through the presentation.

kako budemo prolazili kroz prezentaciju.

So here we have this piece of music by Beethoven,

Dakle, imamo ovdje Beethovenovo glazbeno djelo,

and my problem with it is, it's boring.

a ono što je tu problem jest da je dosadno.

I mean, you — I'm just like, a hush, huh -- It's like -- (Laughter)

Mislim, vi…. Ja samo…pst, pst… Kao… (Smijeh)

It's Beethoven, how can you say that?

To je Beethoven, kako možeš to reći?!

No, well, I don't know, it's very familiar to me.

Ne znam, meni je djelo jako poznato.

I had to practice it as a kid, and I'm really sick of it. So -- (Laughter)

Morao sam ga puno vježbati kao dijete i zlo mi je već od njega. I zato, (Smijeh)

I would, so what I might like to try to do is to change it,

ono što bih volio pokušati jest preobraziti

to transform it in some ways, to personalize it,

ga na neki način, personalizirati.

so I might take the opening, like this idea --

Mogao bih uzeti uvod, poput ove ideje …

(Music)

(Glazba)

and then I might substitute -- (Music)

a zatim bih mogao zamijeniti … (Glazba)

and then I might improvise on that melody

a onda bih mogao improvizirati na tu melodiju

that goes forward from there -- (Music)

koja ide odavde…(Glazba)

(Music)

(Glazba)

So that might be the kind of thing -- Why thank you.

To bi bilo nešto što… Hvala vam.

(Applause)

(Pljesak)

That would be the kind of thing that I would do,

To bi bilo nešto što bih ja učinio,

and it's not necessarily better than the Beethoven.

ali nije nužno bolje od Beethovena.

In fact, I think it's not better than it. The thing is -- (Laughter) --

Zapravo, mislim da nije bolje od Beethovena. Stvar je u tome… (Smijeh)

it's more interesting to me. It's less boring for me.

tako mi je zanimljivije. Manje mi je dosadno.

I'm really leaning into me, because I, because I have

Moram se osloniti na samog sebe jer moram

to think about what decisions I'm going to make on the fly

razmisliti koje ću brze odluke donijeti dok

as that Beethoven text is running in time through my head

taj Beethovenov tekst teče kroz vrijeme mojom glavom

and I'm trying to figure out what kinds of transformations

i pokušavam smisliti kakve ću promjene

I'm going to make to it.

napraviti.

So this is an engaging enterprise for me, and

To je privlačan pothvat za mene, zaista

I've really leaned into that first person pronoun thing there,

sam se oslonio na tu zamjenicu prvog lica;

and now my face appears twice, so I think we can agree

sad se moje lice pojavljuje dvaput tako da se možemo složiti

that this is a fundamentally solipsistic enterprise. (Laughter)

da je ovo u temelju solipsističan pothvat. (Smijeh)

But it's an engaging one, and it's interesting to me

Ali također je i privlačan. Zanimljiv mi je

for a while, but then I get bored with it, and by it,

neko vrijeme, a onda mi dosadi. Pod tim

I actually mean, the piano, because it becomes,

mislim na klavir jer je poznat instrument

it's this familiar instrument, it's timbral range is actually

pa postane dosadan; domet njegove boje zvuka je zapravo

pretty compressed, at least when you play on the keyboard,

vrlo zbijen, barem kad svirate na klavijaturama.

and if you're not doing things like listening to it

Osim ako ga ne slušate nakon što ste ga zapalili

after you've lit it on fire or something like that, you know.

ili nešto takvo.

It gets a little bit boring, and so pretty soon

Postane pomalo dosadno pa uskoro

I go through other instruments, they become familiar,

prođem druge instrumente. Onda mi i oni postanu poznati

and eventually I find myself designing and constructing

i na kraju si sam dizajniram i gradim

my own instrument, and I brought one with me today,

svoj vlastiti instrument. Jedan sam ponio danas sa sobom

and I thought I would play a little bit on it for you

i htio bih vam ga malo svirati

so you can hear what it sounds like.

da čujete kako zvuči.

(Music)

(Glazba)

You gotta have doorstops, that's important. (Laughter)

Morate imati stopere za vrata, to je važno. (Smijeh)

I've got combs. They're the only combs that I own. (Music)

Imam češljeve. To su jedini češljevi koje posjedujem. (Glazba)

They're all mounted on my instruments. (Laughter)

Svi su montirani na moje instrumente. (Smijeh)

(Music)

(Glazba)

I can actually do all sorts of things. I can play

Zapravo mogu mnogo toga raditi. Mogu svirati

with a violin bow. I don't have to use the chopsticks.

gudalom violine. Ne moram koristiti štapiće za jelo.

So we have this sound. (Music)

Tako dobijemo ovaj zvuk. (Glazba)

And with a bank of live electronics,

A s bankom žive elektronike

I can change the sounds radically. (Music)

mogu potpuno promijeniti zvuk.(Glazba)

(Music)

(Glazba)

Like that, and like this. (Music)

Ovako i ovako. (Glazba)

And so forth.

I tako dalje.

So this gives you a little bit of an idea of the sound world

Ovo vam daje ideju o svijetu zvukova ovoga

of this instrument, which I think is quite interesting

instrumenta koji prilično zanimljiv,

and it puts me in the role of the inventor, and the nice thing about —

a mene stavlja u ulogu izumitelja. Zgodna stvar u vezi toga -

This instrument is called the Mouseketeer ... (Laughter)

instrument se zove “Mišketir”...(Smijeh)

and the cool thing about it is

Dobra stvar u tome je

I'm the world's greatest Mouseketeer player. (Laughter)

da sam ja najbolji svirač mišketira na svijetu. (Smijeh)

Okay? (Applause)

U redu? (Pljesak)

So in that regard, this is one of the things,

U tom pogledu, to je jedna stvar,

this is one of the privileges of being,

ovo je jedna od privilegija,

and here's another role, the inventor, and by the way,

a druga je uloga izumitelja. Usput rečeno,

when I told you that I'm the world's greatest,

kad sam vam rekao da sam najbolji,

if you're keeping score, we've had narcissism and solipsism

ako netko broji, imali smo dosad narcisoidnost i solipsizam

and now a healthy dose of egocentricism.

te sada zdravu dozu egocentrizma.

I know some of you are just, you know, bingo! Or, I don't know. (Laughter)

Znam da su neki od vas pomislili, bingo! Ili, ne znam. (Smijeh)

Anyway, so this is also a really enjoyable role.

Ovo je vrlo ugodna uloga.

I should concede also that I'm the world's worst Mouseketeer player,

Trebao bih reći da sam također i najgori svirač mišketira na svijetu

and it was this distinction that I was most worried about

i to je odlika zbog koje sam se najviše brinuo

when I was on that prior side of the tenure divide.

kad sam bio na prijašnjoj strani podjele mjesta.

I'm glad I'm past that. We're not going to go into that.

Drago mi je da je to sad prošlo. Ne vraćamo se više tome.

I'm crying on the inside. There are still scars.

Plačem iznutra. Još uvijek imam ožiljke.

Anyway, but I guess my point is that all of these enterprises

U svakom slučaju, želim reći da su mi svi ovi pothvati

are engaging to me in their multiplicity, but as I've presented them

zanimljivi u svojoj raznosvrsnosti, ali kako sam vam ih danas

to you today, they're actually solitary enterprises,

predstavio, oni su zapravo usamljeni pothvati,

and so pretty soon I want to commune with other people, and so

tako da uskoro želim komunicirati s drugim ljudima i

I'm delighted that in fact I get to compose works for them.

oduševljen sam kad mogu skladati djela za njih.

I get to write, sometimes for soloists and I get to work with one person,

Mogu pisati, ponekad za soliste i raditi s jednom osobom,

sometimes full orchestras, and I work with a lot of people,

a ponekad s čitavim orkestrom pa radim s mnogo ljudi.

and this is probably the capacity, the role creatively

Ovo je vjerojatno kapacitet, kreativna uloga

for which I'm probably best known professionally.

po kojoj sam profesionalno najpoznatiji.

Now, some of my scores as a composer look like this,

Sad, neki od mojih notnih zapisa izgledaju ovako,

and others look like this,

drugi ovako,

and some look like this,

a poneki ovako.

and I make all of these by hand, and it's really tedious.

Sve to radim ručno, što je prilično mukotrpno.

It takes a long, long time to make these scores,

Dugo traje, puno vremena treba za zapisivanje,

and right now I'm working on a piece

a trenutno radim na djelu

that's 180 pages in length,

koje je dugo 180 stranica.

and it's just a big chunk of my life, and I'm just pulling out hair.

To mi oduzima dobar dio života, dođe mi da si počupam kosu!

I have a lot of it, and that's a good thing I suppose. (Laughter)

Imam je puno, što je valjda dobra stvar. ( Smijeh)

So this gets really boring and really tiresome for me,

Dakle, ovo je jako dosado i zamorno,

so after a while the process of notating is not only boring,

a nakon nekog vremena proces notacije ne samo da je dosadan,

but I actually want the notation to be more interesting,

nego poželim da i sama notacija postane zanimljivija.

and so that's pushed me to do other projects like this one.

To me je navelo na projekte poput ovoga.

This is an excerpt from a score called

Ovo je isječak iz djela pod nazivom

"The Metaphysics of Notation."

“Metafizika notacije”.

The full score is 72 feet wide.

Cijeli notni zapis širok je 22 metra.

It's a bunch of crazy pictographic notation.

To je hrpa lude piktografske notacije.

Let's zoom in on one section of it right here. You can see

Zumirajmo jedan dio. Možete vidjeti

it's rather detailed. I do all of this with drafting templates,

da je prilično detaljno. Sve to radim pomoću skiciranih predložaka,

with straight edges, with French curves, and by freehand,

ravnih rubova, francuskih krivulja i slobodnom rukom.

and the 72 feet was actually split

Ta 22 metra bila su zapravo podijeljena

into 12 six-foot-wide panels that were installed

u 12 ploča od 1.8 metara koje su bile instalirane

around the Cantor Arts Center Museum lobby balcony,

oko balkona predvorja Cantor Arts Center muzeja

and it appeared for one year in the museum,

gdje je bilo izloženo godinu dana.

and during that year, it was experienced as visual art

Tijekom te godine uglavnom je promatrano kao vizualna umjetnost

most of the week, except, as you can see in these pictures,

veći dio tjedna, kao što možete vidjeti na slikama,

on Fridays, from noon til one, and only during that time,

ali petkom od podneva do 1 i samo tijekom tog vremena

various performers came and interpreted these strange

razni su izvođači dolazilii i interpretirali ove neobične i

and undefined pictographic glyphs. (Laughter)

nedefinirane piktografske znakove. (Smijeh)

Now this was a really exciting experience for me.

To je bilo vrlo zanimljivo iskustvo za mene.

It was gratifying musically, but I think

Bilo je glazbeno ugodno, ali mislim

the more important thing is it was exciting because I got to take on

da je još važnije da je bilo zanimljivo jer sam imao

another role, especially given that it appeared in a museum,

drugačiju ulogu, osobito jer je izloženo u muzeju

and that is as visual artist. (Laughter)

kao vizualni umjetnik. (Smijeh)

We're going to fill up the whole thing, don't worry. (Laughter)

Ispunit ćemo mi sve to, ne brinite. ( Smijeh)

I am multitudes. (Laughter)

Ja sam mnogostruk. (Smijeh)

So one of the things is that, I mean, some people

Neki mi ljudi kažu

would say, like, "Oh, you're being a dilettante,"

da sam diletant

and maybe that's true. I can understand how, I mean,

što je možda i točno. Razumijem zašto to misle

because I don't have a pedigree in visual art

jer nemam diplomu iz vizualnih umjetnosti

and I don't have any training, but it's just something

i nemam iskustva, ali to je nešto

that I wanted to do as an extension of my composition,

što sam htio napraviti kao nadogradnju na svoje skladanje,

as an extension of a kind of creative impulse.

kao ekstenziju kreativnog impulsa.

I can understand the question, though. "But is it music?"

Mogu razumijeti to pitanje: “Ali, je Ii to glazba?”

I mean, there's not any traditional notation.

Mislim, tu nema tradicionalne notacije.

I can also understand that sort of implicit criticism

Također mogu razumijeti i neku vrstu implicitnog kriticizma

in this piece, "S-tog," which I made when I was living in Copenhagen.

ovoga djela, “S-tog”, koje sam napravio kad sam bio u Copenhagenu.

I took the Copenhagen subway map and

Uzeo sam kartu kopenhaške podzemne željeznice

I renamed all the stations to abstract musical provocations,

i promijenio imena svih stanica u apstraktne glazbene provokacije.

and the players, who are synchronized with stopwatches,

Izvođači, koji su usklađeni štopericama,

follow the timetables, which are listed in minutes past the hour.

prate vremenski raspored od po nekoliko minuta u satu.

So this is a case of actually adapting something,

Ovo je slučaj adaptiranja

or maybe stealing something,

ili možda krađe nečega

and then turning it into a musical notation.

i pretvaranja istog u notaciju.

Another adaptation would be this piece.

Druga adaptacija bilo bi ovo djelo.

I took the idea of the wristwatch, and I turned it into a musical score.

Uzeo sam ideju ručnoga sata i pretvorio ju u glazbeno djelo.

I made my own faces, and had a company fabricate them,

Sam sam izradio lica i dao tvornici da ih proizvede,

and the players follow these scores.

a izvođači slijede note.

They follow the second hands, and as they pass over

Oni prate kazaljke koje označuju minute i kako one prolaze preko

the various symbols, the players respond musically.

određenih simbola izvođači reagiraju kroz glazbu.

Here's another example from another piece,

Ovdje je primjer još jednog djela

and then its realization.

i njegove realizacije.

So in these two capacities, I've been scavenger,

U ova dva navrata bio sam skupljač otpada

in the sense of taking, like, the subway map, right,

u smislu uzimanja, naprimjer, karte podzemne.

or thief maybe, and I've also been designer,

Ili možda lopov. Također sam bio i dizajner

in the case of making the wristwatches.

u slučaju izrade ručnih satova.

And once again, this is, for me, interesting.

I još jednom, ovo je za mene zanimljivo.

Another role that I like to take on is that of the performance artist.

Još jedna uloga koju volim preuzeti jest uloga umjetnika performansa.

Some of my pieces have these kind of weird theatric elements,

Neka od mojih djela imaju čudne teatralne elemente

and I often perform them. I want to show you a clip

i često ih izvodim. Želim vam pokazati isječak

from a piece called "Echolalia."

iz djela nazvanog “Echolaila”.

This is actually being performed by Brian McWhorter,

Izvodi ga Brian McWhorter

who is an extraordinary performer.

koji je izvrstan izvođač.

Let's watch a little bit of this, and please notice the instrumentation.

Pogledajmo dio ovoga i obratimo pažnju na instrumentaciju.

(Music)

(Glazba)

Okay, I hear you were laughing nervously because

U redu, vidim da ste se nervozno nasmijali jer

you too could hear that the drill was a little bit sharp,

ste i vi mogli čuti da je bušilica bila malo preoštra,

the intonation was a little questionable. (Laughter)

a intonacija upitna. (Smijeh)

Let's watch just another clip.

Pogledajmo još jedan isječak.

(Music)

(Glazba)

You can see the mayhem continues, and there's, you know,

Vidite da se sakaćenje nastavlja.

there were no clarinets and trumpets

Nema klarineta, truba,

and flutes and violins. Here's a piece that has

flauta ni violina.

an even more unusual, more peculiar instrumentation.

Ovo djelo ima još neobičniju, još čudniju instumentaciju.

This is "Tlön," for three conductors and no players. (Laughter)

Ovo je “Tlön”, za tri dirigenta i bez svirača. ( Smijeh)

This was based on the experience of actually watching

Ovo je zapravo temeljeno na iskustvu promatranja

two people having a virulent argument in sign language,

dviju osoba kako vode žučnu raspravu na znakovnom jeziku,

which produced no decibels to speak of,

što nije proizvelo nikakvih decibela,

but affectively, psychologically, was a very loud experience.

ali afektivno i psihološki bilo je to vrlo bučno iskustvo.

So, yeah, I get it, with, like, the weird appliances

Dobro, razumijem. Sa svim tim čudnim uređajima,

and then the total absence of conventional instruments

potpunom odsutnošću tradicionalnih instrumenata

and this glut of conductors, people might, you know,

i ovom hrpicom dirigenata, ljudi se mogu

wonder, yeah, "Is this music?"

zapitati:” Je li ovo glazba?”

But let's move on to a piece where clearly I'm behaving myself,

Krenimo dalje na djelo gdje sam očito pristojan.

and that is my "Concerto for Orchestra."

To je moj “Koncert za orkestar”.

You're going to notice a lot of conventional instruments

Uočit ćete mnogo uobičajenih instrumenata

in this clip. (Music)

u ovome isječku. ( Glazba)

(Music)

(Glazba)

This, in fact, is not the title of this piece.

Ali ovo zapravo nije naziv toga djela.

I was a bit mischievous. In fact, to make it more interesting,

Bio sam pomalo nestašan. Zapravo, da bi bilo zanimljivije,

I put a space right in here, and this is the actual title of the piece.

ostavio sam prostor ovdje gdje bi trebao pisati puni naslov djela.

Let's continue with that same excerpt.

Nastavimo dalje s istim isječkom.

(Music)

(Glazba)

It's better with a florist, right? (Laughter) (Music)

Bolje je s cvjećarom, zar ne? ( Smijeh) (Glazba)

Or at least it's less boring. Let's watch a couple more clips.

Ili je barem manje dosadno. Pogledajmo još par isječaka.

(Music)

(Glazba)

So with all these theatric elements, this pushes me in another role,

Dakle s ovim teatralnim elementima dobivam novu ulogu,

and that would be, possibly, the dramaturge.

ulogu dramaturga.

I was playing nice. I had to write the orchestra bits, right?

Pravio sam se dobar. Morao sam napisati i dijelove za orkestar. U redu?

Okay? But then there was this other stuff, right?

Ali bilo je tu i drugih stvari, zar ne?

There was the florist, and I can understand that,

Tu je cvjećar i mogu razumijeti da,

once again, we're putting pressure on the ontology of music

još jednom, stavljamo pritisak na ontologiju glazbe

as we know it conventionally,

kakvu tradicijski poznajemo,

but let's look at one last piece today I'm going to share with you.

ali pogledajmo zadnje djelo koje ću danas podijeliti s vama.

This is going to be a piece called "Aphasia,"

Ovo je djelo nazvano “Aphasia”

and it's for hand gestures synchronized to sound,

za pokrete ruke usklađene sa zvukom.

and this invites yet another role, and final one

Ovo mi daje novu ulogu, posljednju

I'll share with you, which is that of the choreographer.

koju ću podijeliti s vama, a to je uloga koreografa.

And the score for the piece looks like this,

Notni zapis izgleda ovako

and it instructs me, the performer, to make

i daje meni, izvođaču, upute za

various hand gestures at very specific times

razne pokrete ruku u točno određeno vrijeme

synchronized with an audio tape, and that audio tape

sinkronizirano s audio vrpcom. Ta je vrpca

is made up exclusively of vocal samples.

napravljena isključivo od vokalnih uzoraka.

I recorded an awesome singer,

Snimio sam jednog izvrsnog pjevača,

and I took the sound of his voice in my computer,

stavio zvuk njegova glasa u računalo

and I warped it in countless ways to come up with

i izvitoperio ga na bezbroj načina da bih dobio

the soundtrack that you're about to hear.

ovo što ćete sada čuti.

And I'll perform just an excerpt of "Aphasia" for you here. Okay?

Izvest ću samo jedan isječak iz Aphasije. U redu?

(Music)

(Glazba)

So that gives you a little taste of that piece. (Applause)

Evo, to vam može malo ilustrirati djelo. (Pljesak)

Yeah, okay, that's kind of weird stuff.

Dobro, ovo je malo čudna stvar.

Is it music? Here's how I want to conclude.

Je li to glazba? Evo kako želim zaključiti.

I've decided, ultimately, that this is the wrong question,

Odlučio sam naposljetku da je ovo pogrešno pitanje,

that this is not the important question.

nebitno pitanje.

The important question is, "Is it interesting?"

Važno pitanje jest: “Je li zanimljivo?”

And I follow this question, not worrying about "Is it music?" --

Ja slijedim to pitanje ne brinući je li to glazba,

not worrying about the definition of the thing that I'm making.

ne brinući o definiciji stvari koje radim.

I allow my creativity to push me

Dopuštam kreativnosti da me ponese

in directions that are simply interesting to me,

u smjeru koji mi je jednostavno zanimljiv

and I don't worry about the likeness of the result

i ne brinem o privlačnosti završnog rezultata

to some notion, some paradigm,

ovisno o nekom pojmu, nekim paradigmama

of what music composition is supposed to be,

toga što bi kompozicija trebala biti

and that has actually urged me, in a sense,

i to me je tjeralo

to take on a whole bunch of different roles,

da preuzmem hrpu drugih uloga.

and so what I want you to think about is,

Ono o čemu bih htio da razmislite jest

to what extent might you change the fundamental question

do koje granice biste mogli promijeniti osnovno pitanje

in your discipline, and, okay,

u vašoj disciplini

I'm going to put one extra little footnote in here,

i dodat ću još jednu fusnotu

because, like, I realized I mentioned

jer sam shvatio da sam spomenuo

some psychological defects earlier, and we also,

ranije neke psihološke defekte, a i imali smo

along the way, had a fair amount of obsessive behavior,

usput dobru količinu opsesivnog ponašanja,

and there was some delusional behavior and things like that,

neracionalnog ponašanja i sličnog,

and here I think we could say that this is an argument

mogli bismo reći da je ovo rasprava

for self-loathing and a kind of schizophrenia,

za samoprijezir i šizofreniju,

at least in the popular use of the term,

barem u popularnom smisli riječi

and I really mean dissociative identity disorder, okay. (Laughter)

i pod time zaista mislim na disocijativni poremećaj ličnosti, u redu? ( Smijeh)

Anyway, despite those perils, I would urge you

Kako bilo, unatoč tim opasnostima, htio bih da

to think about the possibility that you might take on roles

razmislite o mogućnosti da preuzmete druge uloge

in your own work, whether they are neighboring

u svome poslu, bilo da ste blizu

or far-flung from your professional definition.

ili daleko od definicije svoje profesije.

And with that, I thank you very much. (Applause)

I na kraju, zahvaljujem vam. ( Pljesak)

(Applause)

(Pljesak)