What it's like to be a Muslim in America | Dalia Mogahed

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What do you think when you look at me?
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A woman of faith? An expert?
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Maybe even a sister.
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Or oppressed,
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brainwashed,
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a terrorist.
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Or just an airport security line delay.
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That one's actually true.
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(Laughter)
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If some of your perceptions were negative, I don't really blame you.
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That's just how the media has been portraying
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people who look like me.
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One study found
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that 80 percent of news coverage about Islam and Muslims is negative.
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And studies show that Americans say that most don't know a Muslim.
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I guess people don't talk to their Uber drivers.
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(Laughter)
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Well, for those of you who have never met a Muslim,
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it's great to meet you.
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Let me tell you who I am.
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I'm a mom, a coffee lover --
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double espresso, cream on the side.
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I'm an introvert.
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I'm a wannabe fitness fanatic.
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And I'm a practicing, spiritual Muslim.
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But not like Lady Gaga says, because baby, I wasn't born this way.
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It was a choice.
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When I was 17, I decided to come out.
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No, not as a gay person like some of my friends,
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but as a Muslim,
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and decided to start wearing the hijab, my head covering.
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My feminist friends were aghast:
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"Why are you oppressing yourself?"
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The funny thing was,
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it was actually at that time a feminist declaration of independence
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from the pressure I felt as a 17-year-old,
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to conform to a perfect and unattainable standard of beauty.
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I didn't just passively accept the faith of my parents.
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I wrestled with the Quran.
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I read and reflected and questioned and doubted
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and, ultimately, believed.
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My relationship with God -- it was not love at first sight.
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It was a trust and a slow surrender
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that deepened with every reading of the Quran.
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Its rhythmic beauty sometimes moves me to tears.
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I see myself in it. I feel that God knows me.
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Have you ever felt like someone sees you, completely understands you
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and yet loves you anyway?
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That's how it feels.
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And so later, I got married,
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and like all good Egyptians,
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started my career as an engineer.
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(Laughter)
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I later had a child, after getting married,
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and I was living essentially the Egyptian-American dream.
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And then that terrible morning of September, 2001.
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I think a lot of you probably remember exactly where you were that morning.
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I was sitting in my kitchen finishing breakfast,
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and I look up on the screen and see the words "Breaking News."
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There was smoke, airplanes flying into buildings,
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people jumping out of buildings.
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What was this?
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An accident?
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A malfunction?
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My shock quickly turned to outrage.
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Who would do this?
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And I switch the channel and I hear,
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"... Muslim terrorist ...,"
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"... in the name of Islam ...,"
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"... Middle-Eastern descent ...,"
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"... jihad ...,"
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"... we should bomb Mecca."
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Oh my God.
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Not only had my country been attacked,
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but in a flash,
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somebody else's actions had turned me from a citizen
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to a suspect.
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That same day, we had to drive across Middle America
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to move to a new city to start grad school.
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And I remember sitting in the passenger seat
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as we drove in silence,
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crouched as low as I could go in my seat,
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for the first time in my life, afraid for anyone to know I was a Muslim.
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We moved into our apartment that night in a new town
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in what felt like a completely different world.
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And then I was hearing and seeing and reading
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warnings from national Muslim organizations
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saying things like, "Be alert," "Be aware,"
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"Stay in well-lit areas," "Don't congregate."
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I stayed inside all week.
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And then it was Friday that same week,
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the day that Muslims congregate for worship.
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And again the warnings were, "Don't go that first Friday,
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it could be a target."
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And I was watching the news, wall-to-wall coverage.
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Emotions were so raw, understandably,
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and I was also hearing about attacks on Muslims,
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or people who were perceived to be Muslim, being pulled out
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and beaten in the street.
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Mosques were actually firebombed.
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And I thought, we should just stay home.
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And yet, something didn't feel right.
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Because those people who attacked our country
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attacked our country.
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I get it that people were angry at the terrorists.
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Guess what? So was I.
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And so to have to explain yourself all the time isn't easy.
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I don't mind questions. I love questions.
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It's the accusations that are tough.
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Today we hear people actually saying things like,
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"There's a problem in this country, and it's called Muslims.
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When are we going to get rid of them?"
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So, some people want to ban Muslims and close down mosques.
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They talk about my community kind of like we're a tumor
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in the body of America.
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And the only question is, are we malignant or benign?
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You know, a malignant tumor you extract altogether,
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and a benign tumor you just keep under surveillance.
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The choices don't make sense, because it's the wrong question.
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Muslims, like all other Americans, aren't a tumor in the body of America,
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we're a vital organ.
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(Applause)
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Thank you.
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(Applause)
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Muslims are inventors and teachers,
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first responders and Olympic athletes.
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Now, is closing down mosques going to make America safer?
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It might free up some parking spots,
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but it will not end terrorism.
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Going to a mosque regularly is actually linked
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to having more tolerant views of people of other faiths
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and greater civic engagement.
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And as one police chief in the Washington, DC area
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recently told me,
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people don't actually get radicalized at mosques.
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They get radicalized in their basement or bedroom, in front of a computer.
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And what you find about the radicalization process
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is it starts online,
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but the first thing that happens
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is the person gets cut off from their community,
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from even their family,
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so that the extremist group can brainwash them
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into believing that they, the terrorists, are the true Muslims,
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and everyone else who abhors their behavior and ideology
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are sellouts or apostates.
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So if we want to prevent radicalization,
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we have to keep people going to the mosque.
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Now, some will still argue Islam is a violent religion.
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After all, a group like ISIS bases its brutality on the Quran.
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Now, as a Muslim, as a mother, as a human being,
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I think we need to do everything we can to stop a group like ISIS.
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But we would be giving in to their narrative
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if we cast them as representatives of a faith of 1.6 billion people.
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(Applause)
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Thank you.
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ISIS has as much to do with Islam
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as the Ku Klux Klan has to do with Christianity.
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(Applause)
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Both groups claim to base their ideology on their holy book.
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But when you look at them, they're not motivated
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by what they read in their holy book.
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It's their brutality that makes them read these things into the scripture.
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Recently, a prominent imam told me a story that really took me aback.
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He said that a girl came to him
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because she was thinking of going to join ISIS.
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And I was really surprised and asked him,
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had she been in contact with a radical religious leader?
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And he said the problem was quite the opposite,
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that every cleric that she had talked to had shut her down
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and said that her rage, her sense of injustice in the world,
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was just going to get her in trouble.
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And so with nowhere to channel and make sense of this anger,
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she was a prime target to be exploited
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by extremists promising her a solution.
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What this imam did was to connect her back to God and to her community.
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He didn't shame her for her rage -- instead, he gave her constructive ways
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to make real change in the world.
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What she learned at that mosque prevented her from going to join ISIS.
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I've told you a little bit
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about how Islamophobia affects me and my family.
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But how does it impact ordinary Americans?
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How does it impact everyone else?
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How does consuming fear 24 hours a day affect the health of our democracy,
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the health of our free thought?
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Well, one study -- actually, several studies in neuroscience --
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show that when we're afraid, at least three things happen.
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We become more accepting of authoritarianism,
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conformity and prejudice.
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One study showed that when subjects were exposed to news stories
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that were negative about Muslims,
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they became more accepting of military attacks on Muslim countries
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and policies that curtail the rights of American Muslims.
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Now, this isn't just academic.
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When you look at when anti-Muslim sentiment spiked
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between 2001 and 2013,
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it happened three times,
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but it wasn't around terrorist attacks.
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It was in the run up to the Iraq War and during two election cycles.
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So Islamophobia isn't just the natural response to Muslim terrorism
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as I would have expected.
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It can actually be a tool of public manipulation,
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eroding the very foundation of a free society,
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which is rational and well-informed citizens.
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Muslims are like canaries in the coal mine.
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We might be the first to feel it,
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but the toxic air of fear is harming us all.
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(Applause)
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And assigning collective guilt
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isn't just about having to explain yourself all the time.
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Deah and his wife Yusor were a young married couple
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living in Chapel Hill, North Carolina,
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where they both went to school.
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Deah was an athlete.
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He was in dental school, talented, promising ...
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And his sister would tell me that he was the sweetest,
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most generous human being she knew.
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She was visiting him there and he showed her his resume,
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and she was amazed.
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She said, "When did my baby brother become such an accomplished young man?"
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Just a few weeks after Suzanne's visit to her brother and his new wife,
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their neighbor,
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Craig Stephen Hicks,
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murdered them,
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as well as Yusor's sister, Razan, who was visiting for the afternoon,
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in their apartment,
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execution style,
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after posting anti-Muslim statements on his Facebook page.
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He shot Deah eight times.
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So bigotry isn't just immoral, it can even be lethal.
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So, back to my story.
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What happened after 9/11?
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Did we go to the mosque or did we play it safe and stay home?
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Well, we talked it over,
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and it might seem like a small decision, but to us,
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it was about what kind of America we wanted to leave for our kids:
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one that would control us by fear
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or one where we were practicing our religion freely.
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So we decided to go to the mosque.
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And we put my son in his car seat,
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buckled him in, and we drove silently, intensely, to the mosque.
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I took him out, I took off my shoes, I walked into the prayer hall
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and what I saw made me stop.
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The place was completely full.
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And then the imam made an announcement,
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thanking and welcoming our guests,
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because half the congregation
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were Christians, Jews, Buddhists, atheists,
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people of faith and no faith,
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who had come not to attack us, but to stand in solidarity with us.
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(Applause)
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I just break down at this time.
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These people were there because they chose courage and compassion
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over panic and prejudice.
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What will you choose?
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What will you choose at this time of fear and bigotry?
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Will you play it safe?
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Or will you join those who say
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we are better than that?
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Thank you.
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(Applause)
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Thank you so much.
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Helen Walters: So Dalia, you seem to have struck a chord.
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But I wonder,
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what would you say to those who might argue
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that you're giving a TED Talk,
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you're clearly a deep thinker,
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you work at a fancy think tank,
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you're an exception, you're not the rule.
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What would you say to those people?
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Dalia Mogahed: I would say, don't let this stage distract you,
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I'm completely ordinary.
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I'm not an exception.
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My story is not unusual.
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I am as ordinary as they come.
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When you look at Muslims around the world --
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and I've done this, I've done the largest study ever done
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on Muslims around the world --
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people want ordinary things.
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They want prosperity for their family,
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they want jobs
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and they want to live in peace.
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So I am not in any way an exception.
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When you meet people who seem like an exception to the rule,
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oftentimes it's that the rule is broken,
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not that they're an exception to it.
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HW: Thank you so much. Dalia Mogahed.
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(Applause)
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