Beverly + Dereck Joubert: Life lessons from big cats

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00:15
Beverly Joubert: We are truly passionate
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Beverly Joubert: Mi doista imamo strast
00:17
about the African wilderness
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za afričkom divljinom
00:19
and protecting the African wilderness,
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i očuvanjem afričke divljine.
00:21
and so what we've done
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I ono što smo učinili
00:23
is we've focused on iconic cats.
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jest da smo se fokusirali na ikonske mačke.
00:26
And I know,
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I znam,
00:28
in the light of human suffering and poverty
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u usporedbi s ljudskom patnjom i siromaštvom
00:30
and even climate change,
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čak i klimatskim promjenama,
00:32
one would wonder,
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neki će se pitati,
00:34
why worry about a few cats?
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zašto brinuti o nekoliko mačaka?
00:37
Well today we're here
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Danas smo ovdje
00:39
to share with you a message that we have learned
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kako bi s vama podijelili poruku koju smo naučili
00:41
from a very important and special character --
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od veoma važnog i posebnog lika --
00:44
this leopard.
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ove leopardice.
00:46
Dereck Joubert: Well, our lives have basically been
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Dereck Joubert: Naši životi su, u osnovi, bili
00:49
like a super long episode of "CSI" --
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kao super dugačka epizoda serije "CSI" --
00:51
something like 28 years.
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kojih 28 godina.
00:54
In essence, what we've done
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U suštini, ono što smo učinili
00:56
is we've studied the science, we've looked at the behavior,
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jest da smo proučavali znanost, promatrali smo ponašanje,
00:58
we've seen over 2,000 kills
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vidjeli smo više od 2.000 ubojstava
01:00
by these amazing animals.
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od ovih zadivljujućih životinja.
01:03
But one of the things that science really lets us down on
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Ali jedna od stvari za koju nam znanost služi,
01:06
is that personality,
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jest ta osobnost,
01:08
that individual personality that these animals have.
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ta individualna osobnost koju te životinje imaju.
01:12
And here's a prime example.
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A ovo je prvoklasni primjer.
01:14
We found this leopard in a 2,000-year-old
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Pronašli smo ovu leopardicu na 2.000 godina starom
01:16
baobab tree in Africa,
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drvu baobaba u Africi,
01:18
the same tree that we found her mother in
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na istom drvu gdje smo pronašli njenu majku
01:20
and her grandmother.
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i njenu baku.
01:22
And she took us on a journey
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I ona nas je odvela na putovanje
01:25
and revealed something very special to us --
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i otkrila nam nešto veoma posebno --
01:28
her own daughter, eight days old.
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njezinu vlastitu kćer, osam dana staru.
01:30
And the minute we found this leopard,
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I u trenutku kada smo otkrili tu leopardicu,
01:32
we realized that we needed to move in,
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shvatili smo kako se moramo približiti.
01:34
and so we basically stayed with this leopard
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I, zapravo, ostali smo s tom leopardicom
01:36
for the next four-and-a-half years --
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iduće četiri i pol godine --
01:38
following her every day,
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prateći je svaki dan,
01:40
getting to know her,
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upoznajući je,
01:42
that individual personality of hers,
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njezinu individualnu osobnost,
01:44
and really coming to know her.
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i doista smo je počeli poznavati.
01:46
Now I'm destined
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Predodređen sam
01:49
to spend a lot of time
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da provodim mnogo vremena
01:51
with some unique,
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s nekim jedinstvenim,
01:53
very, very special,
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vrlo, vrlo posebnim
01:55
individualistic
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individualiziranim
01:57
and often seductive female characters.
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i često zavodljivim ženskim likovima.
02:00
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
02:02
Beverly's clearly one of them,
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Beverly je, očito, jedna od njih,
02:05
and this little leopard, Legadema, is another,
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a ova mala leopardica, Legadema, je druga,
02:08
and she changed our lives.
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i promijenila je naše živote.
02:10
BJ: Well we certainly did spend a lot of time with her --
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BJ: Uistinu smo proveli mnogo vremena s njom --
02:13
in fact, more time than even her mother did.
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zapravo, više vremena nego njezina majka.
02:15
When her mother would go off hunting,
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Kada bi njezina majka otišla u lov,
02:17
we would stay and film.
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mi bi ostali i snimali.
02:19
And early on, a lightning bolt hit a tree
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Ranije, grom je udario u drvo
02:22
20 paces away from us.
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20 koraka od nas.
02:24
It was frightening,
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Bilo je zastrašujuće.
02:26
and it showered us with leaves and a pungent smell.
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I zasulo nas je s lišćem i s oporim mirisom.
02:29
And of course, we were stunned for a while,
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I naravno, stajali smo neko vrijeme,
02:31
but when we managed to get our wits about us,
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ali kada smo se uspjeli trgnuti iz straha koji je bio u nama,
02:34
we looked at it and said, "My gosh,
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pogledali smo i rekli, "Moj Bože,
02:36
what's going to happen with that little cub?
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što će se dogoditi s tim malim mladunčetom?
02:38
She's probably going to forever associate
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Vjerojatno će uvijek povezivati
02:40
that deafening crash with us."
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taj zaglušujući udar sa nama."
02:43
Well, we needn't have worried.
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Nismo trebali brinuti.
02:45
She came charging out of the thicket straight towards us,
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Dotrčala je iz šipražja ravno k nama,
02:48
sat next to us, shivering,
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sjela do nas, drhteći,
02:51
with her back towards Dereck, and looking out.
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s leđima okrenutim prema Derecku, i s pogledom prema van.
02:54
And actually from that day on,
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I zapravo, od tog dana nadalje,
02:56
she's been comfortable with us.
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ona se priviknula na nas.
02:58
So we felt that that day
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Stoga smo osjetili kako je taj dan
03:00
was the day that she really earned her name.
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bio dan kada je uistinu zaslužila svoje ime.
03:02
We called her Legadema,
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Nazvali smo je Legadema,
03:04
which means, "light from the sky."
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što znači "svjetlo s neba".
03:07
DJ: Now we've found these individualisms
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DJ: Pronašli smo tu vrstu individualizma
03:09
in all sorts of animals,
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u svim vrstama životinja,
03:11
in particular in the cats.
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naročito u mačkama.
03:13
This particular one is called Eetwidomayloh,
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Ovaj poseban, je nazvan Eetwidomayloh,
03:15
"he who greets with fire,"
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"onaj koji pozdravlja s vatrom".
03:17
and you can just see that about him, you know -- that's his character.
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I upravo to možete vidjeti u njemu, znate -- to je njegov karakter.
03:20
But only by getting up close to these animals
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Ali, samo s približavanjem tim životinjama
03:22
and spending time with them
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i provođenjem vremena s njima,
03:24
can we actually even reach out
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možemo u stvari doista posegnuti van
03:26
and dig out these personal characters that they have.
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i iskopati te specifične karaktere koje imaju.
03:28
BJ: But through our investigation,
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BJ: No, tijekom naše istrage,
03:30
we have to seek the wildest places in Africa.
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moramo tražiti najdivljija mjesta u Africi.
03:33
And right now this is in the Okavango Delta
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A ovo ovdje je u Delti Okavango
03:35
in Botswana.
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u Bocvani.
03:37
Yes, it is swamp. We live in the swamp in a tent,
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Da, to je močvara. Živimo u močvari u šatoru.
03:40
but I must tell you, every day is exhilarating.
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Ali moram vam reći, svaki dan je stimulirajući.
03:43
But also, our hearts are in our throats
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Ali ujedno, naša srca su nam u grlima
03:45
a huge amount of the time,
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ogroman dio vremena,
03:47
because we're driving through water,
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jer se vozimo kroz vodu,
03:49
and it's an unknown territory.
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a to je nepoznato područje.
03:51
But we're really there
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Ali, zapravo, mi smo tamo
03:53
seeking and searching and filming the iconic cats.
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tražeći i snimajući ikonske mačke.
03:56
DJ: Now one of the big things, of course,
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DJ: Jedna od velikih stvari, naravno,
03:58
everybody knows that cats hate water,
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svi znamo kako mačke mrze vodu.
04:01
and so this was a real revelation for us.
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I stoga je ovo bilo pravo otkriće za nas.
04:03
And we could only find this by pushing ourselves,
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A to smo mogli naći samo potičući se,
04:06
by going where no sane person should go --
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odlazeći gdje nijedna prisebna osoba ne bi išla --
04:11
not without some prompting, by the way, from Beverly --
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ne bez malo poticaja, usput rečeno, od Beverly --
04:14
and just pushing the envelope,
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i jednostavno gurajući omotnicu,
04:16
going out there, pushing our vehicle, pushing ourselves.
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odlazeći tamo, gurajući naše vozilo, potičući nas same.
04:19
But we've managed to find that these lions
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Uspijeli smo otkriti kako su ti lavovi
04:21
are 15 percent bigger than any others,
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15 posto veći od ostalih,
04:23
and they specialize in hunting buffalo in the water.
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i da se specijaliziraju za lov na bizone u vodi.
04:27
BJ: And then of course, the challenge
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BJ: I tada, naravno, izazov
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is knowing when to turn around.
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je znati kada se treba okrenuti natrag.
04:32
We don't always get that right,
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Ne polazi nam uvijek to za rukom.
04:34
and on this particular day,
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A na taj specifičan dan,
04:36
we seriously underestimated the depth.
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ozbiljno smo podcijenili dubinu.
04:39
We got deeper and deeper,
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Išli smo dublje i dublje,
04:41
until it was at Dereck's chest-height.
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do dubine Dereckovih prsa.
04:43
Well then we hit a deep depression,
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Zatim smo došli u jako duboki dio,
04:46
and we seriously submerged the vehicle.
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i ozbiljno smo potopili vozilo.
04:49
We actually managed to drown
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Uspjeli smo, zapravo, potopiti
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two million dollars' worth of camera gear.
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opremu za kameru u vrijednosti od dva milijuna dolara.
04:54
We drowned our pride, I must tell you,
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Potopili smo naš ponos, moram vam reći,
04:56
which was really serious,
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što je bilo doista ozbiljno,
04:58
and we seized the engine.
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i uspjeli smo spasiti motor.
05:01
DJ: And of course, one of the rules that we have in the vehicle
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DJ: I, naravno, jedno od pravila koje imamo u vozilu
05:03
is that he who drowns the vehicle
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je da onaj tko potopi vozilo
05:05
gets to swim with the crocodiles.
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pliva s krokodilima.
05:07
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
05:09
You will notice also that all of these images here
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Primjetit ćete, ujedno, da je sve ove slike ovdje
05:11
are taken from the top angle by Beverly --
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Beverly poslikala iz gornjeg kuta --
05:13
the dry top angle, by the way.
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suhog gornjeg kuta, usput rečeno.
05:15
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
05:18
But all the places we get stuck in really have great views.
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Ali sva mjesta na kojima zaglavimo imaju prekrasne poglede.
05:21
And it wasn't a moment, and these lions came back towards us,
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I nije prošao ni trenutak, a ti lavovi su krenuli prema nama,
05:24
and Beverly was able to get a great photograph.
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i Beverly je uspijela dobiti odličnu fotografiju.
05:26
BJ: But we truly do
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BJ: Ali, doista,
05:28
spend day and night
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provodimo dan i noć
05:30
trying to capture unique footage.
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pokušavajući uhvatiti jedinstvene snimke.
05:32
And 20 years ago,
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Prije 20 godina,
05:34
we did a film called "Eternal Enemies"
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napravili smo film zvan "Vječni neprijatelji"
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where we managed to capture
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gdje smo uspjeli uhvatiti
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this unusual disturbing behavior across two species --
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ovo neobično uznemiravajuće ponašanje dviju vrsta --
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lions and hyenas.
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lavova i hijena.
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And surprisingly, it became a cult film.
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Iznenađujuće, postao je kultni film.
05:46
And we can only work that out
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I jedini način na koji to možemo dokučiti je
05:48
as people were seeing parallels
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kroz ljude koji vide paralele
05:50
between the thuggish side of nature
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između daviteljske strane prirode
05:53
and gang warfare.
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i ratnog sukoba između bandi.
05:55
DJ: It was amazing, because you can see that this lion
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DJ: Bilo je nevjerojatno, jer možete vidjeti kako ovaj lav
05:58
is doing exactly what his name,
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čini upravo ono što njegovo ime,
06:00
Eetwidomayloh, represents.
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Eetwidomayloh, predstavlja.
06:02
He's focused on this hyena,
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On je fokusiran na ovu hijenu,
06:04
and he is going to get it.
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i ulovit će je.
06:07
(Animal sounds)
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(Životinjski zvukovi)
06:11
But that's, I think, what this is all about,
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Ali to je, mislim, ono o čemu se radi,
06:14
is that these individuals have these personalities and characters.
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da ti pojedinci imaju te osobnosti i karaktere.
06:17
But for us to get them, not only do we push ourselves,
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Ali za nas da ih dobijemo, ne samo da moramo gurati sami sebe,
06:20
but we live by certain rules of engagement,
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već živimo prema određenim pravilima angažmana,
06:23
which mean we can't interfere.
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što znači da se ne smijemo miješati.
06:25
This sort of behavior has been going on
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Taj oblik ponašanja se događa
06:27
for three, four, five million years,
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već tri, četiri, pet milijuna godina,
06:29
and we can't step in and say, "That's wrong, and that's right."
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i ne možemo zakoračiti unutra i reći, "To je krivo, a to je pravilno."
06:32
But that's not always easy for us.
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Ali to nama nije uvijek lako.
06:35
BJ: So, as Dereck says,
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BJ: Kao što Dereck kaže,
06:37
we have to work through extremes --
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moramo raditi u ekstremnim uvjetima --
06:39
extreme temperatures, push ourselves at night.
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ekstremne temperature, gurati nas tijekom noći.
06:41
Sleep deprivation is extreme.
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Nedostatak sna je ekstreman.
06:44
We're on the edge
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Na granici smo
06:46
through a large part of the time.
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velik dio vremena.
06:48
But, for 10 years, we tried to capture
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10 godina smo pokušavali uhvatiti
06:50
lions and elephants together --
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lavove i slonove zajedno --
06:53
and never ever managed
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i nikad, ikad nismo uspjeli
06:55
until this particular night.
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sve do ove specifične noći.
06:58
And I have to tell you
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I moram vam reći
07:00
that it was a disturbing night for me.
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da je to bila uznemirujuća noć za mene.
07:02
I had tears rolling down my cheeks.
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Suze su mi klizile niz obraze.
07:04
I was shaking with anxiety,
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Tresla sam se od tjeskobe.
07:07
but I knew that [I had] to capture something
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Ali znala sam to da bi se uhvatilo nešto
07:09
that had never been seen before, had never been documented.
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što nikad prije nije bilo viđeno, što nikad prije nije bilo dokumentirano.
07:12
And I do believe you should stay with us.
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I vjerujem kako biste trebali ostati s nama.
07:16
DJ: The amazing thing about these moments --
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DJ: Nevjerojatna stvar o tim trenucima --
07:18
and this is probably a highlight of our career --
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a to je vjerojatno vrhunac naše karijere --
07:21
is that you never know how it's going to end.
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jest da nikada ne znate kako će završiti.
07:30
Many people believe, in fact,
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Mnogi ljudi vjeruju, u biti,
07:32
that death begins in the eyes, not in the heart,
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kako smrt počinje u očima, ne u srcu,
07:34
not in the lungs,
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ne u plućima.
07:36
and that's when people give up hope,
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A tada se ljudi odreknu nade,
07:38
or when any life form gives up hope.
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ili bilo koji oblik života se odrekne nade.
07:40
And you can see the start of it here.
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I možete vidjeti početak toga ovdje.
07:44
This elephant, against overwhelming odds,
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Ovaj slon, protivno pobjedničkim izgledima,
07:47
simply gives up hope.
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jednostavo se odrekao nade.
08:01
But by the same token,
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Ali, pomoću istog znaka,
08:04
you can get your hope back again.
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možete vratiti svoju nadu.
08:08
So just when you think it's all over, something else happens,
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Stoga, kada mislite da je sve gotovo, nešto drugo se dogodi,
08:11
some spark gets into you,
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neka iskra uđe u vas,
08:13
some sort of will to fight --
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neka vrste volje za borbom --
08:16
that iron will that we all have,
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ta željezna volja koju svi imamo,
08:18
that this elephant has,
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koju ovaj slon ima,
08:20
that conservation has, that big cats have.
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koju konzervacija ima, koju velike mačke imaju.
08:23
Everything has that will to survive,
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Sve ima tu volju za preživjeti,
08:26
to fight, to push through that mental barrier
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za boriti se, za proći kroz tu mentalnu barijeru
08:28
and to keep going.
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i nastaviti ići dalje.
08:31
And for us, in many ways,
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I za nas, na mnoge načine,
08:33
this elephant has become
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ovaj slon je postao
08:35
a symbol of inspiration for us,
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simbolom naše inspiracije,
08:37
a symbol of that hope as we go forward in our work.
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simbolom nade za napredak u našem poslu.
08:40
(Applause)
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(Pljesak)
08:51
Now back to the leopard.
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Sada, natrag na leopardicu.
08:53
We were spending so much time with this leopard
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Provodili smo tako mnogo vremena s tom leopardicom
08:55
and getting to understand her individualism,
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i počeli smo shvaćati njezin individualizam,
08:57
her personal character,
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njezin specifični karakter,
08:59
that maybe we were taking it a little bit far.
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da smo, možda, otišli malo predaleko.
09:02
We were perhaps taking her for granted,
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Možda smo je uzimali zdravo za gotovo,
09:04
and maybe she didn't like that that much.
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a njoj se možda to i nije previše sviđalo.
09:06
This is about couples working together,
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Radi se o parovima koji rade zajedno,
09:08
and so I do need to say that within the vehicle
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i zato moram reći kako unutar vozila
09:11
we have quite strict territories, Beverly and I.
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imamo prilično stroga područja, Beverly i ja.
09:14
Beverly sits on the one side
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Beverly sjedi na jednoj strani
09:16
where all her camera gear is,
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gdje se nalazi sva njezina kamermanska oprema,
09:18
and I'm on the other side where my space is.
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a ja sam na drugoj strani gdje je moj prostor.
09:21
These are precious to us, these divides.
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One su dragocjene za nas, te razdiobe.
09:24
BJ: But when this little cub saw
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BJ: Ali kada je to malo mladunče vidjelo
09:26
that I had vacated my seat
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da sam ja napustila svoje mjesto
09:28
and climbed to the back to get some camera gear,
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i otišla iza po još kamermanske opreme,
09:30
she came in like a curious cat
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ušla je unutra poput znatiželjne mačke
09:32
to come and investigate.
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da dođe i istraži.
09:34
It was phenomenal, and we felt grateful
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Bilo je fenomenalno, i osjećali smo zahvalnost
09:37
that she trusted us to that extent.
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što nam je vjerovala do te granice.
09:39
But at the same time, we were concerned
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Ali, u isto vrijeme, bili smo zabrinuti
09:41
that if she created this as a habit
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da ako ona to pretvori u naviku
09:43
and jumped into somebody else's car,
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i skoči u nečiji drugi auto,
09:45
it might not turn out the same way --
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da ne bi moglo završiti na isti način --
09:47
she might get shot for that.
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mogla bi biti upucana zbog toga.
09:49
So we knew we had to react quickly.
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Stoga smo znali kako moramo brzo reagirati.
09:52
And the only way we thought we could
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I jedini način kojeg smo se dosjetili,
09:55
without scaring her
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bez da je uplašimo,
09:57
is to try and simulate a growl like her mother would make --
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je da pokušamo simulirati režanje poput njezine majke --
09:59
a hiss and a sound.
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siktanje i zvuk.
10:01
So Dereck turned on the heater fan in the car --
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Dereck je stoga upalio grijanje u autu --
10:03
very innovative.
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veoma inovativno.
10:05
DJ: It was the only way for me to save the marriage,
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DJ: Bio je to jedini način za mene da spasim brak,
10:07
because Beverly felt she was being replaced, you see.
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jer, vidite, Beverly se osjećala nadomještenom.
10:09
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
10:12
But really and truly, this was how
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Ali, doista, ovako je
10:14
this little leopard was displaying
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ova mala leopardica iskazivala
10:16
her individual personality.
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svoju osobnost.
10:18
But nothing prepared us
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Ali ništa nas nije pripremilo
10:20
for what happened next in our relationship with her,
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za ono što se sljedeće dogodilo u našoj vezi s njom,
10:22
when she started hunting.
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kada je počela loviti.
10:24
BJ: And on this first hunt, we truly were excited.
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BJ: Na tom prvom lovu, bili smo uistinu uzbuđeni.
10:27
It was like watching a graduation ceremony.
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Kao da gledam proslavu promocije.
10:29
We felt like we were surrogate parents.
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Osjećali smo se poput zamjenskih roditelja.
10:31
And of course, we knew now
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I, naravno, sada smo znali
10:33
that she was going to survive.
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da će preživjeti.
10:35
But only when we saw the tiny baby baboon
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Ali tek kada smo vidjeli ovu sićušnu bebu pavijana,
10:38
clinging to the mother's fur
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priljepljenu na majčino krzno
10:40
did we realize that something very unique
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shvatili smo da se nešto veoma jedinstveno
10:42
was taking place here with Legadema.
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događa ovdje s Legademom.
10:45
And of course, the baby baboon was so innocent,
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I, naravno, mali pavijan je bio toliko nevin,
10:48
it didn't turn and run.
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nije se okrenuo i otrčao.
10:50
So what we watched
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Ono što smo promatrali
10:52
over the next couple of hours
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kroz idućih par sati
10:54
was very unique.
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je bilo veoma jedinstveno.
10:57
It was absolutely amazing
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Bilo je potpuno zadivljujuće
10:59
when she picked it up to safety,
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kada ga je odnijela na sigurno,
11:01
protecting it from the hyena.
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štiteći ga od hijena.
11:04
And over the next five hours,
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I kroz idućih pet sati,
11:07
she took care of it.
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vodila je brigu o njemu.
11:09
We realized that we actually don't know everything,
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Shvatili smo da, zapravo, ne znamo sve,
11:12
and that nature is so unpredictable,
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i da je priroda toliko nepredvidljiva,
11:16
we have to be open at all times.
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da moramo biti otvoreni prema njoj svo vrijeme.
11:19
DJ: Okay, so she was a little bit rough.
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DJ: U redu, bila je pomalo gruba.
11:21
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
11:26
But in fact,
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Ali, u biti,
11:30
what we were seeing here was interesting.
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ono što smo vidjeli ovdje je bilo zanimljivo.
11:33
Because she is a cub wanting to play,
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Jer ona je mladunče željno igre,
11:36
but she was also a predator needing to kill,
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ali ujedno je bila i grabljivica s instinktom za ubijanje,
11:39
and yet conflicted in some way,
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i donekle sukobljena,
11:41
because she was also an emerging mother.
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jer je bila još i majka u nastajanju.
11:44
She had this maternal instinct,
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Imala je taj materinji instinkt,
11:46
much like a young girl on her way to womanhood,
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kao što ima i mlada djevojka na svom putu ka ženstvenosti.
11:50
and so this really took us to this new level
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I tako nas je to doista odvelo na tu novu razinu
11:53
of understanding that personality.
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razumijevanja te osobnosti.
11:58
BJ: And of course, through the night, they lay together.
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BJ: I, naravno, tijekom noći, ležali su zajedno.
12:01
They ended up sleeping for hours.
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Spavali su satima.
12:03
But I have to tell you --
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Ali, moram vam reći -
12:05
everybody always asks, "What happened to the baby baboon?"
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svi uvijek pitaju, "Što se dogodilo bebi pavijanu?"
12:07
It did die,
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Uginuo je.
12:09
and we suspect it was from the freezing winter nights.
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I mi sumnjamo na smrzavajuće zimske noći.
12:13
DJ: So at this stage, I guess,
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DJ: Dakle, u ovom stadiju, nagađam,
12:15
we had very, very firm ideas
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imali smo jako, jako čvrste ideje
12:17
on what conservation meant.
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o značenju očuvanja.
12:19
We had to deal with these individual personalities.
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Morali smo se nositi s tim specifičnim osobnostima.
12:22
We had to deal with them with respect
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Morali smo se odnositi prema njima s poštovanjem
12:25
and celebrate them.
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i slaviti ih.
12:27
And so we, with the National Geographic, formed the Big Cats Initiative
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I tako smo mi, s National Geographicom, pokrenuli "Inicijativu velikih mačaka"
12:30
to march forward into conservation,
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kako bi koračali naprijed prema očuvanju,
12:32
taking care of the big cats that we loved --
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vodeći brigu o velikim mačkama koje smo voljeli --
12:34
and then had an opportunity to look back over the last 50 years
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i imajući priliku gledati unatrag posljednjih 50 godina
12:37
to see how well we had all collectively been doing.
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i vidjeti kakav smo napredak zajednički ostvarili.
12:40
So when Beverly and I were born,
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Kada smo Beverly i ja rođeni,
12:42
there were 450,000 lions,
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bilo je 450.000 lavova,
12:44
and today there are 20,000.
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a danas ih ima 20.000.
12:47
Tigers haven't fared any better --
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Ni tigrovi nisu imali bolji put -
12:49
45,000
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s 45.000
12:51
down to maybe 3,000.
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na možda 3.000.
12:53
BJ: And then cheetahs have crashed
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BJ: A gepardi su se smanjili
12:55
all the way down to 12,000.
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na svega 12.000.
12:57
Leopards have plummeted
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Leopardi su pali
12:59
from 700,000
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sa 700.000
13:01
down to a mere 50,000.
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na pukih 50.000.
13:03
Now in the extraordinary time
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U ovom izvanrednom vremenu
13:05
that we have worked with Legadema --
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u kojem smo radili s Legademom,
13:07
which is really over a five-year period --
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što je zapravo period od pet godina --
13:09
10,000 leopards were legally shot
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10.000 leoparda je bilo legalno ubijeno
13:12
by safari hunters.
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od strane lovaca na safarijima.
13:14
And that's not the only leopards
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A to nisu jedini leopardi
13:16
that were being killed through that period.
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koji su ubijeni u tom periodu.
13:18
There's an immense amount of poaching as well,
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Postoji neizmjerna količina lovokrađe.
13:21
and so possibly the same amount.
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Moguće čak i u istoj količini.
13:23
It's simply not sustainable.
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Jednostavno nije održivo.
13:25
We admire them,
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Divimo im se,
13:27
and we fear them,
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i bojimo ih se.
13:29
and yet, as man, we want to steal their power.
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A ipak, kao ljudi, želimo ukrasti njihove moći.
13:34
It used to be the time
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Bila su vremena
13:36
where only kings wore a leopard skin,
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kada su samo kraljevi nosili kožu leoparda,
13:39
but now throughout rituals and ceremonies,
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ali sada kroz rituale i ceremonije,
13:41
traditional healers and ministers.
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tradicionalni iscjelitelji i poslanici.
13:44
And of course, looking at this lion paw
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I, naravno, gledajući ovu lavlju šapu
13:47
that has been skinned,
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kojoj je koža skinuta,
13:49
it eerily reminds me
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jezivo me podsjeća
13:51
of a human hand,
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na ljudsku ruku.
13:53
and that's ironic, because their fate is in our hands.
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A to je ironično, jer njihova sudbina je u našim rukama.
13:56
DJ: There's a burgeoning bone trade.
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DJ: Trgovina kostima je u procvatu.
13:58
South Africa just released some lion bones onto the market.
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Južna Afrika je upravo izbacila nekoliko lavljih kosti na tržište.
14:01
Lion bones and tiger bones look exactly the same,
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Kosti lava i kosti tigra izgledaju potpuno jednako,
14:04
and so in a stroke, the lion bone industry
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i u jednom potezu, industrija lavljih kosti
14:07
is going to wipe out all the tigers.
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će izbrisati sve tigrove.
14:10
So we have a real problem here,
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Dakle, imamo stvaran problem ovdje,
14:12
no more so than the lions do, the male lions.
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ne veći od onog koji imaju lavovi, muški lavovi.
14:15
So the 20,000 lion figure that you just saw
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Brojka od 20.000 lavova koju ste upravo vidjeli
14:18
is actually a red herring,
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je zapravo crvena haringa,
14:20
because there may be 3,000 or 4,000 male lions,
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jer postoji možda tri ili 4.000 muških lavova,
14:23
and they all are actually
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i svi su, zapravo,
14:25
infected with the same disease.
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zaraženi istom bolešću.
14:27
I call it complacency --
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Zove se samozadovoljstvo --
14:29
our complacency.
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naše samozadovoljstvo.
14:31
Because there's a sport, there's an activity going on
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Jer postoji sport, postoji aktivnost u tijeku
14:34
that we're all aware of, that we condone.
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koje smo svi svjesni, a koju opraštamo.
14:40
And that's probably because we haven't seen it
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A to je, vjerojatno, jer je nismo vidjeli
14:42
like we are today.
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kao danas.
14:46
BJ: And you have to know
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BJ: A morate znati
14:48
that, when a male lion is killed,
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da, kada je muški lav ubijen,
14:50
it completely disrupts the whole pride.
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potpuno poremeti cijeli čopor.
14:53
A new male comes into the area
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Novi mužjak dođe na to područje
14:55
and takes over the pride,
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i preuzme čopor,
14:57
and, of course, first of all kills all the cubs
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i naravno, prvo ubije svu mladunčad
15:00
and possibly some of the females that are defending their cubs.
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i moguće neke ženke koje štite svoju mladunčad.
15:03
So we've estimated
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Dakle, procjenjujemo
15:05
that between 20 [and] 30 lions are killed
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da je između 20 do 30 lavova ubijeno
15:08
when one lion is hanging on a wall
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kada jedan lav visi na zidu
15:11
somewhere in a far-off place.
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negdje na dalekom mjestu.
15:13
DJ: So what our investigations have shown
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DJ: Ono što su naša istraživanja pokazala
15:15
is that these lions are essential.
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je da su ti lavovi bitni.
15:17
They're essential to the habitat.
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Oni su bitni za stanište.
15:19
If they disappear,
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Ako oni nestanu,
15:21
whole ecosystems in Africa disappear.
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cijeli ekosustavi u Africi nestanu.
15:24
There's an 80-billion-dollar-a-year
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80 milijardi dolara godišnje
15:26
ecotourism revenue stream into Africa.
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se slijeva u Afriku u obliku prihoda od eko-turizma.
15:29
So this is not just a concern about lions;
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Dakle, to nije samo zabrinutost o lavovima,
15:32
it's a concern about communities in Africa as well.
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to je ujedno, zabrinutost o zajednicama u Africi.
15:35
If they disappear, all of that goes away.
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Ako oni nestanu, sve to će nestati.
15:38
But what I'm more concerned about in many ways
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Ali ono oko čega sam više zabrinut u mnogo pogleda
15:41
is that, as we de-link ourselves from nature,
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je da, kako se odvajamo od prirode,
15:44
as we de-link ourselves spiritually
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kako se duhovno odvajamo
15:46
from these animals,
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od tih životinja,
15:48
we lose hope,
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gubimo nadu,
15:51
we lose that spiritual connection,
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gubimo tu duhovnu povezanost,
15:54
our dignity, that thing within us
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naše dostojansvo, tu stvar u nama
15:57
that keeps us connected to the planet.
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koja nas povezuje s planetom.
15:59
BJ: So you have to know, looking into the eyes
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BJ: Morate znati, gledajući u oči
16:02
of lions and leopards right now,
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lavovima i tigrovima upravo sada,
16:05
it is all about critical awareness.
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radi se o kritičnoj osviještenosti.
16:07
And so what we are doing,
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I ono što radimo,
16:09
in February, we're bringing out a film called "The Last Lion,"
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u veljači, objavljujemo film zvan "Posljednji lav".
16:12
and "The Last Lion" is exactly
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A "Posljednji lav" je upravo
16:14
what is happening right now.
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ono što se događa baš sada.
16:16
That is the situation we're in --
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To je situacija u kojoj se nalazimo --
16:18
the last lions.
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posljednji lavovi.
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That is, if we don't take action and do something,
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To jest, ukoliko ne poduzmemo akciju i napravimo nešto,
16:22
these plains will be completely devoid
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ove ravnice će biti u potpunosti lišene
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of big cats,
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velikih mačaka,
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and then, in turn, everything else will disappear.
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a onda, zauzvrat, sve ostalo će nestati.
16:29
And simply, if we can't protect them,
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I jednostavno, ako ih ne možemo zaštiti,
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we're going to have a job protecting ourselves as well.
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imat ćemo posla štiteći također sebe.
16:34
DJ: And in fact, that original thing that we spoke about
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DJ: I zapravo, izvorna stvar o kojoj smo pričali
16:37
and designed our lives by --
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i prema tome dizajnirali naše živote --
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that conservation was all about respect
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to očuvanje je bilo uvijek o poštovanju
16:41
and celebration --
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i slavlju --
16:43
is probably true. That's really what it needs.
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je vjerojatno istinito; to je ono što trebaju.
16:46
We need it. We respect and celebrate each other
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Mi to trebamo. Poštujemo i slavimo jedni druge
16:49
as a man and a woman, as a community
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kao muškarca i kao ženu, kao zajednicu
16:52
and as part of this planet,
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i kao dio ovog planeta,
16:54
and we need to continue that.
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i moramo nastaviti to činiti.
16:56
And Legadema?
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A Legadema?
16:58
Well we can report, in fact,
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Možemo priopćiti, u biti,
17:00
that we're grandparents.
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da smo baka i djed.
17:02
(Laughter)
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(Smijeh)
17:04
BJ/DJ: Thank you very much.
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BJ/DJ: Puno vam hvala.
17:06
(Applause)
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(Pljesak)
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