Daniel H. Cohen: For argument's sake

250,144 views ・ 2013-08-05

TED


Please double-click on the English subtitles below to play the video.

00:13
My name is Dan Cohen and I am an academic, as he said.
0
13267
2666
00:16
And what that means is that I argue.
1
16500
3076
00:19
It's an important part of my life.
2
19600
1643
00:21
And I like to argue.
3
21267
1166
00:22
And I'm not just an academic, I'm a philosopher,
4
22733
3376
00:26
so I like to think that I'm actually pretty good at arguing.
5
26133
2943
00:29
But I also like to think a lot about arguing.
6
29100
2800
00:32
And in thinking about arguing, I've come across some puzzles.
7
32367
3476
00:35
And one of the puzzles is that,
8
35867
1909
00:37
as I've been thinking about arguing over the years --
9
37800
2543
00:40
and it's been decades now --
10
40367
1409
00:41
I've gotten better at arguing.
11
41800
1676
00:43
But the more that I argue and the better I get at arguing,
12
43500
3509
00:47
the more that I lose.
13
47033
1300
00:48
And that's a puzzle.
14
48967
1242
00:50
And the other puzzle is that I'm actually okay with that.
15
50233
2867
00:53
Why is it that I'm okay with losing
16
53500
1843
00:55
and why is it that I think good arguers are actually better at losing?
17
55367
3442
00:58
Well, there are some other puzzles.
18
58833
2010
01:00
One is: why do we argue?
19
60867
1876
01:02
Who benefits from arguments?
20
62767
1642
01:04
When I think about arguments, I'm talking about --
21
64433
2343
01:06
let's call them academic arguments or cognitive arguments --
22
66800
2843
01:09
where something cognitive is at stake:
23
69667
1842
01:11
Is this proposition true? Is this theory a good theory?
24
71533
2743
01:14
Is this a viable interpretation of the data or the text? And so on.
25
74300
4476
01:18
I'm not interested really in arguments about whose turn it is to do the dishes
26
78800
3976
01:22
or who has to take out the garbage.
27
82800
1676
01:24
Yeah, we have those arguments, too.
28
84500
2309
01:26
I tend to win those arguments, because I know the tricks.
29
86833
2743
01:29
But those aren't the important arguments.
30
89600
1976
01:31
I'm interested in academic arguments,
31
91600
1776
01:33
and here are the things that puzzle me.
32
93400
1867
01:36
First, what do good arguers win when they win an argument?
33
96667
3076
01:39
What do I win if I convince you
34
99767
2476
01:42
that utilitarianism isn't really the right framework
35
102267
2429
01:44
for thinking about ethical theories?
36
104720
1756
01:46
What do we win when we win an argument?
37
106500
1876
01:48
Even before that,
38
108400
1343
01:49
what does it matter to me
39
109767
1242
01:51
whether you have this idea that Kant's theory works
40
111033
2943
01:54
or Mill is the right ethicist to follow?
41
114000
3176
01:57
It's no skin off my back
42
117200
1376
01:58
whether you think functionalism is a viable theory of mind.
43
118600
3167
02:02
So why do we even try to argue?
44
122300
2043
02:04
Why do we try to convince other people
45
124367
1842
02:06
to believe things they don't want to believe,
46
126233
2176
02:08
and is that even a nice thing to do?
47
128433
1776
02:10
Is that a nice way to treat another human being,
48
130233
2243
02:12
try and make them think something they don't want to think?
49
132500
2976
02:15
Well, my answer is going to make reference to three models for arguments.
50
135500
4675
02:20
The first model -- let's call it the dialectical model --
51
140199
2744
02:22
is we think of arguments as war; you know what that's like --
52
142967
2909
02:25
a lot of screaming and shouting and winning and losing.
53
145900
2709
02:28
That's not a very helpful model for arguing,
54
148633
2143
02:30
but it's a pretty common and entrenched model for arguing.
55
150800
2743
02:33
But there's a second model for arguing: arguments as proofs.
56
153567
3242
02:36
Think of a mathematician's argument.
57
156833
2076
02:38
Here's my argument. Does it work? Is it any good?
58
158933
2776
02:41
Are the premises warranted? Are the inferences valid?
59
161733
4476
02:46
Does the conclusion follow from the premises?
60
166233
2543
02:48
No opposition, no adversariality --
61
168800
2409
02:51
not necessarily any arguing in the adversarial sense.
62
171233
5676
02:56
But there's a third model to keep in mind
63
176933
1976
02:58
that I think is going to be very helpful,
64
178933
1976
03:00
and that is arguments as performances, arguments in front of an audience.
65
180933
5010
03:05
We can think of a politician trying to present a position,
66
185967
2942
03:08
trying to convince the audience of something.
67
188933
2143
03:11
But there's another twist on this model that I really think is important;
68
191100
3476
03:14
namely, that when we argue before an audience,
69
194600
4009
03:18
sometimes the audience has a more participatory role in the argument;
70
198633
4076
03:22
that is, arguments are also [performances] in front of juries,
71
202733
4510
03:27
who make a judgment and decide the case.
72
207267
2776
03:30
Let's call this the rhetorical model,
73
210067
1809
03:31
where you have to tailor your argument to the audience at hand.
74
211900
3709
03:35
You know, presenting a sound, well-argued,
75
215633
2643
03:38
tight argument in English before a francophone audience
76
218300
3376
03:41
just isn't going to work.
77
221700
1600
03:43
So we have these models -- argument as war, argument as proof
78
223800
3643
03:47
and argument as performance.
79
227467
2380
03:50
Of those three, the argument as war is the dominant one.
80
230167
3766
03:54
It dominates how we talk about arguments,
81
234467
2609
03:57
it dominates how we think about arguments,
82
237100
2043
03:59
and because of that, it shapes how we argue,
83
239167
2976
04:02
our actual conduct in arguments.
84
242167
1776
04:03
Now, when we talk about arguments,
85
243967
1676
04:05
we talk in a very militaristic language.
86
245667
1976
04:07
We want strong arguments, arguments that have a lot of punch,
87
247667
3242
04:10
arguments that are right on target.
88
250933
1676
04:12
We want to have our defenses up and our strategies all in order.
89
252633
3176
04:15
We want killer arguments.
90
255833
2576
04:18
That's the kind of argument we want.
91
258433
1997
04:21
It is the dominant way of thinking about arguments.
92
261200
2409
04:23
When I'm talking about arguments,
93
263633
1610
04:25
that's probably what you thought of, the adversarial model.
94
265267
2833
04:28
But the war metaphor,
95
268445
2497
04:30
the war paradigm or model for thinking about arguments,
96
270966
2743
04:33
has, I think, deforming effects on how we argue.
97
273733
2967
04:37
First, it elevates tactics over substance.
98
277100
2967
04:40
You can take a class in logic, argumentation.
99
280967
2142
04:43
You learn all about the subterfuges
100
283133
1710
04:44
that people use to try and win arguments -- the false steps.
101
284867
2876
04:47
It magnifies the us-versus them aspect of it.
102
287767
3176
04:50
It makes it adversarial; it's polarizing.
103
290967
3409
04:54
And the only foreseeable outcomes are triumph -- glorious triumph --
104
294400
5809
05:00
or abject, ignominious defeat.
105
300233
3076
05:03
I think those are deforming effects,
106
303333
1743
05:05
and worst of all, it seems to prevent things like negotiation
107
305100
3843
05:08
or deliberation or compromise or collaboration.
108
308967
4700
05:14
Think about that one -- have you ever entered an argument thinking,
109
314233
3167
05:17
"Let's see if we can hash something out, rather than fight it out.
110
317424
3385
05:20
What can we work out together?"
111
320833
1910
05:22
I think the argument-as-war metaphor
112
322767
2372
05:25
inhibits those other kinds of resolutions to argumentation.
113
325163
4413
05:29
And finally -- this is really the worst thing --
114
329600
2443
05:32
arguments don't seem to get us anywhere; they're dead ends.
115
332067
2809
05:34
They are like roundabouts or traffic jams or gridlock in conversation.
116
334900
5676
05:40
We don't get anywhere.
117
340600
1267
05:42
And one more thing.
118
342433
1276
05:43
And as an educator, this is the one that really bothers me:
119
343733
2910
05:46
If argument is war,
120
346667
2176
05:48
then there's an implicit equation of learning with losing.
121
348867
5009
05:53
And let me explain what I mean.
122
353900
1607
05:56
Suppose you and I have an argument.
123
356067
2542
05:58
You believe a proposition, P, and I don't.
124
358633
3000
06:02
And I say, "Well, why do you believe P?"
125
362500
1914
06:04
And you give me your reasons.
126
364438
1405
06:05
And I object and say, "Well, what about ...?"
127
365867
2376
06:08
And you answer my objection.
128
368267
1509
06:09
And I have a question: "Well, what do you mean?
129
369800
2409
06:12
How does it apply over here?"
130
372233
1444
06:14
And you answer my question.
131
374133
1643
06:15
Now, suppose at the end of the day,
132
375800
1709
06:17
I've objected, I've questioned,
133
377533
2110
06:19
I've raised all sorts of counter counter-considerations
134
379667
2596
06:22
and in every case you've responded to my satisfaction.
135
382287
3589
06:25
And so at the end of the day, I say,
136
385900
2643
06:28
"You know what? I guess you're right: P."
137
388567
3333
06:32
So, I have a new belief.
138
392500
2343
06:34
And it's not just any belief;
139
394867
1413
06:36
it's well-articulated, examined -- it's a battle-tested belief.
140
396304
6296
06:43
Great cognitive gain.
141
403800
1160
06:44
OK, who won that argument?
142
404984
1355
06:47
Well, the war metaphor seems to force us into saying you won,
143
407600
3943
06:51
even though I'm the only one who made any cognitive gain.
144
411567
2709
06:54
What did you gain, cognitively, from convincing me?
145
414300
3643
06:57
Sure, you got some pleasure out of it, maybe your ego stroked,
146
417967
2976
07:00
maybe you get some professional status
147
420967
1976
07:02
in the field -- "This guy's a good arguer."
148
422967
2576
07:05
But just from a cognitive point of view,
149
425567
2976
07:08
who was the winner?
150
428567
1276
07:09
The war metaphor forces us into thinking that you're the winner and I lost,
151
429867
4809
07:14
even though I gained.
152
434700
2043
07:16
And there's something wrong with that picture.
153
436767
2276
07:19
And that's the picture I really want to change if we can.
154
439067
2709
07:21
So, how can we find ways
155
441800
3349
07:25
to make arguments yield something positive?
156
445173
3560
07:29
What we need is new exit strategies for arguments.
157
449633
3000
07:33
But we're not going to have new exit strategies for arguments
158
453367
2876
07:36
until we have new entry approaches to arguments.
159
456267
3309
07:39
We need to think of new kinds of arguments.
160
459600
3000
07:43
In order to do that, well --
161
463267
2576
07:45
I don't know how to do that.
162
465867
1666
07:48
That's the bad news.
163
468100
1343
07:49
The argument-as-war metaphor is just ... it's a monster.
164
469467
3009
07:52
It's just taken up habitation in our mind,
165
472500
2395
07:54
and there's no magic bullet that's going to kill it.
166
474919
2447
07:57
There's no magic wand that's going to make it disappear.
167
477390
2635
08:00
I don't have an answer.
168
480049
1260
08:01
But I have some suggestions.
169
481333
1343
08:02
Here's my suggestion:
170
482700
1933
08:05
If we want to think of new kinds of arguments,
171
485700
2184
08:07
what we need to do is think of new kinds of arguers.
172
487908
3659
08:11
So try this:
173
491900
1933
08:14
Think of all the roles that people play in arguments.
174
494767
4442
08:19
There's the proponent and the opponent
175
499233
2976
08:22
in an adversarial, dialectical argument.
176
502233
2176
08:24
There's the audience in rhetorical arguments.
177
504433
2143
08:26
There's the reasoner in arguments as proofs.
178
506600
2208
08:30
All these different roles.
179
510767
1309
08:32
Now, can you imagine an argument in which you are the arguer,
180
512100
3843
08:35
but you're also in the audience, watching yourself argue?
181
515967
3366
08:39
Can you imagine yourself watching yourself argue,
182
519967
3042
08:43
losing the argument, and yet still, at the end of the argument, saying,
183
523033
4476
08:47
"Wow, that was a good argument!"
184
527533
2500
08:51
Can you do that?
185
531133
1343
08:52
I think you can, and I think if you can imagine that kind of argument,
186
532500
3308
08:55
where the loser says to the winner and the audience and the jury can say,
187
535832
3777
08:59
"Yeah, that was a good argument,"
188
539633
1943
09:01
then you have imagined a good argument.
189
541600
1858
09:03
And more than that,
190
543482
1161
09:04
I think you've imagined a good arguer,
191
544667
1976
09:06
an arguer that's worthy of the kind of arguer you should try to be.
192
546667
4466
09:11
Now, I lose a lot of arguments.
193
551567
2776
09:14
It takes practice to become a good arguer,
194
554367
2409
09:16
in the sense of being able to benefit from losing, but fortunately,
195
556800
3156
09:19
I've had many, many colleagues who have been willing to step up
196
559980
2963
09:22
and provide that practice for me.
197
562967
1709
09:24
Thank you.
198
564700
1175
09:25
(Applause)
199
565899
4068
About this website

This site will introduce you to YouTube videos that are useful for learning English. You will see English lessons taught by top-notch teachers from around the world. Double-click on the English subtitles displayed on each video page to play the video from there. The subtitles scroll in sync with the video playback. If you have any comments or requests, please contact us using this contact form.

https://forms.gle/WvT1wiN1qDtmnspy7