The mad scientist of music | Mark Applebaum

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Translator: Joseph Geni Reviewer: Thu-Huong Ha
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譯者: Gina Wang 審譯者: Yuguo Zhang
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I thought if I skipped it might help my nerves,
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我以為如果我跳一跳會比較不緊張
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but I'm actually having a paradoxical reaction to that,
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但我其實有種矛盾的感受
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so that was a bad idea. (Laughter)
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所以那是糟糕的主意 (笑聲)
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Anyway, I was really delighted to receive the invitation
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總之,我真的很開心接到邀請
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to present to you some of my music and some of my work
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來向你們展示一些我身為作曲家的音樂和作品
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as a composer, presumably because it appeals
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我想這是因為
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to my well-known and abundant narcissism. (Laughter)
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這滿足了我知名且嚴重的自戀傾向 (笑聲)
00:40
And I'm not kidding, I just think we should just
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這並不是在開玩笑 我只是覺得我們應該
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say that and move forward. (Laughter)
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先開誠布公再繼續下去 (笑聲)
00:46
So, but the thing is, a dilemma quickly arose,
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但重點是,這產生一種矛盾
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and that is that I'm really bored with music,
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就是我已漸漸對音樂感到無聊
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and I'm really bored with the role of the composer,
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我也對我作曲家的身分感到無趣
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and so I decided to put that idea, boredom,
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所以我決定將「無聊」這個想法
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as the focus of my presentation to you today.
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成為我今天演講的主題
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And I'm going to share my music with you, but I hope
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我將會與你們分享我的音樂
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that I'm going to do so in a way that tells a story,
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但我希望使用說故事的方式
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tells a story about how I used boredom as a catalyst
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告訴你們一個故事 有關我如何使用「無聊」
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for creativity and invention, and how boredom
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來當創意和創造力的催化劑
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actually forced me to change the fundamental question
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和「無聊」如何迫使我改變
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that I was asking in my discipline,
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我在這個領域的基本問題
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and how boredom also, in a sense,
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還有「無聊」如何
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pushed me towards taking on roles beyond the sort of
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促使我讓作曲家這角色
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most traditional, narrow definition of a composer.
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超越傳統、狹隘的定義
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What I'd like to do today is to start with an excerpt
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我今天要以一首
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of a piece of music at the piano.
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短短的鋼琴節錄作品作為開始
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(Music)
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(音樂)
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Okay, I wrote that. (Laughter)
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對,這是我寫的 (笑聲)
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No, it's not — (Applause) Oh, why thank you.
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不,這不是(掌聲) 謝謝
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No, no, I didn't write that.
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不,這不是我寫的
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In fact, that was a piece by Beethoven,
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事實上,這是貝多芬的曲子
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and so I was not functioning as a composer.
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而我並不是擔任作曲家的身分
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Just now I was functioning in the role of the interpreter,
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我只是作為一位詮釋者
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and there I am, interpreter.
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所以我作為一位作品詮釋者
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So, an interpreter of what? Of a piece of music, right?
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詮釋什麼?一首曲子對吧?
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But we can ask the question, "But is it music?"
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但我們可以問:"這是音樂嗎?"
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And I say this rhetorically, because of course
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而我是故意這麼說
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by just about any standard we would have to concede
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因為當然,用任何標準 我們必須勉強承認
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that this is, of course, a piece of music,
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這當然是一首樂曲
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but I put this here now because,
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但是我這麼說是因為
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just to set it in your brains for the moment,
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我想讓你的腦中停留著這個問題
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because we're going to return to this question.
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因為我們晚一點會回到這問題
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It's going to be a kind of a refrain
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這會是這場演講中
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as we go through the presentation.
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我們要不斷檢視的問題
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So here we have this piece of music by Beethoven,
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我們在這聽這首貝多芬的曲子
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and my problem with it is, it's boring.
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而我的問題是,這好無趣
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I mean, you — I'm just like, a hush, huh -- It's like -- (Laughter)
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我的意思是,這就像... (笑聲)
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It's Beethoven, how can you say that?
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這是貝多芬,你怎麼能這麼說呢?
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No, well, I don't know, it's very familiar to me.
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我也不知道,我對這首曲子十分熟悉
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I had to practice it as a kid, and I'm really sick of it. So -- (Laughter)
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我小時候必須練這首曲子,而我真的很厭倦 (笑聲)
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I would, so what I might like to try to do is to change it,
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所以我想試著改變它
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to transform it in some ways, to personalize it,
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讓它個人化
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so I might take the opening, like this idea --
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所以我可能會把開頭
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(Music)
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(音樂)
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and then I might substitute -- (Music)
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改成這樣(音樂)
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and then I might improvise on that melody
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然後隨興發揮這個旋律
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that goes forward from there -- (Music)
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它就會變成這樣(音樂)
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(Music)
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(音樂)
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So that might be the kind of thing -- Why thank you.
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所以基本就是這樣 謝謝
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(Applause)
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(掌聲)
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That would be the kind of thing that I would do,
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就會變成我改編的這樣
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and it's not necessarily better than the Beethoven.
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雖然它不一定比貝多芬好
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In fact, I think it's not better than it. The thing is -- (Laughter) --
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我覺得沒有比貝多芬好,但是 (笑聲)
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it's more interesting to me. It's less boring for me.
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這對我而言比較有趣,不無聊
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I'm really leaning into me, because I, because I have
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我一直強調「我」,因為我必須思考
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to think about what decisions I'm going to make on the fly
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當我的手飛快的彈奏貝多芬的曲目時
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as that Beethoven text is running in time through my head
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我要做什麼決定
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and I'm trying to figure out what kinds of transformations
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我也必須搞清楚
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I'm going to make to it.
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我將要做什麼樣的改變
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So this is an engaging enterprise for me, and
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所以這變成我目前致力的事業
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I've really leaned into that first person pronoun thing there,
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這就是為什麼我必須一直強調「我」 這個第一人稱代名詞
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and now my face appears twice, so I think we can agree
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而我的臉已經出現兩次,所以我們可以同意
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that this is a fundamentally solipsistic enterprise. (Laughter)
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這基本上是個「唯我論」的事業 (笑聲)
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But it's an engaging one, and it's interesting to me
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但這真的是迷人的事情,我也覺得很有趣
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for a while, but then I get bored with it, and by it,
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但過了一陣子,我又覺得無聊了
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I actually mean, the piano, because it becomes,
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無聊的原因是鋼琴
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it's this familiar instrument, it's timbral range is actually
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因為它是種常見的樂器 但它的音域是被限制的
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pretty compressed, at least when you play on the keyboard,
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至少當你彈琴時是這樣
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and if you're not doing things like listening to it
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而如果你不去仔細聽它
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after you've lit it on fire or something like that, you know.
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就像它被點上火之類的
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It gets a little bit boring, and so pretty soon
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它很快地也變得有些無聊
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I go through other instruments, they become familiar,
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我嘗試過其它樂器,也漸漸熟悉它們
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and eventually I find myself designing and constructing
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最終我發現我在設計和打造我自己的樂器
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my own instrument, and I brought one with me today,
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而我今天有帶其中一種來
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and I thought I would play a little bit on it for you
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而我會用它彈奏一小段給你聽
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so you can hear what it sounds like.
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你就知道它聽起來是什麼樣子
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(Music)
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(音樂)
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You gotta have doorstops, that's important. (Laughter)
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你必須要有門擋,這很重要(笑聲)
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I've got combs. They're the only combs that I own. (Music)
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我也有梳子,這是我唯一擁有的梳子 (音樂)
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They're all mounted on my instruments. (Laughter)
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它們全都在我的樂器之中(笑聲)
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(Music)
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(音樂)
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I can actually do all sorts of things. I can play
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我其實可以做很多事情
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with a violin bow. I don't have to use the chopsticks.
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我可以用琴弓演奏 不用筷子
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So we have this sound. (Music)
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所以我們有這樣的聲音(音樂)
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And with a bank of live electronics,
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若再加上一組電子儀器
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I can change the sounds radically. (Music)
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我可以徹底的改變聲音(音樂)
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(Music)
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(音樂)
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Like that, and like this. (Music)
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像這樣,和這樣(音樂)
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And so forth.
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和其他類似這樣的
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So this gives you a little bit of an idea of the sound world
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所以這讓你稍稍了解這個樂器的各種聲音
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of this instrument, which I think is quite interesting
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我覺得蠻有趣的
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and it puts me in the role of the inventor, and the nice thing about —
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這讓我成為一位發明家 很棒的是
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This instrument is called the Mouseketeer ... (Laughter)
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這樂器叫做「鼠劍客」(笑聲)
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and the cool thing about it is
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而很酷的事是
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I'm the world's greatest Mouseketeer player. (Laughter)
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我是世界上「鼠劍客」最棒的演奏家(笑聲)
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Okay? (Applause)
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OK?(掌聲)
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So in that regard, this is one of the things,
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所以講到這,這是其中一件
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this is one of the privileges of being,
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讓我感到榮幸
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and here's another role, the inventor, and by the way,
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讓我成為發明家 順道一提
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when I told you that I'm the world's greatest,
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當我跟你說我是世界上最棒的人
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if you're keeping score, we've had narcissism and solipsism
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如果你還記得,你知道我是很自戀和唯我論的
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and now a healthy dose of egocentricism.
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而現在我還是個自我中心的人
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I know some of you are just, you know, bingo! Or, I don't know. (Laughter)
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我知道你們有些人早就知道了(笑聲)
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Anyway, so this is also a really enjoyable role.
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所以這是我很享受的一個角色
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I should concede also that I'm the world's worst Mouseketeer player,
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我也應該承認我是世界上最差的「鼠劍客」演奏家
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and it was this distinction that I was most worried about
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而這讓我擔憂,我跟我之前的角色
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when I was on that prior side of the tenure divide.
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沒有太大的差別
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I'm glad I'm past that. We're not going to go into that.
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我很高興我已經不再擔憂 我們就不繼續談這件事了
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I'm crying on the inside. There are still scars.
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我的內心仍在哭泣,心中有疤
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Anyway, but I guess my point is that all of these enterprises
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我猜我想說的是 所有這些事業
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are engaging to me in their multiplicity, but as I've presented them
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都讓我對它們有不同的體驗 當我展示給你們看時
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to you today, they're actually solitary enterprises,
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他們的確是很孤獨的事業
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and so pretty soon I want to commune with other people, and so
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而很快的我會想再跟其他人交流
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I'm delighted that in fact I get to compose works for them.
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我會很開心能夠幫別人編曲
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I get to write, sometimes for soloists and I get to work with one person,
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我開始寫曲,有時是幫獨奏家 所以我跟一個人合作
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sometimes full orchestras, and I work with a lot of people,
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有時候是跟整個樂團,會跟很多人合作
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and this is probably the capacity, the role creatively
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而或許這個能力,創意家的角色
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for which I'm probably best known professionally.
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是我最知名的專業
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Now, some of my scores as a composer look like this,
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現在,很多我寫的曲子看起來像這樣
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and others look like this,
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還有其他的像這樣
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and some look like this,
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有些像這樣
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and I make all of these by hand, and it's really tedious.
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我都是用手填寫的,非常枯燥乏味
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It takes a long, long time to make these scores,
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要花很多很多時間來填譜
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and right now I'm working on a piece
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而現在我正在寫一首曲子
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that's 180 pages in length,
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譜總共有180頁
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and it's just a big chunk of my life, and I'm just pulling out hair.
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占了我一大部分的生活,讓我抓頭髮
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I have a lot of it, and that's a good thing I suppose. (Laughter)
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我有很多頭髮,所以我想這是件好事(笑聲)
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So this gets really boring and really tiresome for me,
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這讓我感到很無聊且勞累
07:51
so after a while the process of notating is not only boring,
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所以過了一陣子填譜變得很無聊
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but I actually want the notation to be more interesting,
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但我其實希望這件事變得更有趣
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and so that's pushed me to do other projects like this one.
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所以那促使我著手其他像這樣的計劃
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This is an excerpt from a score called
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這是一段摘錄
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"The Metaphysics of Notation."
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從《填譜的形式學》這首曲子
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The full score is 72 feet wide.
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整首歌有72英呎長
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It's a bunch of crazy pictographic notation.
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全都是用怪異的符號寫成
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Let's zoom in on one section of it right here. You can see
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讓我們放大檢視這個區塊,你可以看到
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it's rather detailed. I do all of this with drafting templates,
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它其實很詳細,我都是用有銳利手柄的模尺
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with straight edges, with French curves, and by freehand,
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和曲線模板,用手畫
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and the 72 feet was actually split
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而72英呎又分為
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into 12 six-foot-wide panels that were installed
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12個6英呎長的嵌板
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around the Cantor Arts Center Museum lobby balcony,
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裝在藝術中心大廳的台廊
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and it appeared for one year in the museum,
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在那待了一年
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and during that year, it was experienced as visual art
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在那一年,大部分的時間,它被展示
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most of the week, except, as you can see in these pictures,
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就像一般視覺藝術那樣,除了,如你所見的
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on Fridays, from noon til one, and only during that time,
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在星期五,中午到1點,只有在那段時間
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various performers came and interpreted these strange
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不同的演奏家來詮釋這些怪異
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and undefined pictographic glyphs. (Laughter)
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無法定義的圖像
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Now this was a really exciting experience for me.
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這對我而言是個值得興奮的經驗
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It was gratifying musically, but I think
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它在音樂上使人滿足,但我想
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the more important thing is it was exciting because I got to take on
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重要的是,我很興奮因為我又有其他的角色
08:56
another role, especially given that it appeared in a museum,
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特別是可以在藝術館展示那種
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and that is as visual artist. (Laughter)
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我是視覺藝術家(笑聲)
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We're going to fill up the whole thing, don't worry. (Laughter)
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我們會慢慢把這整個頁面填滿,別擔心(笑聲)
09:05
I am multitudes. (Laughter)
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我很多才多藝的(笑聲)
09:07
So one of the things is that, I mean, some people
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所以有時候有些人會說
09:10
would say, like, "Oh, you're being a dilettante,"
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"喔,你只是半調子的藝術家"
09:12
and maybe that's true. I can understand how, I mean,
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也許的確如此,我可以了解為什麼
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because I don't have a pedigree in visual art
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因為我並非視覺藝術出身
09:16
and I don't have any training, but it's just something
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我也沒受過任何相關訓練 但這只是種
09:18
that I wanted to do as an extension of my composition,
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我希望我在編曲以外能做的事情
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as an extension of a kind of creative impulse.
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像是某種創意強迫症的延伸
09:24
I can understand the question, though. "But is it music?"
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我可以了解這個問題:"這是音樂嗎?"
09:27
I mean, there's not any traditional notation.
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因為那並不是傳統的樂譜
09:29
I can also understand that sort of implicit criticism
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我也可以了解那些含蓄的批評
09:31
in this piece, "S-tog," which I made when I was living in Copenhagen.
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這是我住在哥本哈根時創作的作品"鐵路"
09:35
I took the Copenhagen subway map and
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我用哥本哈根的地鐵地圖
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I renamed all the stations to abstract musical provocations,
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並將所有的車站重新命名為抽象的音樂術語
09:40
and the players, who are synchronized with stopwatches,
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而演奏家們都帶著同步的碼表
09:43
follow the timetables, which are listed in minutes past the hour.
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照著時刻表,是用幾時幾分顯示的
09:46
So this is a case of actually adapting something,
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這例子就是真的改寫某種東西
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or maybe stealing something,
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或是偷某種東西
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and then turning it into a musical notation.
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然後將它轉化為樂譜
09:53
Another adaptation would be this piece.
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另一個改編是這個作品
09:55
I took the idea of the wristwatch, and I turned it into a musical score.
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我將手錶轉化成樂譜
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I made my own faces, and had a company fabricate them,
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我自己製做錶面,請一間公司組裝
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and the players follow these scores.
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而演奏家照著這個譜
10:04
They follow the second hands, and as they pass over
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他們照著秒針演奏,當秒針經過
10:06
the various symbols, the players respond musically.
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不同的符號,演奏家也跟著做音樂性的回應
10:09
Here's another example from another piece,
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這是另一個作品
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and then its realization.
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而這是成品
10:13
So in these two capacities, I've been scavenger,
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所以在這兩種才能中,我是拾荒者
10:16
in the sense of taking, like, the subway map, right,
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蒐集像是地鐵地圖,沒錯
10:18
or thief maybe, and I've also been designer,
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或也許像小偷,而我也是設計師
10:21
in the case of making the wristwatches.
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像是設計這個手錶
10:23
And once again, this is, for me, interesting.
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我再次說,這對我而言很有趣
10:26
Another role that I like to take on is that of the performance artist.
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我的另一個角色是表演藝術家
10:30
Some of my pieces have these kind of weird theatric elements,
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我有些作品有這些怪異、戲劇化的元素
10:32
and I often perform them. I want to show you a clip
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而我經常演奏它們,我想給你們看一段影片
10:35
from a piece called "Echolalia."
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是一首叫《模仿他人言語》的曲子
10:36
This is actually being performed by Brian McWhorter,
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這是Brian McWhorter所演奏的
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who is an extraordinary performer.
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他是一位很棒的演奏家
10:41
Let's watch a little bit of this, and please notice the instrumentation.
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我們來看一小段,請注意其演奏方式
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(Music)
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(音樂)
11:13
Okay, I hear you were laughing nervously because
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我可以聽見你們不安的笑聲
11:15
you too could hear that the drill was a little bit sharp,
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因為你也聽到電鑽的聲音有些刺耳
11:17
the intonation was a little questionable. (Laughter)
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這首歌的音調似乎出了點問題(笑聲)
11:19
Let's watch just another clip.
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我們再看另一段影片
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(Music)
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(音樂)
11:32
You can see the mayhem continues, and there's, you know,
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你可以看到這破壞行動仍然持續進行
11:34
there were no clarinets and trumpets
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而這裡並沒有豎笛、小喇叭
11:36
and flutes and violins. Here's a piece that has
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長笛和小提琴 而這裡有另一段影片
11:38
an even more unusual, more peculiar instrumentation.
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更不尋常,有更怪異的演奏方式
11:41
This is "Tlön," for three conductors and no players. (Laughter)
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這首是《Tlön》,有3個指揮但沒有演奏家 (笑聲)
11:57
This was based on the experience of actually watching
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這是根據以下的經驗,觀看兩個人
11:59
two people having a virulent argument in sign language,
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正在透過手語進行惡毒的爭吵
12:02
which produced no decibels to speak of,
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完全沒有音量
12:03
but affectively, psychologically, was a very loud experience.
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但卻有影響力、心理層面的「震撼」經驗
12:07
So, yeah, I get it, with, like, the weird appliances
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所以我了解,這些怪異的器具
12:10
and then the total absence of conventional instruments
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沒有任何常見樂器
12:15
and this glut of conductors, people might, you know,
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太多的指揮
12:17
wonder, yeah, "Is this music?"
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你可能會想"這是音樂嗎?"
12:20
But let's move on to a piece where clearly I'm behaving myself,
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但讓我們在聽一首我很「安分」譜寫的曲子
12:24
and that is my "Concerto for Orchestra."
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這是我的《給交響樂團的協奏曲》
12:27
You're going to notice a lot of conventional instruments
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你會看到很多一般常見的樂器
12:29
in this clip. (Music)
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出現在這段影片中(音樂)
12:32
(Music)
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(音樂)
12:45
This, in fact, is not the title of this piece.
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這不是這首曲子的名稱
12:47
I was a bit mischievous. In fact, to make it more interesting,
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我有一點調皮,只想讓它看更有趣
12:50
I put a space right in here, and this is the actual title of the piece.
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我在這裡拿掉一個字,這才是真正的曲名 《給花店老闆和交響樂團的協奏曲》
12:54
Let's continue with that same excerpt.
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我們再繼續聽這首 《給花店老闆和交響樂團的協奏曲》
12:56
(Music)
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(音樂) 《給花店老闆和交響樂團的協奏曲》
13:06
It's better with a florist, right? (Laughter) (Music)
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我做花店老闆肯定不錯,對吧?(笑聲) (音樂)
13:15
Or at least it's less boring. Let's watch a couple more clips.
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或至少沒有這麼無聊 我們再多看幾個影片
13:17
(Music)
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(音樂)
13:31
So with all these theatric elements, this pushes me in another role,
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所以這些有戲劇性的元素 讓我又進入另一個角色
13:34
and that would be, possibly, the dramaturge.
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那就是戲劇家
13:37
I was playing nice. I had to write the orchestra bits, right?
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我很安分吧?因為我必須為樂團譜曲
13:41
Okay? But then there was this other stuff, right?
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但這裡又有這個花店老闆
13:44
There was the florist, and I can understand that,
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所以我可以理解
13:45
once again, we're putting pressure on the ontology of music
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我們再度挑戰音樂的本質
13:49
as we know it conventionally,
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不是像我們一般熟悉的那樣
13:51
but let's look at one last piece today I'm going to share with you.
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這是我今天要與你們分享的最後一首歌
13:56
This is going to be a piece called "Aphasia,"
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它叫《失語症》
13:58
and it's for hand gestures synchronized to sound,
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它讓手勢跟聲響同步
14:02
and this invites yet another role, and final one
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而這又賦予我另一個角色,是最後一個
14:05
I'll share with you, which is that of the choreographer.
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那就是編舞家
14:07
And the score for the piece looks like this,
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這首歌的譜看起來是這樣
14:10
and it instructs me, the performer, to make
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它指導我這個表演者
14:14
various hand gestures at very specific times
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在特定的時間做不同的手勢
14:17
synchronized with an audio tape, and that audio tape
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並與錄音帶同步,而那錄音帶
14:19
is made up exclusively of vocal samples.
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是只用語音樣本所製成的
14:22
I recorded an awesome singer,
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我錄下一位很棒的歌手的聲音
14:24
and I took the sound of his voice in my computer,
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而我將他的聲音放到電腦
14:27
and I warped it in countless ways to come up with
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並用各種方式扭曲這個聲音
14:29
the soundtrack that you're about to hear.
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做成你現在要聽到的這首歌
14:32
And I'll perform just an excerpt of "Aphasia" for you here. Okay?
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而我將表演《失語症》的其中一段給你看
14:37
(Music)
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(音樂)
15:15
So that gives you a little taste of that piece. (Applause)
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所以你們大概知道這首歌的樣子 (掌聲)
15:21
Yeah, okay, that's kind of weird stuff.
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這首歌的確很奇怪
15:24
Is it music? Here's how I want to conclude.
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它是音樂嗎?我將這麼結論
15:26
I've decided, ultimately, that this is the wrong question,
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我最終決定,這問題是錯誤的
15:29
that this is not the important question.
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因為這問題並不重要
15:31
The important question is, "Is it interesting?"
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重要的是:"它有趣嗎?"
15:33
And I follow this question, not worrying about "Is it music?" --
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而我接續這個問題 不再擔憂「是不是音樂」這件事
15:36
not worrying about the definition of the thing that I'm making.
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也不擔憂到底該如何定義我的作品
15:39
I allow my creativity to push me
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我讓我的創意引領我
15:41
in directions that are simply interesting to me,
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走向我感興趣的方向
15:43
and I don't worry about the likeness of the result
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我並不擔心結果如何
15:46
to some notion, some paradigm,
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是不是合乎一些講述樂曲應該如何構成 的見解和先例
15:48
of what music composition is supposed to be,
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是不是合乎一些講述樂曲應該如何構成 的見解和先例
15:51
and that has actually urged me, in a sense,
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這某種程度促使我
15:54
to take on a whole bunch of different roles,
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身兼許多角色
15:56
and so what I want you to think about is,
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所以我希望你們思考的是
15:58
to what extent might you change the fundamental question
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對於你領域的基本準則 你會做何種程度的改變
16:01
in your discipline, and, okay,
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對於你領域的基本準則 你會做何種程度的改變
16:04
I'm going to put one extra little footnote in here,
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我要再註明一小件事
16:06
because, like, I realized I mentioned
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因為,像我之前提到
16:08
some psychological defects earlier, and we also,
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我有些心理上的缺點
16:11
along the way, had a fair amount of obsessive behavior,
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而我們在某些事情上都有不少的偏執行為
16:14
and there was some delusional behavior and things like that,
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就像某些人有妄想的行為
16:16
and here I think we could say that this is an argument
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我認為我們可以這麼論定
16:19
for self-loathing and a kind of schizophrenia,
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是自我厭惡 或用比較常見的說法
16:21
at least in the popular use of the term,
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是精神分裂症
16:23
and I really mean dissociative identity disorder, okay. (Laughter)
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而我其實覺得這是自我認同分裂失調(笑聲)
16:26
Anyway, despite those perils, I would urge you
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但除此之外,我鼓勵你
16:29
to think about the possibility that you might take on roles
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思考你可以扮演其他角色的可能性
16:31
in your own work, whether they are neighboring
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在你的職場專業中,不管有關
16:33
or far-flung from your professional definition.
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或是完全不相關
16:36
And with that, I thank you very much. (Applause)
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非常感謝(掌聲)
16:38
(Applause)
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(掌聲)
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