How one tweet can ruin your life | Jon Ronson

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ืื ื ืœื—ืฅ ืคืขืžื™ื™ื ืขืœ ื”ื›ืชื•ื‘ื™ื•ืช ื‘ืื ื’ืœื™ืช ืœืžื˜ื” ื›ื“ื™ ืœื”ืคืขื™ืœ ืืช ื”ืกืจื˜ื•ืŸ.

ืžืชืจื’ื: Zeeva Livshitz ืžื‘ืงืจ: hila scherba
00:12
In the early days of Twitter, it was like a place of radical de-shaming.
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ื‘ื™ืžื™ื• ื”ืจืืฉื•ื ื™ื ืฉืœ ื”ื˜ื•ื•ื™ื˜ืจ ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืžืงื•ื ืฉืœ ื“ื”-ืฉื™ื™ืžื™ื ื’ ืงื™ืฆื•ื ื™.
00:17
People would admit shameful secrets about themselves,
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ืื ืฉื™ื ื”ื™ื• ืžืชื•ื•ื“ื™ื ืขืœ ืกื•ื“ื•ืช ืžื‘ื™ืฉื™ื ืื•ื“ื•ืช ืขืฆืžื,
00:20
and other people would say, "Oh my God, I'm exactly the same."
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ื•ืื ืฉื™ื ืื—ืจื™ื ื”ื™ื• ืื•ืžืจื™ื "ื”ื• ืืœื•ื”ื™ื, ืื ื™ ื‘ื“ื™ื•ืง ืื•ืชื• ื“ื‘ืจ."
00:24
Voiceless people realized that they had a voice,
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ืื ืฉื™ื ื—ืกืจื™ ืงื•ืœ ื”ื‘ื™ื ื• ืฉื”ื™ื” ืœื”ื ืงื•ืœ,
00:27
and it was powerful and eloquent.
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ื•ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ื—ื–ืง ื•ืจื”ื•ื˜.
00:30
If a newspaper ran some racist or homophobic column,
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ืื ืขื™ืชื•ืŸ ืคืจืกื ื˜ื•ืจ ื’ื–ืขื ื™ ืื• ื”ื•ืžื•ืคื•ื‘ื™ ื›ืœืฉื”ื•,
00:35
we realized we could do something about it.
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ื”ื‘ื ื• ืฉืื ื—ื ื• ืื ื—ื ื• ื™ื›ื•ืœื™ื ืœืขืฉื•ืช ืžืฉื”ื• ื‘ืงืฉืจ ืœื–ื”.
00:37
We could get them.
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ื™ื›ื•ืœื ื• ืœื”ื’ื™ืข ืืœื™ื”ื.
00:39
We could hit them with a weapon that we understood but they didn't --
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ื™ื›ื•ืœื ื• ืœื”ื›ื•ืช ืื•ืชื ื‘ื ืฉืง ืฉืื ื• ื”ื‘ื ื• ืื‘ืœ ื”ื ืœื --
00:42
a social media shaming.
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ืฉื™ื™ืžื™ื ื’ ื—ื‘ืจืชื™ ื‘ืžื“ื™ื”
00:45
Advertisers would withdraw their advertising.
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ืžืคืจืกืžื™ื ื™ื™ืกื•ื’ื• ืžื”ืคืจืกื•ื ืฉืœื”ื.
00:48
When powerful people misused their privilege,
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ื›ืืฉืจ ืื ืฉื™ื ืขื•ืฆืžืชื™ื™ื ื”ืฉืชืžืฉื• ืœืจืขื” ื‘ื–ื›ื•ื™ื•ืชื™ื”ื,
00:51
we were going to get them.
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ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ืžื’ื™ืขื™ื ืืœื™ื”ื.
00:54
This was like the democratization of justice.
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ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื›ืžื• ื“ืžื•ืงืจื˜ื™ื–ืฆื™ื” ืฉืœ ืฆื“ืง.
00:57
Hierarchies were being leveled out.
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ื”ื™ืจืจื›ื™ื•ืช ื”ื™ื• ืžืชืื–ื ื•ืช.
00:59
We were going to do things better.
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ื”ืœื›ื ื• ืœืขืฉื•ืช ืืช ื”ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ื˜ื•ื‘ ื™ื•ืชืจ
01:02
Soon after that, a disgraced pop science writer called Jonah Lehrer --
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ื–ืžืŸ ืงืฆืจ ืœืื—ืจ ืžื›ืŸ, ืกื•ืคืจ ืžื“ืข ืคื•ืคื•ืœืจื™ ืฉื‘ื•ื™ื™ืฉ, ื‘ืฉื ื’'ื•ื ื” ืœืจืจ --
01:06
he'd been caught plagiarizing and faking quotes,
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ื ืชืคืก ื‘ื’ื ื‘ื” ืกืคืจื•ืชื™ืช ืฉืœ ืฆื™ื˜ื•ื˜ื™ื,
01:10
and he was drenched in shame and regret, he told me.
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ื•ื”ื•ื ืืžืจ ืœื™ ืฉื”ื•ื ื ืžืœื ื‘ื•ืฉื” ื•ื—ืจื˜ื”.
01:13
And he had the opportunity
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ื•ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืœื• ื”ื–ื“ืžื ื•ืช
01:15
to publicly apologize at a foundation lunch.
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ืœื”ืชื ืฆืœ ื‘ืคื•ืžื‘ื™, ื‘ืืจื•ื—ืช ืฆื”ืจื™ื™ื ืฉืœ ืงืจืŸ ื›ืœืฉื”ื™.
01:19
This was going to be the most important speech of his life.
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ื–ื” ืขืžื“ ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ื”ื ืื•ื ื”ื›ื™ ื—ืฉื•ื‘ ื‘ื—ื™ื™ื•.
01:22
Maybe it would win him some salvation.
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ืื•ืœื™ ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืžื–ื›ื” ืื•ืชื• ื‘ื™ืฉื•ืขื” ื›ืœืฉื”ื™.
01:25
He knew before he arrived
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ื”ื•ื ื™ื“ืข ืœืคื ื™ ืฉื”ื’ื™ืข
01:26
that the foundation was going to be live-streaming his event,
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ืฉืื™ืจื•ืข ื”ืงืจืŸ ื™ืฉื•ื“ืจ ื‘ืฉื™ื“ื•ืจ ื—ื™,
01:29
but what he didn't know until he turned up,
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ืื‘ืœ ืžื” ืฉื”ื•ื ืœื ื™ื“ืข ืขื“ ืฉื”ื•ื ื”ื’ื™ืข,
01:31
was that they'd erected a giant screen Twitter feed right next to his head.
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ื–ื” ืฉื”ื ื”ืชืงื™ื ื• ืžืกืš ื˜ื•ื•ื™ื˜ืจ ืขื ืง ืžืžืฉ ืœื™ื“ ืจืืฉื•
01:36
(Laughter)
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(ืฆื—ื•ืง)
01:38
Another one in a monitor screen in his eye line.
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ืขื•ื“ ืฆื’ ืื—ื“ ื‘ืงื• ื”ืขื™ืŸ ืฉืœื•.
01:40
I don't think the foundation did this because they were monstrous.
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ืื ื™ ืœื ื—ื•ืฉื‘ ืฉื”ืงืจืŸ ืขืฉืชื” ืืช ื–ื” ื›ื™ ื”ื ื”ื™ื• ืžืคืœืฆื•ืช.
01:44
I think they were clueless: I think this was a unique moment
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ืื ื™ ื—ื•ืฉื‘ ืฉืœื ื”ื™ื” ืœื”ื ืžื•ืฉื’ ืื ื™ ื—ื•ืฉื‘ ืฉื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืจื’ืข ื™ื™ื—ื•ื“ื™
01:47
when the beautiful naivety of Twitter
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ืฉื‘ื• ื”ืชืžื™ืžื•ืช ื”ื™ืคื” ืฉืœ ื˜ื•ื•ื™ื˜ืจ
01:49
was hitting the increasingly horrific reality.
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ืคื’ืขื” ื‘ืžืฆื™ืื•ืช ื”ืžื—ืจื™ื“ื” ื”ื”ื•ืœื›ืช ื•ื’ื•ื‘ืจืช.
01:53
And here were some of the Tweets that were cascading into his eye line,
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ื•ื›ืืŸ ื”ื™ื• ื—ืœืง ืžื”ืฆื™ื•ืฆื™ื ืฉื”ื•ืคื™ืขื• ืžื•ืœ ืขื™ื ื•
01:57
as he was trying to apologize:
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ื‘ืขื•ื“ ื”ื•ื ืžื ืกื” ืœื”ืชื ืฆืœ:
01:58
"Jonah Lehrer, boring us into forgiving him."
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"ื’'ื•ื ื” ืœืจืจ, ืžืฉืขืžื ืื•ืชื ื• ื›ื“ื™ ืฉื ืกืœื— ืœื•."
02:02
(Laughter)
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(ืฆื—ื•ืง)
02:03
And, "Jonah Lehrer has not proven that he is capable of feeling shame."
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ื•"ื’'ื•ื ื” ืœืจืจ ืœื ื”ื•ื›ื™ื— ืฉื”ื•ื ืžืกื•ื’ืœ ืœื—ื•ืฉ ื‘ื•ืฉื”."
02:08
That one must have been written by the best psychiatrist ever,
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ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืฆืจื™ืš ืœื”ื™ื›ืชื‘ ืขืœ ื™ื“ื™ ื”ืคืกื™ื›ื™ืื˜ืจ ื”ื˜ื•ื‘ ื‘ื™ื•ืชืจ ืžืื– ื•ืžืขื•ืœื,
02:12
to know that about such a tiny figure behind a lectern.
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ื›ื“ื™ ืœื“ืขืช ื–ืืช ืื•ื“ื•ืช ื“ืžื•ืช ื–ืขื™ืจื” ืžืื—ื•ืจื™ ื“ื•ื›ืŸ.
02:16
And, "Jonah Lehrer is just a frigging sociopath."
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ื•"ื’'ื•ื ื” ืœืจืจ ื”ื•ื ืจืง ืกื•ืฆื™ื•ืคืช ื“ืคื•ืง."
02:19
That last word is a very human thing to do, to dehumanize the people we hurt.
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ืžื™ืœื” ื–ื• ืื™ื ื” ื“ื‘ืจ ืžืื•ื“ ืื ื•ืฉื™, ืœืขืฉื•ืช ื“ื”-ื”ื•ืžื ื™ื–ืฆื™ื” ืœืื ืฉื™ื ืฉืื ื• ืคื•ื’ืขื™ื ื‘ื”ื.
02:25
It's because we want to destroy people but not feel bad about it.
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ื–ื” ื›ื™ ืื ื—ื ื• ืจื•ืฆื™ื ืœื”ืจื•ืก ืื ืฉื™ื ืื‘ืœ ืœื ืœื”ืจื’ื™ืฉ ืจืข ืขื ื–ื”.
02:30
Imagine if this was an actual court,
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ืชืืจื• ืœืขืฆืžื›ื ืื ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื‘ื™ืช ืžืฉืคื˜ ื‘ืคื•ืขืœ,
02:32
and the accused was in the dark, begging for another chance,
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ื•ื”ื ืืฉื ื”ื™ื” ืžืฆื•ื™ ื‘ืืคืœื”, ืžืชื—ื ืŸ ืœื”ื–ื“ืžื ื•ืช ื ื•ืกืคืช
02:35
and the jury was yelling out,
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ื•ื”ืžื•ืฉื‘ืขื™ื ื”ื™ื• ืฆื•ืจื—ื™ื,
02:37
"Bored! Sociopath!"
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"ืžืฉืขืžื! ืกื•ืฆื™ื•ืคืช!"
02:40
(Laughter)
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(ืฆื—ื•ืง)
02:41
You know, when we watch courtroom dramas, we tend to identify
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ืืช ื™ื•ื“ืขื™ื, ื›ืฉืื ื• ืฆื•ืคื™ื ื‘ื“ืจืžื•ืช ื‘ื™ืช ืžืฉืคื˜, ืื ื• ื ื•ื˜ื™ื ืœื”ื–ื“ื”ื•ืช
02:44
with the kindhearted defense attorney,
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ืขื ื”ืกื ื’ื•ืจ ื˜ื•ื‘ ื”ืœื‘,
02:47
but give us the power, and we become like hanging judges.
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ืื‘ืœ ืชื ื• ืœื ื• ืืช ื”ื›ื•ื—, ื•ืื ื—ื ื• ื”ื•ืคื›ื™ื ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ืฉื•ืคื˜ื™ื ืชืœื™ื™ื ื™ื.
02:51
Power shifts fast.
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ื›ื•ื— ื–ื– ืžื”ืจ.
02:54
We were getting Jonah because he was perceived to have misused his privilege,
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ื”ื’ืขื ื• ืœื’'ื•ื ื” ื›ื™ ื”ื•ื ื ืชืคืก ื›ืžื™ ืฉืขืฉื” ืฉื™ืžื•ืฉ ืœืจืขื” ื‘ื–ื›ื•ื™ื•ืช ื”ื™ืชืจ ืฉืœื•,
02:58
but Jonah was on the floor then, and we were still kicking,
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ืื‘ืœ ื’'ื•ื ื” ื”ื™ื” ืขืœ ื”ืงืจืฉื™ื ืื–, ื•ืื ื• ืขื“ื™ื™ืŸ ื™ื›ื•ืœื ื• ืœื‘ืขื•ื˜,
03:02
and congratulating ourselves for punching up.
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ื•ืœื‘ืจืš ืืช ืขืฆืžื ื• ืขืœ ื™ื›ื•ืœืช ื”ื”ื›ืื” ืฉืœื ื•.
03:05
And it began to feel weird and empty when there wasn't a powerful person
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ื•ื–ื” ื”ืชื—ื™ืœ ืœื”ืจื’ื™ืฉ ืžื•ื–ืจ ื•ืจื™ืง ื›ืฉืœื ื”ื™ื” ืื“ื ื—ื–ืง
03:09
who had misused their privilege that we could get.
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ืฉืขืฉื” ืฉื™ืžื•ืฉ ืœืจืขื” ื‘ื–ื›ื•ื™ื•ืช ื”ื™ืชืจ ืฉืœื•, ืฉื™ื›ื•ืœื ื• ืœื”ื’ื™ืข ืืœื™ื•.
03:13
A day without a shaming began to feel like a day
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ื™ื•ื ืœืœื ืฉื™ื™ืžื™ื ื’ ื”ืชื—ื™ืœ ืœื”ืจื’ื™ืฉ ื›ืžื•
03:16
picking fingernails and treading water.
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ื™ื•ื ืฉืœ ื›ืกื™ืกืช ืฆื™ืคื•ืจื ื™ื™ื ื•ื“ืฉื“ื•ืฉ ื‘ืžืงื•ื.
03:21
Let me tell you a story.
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ืชื ื• ืœื™ ืœืกืคืจ ืœื›ื ืกื™ืคื•ืจ.
03:23
It's about a woman called Justine Sacco.
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ื–ื” ืขืœ ืื™ืฉื” ื‘ืฉื ื’'ืกื˜ื™ืŸ ืกืืงื•.
03:26
She was a PR woman from New York with 170 Twitter followers,
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ื”ื™ื ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืืฉืช ื™ื—ืกื™ ืฆื™ื‘ื•ืจ ืžื ื™ื•-ื™ื•ืจืง ืขื 170 ืขื•ืงื‘ื™ื ื‘ื˜ื•ื•ื™ื˜ืจ,
03:30
and she'd Tweet little acerbic jokes to them,
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ื•ื”ื™ื ืฆื™ื™ืฆื” ืœื”ื ื‘ื“ื™ื—ื•ืช ืกืจืงืกื˜ื™ื•ืช ืงื˜ื ื•ืช
03:33
like this one on a plane from New York to London:
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ื›ืžื• ื–ืืช ื‘ืžื˜ื•ืก ืžื ื™ื• ื™ื•ืจืง ืœืœื•ื ื“ื•ืŸ:
03:37
[Weird German Dude: You're in first class. It's 2014. Get some deodorant."
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[ื‘ืจื ืฉ ื’ืจืžื ื™ : ืืชื” ื‘ืžื—ืœืงื” ืจืืฉื•ื ื”. ืื ื—ื ื• ื‘-2014, ืฉื™ื ืงืฆืช ื“ื™ืื•ื“ื•ืจื ื˜."
03:40
-Inner monologue as inhale BO. Thank god for pharmaceuticals.]
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-ืžื•ื ื•ืœื•ื’ ืคื ื™ืžื™ ืชื•ืš ื ืฉื™ืžืช ืจื™ื— ื’ื•ืฃ. ืชื•ื“ื” ืœืืœ ืขืœ ื”ืคืจืžืฆื‘ื˜ื™ืงื”.]
03:44
So Justine chuckled to herself, and pressed send, and got no replies,
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ืื– ื’'ืกื˜ื™ืŸ ืฆื—ืงืงื” ืœืขืฆืžื”, ื•ืœื—ืฆื” ืฉืœื—, ื•ืœื ืงื™ื‘ืœื” ืชื’ื•ื‘ื•ืช,
03:47
and felt that sad feeling that we all feel
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ื•ื—ืฉื” ืชื—ื•ืฉื” ืขืฆื•ื‘ื” ื–ื• ืฉื›ื•ืœื ื• ืžืจื’ื™ืฉื™ื
03:49
when the Internet doesn't congratulate us for being funny.
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ื›ืฉื”ืื™ื ื˜ืจื ื˜ ืœื ืžื‘ืจืš ืื•ืชื ื• ื‘ืฉืœ ื”ื™ื•ืชื ื• ืžืฆื—ื™ืงื™ื.
03:53
(Laughter)
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(ืฆื—ื•ืง)
03:54
Black silence when the Internet doesn't talk back.
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ื“ืžืžื” ืืคืœื” ื›ืฉื”ืื™ื ื˜ืจื ื˜ ืœื ืžื“ื‘ืจ ื—ื–ืจื”.
03:58
And then she got to Heathrow, and she had a little time to spare
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ื•ืื– ื”ื™ื ื”ื’ื™ืขื” ืœื”ื™ืช'ืจื•, ื•ื”ื™ื” ืœื” ืงืฆืช ื–ืžืŸ ืคื ื•ื™
04:01
before her final leg, so she thought up another funny little acerbic joke:
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ืœืคื ื™ ืงื˜ืข ื”ื˜ื™ืกื” ื”ืื—ืจื•ืŸ ืฉืœื”, ืขืœืชื” ืœื” ืขื•ื“ ื‘ื“ื™ื—ื” ืกืจืงืกื˜ื™ืช ืงื˜ื ื” ืžืฆื—ื™ืงื”:
04:06
[Going to Africa. Hope I don't get AIDS. Just kidding. I'm white!]
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[ื ื•ืกืขืช ืœืืคืจื™ืงื”. ืžืงื•ื•ื” ืฉืœื ืื—ื˜ื•ืฃ ืื™ื™ื“ืก. ืกืชืืื. ืื ื™ ืœื‘ื ื”!]
04:10
And she chuckled to herself, pressed send, got on the plane, got no replies,
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ื•ื”ื™ื ืฆื—ืงืงื” ืœืขืฆืžื”, ืœื—ืฆื” ืฉืœื—, ืขืœืชื” ืขืœ ื”ืžื˜ื•ืก, ืœื ืงื™ื‘ืœื” ืชื’ื•ื‘ื•ืช,
04:16
turned off her phone, fell asleep,
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ื›ื™ื‘ืชื” ืืช ื”ื˜ืœืคื•ืŸ ืฉืœื” ื•ื ืจื“ืžื”,
04:19
woke up 11 hours later,
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ื”ืชืขื•ืจืจื” ื›ืขื‘ื•ืจ 11 ืฉืขื•ืช,
04:21
turned on her phone while the plane was taxiing on the runway,
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ืคืชื—ื” ืืช ื”ื˜ืœืคื•ืŸ ืฉืœื” ื‘ื–ืžืŸ ืฉื”ืžื˜ื•ืก ื ืกืข ืขืœ ื”ืžืกืœื•ืœ,
04:24
and straightaway there was a message from somebody
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ื•ืžื™ื“ ื”ื•ืคื™ืขื” ื”ื•ื“ืขื” ืžืžื™ืฉื”ื•
04:27
that she hadn't spoken to since high school,
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ืฉื”ื™ื ืœื ื“ื™ื‘ืจื” ืื™ืชื• ืžืื– ื”ืชื™ื›ื•ืŸ,
04:29
that said, "I am so sorry to see what's happening to you."
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ืฉืืžืจื”, "ืื ื™ ื›ืœ ื›ืš ืžืฆื˜ืขืจ ืœืจืื•ืช ืžื” ืงื•ืจื” ืœืš."
04:35
And then another message from a best friend,
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ื•ืœืื—ืจ ืžื›ืŸ ื”ื•ื“ืขื” ื ื•ืกืคืช ืžื—ื‘ืจ ื”ื›ื™ ื˜ื•ื‘,
04:37
"You need to call me right now.
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"ืชืชืงืฉืจื™ ืืœื™ ืžื™ื“.
04:39
You are the worldwide number one trending topic on Twitter."
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ืืช ื ื•ืฉื ืœื•ื”ื˜ ืžืก. 1 ื‘ื˜ื•ื•ื™ื˜ืจ."
04:43
(Laughter)
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(ืฆื—ื•ืง)
04:46
What had happened is that one of her 170 followers had sent the Tweet
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ืžื” ืฉืงืจื” ื–ื” ืฉืื—ื“ ืž- 170 ื”ืขื•ืงื‘ื™ื ืฉืœื” ืฉืœื— ืืช ื”ืฆื™ื•ืฅ
04:49
to a Gawker journalist, and he retweeted it to his 15,000 followers:
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ืœืขื™ืชื•ื ืื™ ืฉืœ ื’ืื•ืงืจ, ื•ื”ื•ื ืฆื™ื™ืฅ ืื•ืชื• ืœ-15000 ื”ืขื•ืงื‘ื™ื ืฉืœื•:
04:55
[And now, a funny holiday joke from IAC's PR boss]
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[ื•ื›ืขืช ื‘ื“ื™ื—ืช ื—ื’ ืžืฆื—ื™ืงื” ืžืžื ื”ืœ ื™ื—ืกื™ ื”ืฆื™ื‘ื•ืจ ืฉืœ IAC]
04:57
And then it was like a bolt of lightning.
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ื•ืื– ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื›ืžื• ืžื›ืช ื‘ืจืง.
04:59
A few weeks later, I talked to the Gawker journalist.
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ื›ืžื” ืฉื‘ื•ืขื•ืช ืœืื—ืจ ืžื›ืŸ, ื“ื™ื‘ืจืชื™ ืขื ืขื™ืชื•ื ืื™ ื’ืื•ืงืจ.
05:02
I emailed him and asked him how it felt, and he said, "It felt delicious."
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ืฉืืœืชื™ ืื•ืชื• ื‘ืžื™ื™ืœ ืื™ืš ื–ื” ื”ืจื’ื™ืฉ, ื•ื”ื•ื ืืžืจ, "ื–ื” ื”ืจื’ื™ืฉ ืžื”ื ื” ืžืื“."
05:06
And then he said, "But I'm sure she's fine."
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ื•ืื– ื”ื•ื ืืžืจ, "ืื‘ืœ ืื ื™ ื‘ื˜ื•ื— ืฉื”ื™ื ื‘ืกื“ืจ."
05:09
But she wasn't fine, because while she slept,
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ืื‘ืœ ื”ื™ื ืœื ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื‘ืกื“ืจ, ื›ื™ ื‘ื–ืžืŸ ืฉื”ื™ื ื™ืฉื ื”,
05:12
Twitter took control of her life and dismantled it piece by piece.
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ื˜ื•ื•ื™ื˜ืจ ืœืงื— ืฉืœื™ื˜ื” ืขืœ ื”ื—ื™ื™ื ืฉืœื” ื•ืคืจืง ืื•ืชื ืœื—ืชื™ื›ื•ืช.
05:19
First there were the philanthropists:
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ืจืืฉื™ืช ื”ื™ื• ื”ืคื™ืœื ื˜ืจื•ืคื™ื:
05:21
[If @JustineSacco's unfortunate words ... bother you,
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ืื ืžื™ืœื•ืชื™ื” ื”ืื•ืžืœืœื•ืช ืฉืœ JustineSacco@ ืžืคืจื™ืขื•ืช ืœื›ื,
05:24
join me in supporting @CARE's work in Africa.]
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ื”ืฆื˜ืจืคื• ืืœื™ ืœืชื•ืžื›ื™ื ื‘ืืคืจื™ืงื” ื‘- CARE@]
05:26
[In light of ... disgusting, racist tweet, I'm donating to @care today]
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ืœืื•ืจ ื”ืฆื™ื•ืฅ ื”ืžื’ืขื™ืœ ืื ื™ ืชื•ืจื/ืช ืœ-care@ ื”ื™ื•ื]
05:30
Then came the beyond horrified:
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ื•ืื– ื”ื’ื™ืข ื”ืžืขื‘ืจ ืœืžื–ื•ืขื–ืข :
05:31
[... no words for that horribly disgusting racist as fuck tweet from Justine Sacco.
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[... ืื™ืŸ ืžื™ืœื™ื ืœืชืืจ ืืช ื”ืฆื™ื•ืฅ ื”ื“ืคื•ืง, ื”ืžื’ืขื™ืœ ืœื”ื—ืจื™ื“ ื•ื”ื’ื–ืขื ื™ ืžื’'ืกื˜ื™ืŸ ืกืืงื•.
05:35
I am beyond horrified.]
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ืื ื™ ืžืขื‘ืจ ืœืžื–ื•ืขื–ืข.]
05:36
Was anybody on Twitter that night? A few of you.
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ืžื™ืฉื”ื• ื”ื™ื” ื‘ื˜ื•ื•ื™ื˜ืจ ื‘ืื•ืชื• ื”ืœื™ืœื”? ืื—ื“ื™ื ืžื›ื.
05:39
Did Justine's joke overwhelm your Twitter feed the way it did mine?
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ื”ืื ื”ื‘ื“ื™ื—ื” ืฉืœ ื’'ืกื˜ื™ืŸ ื”ืฆื™ืคื” ืืช ืขืžื•ื“ ืขื™ื“ื›ื•ื ื™ ื”ื˜ื•ื•ื™ื˜ืจ ืฉืœื›ื ื›ืžื• ืืช ืฉืœื™?
05:42
It did mine, and I thought what everybody thought that night,
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ืืฆืœื™ ื–ื” ื”ื™ื”, ื•ื—ืฉื‘ืชื™ ืžื” ืฉื›ื•ืœื ื—ืฉื‘ื• ื‘ืื•ืชื• ืœื™ืœื”,
05:45
which was, "Wow, somebody's screwed!
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ืฉื”ื™ื” "ื•ื•ืื• ืžื™ืฉื”ื• ื ื“ืคืง!
05:48
Somebody's life is about to get terrible!"
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ื”ื—ื™ื™ื ืฉืœ ืžื™ืฉื”ื• ื”ื•ืœื›ื™ื ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ื ื•ืจืื™ื!"
05:50
And I sat up in my bed,
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ื•ื”ืชื™ื™ืฉื‘ืชื™ ื‘ืžื™ื˜ืชื™.
05:52
and I put the pillow behind my head,
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ื•ืฉืžืชื™ ืืช ื”ื›ืจื™ืช ืžืื—ื•ืจื™ ื”ืจืืฉ ืฉืœื™,
05:55
and then I thought, I'm not entirely sure that joke was intended to be racist.
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ื•ืื– ื—ืฉื‘ืชื™, ืื ื™ ืœื ืžืžืฉ ื‘ื˜ื•ื— ืฉื”ื‘ื“ื™ื—ื” ื”ื”ื™ื ื”ืชื›ื•ื•ื ื” ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ื’ื–ืขื ื™ืช.
06:00
Maybe instead of gleefully flaunting her privilege,
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ืื•ืœื™ ื‘ืžืงื•ื ืœื ื•ืคืฃ ื‘ืขืœื™ืฆื•ืช ื‘ืคืจื™ื‘ื™ืœื’ื™ื” ืฉืœื”,
06:03
she was mocking the gleeful flaunting of privilege.
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ื”ื™ื ืœื•ืขื’ืช ืœื ืคื ื•ืฃ ื”ืฆื•ื”ืœ ื‘ืคืจื™ื‘ื™ืœื’ื™ื” ืฉืœื”.
06:05
There's a comedy tradition of this,
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ื™ืฉ ืžืกื•ืจืช ืงื•ืžื™ืช ืฉืœ ื–ื”,
06:07
like South Park or Colbert or Randy Newman.
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ื›ืžื• ืกืื•ืช'ืคืจืง ืื• ืงื•ืœื‘ืจ ืื• ืจื ื“ื™ ื ื™ื•ืžืŸ.
06:11
Maybe Justine Sacco's crime was not being as good at it as Randy Newman.
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ืื•ืœื™ ื”ืคืฉืข ืฉืœ ื’'ืกื˜ื™ืŸ ืกืืงื• ืœื ื”ื™ื” ื˜ื•ื‘ ื›ืžื• ื–ื” ืฉืœ ืจื ื“ื™ ื ื™ื•ืžืŸ.
06:16
In fact, when I met Justine a couple of weeks later in a bar,
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ืœืžืขืฉื”, ื›ืฉืคื’ืฉืชื™ ืืช ื’'ืกื˜ื™ืŸ ื‘ื‘ืจ ื›ืžื” ืฉื‘ื•ืขื•ืช ืžืื•ื—ืจ ื™ื•ืชืจ,
06:19
she was just crushed,
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ื”ื™ื ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืžืจื•ืกืงืช
06:21
and I asked her to explain the joke,
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ื•ื‘ื™ืงืฉืชื™ ืžืžื ื” ืœื”ืกื‘ื™ืจ ืืช ื”ื‘ื“ื™ื—ื”,
06:23
and she said, "Living in America puts us in a bit of a bubble
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ื•ื”ื™ื ืืžืจื”, "ื”ื—ื™ื™ื ื‘ืืžืจื™ืงื” ืžื›ื ื™ืกื™ื ืื•ืชื ื• ืงืฆืช ืœื‘ื•ืขื”
06:27
when it comes to what is going on in the Third World.
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ื›ืฉื–ื” ืžื’ื™ืข ืœืžื” ืฉืงื•ืจื” ื‘ืขื•ืœื ื”ืฉืœื™ืฉื™.
06:29
I was making of fun of that bubble."
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ืขืฉื™ืชื™ ืฆื—ื•ืง ืžืื•ืชื” ื‘ื•ืขื”."
06:32
You know, another woman on Twitter that night, a New Statesman writer Helen Lewis,
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ืืฉื” ืื—ืจืช ื‘ื˜ื•ื•ื™ื˜ืจ ื‘ืื•ืชื• ืœื™ืœื”, ื”ืœืŸ ืœื•ืื™ืก, ื›ืชื‘ืช ื”"ื ื™ื• ืกื˜ื™ื™ื˜ืžื ื˜"
06:36
she reviewed my book on public shaming and wrote that she Tweeted that night,
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ื‘ื‘ื™ืงื•ืจืช ืขืœ ืกืคืจื™ ืขืœ ืฉื™ื™ืžื™ื ื’ ืฆื™ื‘ื•ืจื™, ื”ื™ื ื›ืชื‘ื” ืฉื”ื™ื ืฆื™ื™ืฆื”:
06:40
"I'm not sure that her joke was intended to be racist,"
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"ืื ื™ ืœื ื‘ื˜ื•ื—ื” ืฉื”ื‘ื“ื™ื—ื” ืฉืœื” ื”ืชื›ื•ื•ื ื” ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ื’ื–ืขื ื™ืช"
06:43
and she said straightaway she got a fury of Tweets saying,
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ื•ืžื™ื“ ืืžืจื” ืฉื”ื™ื ืงื™ื‘ืœื” ื–ืขื ืฉืœ ืฆื™ื•ืฆื™ื ืฉืื•ืžืจื™ื,
06:46
"Well, you're just a privileged bitch, too."
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"ื˜ื•ื‘, ืืช ื’ื ืจืง ื›ืœื‘ื” ืขื ืคืจื™ื‘ื™ืœื’ื™ื”."
06:48
And so to her shame, she wrote,
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ื•ื›ืš ืœื‘ื•ืฉืชื” ื”ื™ื ื›ืชื‘ื”,
06:51
she shut up and watched as Justine's life got torn apart.
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ื”ื™ื ื”ืฉืชืชืงื” ื•ืฆืคืชื” ื›ื™ืฆื“ ื—ื™ื™ื” ืฉืœ ื’'ืืกื˜ื™ืŸ ื ืงืจืขื™ื ืœื’ื–ืจื™ื.
06:57
It started to get darker:
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ื–ื” ื”ืชื—ื™ืœ ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ื™ื•ืชืจ ืืคืœ;
06:59
[Everyone go report this cunt @JustineSacco]
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[ื›ื•ืœื ืชืœื›ื• ืœื“ื•ื•ื— ืขืœ ื”ื ื‘ืœื” ื”ื–ื• JustineSacco@]
07:02
Then came the calls for her to be fired.
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ื•ืื– ื”ื’ื™ืขื• ืงืจื™ืื•ืช ืœืคื˜ืจ ืื•ืชื”.
07:05
[Good luck with the job hunt in the new year. #GettingFired]
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[ ืžื–ืœ ื˜ื•ื‘ ืขื ืฆื™ื™ื“ ื”ืžืฉืจื•ืช ื‘ืฉื ื” ื”ื—ื“ืฉื”. GettingFired#]
07:07
Thousands of people around the world
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ืืœืคื™ ืื ืฉื™ื ืžืกื‘ื™ื‘ ืœืขื•ืœื
07:09
decided it was their duty to get her fired.
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ื”ื—ืœื™ื˜ื• ืฉื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืžื—ื•ื‘ืชื ืœืคื˜ืจ ืื•ืชื”.
07:13
[@JustineSacco last tweet of your career. #SorryNotSorry
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[JustineSaccot @ ื”ืฆื™ื•ืฅ ื”ืื—ืจื•ืŸ ื‘ืงืจื™ื™ืจื” ืฉืœืš. #ืžืฆื˜ืขืจ/ืœื ืžืฆื˜ืขืจ]
07:17
Corporations got involved, hoping to sell their products
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ืชืื’ื™ื“ื™ื ื ืขืฉื• ืžืขื•ืจื‘ื™ื, ื‘ืชืงื•ื•ื” ืœืžื›ื•ืจ ืืช ื”ืžื•ืฆืจื™ื ืฉืœื”ื
07:20
on the back of Justine's annihilation:
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ืขืœ ื’ื‘ ื”ืฉืžื“ืชื” ืฉืœ ื’'ืกื˜ื™ืŸ:
07:22
[Next time you plan to tweet something stupid before you take off,
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(ื‘ืคืขื ื”ื‘ืื” ืฉืืช ืžืฆื™ื™ืฆืช, ืžืฉื”ื• ื˜ื™ืคืฉื™ ืœืคื ื™ ืฉืืช ืžืžืจื™ืื”,
07:25
make sure you are getting on a @Gogo flight!]
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ื•ื•ื“ืื™ ืฉืืช ืขื•ืœื” ืขืœ ื˜ื™ืกืช GOGO@ ]
07:28
(Laughter)
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(ืฆื—ื•ืง)
07:30
A lot of companies were making good money that night.
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ื”ืจื‘ื” ื—ื‘ืจื•ืช ืขืฉื• ื›ืกืฃ ื˜ื•ื‘ ื‘ืื•ืชื• ื”ืœื™ืœื”.
07:33
You know, Justine's name was normally Googled 40 times a month.
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ื’ื™ื’ืœื• ืืช ืฉืžื” ืฉืœ ื’'ืกื˜ื™ืŸ ื‘ืื•ืคืŸ ืจื’ื™ืœ 40 ืคืขื ื‘ื—ื•ื“ืฉ.
07:37
That month, between December the 20th and the end of December,
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ื‘ืื•ืชื• ื—ื•ื“ืฉ ื‘ื™ืŸ 20 ื‘ื“ืฆืžื‘ืจ ื•ืขื“ ืœืกื•ืฃ ื”ื—ื•ื“ืฉ,
07:40
her name was Googled 1,220,000 times.
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ื’ื™ื’ืœื• ืืช ืฉืžื” 1,220,000 ืคืขืžื™ื.
07:45
And one Internet economist told me that that meant that Google made
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ื•ื›ืœื›ืœืŸ ืื™ื ื˜ืจื ื˜ ืื—ื“ ืืžืจ ืœื™ ืฉื–ื” ืื•ืžืจ ืฉื’ื•ื’ืœ ืขืฉืชื”
07:49
somewhere between 120,000 dollars and 468,000 dollars
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ืžืฉื”ื• ื‘ื™ืŸ 120,000 ื“ื•ืœืจื™ื ืœ-468.000 ื“ื•ืœืจื™ื
07:54
from Justine's annihilation, whereas those of us doing the actual shaming --
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ืžื”ืจื™ืกืชื” ืฉืœ ื’'ืกื˜ื™ืŸ, ื‘ืขื•ื“ ืืœื” ืžืื™ืชื ื• ืฉืขื•ืฉื™ื ืืช ื”ืฉื™ื™ืžื™ื ื’ ื‘ืคื•ืขืœ.
07:58
we got nothing.
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ืื ื—ื ื• ืœื ื”ืจื•ื•ื—ื ื• ื›ืœื•ื.
07:59
(Laughter)
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(ืฆื—ื•ืง)
08:00
We were like unpaid shaming interns for Google.
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ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ืžืขื™ืŸ ืžืชืžื—ื™ ืฉื™ื™ืžื™ื ื’ ืฉืœ ื’ื•ื’ืœ.
08:04
(Laughter)
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(ืฆื—ื•ืง)
08:07
And then came the trolls:
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ื•ืื– ื”ื’ื™ืขื• ื”ื˜ืจื•ืœื™ื:
08:09
[I'm actually kind of hoping Justine Sacco gets aids? lol]
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[ืื ื™ ื‘ืขืฆื ืžืงื•ื•ื” ืื™ื›ืฉื”ื• ืฉื’'ืกื˜ื™ืŸ ืกืืงื• ืชื—ื˜ื•ืฃ ืื™ื™ื“ืก? ืžืชืคืงืข ืžืฆื—ื•ืง]
08:12
Somebody else on that wrote,
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ืžื™ืฉื”ื• ืื—ืจ ื›ืชื‘ ืขืœ ื–ื”,
"ืฉืžื™ืฉื”ื• ืขื ืื™ื™ื“ืก ื™ืื ื•ืก ืืช ื”ื›ืœื‘ื” ื•ืื– ื ื“ืข,
08:14
"Somebody HIV-positive should rape this bitch and then we'll find out
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ืื ืฆื‘ืข ื”ืขื•ืจ ืฉืœื” ืžื’ืŸ ืขืœื™ื” ืžืื™ื™ื“ืก."
08:17
if her skin color protects her from AIDS."
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08:19
And that person got a free pass.
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ื•ืื“ื ื–ื” ืงื™ื‘ืœ ืื™ืฉื•ืจ ืœืขื‘ื•ืจ
08:22
Nobody went after that person.
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ืืฃ ืื—ื“ ืœื ืจื“ืฃ ืื•ืชื•,
08:24
We were all so excited about destroying Justine,
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ื›ื•ืœื ื• ื›ืœ ื›ืš ื”ืชืœื”ื‘ื ื• ืžืœื”ืจื•ืก ืืช ื’'ืกื˜ื™ืŸ,
08:26
and our shaming brains are so simple-minded,
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ื•ืžื•ื—ื•ืชื™ื ื• ื”ืžื‘ื™ื™ืฉื™ื ื”ื ื›ืœ ื›ืš ืคืฉื˜ื ื™ื™ื,
08:29
that we couldn't also handle destroying somebody
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ืฉืœื ื™ื›ื•ืœื ื• ื’ื ืœื”ืชืžื•ื“ื“ ืขื ืœื”ืจื•ืก ืžื™ืฉื”ื•
08:31
who was inappropriately destroying Justine.
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ืฉื”ืจืก ื‘ืื•ืคืŸ ื‘ืœืชื™ ื”ื•ืœื ืืช ื’'ืกื˜ื™ืŸ.
08:35
Justine was really uniting a lot of disparate groups that night,
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ื’'ืกื˜ื™ืŸ ื‘ืืžืช ืื™ื—ื“ื” ื”ืจื‘ื” ืงื‘ื•ืฆื•ืช ืฉื•ื ื•ืช ื‘ืื•ืชื• ื”ืœื™ืœื”,
08:39
from philanthropists to "rape the bitch."
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ืžืคื™ืœื ื˜ืจื•ืคื™ื ื•ืขื“ "ืœืื ื•ืก ืืช ื”ื›ืœื‘ื”."
08:42
[@JustineSacco I hope you get fired! You demented bitch...
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[JustineSacco@ ื”ืœื•ื•ืื™ ืฉื™ืคื˜ืจื• ืื•ืชืš! ื›ืœื‘ื” ืžื˜ื•ืจืคืช ืฉื›ืžื•ืชืš...
08:46
Just let the world know you're planning to ride bare back while in Africa.]
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ืจืง ืชืกืคืจื™ ืœืขื•ืœื ืฉืืช ืžืชื›ื ื ืช ืœืจื›ื‘ ื‘ื’ื‘ ื—ืฉื•ืฃ ื›ืฉืืช ื‘ืืคืจื™ืงื”.]
08:50
Women always have it worse than men.
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ืœื ืฉื™ื ื–ื” ืชืžื™ื“ ื™ื•ืชืจ ื’ืจื•ืข ืžืืฉืจ ืœื’ื‘ืจื™ื.
08:52
When a man gets shamed, it's, "I'm going to get you fired."
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ื›ืฉืขื•ืฉื™ื ืฉื™ื™ืžื™ื ื’ ืœื’ื‘ืจ , ื–ื” " ืื ื™ ืื“ืื’ ืœื–ื” ืฉื™ืคื˜ืจื• ืื•ืชืš."
08:55
When a woman gets shamed, it's,
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ื›ืฉืขื•ืฉื™ื ืœืืฉื” ืฉื™ื™ืžื™ื ื’ ื–ื”:
08:57
"I'm going to get you fired and raped and cut out your uterus."
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"ืื ื™ ืื“ืื’ ืœื–ื” ืฉื™ืคื˜ืจื• ืื•ืชืš, ื™ืื ืกื• ืื•ืชืš ื•ื™ื—ืชื›ื• ืœืš ืืช ื”ืจื—ื ."
09:01
And then Justine's employers got involved:
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ื•ืื– ื”ืžืขืกื™ืงื™ื ืฉืœ ื’'ืกื˜ื™ืŸ ื ืขืฉื• ืžืขื•ืจื‘ื™ื:
09:04
[IAC on @JustineSacco tweet: This is an outrageous, offensive comment.
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[IAC ืขืœ ื”ืฆื™ื•ืฅ ืฉืœ JustineSacco@ ื–ื•ื”ื™ ื”ืขืจื” ืชื•ืงืคื ื™ืช ืฉืขืจื•ืจื™ื™ืชื™ืช.
09:07
Employee in question currently unreachable on an intl flight.]
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ืœื ื ื™ืชืŸ ืœื”ื’ื™ืข ื›ืจื’ืข ืœืขื•ื‘ื“ืช ื”ื ื“ื•ื ื” ืฉื ืžืฆืืช ืขืœ ื˜ื™ืกื” ื‘ื™ื ืœืื•ืžื™ืช.]
ื•ื–ื” ื›ืฉื”ื›ืขืก ื”ื•ืคืš ืœื”ืชืจื’ืฉื•ืช:
09:10
And that's when the anger turned to excitement:
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[ื›ืœ ืžื” ืฉืื ื™ ืจื•ืฆื” ืœื›ืจื™ืกื˜ืžืก ื–ื” ืœืจืื•ืช ืืช ื”ืคืจืฆื•ืฃ ืฉืœ JustineSacco@
09:12
[All I want for Christmas is to see @JustineSacco's face when her plane lands
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ื ื•ื—ืชืช ื•ื‘ื•ื“ืงืช ื”ื•ื“ืขื•ืช ื•ื”ื•ื“ืขื•ืช ืงื•ืœื™ื•ืช ื‘ืžื™ื™ืœ. #ืžืคื•ื˜ืจืช.]
09:16
and she checks her inbox/voicemail. #fired]
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[ืื•ื™ ื‘ืŸ ืื“ื, ืœ-justinesacco@ ื”ื•ืœืš ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ืจื’ืข ื›ื•ืื‘ ืฉืœ ืคืชื™ื—ืช ื˜ืœืคื•ืŸ ื›ืฉื”ืžื˜ื•ืก ืฉืœื” ื™ื ื—ืช.]
09:18
[Oh man, @justinesacco is going to have the most painful
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[ืื ื—ื ื• ื”ื•ืœื›ื™ื ืœืจืื•ืช ืืช JustineSacco@ ื”ื›ืœื‘ื” ื”ื–ื• ืžืคื•ื˜ืจืช ื‘ื–ืžืŸ ืืžืช.
09:21
phone-turning-on moment ever when her plane lands.]
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09:23
[We are about to watch this @JustineSacco bitch get fired. In REAL time.
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ืœืคื ื™ ืฉื”ื™ื ื™ื•ื“ืขืช ืืคื™ืœื• ืฉื”ื™ื ืžืคื•ื˜ืจืช.]
ืžื” ืฉื”ื™ื” ืœื ื• ื”ื™ื” ืงืฉืช ื ืจื˜ื™ื‘ื™ืช ืžืจื”ื™ื‘ื”.
09:27
Before she even KNOWS she's getting fired.]
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ื™ื“ืขื ื• ืžืฉื”ื• ืฉื’'ืกื˜ื™ืŸ ืœื ื™ื“ืขื”.
09:29
What we had was a delightful narrative arc.
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ื”ืื ืชื•ื›ืœื• ืœื—ืฉื•ื‘ ืขืœ ืžืฉื”ื• ืคื—ื•ืช ืฉื™ืคื•ื˜ื™ ืžื–ื”?
09:31
We knew something that Justine didn't.
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09:33
Can you think of anything less judicial than this?
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ื’'ืกื˜ื™ืŸ ื™ืฉื ื” ื‘ืžื˜ื•ืก ืœืœื ืืคืฉืจื•ืช ืœื”ืกื‘ื™ืจ ืืช ืขืฆืžื”,
09:35
Justine was asleep on a plane and unable to explain herself,
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09:38
and her inability was a huge part of the hilarity.
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ื•ื—ื•ืกืจ ื”ื™ื›ื•ืœืช ืฉืœื” ื”ื™ื” ื—ืœืง ื’ื“ื•ืœ ืžื”ืขืœื™ืฆื•ืช.
09:42
On Twitter that night, we were like toddlers crawling towards a gun.
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ื‘ื˜ื•ื•ื™ื˜ืจ ื‘ืื•ืชื• ืœื™ืœื”, ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ื›ืžื• ืคืขื•ื˜ื•ืช ืฉื–ื•ื—ืœื™ื ืœื›ื™ื•ื•ืŸ ืจื•ื‘ื”
09:47
Somebody worked out exactly which plane she was on, so they linked
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ืžื™ืฉื”ื• ืžืฆื ื‘ื“ื™ื•ืง ืขืœ ืื™ื–ื” ืžื˜ื•ืก ื”ื™ื ื ืžืฆืืช, ื›ืš ื”ืชื—ื‘ืจื•
09:50
to a flight tracker website.
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ืœืืชืจ ืžืขืงื‘ ืื—ืจ ื”ื˜ื™ืกื”.
09:52
[British Airways Flight 43 On-time - arrives in 1 hour 34 minutes]
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[ื˜ื™ืกืช ื‘ืจื™ื˜ื™ืฉ ืื™ื™ืจื•ื•ื™ื™ื– ืžืก. 43, ื‘ื–ืžืŸ, ื ื•ื—ืชืช ื‘ืขื•ื“ ืฉืขื” ื•-34 ื“ืงื•ืช]
09:56
A hashtag began trending worldwide:
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ื”ืชื—ื™ืœื” ืžื’ืžืช ืกื•ืœืžื™ืช ื‘ืขื•ืœื
09:58
# hasJustineLandedYet?
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#ื”ืื ื’'ืกื˜ื™ืŸ ื ื—ืชื” ื›ื‘ืจ?
10:01
[It is kinda wild to see someone self-destruct
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[ื–ื” ื“ื™ ืคืจืื™ ืœืจืื•ืช ื”ืฉืžื“ื” ืขืฆืžื™ืช ืฉืœ ืžื™ืฉื”ื•
ืžื‘ืœื™ ืฉื”ื•ื ืืคื™ืœื• ื™ื”ื™ื” ืžื•ื“ืข ืœื›ืš #ื”ืื ื’'ืกื˜ื™ืŸ ื ื—ืชื” ื›ื‘ืจ?]
10:03
without them even being aware of it. #hasJustineLandedYet]
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[ื‘ืจืฆื™ื ื•ืช. ืื ื™ ืจืง ืจื•ืฆื” ืœืœื›ืช ื”ื‘ื™ืชื”, ืœื™ืฉื•ืŸ, ืื‘ืœ ื›ื•ืœื ื‘ื‘ืจ
10:06
[Seriously. I just want to go home to go to bed, but everyone at the bar
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ื›ืœ ื›ืš ื‘ืขื ื™ื™ืŸ ืฉืœ #ื”ืื ื’'ืกื˜ื™ืŸ ื ื—ืชื” ื›ื‘ืจ? ืœื ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœื”ืคื ื•ืช ืžื‘ื˜, ืœื ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœืขื–ื•ื‘]
10:09
is SO into #HasJustineLandedYet. Can't look away. Can't leave.]
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[#ื”ืื ื’'ืกื˜ื™ืŸ ื ื—ืชื” ื›ื‘ืจ? ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ื”ื“ื‘ืจ ื”ื˜ื•ื‘ ื‘ื™ื•ืชืจ ืฉืงืจื” ืœืขืจื‘ ืฉื™ืฉื™ ืฉืœื™.]
10:12
[#HasJustineLandedYet may be the best thing to happen to my Friday night.]
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ื”ืื ืืฃ ืื—ื“ ื‘ืงื™ื™ืคื˜ืื•ืŸ ืœื ื”ื•ืœืš ืœืฉื“ื” ื”ืชืขื•ืคื” ืœืฆื™ื™ืฅ ืขืœ ื”ื’ืขืชื”?[
10:16
[Is no one in Cape Town going to the airport to tweet her arrival?
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ื™ืืœืœื”, ื˜ื•ื•ื™ื˜ืจ! ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืจื•ืฆื” ืชืžื•ื ื•ืช]
ื•ื ื—ืฉื• ืžื”? ื›ืŸ ื”ื™ื•.
10:19
Come on, twitter! I'd like pictures]
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10:20
And guess what? Yes there was.
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JustineSacco @ ืœืžืขืฉื” ื ื—ืชื” ื‘ืงื™ื™ืค ื˜ืื•ืŸ ืื™ื ื˜ืจื ืฉื™ื•ื ืœ,
10:22
[@JustineSacco HAS in fact landed at Cape Town international.
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ื•ืื ืืชื ืจื•ืฆื™ื ืœื“ืขืช ืื™ืš ื–ื” ื ืจืื” ืœื’ืœื•ืช
10:25
And if you want to know what it looks like to discover
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ืฉื–ื” ืขืชื” ื ืงืจืขืช ืœื’ื–ืจื™ื ื‘ื’ืœืœ ื‘ื“ื™ื—ื” ืžื™ืœื•ืœื™ืช ืฉืœื ืคื•ืจืฉื” ื›ื”ืœื›ื”,
10:27
that you've just been torn to shreds because of a misconstrued liberal joke,
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ืœื ืขืœ ื™ื“ื™ ื˜ืจื•ืœื™ื, ืืœื ืขืœ ื™ื“ื™ ืื ืฉื™ื ื ื—ืžื“ื™ื ื›ืžื•ื ื•,
10:31
not by trolls, but by nice people like us,
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10:33
this is what it looks like:
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ื›ื›ื” ื–ื” ื ืจืื”:
10:35
[... She's decided to wear sunnies as a disguise.]
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[...ื”ื™ื ื”ื—ืœื™ื˜ื” ืœื—ื‘ื•ืฉ ืžืฉืงืคื™ ืฉืžืฉ ื›ื”ืกื•ื•ืื”.]
10:37
So why did we do it?
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ืื– ืœืžื” ืขืฉื™ื ื• ืืช ื–ื”?
10:39
I think some people were genuinely upset,
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ืื ื™ ื—ื•ืฉื‘ ืฉื™ืฉ ืื ืฉื™ื ืฉื”ื™ื• ื‘ืืžืช ื ืกืขืจื™ื
10:42
but I think for other people,
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ืื‘ืœ ืื ื™ ื—ื•ืฉื‘ ืฉืขื‘ื•ืจ ืื ืฉื™ื ืื—ืจื™ื,
10:44
it's because Twitter is basically a mutual approval machine.
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ื–ื” ื‘ื’ืœืœ ืฉื˜ื•ื•ื™ื˜ืจ ื”ื•ื ื‘ืขืฆื ืžื›ื•ื ืช ืื™ืฉื•ืจ ื”ื“ื“ื™.
10:47
We surround ourselves with people who feel the same way we do,
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ืื ื• ืžืงื™ืคื™ื ืืช ืขืฆืžื ื• ื‘ืื ืฉื™ื ืฉืžืจื’ื™ืฉื™ื ื›ืžื•ื ื•,
10:50
and we approve each other,
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ื•ืื ื—ื ื• ืžืืฉืจื™ื ืื—ื“ ืืช ื”ืฉื ื™,
10:51
and that's a really good feeling.
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ื•ื–ื• ืžืžืฉ ื”ืจื’ืฉื” ื˜ื•ื‘ื”
10:53
And if somebody gets in the way, we screen them out.
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ื•ืื ืžื™ืฉื”ื• ืขื•ืžื“ ื‘ื“ืจื›ื ื• ืื ื—ื ื• ืžืกื ื ื™ื ืื•ืชื• ื”ื—ื•ืฆื”.
10:55
And do you know what that's the opposite of?
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ื•ืืชื ื™ื•ื“ืขื™ื ื”ื”ื™ืคืš ืžืžื” ื–ื”?
10:58
It's the opposite of democracy.
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ื–ื” ื”ื”ื™ืคืš ืžื“ืžื•ืงืจื˜ื™ื”.
11:00
We wanted to show that we cared about people dying of AIDS in Africa.
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ืจืฆื™ื ื• ืœื”ืจืื•ืช ืฉื”ื™ื” ืื›ืคืช ืœื ื• ืžืื ืฉื™ื ืฉืžืชื™ื ืžืื™ื™ื“ืก ื‘ืืคืจื™ืงื”.
11:04
Our desire to be seen to be compassionate is what led us to commit
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ื”ืจืฆื•ืŸ ืฉืœื ื• ืœื”ืจืื•ืช ื‘ืขืœื™ ื—ืžืœื” ื–ื” ืžื” ืฉื”ื•ื‘ื™ืœ ืื•ืชื ื• ืœืขืฉื•ืช
11:08
this profoundly un-compassionate act.
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ืืช ื”ืžืขืฉื” ื”ืžืื•ื“ ืœื ื—ื•ืžืœ ื”ื–ื”.
11:11
As Meghan O'Gieblyn wrote in the Boston Review,
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ื›ืคื™ ืฉืžื’ืืŸ ืื•'ื’ื™ื‘ืœื™ืŸ ื›ืชื‘ื” ื‘ื‘ื•ืกื˜ื•ืŸ ืจื•ื•ื™ื•,
11:14
"This isn't social justice. It's a cathartic alternative."
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"ื–ื” ืœื ืฆื“ืง ื—ื‘ืจืชื™. ื–ื• ืืœื˜ืจื ื˜ื™ื‘ื” ืžื–ื›ื›ืช. "
11:19
For the past three years,
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ื‘ืฉืœื•ืฉ ื”ืฉื ื™ื ื”ืื—ืจื•ื ื•ืช
11:20
I've been going around the world meeting people like Justine Sacco --
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ื”ืกืชื•ื‘ื‘ืชื™ ื‘ืจื—ื‘ื™ ื”ืขื•ืœื ื•ืคื’ืฉืชื™ ืื ืฉื™ื ื›ืžื• ื’'ืกื˜ื™ืŸ ืกืืงื• --
ื•ื”ืืžื™ื ื• ืœื™, ื™ืฉ ื”ืจื‘ื” ืื ืฉื™ื ื›ืžื• ื’'ืกื˜ื™ืŸ ืกืืงื•.
11:24
and believe me, there's a lot of people like Justine Sacco.
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11:27
There's more every day.
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ื™ืฉ ื™ื•ืชืจ ืžื”ื ื›ืœ ื™ื•ื.
11:28
And we want to think they're fine, but they're not fine.
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ื•ืื ื—ื ื• ืจื•ืฆื™ื ืœื—ืฉื•ื‘ ืฉื”ื ื‘ืกื“ืจ, ืื‘ืœ ื”ื ืœื ื‘ืกื“ืจ.
11:32
The people I met were mangled.
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ื”ืื ืฉื™ื ืฉืคื’ืฉืชื™ ื”ื™ื• ืžืจื•ืกืงื™ื.
11:34
They talked to me about depression,
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ื”ื ื“ื™ื‘ืจื• ืื™ืชื™ ืขืœ ื“ื™ื›ืื•ืŸ,
11:36
and anxiety and insomnia and suicidal thoughts.
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ื•ื—ืจื“ื” ื•ื ื“ื•ื“ื™ ืฉื™ื ื” ื•ืžื—ืฉื‘ื•ืช ืื•ื‘ื“ื ื™ื•ืช.
11:40
One woman I talked to, who also told a joke that landed badly,
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ืื™ืฉื” ืื—ืช ืฉืื™ืชื” ื“ื™ื‘ืจืชื™, ืฉื’ื ืกื™ืคืจื” ื‘ื“ื™ื—ื” ืฉืœื ื”ืชืงื‘ืœื” ื˜ื•ื‘
11:44
she stayed home for a year and a half.
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ื”ื™ื ื ืฉืืจื” ื‘ื‘ื™ืช ื‘ืžืฉืš ืฉื ื” ื•ื—ืฆื™.
11:47
Before that, she worked with adults with learning difficulties,
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ืœืคื ื™ ื›ืŸ, ื”ื™ื ืขื‘ื“ื” ืขื ืžื‘ื•ื’ืจื™ื ืขื ืงืฉื™ื™ ืœืžื™ื“ื”,
11:51
and was apparently really good at her job.
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ื•ื”ื™ืชื” ื›ื ืจืื” ืžืžืฉ ื˜ื•ื‘ื” ื‘ืขื‘ื•ื“ื” ืฉืœื”
11:55
Justine was fired, of course, because social media demanded it.
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ื’'ืกื˜ื™ืŸ ืคื•ื˜ืจื”, ื›ืžื•ื‘ืŸ, ื›ื™ ื”ืžื“ื™ื” ื”ื—ื‘ืจืชื™ืช ื“ืจืฉื” ืืช ื–ื”.
11:59
But it was worse than that.
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ืื‘ืœ ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื™ื•ืชืจ ื’ืจื•ืข ืžื–ื”.
12:01
She was losing herself.
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ื”ื™ื ื”ืœื›ื” ืœืื™ื‘ื•ื“,
12:03
She was waking up in the middle of the night, forgetting who she was.
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ื”ื™ื ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืžืชืขื•ืจืจืช ื‘ืืžืฆืข ื”ืœื™ืœื”, ื›ืฉื”ื™ื ืฉื•ื›ื—ืช ืžื™ ื”ื™ื.
12:08
She was got because she was perceived to have misused her privilege.
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ื™ืจื“ื• ืขืœื™ื” ื›ื™ ื”ื™ื ื ืชืคืกื” ื›ืžื™ ืฉื ื™ืฆืœื” ืœืจืขื” ืืช ื”ืคืจื™ื‘ื™ืœื’ื™ื” ืฉืœื”.
12:12
And of course, that's a much better thing to get people for than the things
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ื•ื›ืžื•ื‘ืŸ, ื–ื” ื“ื‘ืจ ื™ื•ืชืจ ื˜ื•ื‘ ื›ื“ื™ ืœืจื“ืช ืขืœ ืื ืฉื™ื ืžืืฉืจ ื”ื“ื‘ืจื™ื
ืฉื‘ื’ืœืœื ื ื”ื’ื ื• ืœืจื“ืช ืขืœ ืื ืฉื™ื, ื›ืžื• ืœื”ื•ืœื™ื“ ื™ืœื“ื™ื ืžื—ื•ืฅ ืœืžืกื’ืจืช ื”ื ื™ืฉื•ืื™ืŸ.
12:15
we used to get people for, like having children out of wedlock.
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12:18
But the phrase "misuse of privilege" is becoming a free pass
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ืื‘ืœ ื”ื‘ื™ื˜ื•ื™ "ืœื ืฆืœ ืœืจืขื” ืคืจื™ื‘ื™ืœื’ื™ื”" ื”ื•ืคืš ืœืฉืžืฉ ื›ื ื™ืกื” ื—ื•ืคืฉื™ืช
12:21
to tear apart pretty much anybody we choose to.
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ื›ื“ื™ ืœืงืจื•ืข ืœื’ื–ืจื™ื ื›ืžืขื˜ ื›ืœ ืžื™ ืฉืื ื• ื‘ื•ื—ืจื™ื ืœืขืฉื•ืช ืœื• ืืช ื–ื”.
12:25
It's becoming a devalued term,
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ื–ื” ื”ื•ืคืš ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ืขื“ืš ืžืคื•ื—ืช.
12:27
and it's making us lose our capacity for empathy
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ื•ื–ื” ื’ื•ืจื ืœื ื• ืœืื‘ื“ ืืช ื”ื™ื›ื•ืœืช ืฉืœื ื• ืœืืžืคืชื™ื”
12:30
and for distinguishing between serious and unserious transgressions.
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ื•ืœื”ื‘ื—ื ื” ื‘ื™ืŸ ืขื‘ืจื•ืช ื—ืžื•ืจื•ืช ื•ื‘ืœืชื™ ื—ืžื•ืจื•ืช.
12:36
Justine had 170 Twitter followers, and so to make it work,
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ืœื’'ืกื˜ื™ืŸ ื”ื™ื• 170 ืขื•ืงื‘ื™ื ื‘ื˜ื•ื•ื™ื˜ืจ, ื•ื›ื“ื™ ืœื’ืจื•ื ืœื–ื” ืœืขื‘ื•ื“,
12:39
she had to be fictionalized.
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ื”ื™ื ื”ื™ื• ื—ื™ื™ื‘ื™ื ืœืฉื•ื•ืช ืœื” ื“ืžื•ืช ื‘ื“ื™ื•ื ื™ืช.
12:41
Word got around that she was the daughter the mining billionaire Desmond Sacco.
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ื”ืชื”ืœื›ื” ืฉืžื•ืขื” ืฉื”ื™ื ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ื‘ืชื• ืฉืœ ืžื™ืœื™ืืจื“ืจ ื”ืžื›ืจื•ืช ื“ื–ืžื•ื ื“ ืกืืงื•.
12:46
[Let us not be fooled by #JustineSacco her father is a SA mining billionaire.
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[ื‘ืœ ืœื ื• ืœืœื›ืช ืฉื•ืœืœ ืขืœ ื™ื“ื™ JustineSacco# ืื‘ื™ื” ื”ื•ื ืžื™ืœื™ืืจื“ืจ ืžื›ืจื•ืช ื“ืจื•ื ืืคืจื™ืงืื™.
ื”ื™ื ืื™ื ื” ืžืฆื˜ืขืจืช. ื•ื’ื ืœื ืื‘ื™ื”.]
12:50
She's not sorry. And neither is her father.]
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12:52
I thought that was true about Justine,
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ื—ืฉื‘ืชื™ ืฉื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื ื›ื•ืŸ ืœื’ื‘ื™ ื’'ืกื˜ื™ืŸ,
ืขื“ ืฉืคื’ืฉืชื™ ืื•ืชื” ื‘ื‘ืจ, ื•ืฉืืœืชื™ ืื•ืชื” ืขืœ ืื‘ื™ื” ื”ืžื™ืœื™ืืจื“ืจ,
12:54
until I met her at a bar, and I asked her about her billionaire father,
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ื•ื”ื™ื ืืžืจื”, "ืื‘ื ืฉืœื™ ืžื•ื›ืจ ืฉื˜ื™ื—ื™ื."
12:57
and she said, "My father sells carpets."
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12:59
And I think back on the early days of Twitter,
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ื•ืื ื™ ื ื–ื›ืจ ื‘ื™ืžื™ื ื”ืจืืฉื•ื ื™ื ืฉืœ ื˜ื•ื•ื™ื˜ืจ,
13:01
when people would admit shameful secrets about themselves,
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ื›ืืฉืจ ืื ืฉื™ื ื”ื™ื• ืžืชื•ื•ื“ื™ื ืขืœ ืกื•ื“ื•ืช ืžื‘ื™ืฉื™ื ืขืœ ืขืฆืžื,
13:04
and other people would say, "Oh my God, I'm exactly the same."
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ื•ืื ืฉื™ื ืื—ืจื™ื ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ืื•ืžืจื™ื, "ื”ื• ืืœื•ื”ื™ื, ืื ื™ ื‘ื“ื™ื•ืง ืื•ืชื• ื”ื“ื‘ืจ."
13:07
These days, the hunt is on for people's shameful secrets.
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ื”ื™ื•ื ืžืกืข ื”ืฆื™ื“ ื”ื•ื ืื—ืจ ื”ืกื•ื“ื•ืช ื”ืžื‘ื™ืฉื™ื ืฉืœ ืื ืฉื™ื.
13:11
You can lead a good, ethical life,
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ืืชื ื™ื›ื•ืœื™ื ืœื ื”ืœ ื—ื™ื™ื ื˜ื•ื‘ื™ื, ืžื•ืกืจื™ื™ื,
13:13
but some bad phraseology in a Tweet can overwhelm it all,
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ืื‘ืœ ื›ืžื” ืžืœื™ืฆื•ืช ืจืขื•ืช ื‘ืฆื™ื•ืฅ ื™ื›ื•ืœื•ืช ืœื”ื›ื ื™ืข ืืช ื›ืœ ื–ื”,
13:18
become a clue to your secret inner evil.
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ืœืจืžื•ื– ืขืœ ื”ืจื•ืข ื”ืคื ื™ืžื™ ื”ืกื•ื“ื™ ืฉืœืš.
13:21
Maybe there's two types of people in the world:
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ืื•ืœื™ ื™ืฉ ืฉื ื™ ืกื•ื’ื™ื ืฉืœ ืื ืฉื™ื ื‘ืขื•ืœื:
13:24
those people who favor humans over ideology,
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ืื•ืชื ืื ืฉื™ื ืฉืžืขื“ื™ืคื™ื ื‘ื ื™ ืื“ื ืขืœ ืคื ื™ ืื™ื“ื™ืื•ืœื•ื’ื™ื”
13:27
and those people who favor ideology over humans.
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ื•ื”ืื ืฉื™ื ื”ืืœื” ืฉืžืขื“ื™ืคื™ื ืื™ื“ืื•ืœื•ื’ื™ื” ืขืœ ืคื ื™ ื‘ื ื™ ืื“ื.
13:31
I favor humans over ideology,
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ืื ื™ ืžืขื“ื™ืฃ ื‘ื ื™ ืื“ื ืขืœ ืคื ื™ ืื™ื“ื™ืื•ืœื•ื’ื™ื”
13:33
but right now, the ideologues are winning,
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ืื‘ืœ ืขื›ืฉื™ื•, ื”ืื™ื“ื™ืื•ืœื•ื’ื™ื ืžื ืฆื—ื™ื
13:36
and they're creating a stage for constant artificial high dramas
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ื•ื”ื ื™ื•ืฆืจื™ื ื‘ืžื” ืœื“ืจืžื•ืช ื’ื‘ื•ื”ื•ืช ืžืœืื›ื•ืชื™ื•ืช ืงื‘ื•ืขื•ืช
13:41
where everybody's either a magnificent hero
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ื”ื™ื›ืŸ ืฉื›ืœ ืื—ื“ ื”ื•ื ื’ื™ื‘ื•ืจ ืžืคื•ืืจ
13:43
or a sickening villain,
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ืื• ื ื‘ืœ ืžื—ืœื™ื,
13:45
even though we know that's not true about our fellow humans.
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ืœืžืจื•ืช ืฉืื ื• ื™ื•ื“ืขื™ื ืฉื–ื” ืœื ื ื›ื•ืŸ ืœื’ื‘ื™ ืื—ื™ื ื• ื‘ื ื™ ื”ืื“ื.
13:48
What's true is that we are clever and stupid;
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ืžื” ืฉื ื›ื•ืŸ ื”ื•ื ืฉืื ื—ื ื• ื—ื›ืžื™ื ื•ื˜ืคืฉื™ื;
13:52
what's true is that we're grey areas.
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ืžื” ืฉื ื›ื•ืŸ ื–ื” ืฉืื ื—ื ื• ืื–ื•ืจื™ื ืืคื•ืจื™ื
13:55
The great thing about social media was how it gave a voice
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ื”ื“ื‘ืจ ื”ื’ื“ื•ืœ ื‘ืžื“ื™ื” ื”ื—ื‘ืจืชื™ืช, ื”ื™ื” ื›ื™ืฆื“ ื”ื™ื ื ืชื ื” ืงื•ืœ
13:58
to voiceless people,
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ืœืื ืฉื™ื ื—ืกืจื™ ืงื•ืœ,
13:59
but we're now creating a surveillance society,
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ืื‘ืœ ืื ื—ื ื• ื™ื•ืฆืจื™ื ืขื›ืฉื™ื• ื—ื‘ืจืช ืžืขืงื‘,
14:02
where the smartest way to survive is to go back to being voiceless.
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ืฉื‘ื” ื”ื“ืจืš ื”ื—ื›ืžื” ื‘ื™ื•ืชืจ ืœืฉืจื•ื“ ื”ื™ื ืœืฉื•ื‘ ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ื—ืกืจื™ ืงื•ืœ.
14:07
Let's not do that.
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ื‘ื•ืื• ืœื ื ืขืฉื” ืืช ื–ื”.
14:08
Thank you.
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ืชื•ื“ื”.
14:10
(Applause)
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(ืžื—ื™ืื•ืช ื›ืคื™ื™ื)
14:21
Bruno Giussani: Thank you, Jon.
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ื‘ืจื•ื ื• ื’'ื•ืกืื ื™i: ืชื•ื“ื” ืœืš, ื’ 'ื•ืŸ.
14:22
Jon Ronson: Thanks, Bruno.
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ื’'ื•ืŸ ืจื•ื ืกื•ืŸ: ืชื•ื“ื”, ื‘ืจื•ื ื•.
14:24
BG: Don't go away.
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ื‘.ื’.: ืืœ ืชืœืš.
14:26
What strikes me about Justine's story
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ืžื” ืฉืžื“ื”ื™ื ืื•ืชื™ ื‘ืกื™ืคื•ืจื• ืฉืœ ื’'ืกื˜ื™ืŸ
14:28
is also the fact that if you Google her name today,
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ื–ื• ื’ื ื”ืขื•ื‘ื“ื” ืฉืื ืืชื” ืžื’ื•ื’ืœ ืืช ืฉืžื” ื”ื™ื•ื
14:31
this story covers the first 100 pages of Google results --
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ื”ืกื™ืคื•ืจ ื”ื–ื” ืžื›ืกื” ืืช 100 ื”ืขืžื•ื“ื™ื ื”ืจืืฉื•ื ื™ื ืฉืœ ืชื•ืฆืื•ืช ื’ื•ื’ืœ--
14:33
there is nothing else about her.
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ืื™ืŸ ืฉื•ื ื“ื‘ืจ ืื—ืจ ืขืœื™ื”.
14:36
In your book, you mention another story
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ื‘ืกืคืจ ืฉืœืš, ืืชื” ืžื–ื›ื™ืจ ืกื™ืคื•ืจ ืื—ืจ
14:38
of another victim who actually got taken on by a reputation management firm,
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ืฉืœ ืงื•ืจื‘ืŸ ื ื•ืกืฃ ืฉืœ ืงื˜ืข ืฉืœ ืžื•ื ื™ื˜ื™ืŸ,
14:43
and by creating blogs and posting nice, innocuous stories about her love for cats
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ื•ื‘ืขื–ืจืช ื‘ืœื•ื’ื™ื ื•ืคื•ืกื˜ื™ื ื ื—ืžื“ื™ื, ื•ืกื™ืคื•ืจื™ื ืชืžื™ืžื™ื ืขืœ ืื”ื‘ืชื” ืœื—ืชื•ืœื™ื
14:48
and holidays and stuff, managed to get the story
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ื•ื—ื’ื™ื, ื•ื›ืืœื” ื”ืฆืœื™ื—ื” ืœื”ืกื™ืจ ืืช ื”ืกื™ืคื•ืจ
14:51
off the first couple pages of Google results, but it didn't last long.
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ืžืชื•ืฆืื•ืช ื“ืคื™ ื”ื—ื™ืคื•ืฉ ื”ืจืืฉื•ื ื™ื ืฉืœ ื’ื•ื’ืœ, ืื‘ืœ ืœื ืœืื•ืจืš ื–ืžืŸ.
14:55
A couple of weeks later, they started creeping back up to the top result.
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ื›ืžื” ืฉื‘ื•ืขื•ืช ืœืื—ืจ ืžื›ืŸ, ื”ื ื–ื—ืœื• ื—ื–ืจื” ืœืจืืฉ ื”ืชื•ืฆืื•ืช.
15:00
Is this a totally lost battle?
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ื”ืื ื–ื” ืงืจื‘ ืื‘ื•ื“ ืœื’ืžืจื™?
15:02
Jon Ronson: You know, I think the very best thing we can do,
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ื’'ื•ืŸ ืจื•ื ืกื•ืŸ: ืื ื™ ื—ื•ืฉื‘ ืฉื”ื“ื‘ืจ ื”ื˜ื•ื‘ ื‘ื™ื•ืชืจ ืฉืื ื—ื ื• ื™ื›ื•ืœื™ื ืœืขืฉื•ืช,
15:05
if you see a kind of unfair or an ambiguous shaming,
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ืื ืจื•ืื™ื ืกื•ื’ ืฉืœ ืฉื™ื™ืžื™ื ื’ ืœื ื”ื•ื’ืŸ, ืื• ืฉื ื•ื™ ื‘ืžื—ืœื•ืงืช,
15:09
is to speak up, because I think the worst thing that happened to Justine
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ื–ื” ืœื“ื‘ืจ, ื›ื™ ืœื“ืขืชื™ ื”ื“ื‘ืจ ื”ื’ืจื•ืข ื‘ื™ื•ืชืจ ืฉืงืจื” ืœื’'ืกื˜ื™ืŸ
15:13
was that nobody supported her -- like, everyone was against her,
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ื”ื™ื” ืฉืืฃ ืื—ื“ ืœื ืชืžืš ื‘ื” - ื›ืื™ืœื• ื›ื•ืœื ื”ื™ื” ื ื’ื“ื”,
15:16
and that is profoundly traumatizing,
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ื•ื–ื” ื’ื•ืจื ืœื˜ืจืื•ืžื” ืงืฉื”
15:18
to be told by tens of thousands of people that you need to get out.
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ืœืฉืžื•ืข ืžืขืฉืจื•ืช ืืœืคื™ ืื ืฉื™ื ืฉืขืœื™ืš ืœื”ืกืชืœืง.
15:21
But if a shaming happens and there's a babble of voices, like in a democracy,
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ืื‘ืœ ืื ืฉื™ื™ืžื™ื ื’ ืงื•ืจื” ื•ื™ืฉ ื”ืžื•ืœืช ืงื•ืœื•ืช, ื›ืžื• ื‘ื“ืžื•ืงืจื˜ื™ื”,
15:26
where people are discussing it, I think that's much less damaging.
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ืฉื‘ื” ืื ืฉื™ื ื“ื ื™ื ื‘ื–ื”, ืื ื™ ื—ื•ืฉื‘ ืฉื–ื” ื”ืจื‘ื” ืคื—ื•ืช ืžื–ื™ืง.
15:29
So I think that's the way forward,
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ืื– ืื ื™ ื—ื•ืฉื‘ ืฉื–ื• ื”ื“ืจืš ืงื“ื™ืžื”,
15:30
but it's hard, because if you do stand up for somebody,
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ืื‘ืœ ื–ื” ืงืฉื”, ื›ื™ ืื ืืชื ื›ืŸ ื ื™ืฆื‘ื™ื ืœืฆื™ื“ื• ืฉืœ ืžื™ืฉื”ื•,
15:33
it's incredibly unpleasant.
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ื–ื” ืžืื•ื“ ืœื ื ืขื™ื.
15:35
BG: So let's talk about your experience,
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ื‘.ื’.: ืื– ื‘ื•ืื• ื ื“ื‘ืจ ืขืœ ื”ื—ื•ื•ื™ื” ืฉืœืš,
15:37
because you stood up by writing this book.
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ื›ื™ ืืชื” ืžืชื™ื™ืฆื‘ ื›ื ื’ื“ ืขืœ ื™ื“ื™ ื›ืชื™ื‘ืช ื”ืกืคืจ.
15:39
By the way, it's mandatory reading for everybody, okay?
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ืื’ื‘, ื–ื” ืกืคืจ ื—ื•ื‘ื” ืœื›ื•ืœื, ืื•ืงื™ื™?
15:41
You stood up because the book actually puts the spotlight on shamers.
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ืืชื” ืžืชื™ื™ืฆื‘ ื›ื ื’ื“ ื‘ื’ืœืœ ืฉื”ืกืคืจ ืœืžืขืฉื” ืžื›ื•ื•ืŸ ืืช ื”ื–ืจืงื•ืจ ืขืœ ื”ืžื‘ื™ื™ืฉื™ื.
15:46
And I assume you didn't only have friendly reactions on Twitter.
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ื•ืื ื™ ืžื ื™ื— ืฉืœื ืงื™ื‘ืœืช ืจืง ืชื’ื•ื‘ื•ืช ื™ื“ื™ื“ื•ืชื™ื•ืช ื‘ื˜ื•ื•ื™ื˜ืจ.
15:49
JR: It didn't go down that well with some people.
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ื’'.ืจ.: ื–ื” ืœื ืขื‘ืจ ื›ืœ ื›ืš ื˜ื•ื‘ ืขื ื›ืžื” ืื ืฉื™ื.
15:51
(Laughter)
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(ืฆื—ื•ืง)
15:52
I mean, you don't want to just concentrate --
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ืื ื™ ืžืชื›ื•ื•ืŸ, ืืชื” ืœื ืจื•ืฆื” ืจืง ืœื”ืชืจื›ื– -
15:55
because lots of people understood, and were really nice about the book.
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ื›ื™ ื”ืจื‘ื” ืื ืฉื™ื ื”ื‘ื™ื ื•, ื•ื”ื™ื• ืžืžืฉ ื ื—ืžื“ื™ื ื‘ืขื ื™ื™ืŸ ื”ืกืคืจ.
15:58
But yeah, for 30 years I've been writing stories about abuses of power,
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ืื‘ืœ ื›ืŸ, ื‘ืžืฉืš 30 ืฉื ื™ื ืื ื™ ื›ื‘ืจ ื›ื•ืชื‘ ืกื™ืคื•ืจื™ื ืขืœ ื ื™ืฆื•ืœ ืœืจืขื” ืฉืœ ื›ื•ื—,
16:01
and when I say the powerful people over there in the military,
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ื•ื›ืฉืื ื™ ืื•ืžืจ ื”ืื ืฉื™ื ื”ื—ื–ืงื™ื ืฉื ื‘ืฆื‘ื,
16:05
or in the pharmaceutical industry, everybody applauds me.
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ืื• ื‘ืชืขืฉื™ื™ืช ื”ืชืจื•ืคื•ืช, ื›ื•ืœื ืžื•ื—ืื™ื ืœื™ ื›ืคื™ื™ื.
16:07
As soon as I say, "We are the powerful people abusing our power now,"
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ื‘ืจื’ืข ืฉืื ื™ ืื•ืžืจ, "ืื ื—ื ื• ื”ืื ืฉื™ื ื”ื—ื–ืงื™ื ืฉืžื ืฆืœื™ื ืœืจืขื” ืืช ื”ื›ื•ื— ืฉืœื ื• ืขื›ืฉื™ื•, "
16:12
I get people saying, "Well you must be a racist too."
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ืื ื™ ืฉื•ืžืข ืื ืฉื™ื ืื•ืžืจื™ื, "ื•ื‘ื›ืŸ, ืืชื” ื—ื™ื™ื‘ ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ื’ื–ืขื ื™. ื’ื ื›ืŸ"
16:15
BG: So the other night -- yesterday -- we were at dinner,
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ื‘.ื’.: ืื– ืืชืžื•ืœ ื‘ืœื™ืœื” -- ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ื‘ืืจื•ื—ืช ืขืจื‘,
16:17
and there were two discussions going on.
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ื•ื”ืชื ื”ืœื• ืฉื ื™ ื“ื™ื•ื ื™ื.
16:19
On one side you were talking with people around the table --
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ื‘ืฆื“ ืื—ื“ ืืชื” ืžื“ื‘ืจ ืขื ืื ืฉื™ื ืกื‘ื™ื‘ ื”ืฉื•ืœื—ืŸ -
16:22
and that was a nice, constructive discussion.
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ื•ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื“ื™ื•ืŸ ืงื•ื ืกื˜ืจื•ืงื˜ื™ื‘ื™ ื ื—ืžื“,
16:24
On the other, every time you turned to your phone,
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ื‘ืฆื“ ื”ืฉื ื™, ื‘ื›ืœ ืคืขื ืฉืืชื” ืคื ื™ืช ืœื˜ืœืคื•ืŸ ืฉืœืš
16:27
there is this deluge of insults.
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ื™ืฉ ืžื‘ื•ืœ ืฉืœ ืขืœื‘ื•ื ื•ืช.
16:28
JR: Yeah. This happened last night. We had like a TED dinner last night.
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ื’'.ืจ.: ื›ืŸ, ื–ื” ืงืจื” ืืชืžื•ืœ ื‘ืขืจื‘. ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืœื ื• ืืจื•ื—ืช TED ืืชืžื•ืœ ื‘ืขืจื‘.
16:32
We were chatting and it was lovely and nice, and I decided to check Twitter.
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ืคื˜ืคื˜ื ื• ื•ื”ื™ื” ืžืงืกื™ื ื•ื ื—ืžื“, ื•ื”ื—ืœื˜ืชื™ ืœื‘ื“ื•ืง ืืช ื”ื˜ื•ื•ื™ื˜ืจ.
16:36
Somebody said, "You are a white supremacist."
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ืžื™ืฉื”ื• ืืžืจ, "ืืชื” ืกื•ืคืจืžืฆ'ื™ืกื˜ ืœื‘ืŸ."
16:38
And then I went back and had a nice conversation with somebody,
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ื•ื•ืื– ืฉื‘ืชื™ ื•ื”ื™ื™ืชื” ืœื™ ืฉื™ื—ื” ื ื—ืžื“ื” ืขื ืžื™ืฉื”ื•,
16:41
and then I went back to Twitter,
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ื•ืœืื—ืจ ืžื›ืŸ ื—ื–ืจืชื™ ืœื˜ื•ื•ื™ื˜ืจ,
16:42
somebody said my very existence made the world a worse place.
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ืžื™ืฉื”ื• ืืžืจ ืฉืขืฆื ื”ืงื™ื•ื ืฉืœื™ ื”ืคืš ืืช ื”ืขื•ืœื ืœืžืงื•ื ื’ืจื•ืข ื™ื•ืชืจ .
16:46
My friend Adam Curtis says
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ื”ื—ื‘ืจ ืฉืœื™ ืื“ื ืงืจื˜ื™ืก ืื•ืžืจ
16:48
that maybe the Internet is like a John Carpenter movie from the 1980s,
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ืฉืื•ืœื™ ื”ืื™ื ื˜ืจื ื˜ ื”ื•ื ื›ืžื• ืกืจื˜ ืžืฉื ื•ืช ื”-80 ืฉืœ ื’'ื•ืŸ ืงืจืคื ื˜ืจ,
16:52
when eventually everyone will start screaming at each other
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ื›ืืฉืจ ื‘ืกื•ืคื• ืฉืœ ื“ื‘ืจ ื›ื•ืœื ื™ืชื—ื™ืœื• ืœืฆืขื•ืง ื–ื” ืขืœ ื–ื”
16:55
and shooting each other, and then eventually everybody
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ื•ืœื™ืจื•ืช ื–ื” ื‘ื–ื” ื•ืื– ืœื‘ืกื•ืฃ ื›ื•ืœื
16:58
would flee to somewhere safer,
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ื™ื‘ืจื—ื• ืœืžืงื•ื ื‘ื˜ื•ื— ื™ื•ืชืจ,
17:00
and I'm starting to think of that as a really nice option.
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ื•ืื ื™ ืžืชื—ื™ืœ ืœื—ืฉื•ื‘ ืขืœ ื–ื” ื›ืขืœ ืื•ืคืฆื™ื” ืžืžืฉ ื ื—ืžื“ื”.
17:04
BG: Jon, thank you. JR: Thank you, Bruno.
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ื‘.ื’.: ื’'ื•ืŸ, ืชื•ื“ื”. ื’'.ืจ: ืชื•ื“ื” ืœืš, ื‘ืจื•ื ื•.
17:06
(Applause)
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ืžื—ื™ืื•ืช ื›ืคื™ื™ื)
ืขืœ ืืชืจ ื–ื”

ืืชืจ ื–ื” ื™ืฆื™ื’ ื‘ืคื ื™ื›ื ืกืจื˜ื•ื ื™ YouTube ื”ืžื•ืขื™ืœื™ื ืœืœื™ืžื•ื“ ืื ื’ืœื™ืช. ืชื•ื›ืœื• ืœืจืื•ืช ืฉื™ืขื•ืจื™ ืื ื’ืœื™ืช ื”ืžื•ืขื‘ืจื™ื ืขืœ ื™ื“ื™ ืžื•ืจื™ื ืžื”ืฉื•ืจื” ื”ืจืืฉื•ื ื” ืžืจื—ื‘ื™ ื”ืขื•ืœื. ืœื—ืฅ ืคืขืžื™ื™ื ืขืœ ื”ื›ืชื•ื‘ื™ื•ืช ื‘ืื ื’ืœื™ืช ื”ืžื•ืฆื’ื•ืช ื‘ื›ืœ ื“ืฃ ื•ื™ื“ืื• ื›ื“ื™ ืœื”ืคืขื™ืœ ืืช ื”ืกืจื˜ื•ืŸ ืžืฉื. ื”ื›ืชื•ื‘ื™ื•ืช ื’ื•ืœืœื•ืช ื‘ืกื ื›ืจื•ืŸ ืขื ื”ืคืขืœืช ื”ื•ื•ื™ื“ืื•. ืื ื™ืฉ ืœืš ื”ืขืจื•ืช ืื• ื‘ืงืฉื•ืช, ืื ื ืฆื•ืจ ืื™ืชื ื• ืงืฉืจ ื‘ืืžืฆืขื•ืช ื˜ื•ืคืก ื™ืฆื™ืจืช ืงืฉืจ ื–ื”.

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