Duolingo English Test | Teacher Luke Interview | Speak English Fluently with Steve Hatherly

Welcome to Speak English Fluently.

欢迎来到《说一口流利的英语》。

I’m your host Steve Hatherly.

我是主持人史蒂夫·哈瑟利。

And my guest today is Mr. Luke Jones.

今天我的客人是卢克·琼斯先生。

Who was a teacher in Korea for I would say a brief stint, but it wasn't really that brief.

他在韩国当过老师，我想说的是短暂的一段时间，但实际上并没有那么短暂。

I think uh Luke told me, as we were chatting before we got started today, it was for a

我想呃卢克告诉我，当我们今天开始之前聊天时，总共有

total of eight years.

八年了。

But Luke did make the decision to return to his home country of Wales.

但卢克确实做出了返回祖国威尔士的决定。

And in 2018, that's when Luke decided to develop a YouTube channel.

2018 年，卢克决定开发一个 YouTube 频道。

A very popular idea with people these days.

如今，这是人们非常流行的想法。

But what's more interesting is the focus of the channel.

但更有趣的是频道的焦点。

And we'll get to that in just a moment.

我们稍后会讨论这个问题。

Well after achieving a pretty decent level of success uh subscribers in the range of

在获得了相当大的成功之后，订阅者数量达到了

around 10 000 people, then it exploded to great success.

10,000 人左右，然后它就取得了巨大的成功。

And now Luke has over 200,000 subscribers.

现在 Luke 拥有超过 20 万订阅者。

And as I just alluded to, his content deals with the Duolingo English Test.

正如我刚才提到的，他的内容涉及 Duolingo 英语测试。

And that will be the focus of our chat today.

这将是我们今天聊天的焦点。

Welcome to Speak English Fluently, Luke Jones.

欢迎来到《流利说英语》，卢克·琼斯。

It's great to meet you.

很高兴见到你。

Sir.

先生。

Yeah.

是的。

thank you for the kind introduction.

谢谢你的热情介绍。

And it's good to meet you and it's a pleasure to be on this show with you.

很高兴认识你，也很高兴和你一起参加这个节目。

Wonderful.

精彩的。

So you were you were yourself in Korea for, did I get that right, eight years in total?

那么你自己在韩国总共待了八年，我没听错吗？

Yeah, I was eight almost nine years.

是的，我八岁快九岁了。

I lived in a small city called Changweon, first.

我首先住在一个叫昌原的小城市。

Then, I moved to Seoul where I got my say my full-time job at a university.

然后，我搬到了首尔，在那里我在一所大学找到了全职工作。

And that was brilliant.

那真是太棒了。

I actually loved my time there.

我真的很喜欢在那里的时光。

I learned so much.

我学到了很多。

I met so many great people.

我遇到了很多很棒的人。

Wonderful.

精彩的。

After you returned to Wales, you decided to make the YouTube channel.

返回威尔士后，您决定制作 YouTube 频道。

Was that upon the return to Wales?

那是在返回威尔士之后吗？

Or was that something you were thinking about during your time here in Korea?

或者这是您在韩国期间所思考的事情？

Yeah, that was before, actually.

是的，实际上那是以前的事了。

So I moved to Wales about six months ago but as you mentioned, I started my channel

所以我大约六个月前搬到了威尔士，但正如你提到的，我

in 2018.

在 2018 年

Basically, I just saw the trend of online education.

开始了我的频道 。基本上，我只是看到了在线教育的趋势。

Even in 2018, it looked like lots of teachers were going online with their courses uh their

即使在 2018 年，看起来很多老师都在网上讲授他们的课程，他们的

lectures so on and I just, yeah, I wanted to be a part of that.

讲座等等，而我只是，是的，我想成为其中的一部分。

I try to keep myself, you know, forward thinking and being as innovative as possible so I thought

我努力让自己保持前瞻性思维并尽可能创新，所以我认为

that'd be a good thing to try out.

这是一个值得尝试的好事情。

I started off slowly like everyone who has ever tried YouTube will know.

我开始慢慢地，每个尝试过 YouTube 的人都会知道。

Of course.

当然。

It's a very hard - hard slug to start but you know after a while it does,

这是一个非常艰难的开始，但过了一段时间你就会知道，

if you if you're good and you try hard, you can become successful on the channel as a

如果你足够好并且努力尝试，你就可以在频道上取得成功，

teacher especially.

尤其是作为一名教师。

That's great advice for any uh aspiring YouTuber I think, not just a language teacher.

我认为这对任何有抱负的 YouTuber 来说都是很好的建议，而不仅仅是语言老师。

So what was it?

那是什么？

I’m curious to know what was it that that made it happen and maybe you don't even know

我很想知道是什么让这一切发生，也许你甚至不知道，

but the subscribers were around 10,000 which is pretty impressive I mean

但订户数量约为 10,000，我的意思

Yeah.

是，这是相当令人印象深刻的。

A lot of YouTubers say it's really hard to get to even a thousand subscribers but you

许多 YouTuber 表示，获得 1000 个订阅者确实很困难，但当你

got to 10 and then all of a sudden, ‘boom’.

达到 10 个时，突然之间，“繁荣”了。

So do you know what it was?

那么你知道那是什么吗？

Yeah, I do.

是的。

Yeah, it's really clear if you look into my analytics.

是的，如果你看看我的分析就很清楚了。

I changed my subject matter.

我改变了主题。

So I was doing general English, the same stuff as on this Shaw English channel.

所以我在做通用英语，和Shaw英语频道上的一样。

A lot of other channels do the same type of content.

许多其他频道也提供相同类型的内容。

And I was doing the same, but then, I differentiated myself… differentiated myself by focusing

我也在做同样的事情，但是后来，我让自己与众不同……通过专注

on the new Duolingo English Test.

于新的 Duolingo 英语测试来让自己与众不同。

And it was just a, you know, it's a popular niche without that many content creators.

你知道，这只是一个流行的利基市场，没有那么多内容创作者。

So that's basically it.

基本上就是这样。

And then the name… and the name of your channel is?

然后是名称……您的频道名称是？

Teacher Luke and then hyphen Duolingo English Test.

Luke老师然后连字符Duolingo英语测试。

Nothing, nothing very crazy about it.

没什么，没什么特别疯狂的。

But you know, yeah.

但你知道，是的。

Very straightforward.

非常简单。

We'll get that… we'll get that information from you again at the… the end of our chat.

我们会得到的...我们将在...聊天结束时再次从您那里得到该信息。

Well… well let's get into it then.

好吧……那么让我们开始吧。

The main point of our chat for today.

我们今天聊天的重点。

So the Duolingo English Test.

因此，Duolingo 英语测试。

Now, I’m familiar with Duolingo.

现在，我熟悉了 Duolingo。

I myself have used it.

我自己也用过。

I studied French in Canada in school.

我在加拿大的学校学习法语。

After living in Korea for a long time, I wanted to brush up on my French.

在韩国生活了很长时间后，我想温习一下法语。

And I went to Duolingo to do that.

我去 Duolingo 就是为了做到这一点。

But I didn't know that there was something very specific for Duolingo that being an English

但我不知道 Duolingo 有一个非常特殊的东西，那就是作为一个英国人

Test.

测试。

So can you tell us just in general what that is?

那么你能概括地告诉我们那是什么吗？

Yeah, sure so the Duolingo English Test is basically a new way to certify your English

是的，当然，Duolingo 英语测试基本上是一种证明英语

level.

水平的新方法。

So it's very similar to the other popular Tests - the IELTS and TOEFL.

因此，它与其他流行的考试 - 雅思和托福非常相似。

So if you want… if a student, an international student, wants to study in the U.S., Canada,

所以，如果你想......如果一个学生，一个国际学生，想要在美国、加拿大、

U.K., Australia, you name it, then they need to certify their English using a proficiency

英国、澳大利亚学习，只要你能想到的，那么他们需要通过能力

exam.

考试来证明他们的英语水平。

So the Duolingo Test is the newest proficiency Test out there.

因此，Duolingo 测试是最新的能力测试。

It's not that new, actually.

事实上，这并不新鲜。

So it's about five years old uh which is relatively new but still not not… not that new.

所以它已经有五年了，呃，相对较新，但仍然不是……不是那么新。

However, it was during the coveted pandemic that this test became really popular.

然而，正是在令人垂涎的大流行期间，这项测试才真正流行起来。

How long have.

有多久。

you mentioned.

你提到的。

uh IELTS and TOEFL, those I guess IELTS is mainly popular in the U.K. if I’m correct.

嗯，雅思和托福，如果我没猜错的话，我猜雅思主要在英国流行。

And then TOEFL, that's right um perhaps internationally, IELTS is internationally recognized as well.

然后托福，也许在国际上是对的，雅思也是国际认可的。

Those have been around for a really long time, right?

这些已经存在很长时间了，对吧？

Very long time, yeah.

很长一段时间了，是的。

I don't know exactly.

我不太清楚。

It’s a very long time.

这是很长一段时间了。

um it's hard to say I don't…

嗯，很难说我不……

I don't know exactly how long they've been around for.

我不知道他们已经存在了多久。

But yeah, they're very well established.

但是，是的，它们已经非常成熟了。

And they have a really good reputation.

他们拥有非常好的声誉。

Right… and rightly so.

是的……这是正确的。

They're very good tests.

它们是非常好的测试。

But the Duolingo English Test is relatively new, even though it's been five years.

但 Duolingo 英语测试相对较新，尽管已经推出五年了。

Relatively speaking, it's not necessarily a long time.

相对来说，时间不一定很长。

How is it different?

有什么不同？

How does it differentiate itself from the IELTS and the TOEFL Test?

它与雅思和托福考试有何不同？

Yeah, there are actually there are so many differences.

是的，确实有很多差异。

But there are three main differences I think I should talk about.

但我认为我应该谈谈三个主要区别。

So the first one is that this exam is far more affordable and accessible to students.

因此，第一个问题是，这项考试对学生来说更便宜、更容易获得。

The IELTS and TOEFL, they're quite expensive.

雅思和托福考试都比较贵。

I’m not sure if you're aware, but they're, oh god, $200, $300 somewhere in that range

我不确定你是否知道，但天啊，

depending on what country you take it in.

根据你在哪个国家录取，他们的学费在 200 美元、300 美元之间。

And that's a lot of money for a lot of students, right?

这对很多学生来说是很多钱，对吧？

The Duolingo English Test, on the other hand, is only $49.

另一方面，Duolingo 英语测试仅需 49 美元。

So in that case, is far more affordable.

所以在这种情况下，价格要便宜得多。

It's much more accessible because it's only a computer-based test.

它更容易获得，因为它只是一个基于计算机的测试。

You don't need to go to a test center to take this exam.

您无需前往考试中心参加此项考试。

You just do it, uh, you just need to find a quiet room and get, uh, you know, get your

你只要这样做，呃，你只需要找到一个安静的房间，然后，呃，你知道，把你的

computer out with good internet access and then you're good to go.

电脑拿出来，有良好的互联网连接，然后你就可以开始了。

You can take the Duolingo Test...

您可以参加 Duolingo 测试...

Sorry to interrupt you.

很抱歉打扰您。

You can take that four times… uh… and take the TOEFL Test or the IELTS Test one

您可以参加四次……呃……并参加一次托福考试或雅思考试

time.

。

Yeah, exactly right.

是的，完全正确。

And that leads to…

这导致了……

Okay oh sorry yeah I want to talk a bit more about the accessibility because I think for

好吧，抱歉，是的，我想多谈谈可及性，因为我认为对于

people like you and I who live in very developed countries, the idea of going to a test center

像你我这样生活在非常发达国家的人来说，去考试中心

to take an exam is not that hard right.

参加考试的想法并不是这样的。很难吧。

We live… we can easily get to one maybe within an hour or two.

我们住……我们可以在一两个小时内轻松到达。

But for a lot of poorer students, let's say in other developing countries, uh… that's…

但对于很多贫困学生来说，比如说在其他发展中国家，呃……那是……

that's sometimes a really big challenge to get to a test center.

有时进入考试中心确实是一个巨大的挑战。

Right?

正确的？

They might have to travel a day or two days and use you know a lot of money to get there

他们可能需要旅行一两天并花费很多钱才能到达那里，

so… the fact that they that the Duolingo Test

所以……事实上，他们的 Duolingo 测试

is done at home, on their computer, that's actually a really big deal and it's game changing

是在家里的计算机上完成的，这实际上是一件大事，它正在改变游戏规则

in my mind for a lot of poorer students around the world.

在我看来，对于世界各地许多贫困的学生来说。

Well that, and I think it would encourage students to take the test perhaps more often

嗯，我认为这会鼓励学生比

than they might take the IELTS or the TOEFL Test because, number one, it's cheaper, as

参加雅思考试或托福考试更频繁地参加考试，因为第一，它更便宜，正如

you mentioned, you know you could take you could take the IELTS or the TOEFL once and

您提到的，您知道您可以参加雅思考试或托福考试 参加 一次托福考试并

take the Duolingo Test four times.

参加四次 Duolingo 测试。

Exactly.

确切地。

But for other students, just that motivation of having to…

但对于其他学生来说，这种不得不去的动机……

It's like going to the gym almost sometimes, right, you know.

就像有时去健身房一样，对吧，你知道。

I…

我……

I…

我……

I really want to take the test this time, but I’d have to go all the way hundreds

我这次真的很想参加考试，但我必须千里迢迢跑几百

of miles to get there…

英里才能到达那里……

where you could take the Duolingo English Test in your living room, in your in your

在那里你可以在你的客厅里，穿着

underwear, if you wanted to.

内衣参加 Duolingo 英语测试，如果你愿意的话。

You could actually could do that.

你实际上可以做到这一点。

And the test is much shorter.

而且测试时间要短得多。

It takes about an hour.

大约需要一个小时。

Whereas the IELTS and TOEFL, they tend to take all day if you include traveling and,

而雅思和托福，如果你包括旅行和 所有其他事情

you know, all the other stuff.

，它们往往需要一整天的时间

So the universities…

。所以 世界各地的

um… around the world, when we're talking about certification for students…

大学…… 嗯……当我们谈论学生认证时……

um…

嗯……

Of course IELTS is accepted.

当然接受雅思。

Of course TOEFL is accepted.

当然也接受托福考试。

But what about the acceptance with Duolingo the English Test, only being around for five

但是，Duolingo 英语测试的接受度如何呢？它只存在了五年左右

years or so, is it widely accepted by universities…

，是否被大学广泛接受……

English-speaking countries uh universities around the world?

英语国家呃世界各地的大学？

Yeah.

是的。

That's a really important question for a lot of test takers.

对于很多考生来说，这是一个非常重要的问题。

Why take a test if the universities don't accept it?

如果大学不接受为什么要参加考试？

Exactly.

确切地。

Yeah, so, the answer is yes and no.

是的，所以，答案是肯定和否定。

In the U.S. and Canada, oh I think almost every university accepts this exam.

在美国和加拿大,哦我想几乎每所大学都接受这个考试。

Which is fantastic.

这太棒了。

However, in the U.K. or Australia or other European countries, it's a bit of a mixed

然而，在英国、澳大利亚或其他欧洲国家，情况有点鱼龙混杂

bag.

。

You have to really go and check your individual university to see if they would accept this

您必须真正去检查您所在的大学，看看他们是否接受此

test as a as you know proof of your English ability.

测试作为您所知道的英语能力的证明。

mm-hmm I believe that you know the Duolingo…

嗯嗯我相信你知道Duolingo…

Duolingo is a company is an American company, right, so I think that probably has some influence

Duolingo是一家公司，是一家美国公司，对吧，所以我觉得可能

on the American universities.

对美国大学有一些影响。

On top of that, in the U.K., we've had a couple of visa scandals in the past with the other

最重要的是，在英国，我们过去曾与

exams like the TOEIC, so I think for the U.K., they're pretty strict and they they rely heavily

托业等其他考试发生过一些签证丑闻，所以我认为对于英国来说，他们非常严格，而且他们严重依赖

on IELTS for all types of visas including student visas.

雅思考试。签证类型包括学生签证。

Is it becoming more widely accepted now?

现在它被更广泛地接受了吗？

Can…

我们能……

can we see a trend in universities um from English-speaking countries around the world

我们能看到世界各地英语国家大学的趋势吗？

where it is becoming more widely accepted now?

现在它越来越被广泛接受？

Yeah, for sure.

耶，当然了。

Especially since the C19 pandemic.

特别是自 C19 大流行以来。

Again, a lot of students around the world didn't have that opportunity to go to a test

同样，世界各地的许多学生没有机会去考试

center to do the IELTS of TOEFL.

中心参加雅思考试或托福考试。

So you know for universities, they want international students, and the only option a lot of students

所以你知道，对于大学来说，他们想要国际学生，而很多学生

had to, you know, certify their English was to do the Duolingo English Test.

证明自己英语的唯一选择就是参加 Duolingo 英语测试。

So during that time, you know, thousands of universities started accepting the exam and

所以在那段时间里，你知道，成千上万的大学开始接受考试，其中

most of them have stuck around, at least they still do accept it.

大多数都坚持了下来，至少他们仍然接受考试。

Especially like I said, especially in North America.

特别是就像我说的，尤其是在北美。

Can you see a trend, conversely, can you see a trend with students now, where students

你能看到一种趋势吗？相反，你能看到现在学生们的一种趋势吗？学生们

are aware that the Duolingo…

意识到 Duolingo……

Duolingo English Test is… is becoming more uh… widely accepted?

Duolingo 英语测试……正在变得更加呃……被广泛接受？

Because I would think as a student, you know, you might know about IELTS and TOEFL and think

因为我认为作为一名学生，你可能知道雅思和托福，并认为

those are your two choices, and that's about it.

这是你的两个选择，仅此而已。

And you wouldn't even think to maybe hop on the internet and see if there are other options.

你甚至不会想到上网看看是否还有其他选择。

Are students now around the world becoming more aware of the Duolingo English Test?

现在世界各地的学生是否越来越了解 Duolingo 英语测试？

And… and… and the fact that it is becoming more widely accepted?

而且……而且……以及它正变得越来越广泛接受这一事实？

Yeah, I believe so.

是的，我相信是这样。

I believe so.

我相信是这样。

It's hard for me to give a you know a definitive answer on that, but I believe so.

我很难对此给出明确的答案，但我相信是这样。

If you look on Google Trends, as an indicator, then the popularity is always increasing,

如果你把谷歌趋势作为一个指标，那么受欢迎程度总是在增加，

so that that signifies to me that, yes, I think more students are aware of it.

所以这对我来说意味着，是的，我认为更多的学生意识到了这一点。

And you know quite frankly would rather take it than the IELTS or TOEFL.

坦率地说，您知道宁愿参加考试也不愿参加雅思或托福考试。

The Duolingo Test, I think we'll talk more about the questions later, but it is a much

Duolingo 测试，我想我们稍后会详细讨论问题，但它是一个

more friendly test than the IELTS or TOEFL.

比雅思或托福更友好的测试。

It's not intimidating.

这并不吓人。

They've done a good job of making the experience, you know, relatively pleasant.

他们做得很好，让体验变得相对愉快。

Whereas the other exams are very, you know, academic paper-based, you go to a center…

而其他考试都是以学术论文为基础的，你去一个中心……

Oh, I mean.

哦，我的意思是。

… intimidating.

……令人生畏。

I’ve seen… they're intimidating for native English speakers.

我见过……它们对于以英语为母语的人来说是令人生畏的。

They’re hard.

他们很难。

They’re very hard.

他们很难。

I’ve seen this those TOEFL…

我看过这些托福……

some of those TOEFL questions and I’ve thought to myself, how on earth, even a student whose

其中一些托福问题，我心里想，到底如何，即使是一个

level or proficiency in English was pretty good, how would they be able to even understand

英语水平或熟练程度相当好的学生，他们怎么能够理解

what question is being posed?

问题是什么？摆出姿势？

They're long-winded questions a lot of the time.

很多时候它们都是冗长的问题。

They're very difficult to answer.

他们很难回答。

Require critical thinking perhaps sometimes as well.

有时也许也需要批判性思维。

You're right when you say those tests are intimidating.

当你说这些测试令人生畏时，你是对的。

They… for sure they are and I, yeah, Duolingo have done a good job of making their, yeah,

他们……当然是的，而我，是的，Duolingo 做得很好，让他们的，是的，

the experience a lot friendlier.

体验变得更加友好。

Yeah, they've done a good job of that.

是的，他们在这方面做得很好。

You know like it's not surprising because they, you know, originally are an application

你知道，这并不奇怪，因为它们最初是

for language learning - general language learning - so they have that skill set.

语言学习的应用程序 - 通用语言学习 - 所以他们拥有该技能。

um but it's… it's definitely a friendlier exam for sure.

嗯，但这……这肯定是一次更友好的考试。

I think the cost, going back to that point too, um makes it less intimidating for the

我认为成本，也回到这一点，嗯，也让学生不那么害怕，

students as well because when you're spending that much money on a test to be taken, uh

因为当你在要参加的考试上花费那么多钱时，呃，

that puts more pressure on you as a student, right?

这会给你作为学生带来更大的压力，对吧？

Oh, a huge…

哦，巨大……

it's a huge amount of pressure, yeah.

压力巨大，是的。

And like I said, especially for students who come from like poorer countries or developing

就像我说的，特别是对于来自较贫穷国家或发展中国家的学生来说

countries, that's… that's a lot of money $200.

，200 美元是一笔很大的钱。

Again, a lot of money.

再说一遍，很多钱。

So the… the test can be taken when?

那么……什么时候可以进行测试？

Is it on a specific schedule, the Duolingo English Test?

Duolingo 英语测试有特定的时间表吗？

Or can it be taken at any time?

还是可以随时服用？

It can be taken at any time.

可以随时服用。

Basically, the student takes it whenever and wherever he or she wants to do it.

基本上，学生可以随时随地进行。

So if you've got…

所以，如果你……

Again back to the accessibility of the test, that's a big… that's a that's a huge thing

再次回到测试的可访问性，那是一件大事……这

for a lot of people.

对很多人来说都是一件大事。

So if you have deep pockets, you could take the test Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday,

因此，如果您财力雄厚，您可以在周一、周二、周三、周四、

Friday if you wanted to.

周五参加考试。

uh not exactly.

呃不完全是。

Okay.

好的。

You two Tests uh.. every 30 days.

你们每 30 天进行两次测试。

Okay, still…

好吧，仍然……

So there is a limit on that so… yeah I think…

所以这是有限制的，所以……是的，我认为……

Yeah, that's probably a wise move on their part, on Duolingo's part, not to allow students

是的，这可能是他们、Duolingo 方面的明智之举，不让学生

to take it all the time.

一直接受它。

It, you know, it adds to rel… to the reliability of the test and they can only do it twice

你知道，它增加了测试的可靠性，而且他们

every 30 days.

每 30 天只能做两次。

Fair point.

有道理。

How does that compare to the IELTS and the TOEFL?

与雅思和托福相比如何？

Are they on a schedule, a specific schedule as well?

他们有时间表吗？有具体的时间表吗？

It's… their tests are further apart if I’m… if I’m correct.

如果我……如果我是对的，那么他们的测试会相差更远。

um, yeah.

嗯，是的。

Yeah, I’m not exactly sure but, yeah, because most of the tests are done at a test center.

是的，我不太确定，但是，是的，因为大多数测试都是在测试中心进行的。

Of course there's a schedule for that.

当然有一个时间表。

My wife took the IELTS uh… just a few months ago.

我妻子几个月前参加了雅思考试，呃……就在几个月前。

um, how was her…

嗯，她怎么样……

Like once every two weeks maybe or something like that.

大概每两周一次或者类似的事情。

How was her experience with that?

她的经历如何？

As a… from a student's perspective?

作为……从学生的角度来看？

Yeah, it's exhausting.

是的，这很累。

It's exhausting.

真累。

So she took it to get her um U.K. visa.

所以她拿着它去获得英国签证。

um and yeah, she…

嗯，是的，她……

her English is great but she still had to learn strategies for the test.

她的英语很棒，但她仍然必须学习考试策略。

um and then go to a test center and, you know, speak to another human and, an old British

嗯，然后去测试中心，你知道，与另一个人和一个英国老人交谈

guy.

。

And yeah, she didn't like it at all.

是的，她一点也不喜欢。

She was exhausted.

她已经筋疲力尽了。

um she did well but that's, you know, beside the point.

嗯，她做得很好，但那不是重点。

She…

她……

it was… it was, you know, it's a tough day for her for sure.

那是……那是，你知道，这对她来说肯定是艰难的一天。

You mentioned the… the fact that, yeah, there are specific ways to prepare, uh, for

你提到了……事实是，是的，有特定的方法来准备

the IELTS and the TOEFL Tests and…

雅思考试和托福考试……

And there are classes out there about that.

并且有一些关于这方面的课程。

And I'll… and I'll get to that in just a sec.

我会……我会在一秒钟内讲到这一点。

- tools of how to prepare - but what types of questions um can a student see on the Duolingo

- 如何准备的工具 - 但是学生在 Duolingo

English Test?

英语测试中可以看到哪些类型的问题？

Yeah, right, so I will answer that question in one second, but I just want to make something

是的，对，所以我会立即回答这个问题，但我只想澄清一点

clear, that one of the goals of the Duolingo Test was that it… it tests a student's English

，Duolingo 测试的目标之一是……它测试学生的英语

ability rather than their ability to take a test - if that makes sense.

能力，而不是他们参加测试的能力- 如果这是有道理的。

So actually, I met…

所以实际上，我遇到了……

I met up with the Duolingo marketing team about a year ago and they made that very clear

大约一年前，我遇到了 Duolingo 营销团队，

to me as a teacher.

作为老师，他们向我明确表达了这一点。

They… they don't want the test to be like an IELTS or TOEFL, where you have to learn

他们……他们不希望考试像雅思或托福那样，你必须学习

strategies, not just English but strategies to pass the test or you have to write your

策略，不仅仅是英语，还有通过考试的策略，或者你必须

essay in a certain way.

以某种方式写你的论文。

They don't want to do that.

他们不想那样做。

They want it to be a, you know, a test of someone's English ability.

他们希望这是对某人英语能力的测试。

And that's it, yeah.

就是这样，是的。

So that's… that's different for… that's a different perspective for a lot of students.

所以这……这对……这对很多学生来说是不同的观点。

Particularly students here in Korea but probably students around the world where the point

尤其是韩国的学生，但也可能是世界各地的学生，重点是

the point of preparing for a mathematics test is to show that you know the mathematics on

准备数学考试的目的是表明您了解

that particular day.

当天的数学知识。

But it's not necessarily meant to show that you've got a really deep understanding of

但这并不一定意味着您可能对

the material perhaps.

这些材料有真正深入的理解。

Exactly right, exactly.

完全正确，完全正确。

That's another major advantage, yeah.

这是另一个主要优势，是的。

Yes, so, the questions, what types of questions can we see?

是的，那么，问题，我们可以看到什么类型的问题？

Yeah, so there are…

是的，所以……

there are 13 questions in total.

总共有 13 个问题。

um there's been a change recently so around 13 different questions.

嗯，最近发生了变化，大约有 13 个不同的问题。

I won't go over each one… one by one.

我不会一一详述。

That'll take a long time.

这需要很长时间。

But I'll just kind of categorize them.

但我只是对它们进行分类。

So we have the first category which I call ‘rapid fire’ questions.

我们有第一类问题，我称之为“快速”问题。

I’m not sure what the Duolingo Tests really call them, but I call them rapid fire questions

我不确定 Duolingo 测试到底如何称呼它们，但我称它们为快速问题，

because they are quick.

因为它们很快。

You have about four or five different types of questions and you only have between 60

您大约有四到五个不同类型的问题，而您只有 60

and 90 seconds to answer them.

到 90 秒的时间来回答它们。

Okay.

好的。

Very quick.

很快。

So for example, a vocabulary - you get a list of quests… a list of words

例如，一个词汇表 - 你会得到一个任务列表……

uh 18 for example.

例如，一个单词列表，呃 18。

And you have to choose which ones are real English words.

你必须选择哪些是真正的英语单词。

Okay.

好的。

There are a bunch of fake ones and real ones - you choose the real ones.

有很多假货和真品 - 您选择正品。

You have 60 seconds to do that.

你有 60 秒的时间来做这件事。

You have a dictation.

你有一个听写。

You know quick one sentence listen and type out what you hear.

您知道快速听一句话并输入您听到的内容。

Okay.

好的。

And there's reading the sentence out loud, you know, to test your pronunciation.

你知道，还有大声朗读句子来测试你的发音。

These types of rapid-fire quick questions.

这些类型的快速提问。

So that's within what… that's within one question you… you said that there are 13

所以这就是……这就是你……你说有 13 个

questions.

问题的一个问题。

There are 13 different types.

有13种不同的类型。

So one type vocabulary.

所以一种类型的词汇。

There are two vocab questions.

有两个词汇问题。

There's a read aloud question.

有一个朗读问题。

But rather than go through all of them, I thought I'd categorize them.

但我想我应该对它们进行分类，而不是全部浏览。

So those are those questions they come at the at the beginning of the test.

这些是他们在测试开始时提出的问题。

I see.

我懂了。

Then you have a reading comprehension section which is, you know, kind of standardized.

然后你有一个阅读理解部分，你知道，这是一种标准化的部分。

You…

你……

you read a paragraph and you answer some questions.

你读了一段话并回答了一些问题。

After that, you have the speaking and writing questions where you have to describe a photo

之后，您将面临口语和写作问题，您必须通过口语和写作来描述照片

through speaking and writing.

。

And you have to do like longer responses to certain prompts.

而且你必须喜欢对某些提示进行更长的响应。

And then, after that, you have the interview section, where you have to write a response

然后，之后就是面试部分，你必须写下回复

and give an oral response.

并给出口头回复。

And the universities can actually view your answers for those.

大学实际上可以查看您对这些问题的答案。

Ah, so that part of the test is on camera.

啊，所以这部分测试是在摄像机上进行的。

So part of it, it's by the sounds of things, part of the test is perhaps multiple choice,

因此，部分测试是通过事物的声音进行的，部分测试可能是多项选择，其中

some of it is uh audio through your computer, through the student's computer, and then some

一些是通过您的计算机、通过学生的计算机的呃音频，然后还有一些

of it is on camera as well.

是在摄像机上。

Yeah exactly.

是的，正是如此。

I see.

我懂了。

Year right.

年对了。

It was all kind of filmed…

这一切都是被拍摄的……

like in in the top corner of the screen.

就像在屏幕的顶角一样。

You can see your face.

你可以看到你的脸。

But the last section, that's sent to the university you're applying to is.

但发送到您申请的大学的最后一部分是。

They can see your response through speaking.

他们可以通过说话看到你的反应。

And they can read your written response.

他们可以阅读您的书面回复。

There's another… that's another key… a few key points I should mention.

还有另一个……这是另一个关键……我应该提到的几个关键点。

um especially for the speaking and writing question, well, especially for the writing

嗯，尤其是口语和写作问题，特别是写作

questions.

问题。

For the writing one, you only have five minutes to write a paragraph based on a prompt you're

对于写作，你只有五分钟的时间根据提示写一个段落

given.

。

Whereas, on the other exams, you typically have around half an hour or 40 minutes.

而在其他考试中，您通常有大约半小时或 40 分钟的时间。

So it's… you have to be… you have to be thinking quite quickly on this exam.

所以……你必须……你必须在这次考试中快速思考。

You have to read the questions and start typing almost immediately for… for every question.

您必须阅读问题并几乎立即开始输入……每个问题。

Yeah, so, that's it.

是的，所以，就是这样。

That's challenging for students.

这对学生来说是一个挑战。

So by the sounds of things, um, it is a better test of proficiency in general, but it's not

因此，从事情的声音来看，嗯，总的来说，这是对熟练程度的更好测试，但

necessarily easy by any stretch.

无论如何它都不一定容易。

It doesn't mean that a student can simply not prepare at all for this test.

这并不意味着学生可以根本不准备这次考试。

No, I don't think so.

不，我不这么认为。

um in terms of it being easier, a lot of people when they see it, they think oh yeah this

嗯，就它更容易而言，很多人当他们看到它时，他们认为哦，是的，这

is easier than the IELTS or TOEFL.

比雅思或托福更容易。

And I agree in some to some extent that the, you know, as friendlier, so it looks a lot

我在某种程度上同意，你知道，更友好，所以看起来很多

easier.

更轻松。

But there's… it's more of a different skill you have to practice.

但是……这更多的是你必须练习的不同技能。

You have to do things quicker.

你必须更快地做事。

You have a lot of different types of questions coming at you really fast.

你很快就会收到很多不同类型的问题。

So it… um yeah, I wouldn't say it's easier.

所以……嗯，是的，我不会说这更容易。

And actually, if you look on the Duolingo Test website, they actually have done a lot

事实上，如果你查看 Duolingo 测试网站，他们实际上对此做了很多

of research on this.. related to a comparison between, you know, a student's score and IELTS

研究……与学生的分数和雅思 成绩以及 Duolingo 之间的

and the Duolingo and, you know, it… it matches up pretty well.

比较相关，你知道 ，它……它匹配 还不错。

From a teacher's perspective, from your perspective, when you… where you've… pardoned me…

从老师的角度，从你的角度，当你……你……原谅我……你

where you've seen the IELTS, you've seen the TOEFL and you've seen the Duolingo English

看过雅思，你看过托福，你看过多邻国英语

Test.

测试。

You've obviously focused your channel on the Duolingo English Test - that leads me to believe

显然，您的频道重点关注了 Duolingo 英语测试 - 这让我相信

that from a teacher's perspective, you think this one is the best choice for students.

，从老师的角度来看，您认为这是学生的最佳选择。

um well, yeah, I do.

嗯，是的，我愿意。

I think if the, you know, if the university a student wants to apply for, accepts the

我想，如果，你知道，如果学生想要申请的大学接受考试

test, then yeah 100% I would always take… always advise them to take this exam.

，那么是的，我 100% 会一直参加……总是建议他们参加这项考试。

uh it's like I said, it's so much cheaper, it's much more accessible, and it's a lot,

呃，就像我说的，它便宜得多，更容易获得，而且很多，是的，

yeah, it just takes away a lot of stress I think and allows students to perform at the

它只是消除了我认为的很多压力，让学生表现出最好的表现，

best because they can do it at a time and place where they feel comfortable.

因为他们可以一次完成，他们感到舒服的地方。

Yeah, that's an excellent point as well because, you know, if you're scheduled to take the

是的，这也是一个很好的观点，因为，你知道，如果你计划

TOEFL Test or the IELTS Test on a particular day, at a particular time, and you happen

在特定的一天、特定的时间 参加托福 考试或雅思考试，而你恰好

to be having an off day or maybe you're maybe something happened, and…

有休息日，或者也许你'也许发生了什么事，并且……

You have a cold for example.

例如，您感冒了。

Yeah, yeah exactly or you didn't get much sleep the night before.

是的，是的，要么你前一天晚上没睡好。

Well then sorry.

那么抱歉。

You're stuck to their schedule and you've paid that two hundred dollars so that's it.

你必须遵守他们的时间表，而且你已经支付了那两百美元，仅此而已。

Whereas with the Duolingo English Test, it's up to the student whenever they want, when

而在 Duolingo 英语测试中，一切都取决于学生，只要他们愿意，当

they feel good, when they feel confident, ‘boom,’ let's do the test.

他们感觉良好时，当他们感到自信时，“繁荣”，让我们进行测试。

I’m ready for it.

我已经准备好了。

Yeah, exactly like… it's like I said, it's a lot friendlier.

是的，一模一样……就像我说的，友好多了。

It's a lot…

很多……

it's a lot overall…

总体来说很多……

it's just a bet a better experience for… for test takers.

这只是为了给……考生提供更好的体验。

It kind of want makes me want to take the test and I am a native English speaker.

这种渴望让我想参加考试，而且我的母语是英语。

Actually, it's still hard.

其实还是很难的。

I’ve taken it a few times, and after the hour, I was pretty tired, you know, that's

我已经拿了几次了，一个小时后，我很累，你知道，这已经

a lot.

很累了。

It's very fast.

速度非常快。

You get a lot of questions uh in a short space of time.

你会在很短的时间内收到很多问题。

And you have to be thinking, you know, even as an English speaker, it was quite exhausting.

你必须想，你知道，即使作为一个说英语的人，这也是相当累人的。

Did you ace it?

你成功了吗？

Did you get 100 out of 100?

满分 100 分，你中了 100 分吗？

Yeah, I got a good score.

是的，我取得了不错的成绩。

I know, especially for like the speaking or writing ones, I know how to formulate a good

我知道，尤其是像口语或写作这样的人，我知道如何制定一个好的

answer to like hit the checkpoints well.

答案，比如很好地通过检查点。

That's… that's uh… that's a great point for students to know, is that for… for your

那是……那是呃……这对学生来说很重要，因为……

channel specifically, you have taken the test.

特别是对于您的频道，您已经参加了测试。

You know exactly what kind of questions are asked.

您确切地知道会问什么样的问题。

And you… and you also know how to answer the questions properly as well.

而你……你也知道如何正确回答问题。

Yeah, right.

是的，对。

Yeah, exactly.

是的，完全正确。

So, prior from…

所以，在

my prior to me starting the YouTube channel, I was a teacher, and I taught academic English,

我开始 YouTube 频道之前，我是一名老师，我教学术英语，

you know, helping students pass the IELTS Test.

你知道，帮助学生通过雅思考试。

And a lot of the… the way you have to score high on these tests is actually quite similar

很多......你在这些测试中获得高分的方式实际上

with the IELTS and TOEFL in your, let's say speaking or writing answer, you need to show

与雅思和托福非常相似，比如说在口语或写作中，你需要表现出

a good awareness of the of the question to answer the question correctly and in detail.

对问题的良好认识才能回答问题正确且详细地提问。

You need to show good vocabulary, so using synonyms, or different verb tenses, you know,

你需要表现出良好的词汇量，所以使用同义词或不同的动词时态，你知道的，

that kind of stuff.

诸如此类的东西。

Grammar, um, to use complex sentences in your answer, like this.

语法，嗯，在你的答案中使用复杂的句子，就像这样。

There's… there are things that will… things you can do and you can practice that will

有……有一些事情会……你可以做的事情，你可以练习的事情将

guarantee, guarantees is a strong word, but will help you get a good score.

保证，保证是一个很强烈的词，但会帮助你获得好成绩。

So what kind of tools… let's get to that point now.

那么什么样的工具......让我们现在开始讨论这一点。

um we mentioned that there are specific strategies for IELTS and TOEFL where students are taught

嗯，我们提到雅思和托福有特定的策略，教学生

how to take the test.

如何参加考试。

Yes, um, with Duolingo's English Test, I’m sure that there are methods or strategies

是的，嗯，有了 Duolingo 的英语测试，我肯定有方法或者策略

that students can can… can learn as well.

学生可以……也可以学习。

What types of things are those if you could give an example or two?

如果您能举一两个例子的话，这些东西是什么类型的？

Yeah, okay, so like I mentioned, the rapid fire questions, the dictation, the vocabulary.

是的，好的，就像我提到的，快速提问、听写、词汇。

That's really a test of your English skills - listening or vocab.

这确实是对你的英语技能的测试——听力或词汇。

But when it comes to the speaking and writing ones, there are things you can practice in

但是当谈到口语和写作时，你可以练习一些东西，以便

order to give a better response.

做出更好的反应。

So just for example, um yeah, one of the spoken questions is to describe a photograph and

举个例子，嗯，是的，其中一个口语问题是描述一张照片，

you need to do it for about 90 seconds.

你需要做大约 90 秒。

Now, I’m not sure about you, but that's quite hard.

现在，我不确定你的情况，但这很难。

I was going to say…

我想说……

A photo for 90 seconds is a long time.

一张 90 秒的照片是很长的时间。

Yeah, so a lot of students, they get a bit stuck.

是的，很多学生都陷入了困境。

Like they know what to talk about, they know the words, they know what to say, but they

就像他们知道该说什么，他们知道该说什么，他们知道该说什么，但他们

can't speak for very long because we don't do that.

不能说很长时间，因为我们不这样做。

So there are things like what I teach which can almost like triggers to allow you to speak

因此，像我所教的东西几乎可以像触发器一样让你说得

longer.

更长。

So you know for example, like you can focus on the location of things in the photograph,

例如，你知道，就像你可以关注照片中事物的位置，

go into detail, you know, where…

深入细节，你知道，

where is almost everything located in the photo.

照片中几乎所有东西都在哪里。

You can look at the… the main objects - if they're people or animals like what are they

你可以看看……主要物体——如果他们是人或动物，比如他们在

doing using adverbs and adjectives to describe that.

做什么，用副词和形容词来描述。

Those type of strategies.

这些类型的策略。

uh if there's a person in the picture, you could even say, okay think of an emotion and

呃，如果照片里有一个人，你甚至可以说，好吧，想出一种情绪，

then look at their face and say, oh they I feel like… they must be feeling like this

然后看着他们的脸说，哦，他们我感觉……他们

today.

今天一定有这样的感觉。

And then you can expand on that by saying because perhaps this happened to them in the

然后你可以扩展这一点，说因为也许这件事发生在他们早上

morning…

……

You're allowed to speculate, actually.

实际上，你可以推测。

You can… you can definitely do that on tests.

你可以……你绝对可以在测试中做到这一点。

And that's an… also a thing I teach is speculation and how to make assumptions based on what's

这就是……我教的一件事是猜测以及如何根据

happening in the photo.

照片中发生的事情做出假设。

That would make that a lot easier, right?

这会让事情变得容易很多，对吧？

If you could…

如果你可以……

Well it makes you speak for longer, right?

那么这会让你说得更久，对吧？

Yeah that's really exactly yeah exactly yeah It's almost like an octopus and it's legs…

是的，这真的是，是的，是的，它几乎就像章鱼，它有腿……

Just look at the octopus's body and then go away eight legs off the body and just find

只要看看章鱼的身体，然后从身体上移开八条腿，然后找到

it, yeah… … and then you, yeah exactly, and that's

它，是的…………然后你，是的，就是这样，这就是

what I teach.

我的意思教。

So I…

所以我……

I have a website and I have some courses on there and I go through that in a lot of detail.

我有一个网站，上面有一些课程，我会详细介绍这些课程。

My YouTube… actually I do that…

我的 YouTube…实际上我就是这样做的…

my YouTube videos, too, which is obviously for free, but my website has a bit more detail

我的 YouTube 视频也是如此，这显然是免费的，但我的网站有更多详细信息

and a few more pdfs you can download.

和更多 pdf 文件，您可以下载。

Okay, well let's talk about those right now.

好吧，我们现在就来谈谈这些。

So the YouTube channel right now can…

所以 YouTube 频道现在可以……

Give us the name one more time.

再给我们一次这个名字。

Yeah, it's a Teacher Luke - Duolingo English Test.

是的，这是 Luke 老师 - Duolingo 英语测试。

um if you just search Duolingo Test, you'll… you'll see my face on the thumbnail.

嗯，如果你只搜索 Duolingo Test，你会……你会在缩略图上看到我的脸。

So yeah, that's… that's enough.

所以是的，这就……够了。

What's an example of a recent video that you did for your channel?

您最近为自己的频道制作的视频的示例是什么？

Oh, I did… oh, I did spoken phrases to also increase your answer and make your answer

哦，我做了……哦，我做了口语短语来增加你的答案，让你的答案

a lot smoother.

更流畅。

So for example, when you get a spoken prompt, usually you have a topic and then three or

例如，当你收到口头提示时，通常你有一个主题，然后是三到

four bullet pointed questions, and what a lot of students do is they answer one question

四个要点问题，很多学生所做的就是回答一个问题

and they stop and then answer next and then the next.

，然后停下来，然后回答下一个问题，然后再回答下一个问题。

Which is okay, but to make your answer smoother, and more fluent, which is on the scoring criteria,

这没关系，但为了让你的答案更流畅、更流畅（这是评分标准），

you can use different phrases to kind of go… transition from one question to the next.

你可以使用不同的短语来……从一个问题过渡到下一个问题。

And… and move back if you need to.

并且……如果需要的话可以向后退。

So that was my latest video.

这就是我最新的视频。

Gotcha.

明白了。

Yeah, that's a… that's a good… good way to teach a student how to be a, or how to

是的，这是一个……这是一个很好的……很好的方法来教学生如何成为一名优秀的健谈者，或者如何表现得

appear to be a good conversationalist.

成为一名优秀的健谈者。

Yeah.

是的。

As well with the ability to kind of keep flowing from one sentence to the next to the next

以及从一个句子到下一个句子的连续流动而

without many interruptions, right?

没有太多中断的能力，对吧？

Yeah, transitions, right.

是的，过渡，对。

Yeah that kind of stuff.

是啊，那种东西。

What kind of feedback have you gotten from um your subscribers who uh… from some of

您从您的订阅者那里得到了什么样的反馈，呃…来自

your over 200,000 subscribers now?

您现在超过 200,000 名订阅者中的一些？

And by the way congratulations.

顺便恭喜你。

I…

我……

I don't thank you I said congratulations on that.

我不感谢你，我只是说恭喜你。

That's a wonderful achievement for you.

这对你来说是一个了不起的成就。

Yeah recently…

是啊，最近……

What type of uh feedback have you gotten from the students?

您从学生那里得到了什么类型的反馈？

uh it's, to be honest, most of the comments are just the ‘thank you’ comments like

呃，说实话，大部分的评论都是‘谢谢’的评论，就像

you know Teacher, Teacher Luke, they call me Teacher Luke, thank you I got my score

你知道的，老师，卢克老师，他们叫我卢克老师，谢谢你，我就是

just by watching your YouTube videos.

看你的YouTube视频才得到我的分数的。

Wow.

哇。

Or um, you know, I actually, I have an application which I’ve developed and at least they try

或者嗯，你知道，实际上，我开发了一个应用程序，至少他们尝试

that they say, ‘oh, thank you it helped me a lot’.

说，“哦，谢谢，它对我帮助很大”。

And most of them just ‘thank you’ questions.

其中大多数只是“谢谢”问题。

um on the other hand, I do have, you know, some questions about the um the…

嗯，另一方面，我确实有一些关于嗯的问题……

Okay, so if a student breaks a rule on the Duolingo Test, then the test becomes uncertified.

好吧，所以如果学生违反了 Duolingo 测试的规则，那么该测试将变得未经认证。

So for example, like if… if you're because you take it at home, you need to make sure

举个例子，如果……如果你把它带回家，你需要确保

your…

你的……

your eyes are pretty much uh looking at your computer the whole time,

你的眼睛一直在看着你的电脑，

You can't go away because they need to validate the test and make sure that no one's cheating,

你不能离开，因为它们需要验证考试并确保没有人作弊，

right.

对吧。

Off someone…

离开某人……

could be off camera show yeah okay…

可以离开镜头表演是的，好吧……

There are a lot…

有很多……

there are lots of rules students need to follow.

学生需要遵守很多规则。

um so I do get a lot of emails about students or comments um saying you know can you help

嗯，所以我确实收到了很多关于学生的电子邮件或评论，嗯说你知道你能帮助

me, I keep…

我吗，我一直……

I keep breaking this rule by mistake, basically.

基本上，我一直错误地违反了这条规则。

um it's very…

嗯，这非常……

it's kind of hard for me to respond to those questions… to those types of comments but

对我来说很难回答这些问题……这些类型的评论，但是

um yeah Yeah.

嗯，是的。

So it's basically two.

所以基本上是两个。

I have ‘thank you’ comments and ‘help me’ comments.

我有“谢谢”评论和“帮助我”评论。

Please… please help me stop breaking this rule.

拜托……请帮助我停止违反这条规则。

Right well goodness…

好吧，天哪……

thank goodness that's not a rule for me.

谢天谢地，这对我来说不是规则。

I think I’ve looked away from the camera numerous times during the chat…

我想我在聊天过程中无数次把目光从镜头上移开……

It's just a natural reaction for people, right?

这只是人们的自然反应，对吧？

It is, unfortunately, it is, but yeah I know it is.

不幸的是，确实如此，但我知道确实如此。

And I feel sorry for students because it's not easy to stare at your computer the whole

我为学生们感到遗憾，因为盯着电脑一

time for a whole hour.

小时并不容易。

Yeah.

是的。

But, you have to remember that this Duolingo Test, they are allowing you to take the test

但是，您必须记住，这次 Duolingo 测试，他们允许您

from home.

在家 参加测试 。

And they have to make sure it's secure because it needs to be a reliable test, so you need

他们必须确保它是安全的，因为它需要是一个可靠的测试，所以你需要

to focus on uh following the rules.

专注于遵守规则。

um the test is pretty…

嗯，测试很不错……

they're pretty kind though the Duolingo because if you break a rule, you can actually take

虽然 Duolingo 非常友善，因为如果你违反了规则，你实际上可以

the test again for free.

免费再次参加测试。

Oh, that's a great thing to know.

哦，这是一件很棒的事情。

Yeah that's… that's…

是的，那是……那是……

I think that's very generous of them.

我认为他们非常慷慨。

They… you'll get an email saying, our proctor found that you were looking away from up to

他们……你会收到一封电子邮件，说，我们的监考人员发现你的目光离开了长达

a three sec… up to five seconds or something and… can't do that so here's a you know

三秒……长达五秒或类似的东西，并且……不能这样做，所以这是一个你知道的

a free coupon or something like that.

免费优惠券或类似的东西。

I think they get three… three goes.

我认为他们得到了三……三。

Okay, for the practice tests um… and then there are practice tests for the students

好的，对于练习测试，嗯……然后还有练习测试供学生

to take?

参加？

Yeah, on my website.

是的，在我的网站上。

Yeah.

是的。

Okay, wonderful.

好吧，太棒了。

So yeah I was just gonna say we'll get to the website in in just a sec but I wanted

所以，是的，我只是想说我们会在一秒钟内访问该网站，但我想问

to ask, during the student’s practice test, do they get flagged or is there any guidance

，在学生的练习测试期间，他们是否会被标记，或者是否有任何指导表明

that they might be breaking a rule?

他们可能违反规则？

No, unfortunately, not.

不，不幸的是，没有。

No, no.

不，不。

So that… that could be something that's the Duolingo team…

所以……这可能是 Duolingo 团队的事情……

I could suggest them… that's actually quite a good thing to do because actually on the

我可以建议他们……这实际上是一件好事，因为实际上在

Duolingo website, you can do a 10-minute practice… to practice test so that could be that could

Duolingo 网站上，你可以做 10 分钟的练习……练习测试，这样就可以了

be good for them to… to flag those type of rules.

对他们有好处……标记这些类型的规则。

So from your website, students can get specific guidance from you, recommendations from you

因此，从您的网站上，学生可以从您那里获得具体指导，以及

on how they should be answering the questions.

如何回答问题的建议。

That's the YouTube material.

那是 YouTube 材料。

uh when we go to the website, what do we get from your website?

呃，当我们访问该网站时，我们从您的网站上得到什么？

Yeah, so I have two… let’s call them ‘products’ - two things I…

是的，所以我有两个……让我们称它们为“产品”——我……

I sell on the website.

我在网站上出售的两件事。

So I have courses - where students can take more detailed lessons from me, right.

所以我有课程——学生可以从我这里学习更详细的课程，对吧。

YouTube is a bit um…

YouTube 有点……

no, I focus, I do very good I know I…

不，我专注，我做得很好，我知道我……

I try very hard to make my YouTube videos as good as possible.

我非常努力地让我的 YouTube 视频尽可能好。

But the nature of YouTube means that you can't really organize lessons into a course because

但 YouTube 的性质意味着您无法真正将课程组织成一门课程，因为

YouTube's a bit more like just individual videos, whereas on my website, my courses

YouTube 更像是单个视频，而在我的网站上，我的课程

are very organized.

非常有条理。

We go through strategies from like, you know, sentence one to sentence ten in your step-by-step

我们会在您的分步策略中介绍从第一句到第十句的策略

strategies.

。

And also there's pdfs they can download.

他们还可以下载 pdf 文件。

On top of that, I have…

最重要的是，我……

I developed an application - a web app - where students can actually take thousands…

我开发了一个应用程序 - 一个网络应用程序 - 学生实际上可以在其中做数千个……

I think maybe 10,000 practice questions and get instant feedback.

我想也许有 10,000 个练习问题并获得即时反馈。

Wow.

哇。

So it sounds like the complete package then.

所以这听起来像是完整的一揽子计划。

From the website, they can have the course material where it's a… it's a step-by-step

从网站上，他们可以获得课程材料，这是一个循序渐进的

process.

过程。

And then as a supplement, and correct me at any point if I’m wrong, but as a supplement

然后作为补充，如果我错了，请随时纠正我，但作为补充，

go to your YouTube channel and learn some guidance there.

请访问您的 YouTube 频道并在那里学习一些指导。

But also, just learn some in general stuff that can help you with the test.

而且，只需学习一些可以帮助您完成测试的一般知识。

And then the app.

然后是应用程序。

Well that's just convenient.

嗯，这只是方便而已。

And you can get lots of help from that and use it whenever you want to.

您可以从中获得很多帮助，并在需要时使用它。

Use it on your subway commute you know to school or something like that.

在你知道的去学校或类似的地铁通勤中使用它。

Yeah, exactly.

是的，完全正确。

So when I… it was about a year ago, I started developing these…

所以，当我……大约一年前，我开始开发这些……

these um tools… and I thought to myself, okay so what can

这些嗯工具……我心想，好吧，

I what can I actually do you know help the students in the most like organized way?

我能做什么，你知道我能以最有组织的方式帮助学生吗？

I thought of it of learn and practice.

我想到了学习和实践。

Learn… you learn the strategies from my YouTube or my online courses.

学习……您可以从我的 YouTube 或我的在线课程中学习策略。

Learn lots about the test.

了解很多有关测试的信息。

But then you need to practice it and get feedback.

但接下来你需要练习并获得反馈。

So that's where the practice app came into… came into play.

这就是练习应用程序发挥作用的地方。

And that was months of hard work, uh… sleepless nights, but we got it done.

那是几个月的艰苦工作，呃……不眠之夜，但我们完成了。

And it works very well.

而且效果很好。

And yeah we got a lot of good feedback from… from that.

是的，我们从中得到了很多好的反馈。

Fantastic.

极好的。

So what are your final words?

那么你的最后一句话是什么？

As talking to your students, or potential subscribers right now, why should they come

当您现在与您的学生或潜在订阅者交谈时，他们为什么要来参加

to Luke Jone’s Duolingo English Test uh practice uh app or the YouTube channel or

Luke Jones 的 Duolingo 英语测试呃练习呃应用程序或 YouTube 频道

or the website what…

或网站什么……

what do they get?

他们会得到什么？

Sell it to us.

卖给我们。

Yeah well I’d actually…

是的，我实际上……

yeah it's a good point.

是的，这是一个很好的观点。

So if a student wants to certify their English, I strongly recommend taking the Duolingo Test

因此，如果学生想证明自己的英语水平，我强烈建议参加 Duolingo 测试，

as we've talked about throughout this conversation.

正如我们在整个对话中讨论的那样。

It's affordable, accessible, much…

它价格实惠、方便、更加……

much more friendly exam.

更加友好的考试。

And I think that because of the way it's set up, you can actually achieve a better score.

我认为，由于它的设置方式，您实际上可以获得更好的分数。

Not because the Test is easier, but because you feel comfortable and more relaxed.

不是因为测试更容易，而是因为您感觉更舒适、更放松。

If you want to take that test, then of course come to my YouTube to study.

如果你想参加那个测试，那么当然可以来我的 YouTube 上学习。

We have…

我们…

I have hundreds of videos on… on YouTube for free.

我在 YouTube 上…上有数百个免费视频。

And my products, which I…

还有我的产品，我……

I do sell on my website.

我确实在我的网站上销售。

uh the cheap… the most expensive ones like $14 so I try to make it affordable for all

呃，最便宜的……最贵的比如 14 美元，所以我尽量让所有

students.

学生都能负担得起。

And yeah you can contact me.

是的，你可以联系我。

I sometimes do live… live lessons where I can interact with my audience as well so…

我有时会做现场……现场课程，我也可以与观众互动，所以……

Wonderful.

太棒了。

I’m around to…

我会……

I'll do my best to answer your questions basically and help you as much as I can.

我会尽力基本上回答您的问题并尽我所能为您提供帮助。

All right so well let's go over it one more time to make sure we've got it all.

好吧，让我们再看一遍，以确保我们已经掌握了所有内容。

The YouTube channel is called…

YouTube 频道名为……

Yeah, Teacher Luke - Duolingo English Test.

是的，卢克老师 - Duolingo 英语测试。

The website is… detready.com Duolingo English Test.

该网站是... detready.com Duolingo 英语测试。

And the app is called…

该应用程序的名称是……

That's on the website.

在网站上。

You can do the website you can access it through the website.

你可以做一个网站，你可以通过网站访问它。

Yes, very good.

是的，很好。

Well Luke Jones, once again congratulations to you on your success.

卢克·琼斯，再次祝贺您取得成功。

um this is a really interesting trend I think in the English as a second language uh community

嗯，这是一个非常有趣的趋势，我认为在英语作为第二语言呃社区中

where you know everyone is familiar with IELTS, everyone is familiar with TOEFL, but maybe

，你知道每个人都熟悉雅思，每个人都熟悉托福，但也许

not everyone around the world is familiar with this new uh, maybe perhaps better option,

世界上并不是每个人都熟悉这个新的呃，也许更好选项，

the Duolingo English Test.

Duolingo 英语测试。

Good luck in your future.

祝你未来好运。

Good luck with all of your endeavors and thanks so much for uh being on speaking uh Speak

祝您一切顺利，非常感谢您

English Fluently today.

今天能够流利地说英语。

It was a pleasure.

这是一种乐趣。

Yeah thank you so much.

是的，非常感谢。

That was a lot of fun, thanks a lot.

这很有趣，非常感谢。

Well thank you once again to Luke Jones uh for joining me on Speak English Fluently.

再次感谢卢克·琼斯加入我的《说流利的英语》节目。

That was a lot of fun to learn about that particular topic and once again I wish Luke

了解这个特定的主题非常有趣，我再次祝愿卢克

success in the future.

未来取得成功。

If you want to check out some more interviews that I did from my own channel, you can search

如果您想查看我在自己的频道中进行的更多采访，您可以搜索

Storytime Steve Hatherly, simply story time one word, and then Steve Hatherly.

Storytime Steve Hatherly，只需搜索 Storytime 一个词，然后搜索 Steve Hatherly。

My channel will pop up there.

我的频道将在那里弹出。

Lots of fun interviews that you can enjoy, too.

您也可以享受许多有趣的采访。

uh, again, thank you to Luke Jones for joining me on Speak English Fluently and I hope you'll

呃，再次感谢卢克·琼斯和我一起讲流利的英语，我希望你

come back next time.

下次能回来。