How to change your behavior for the better | Dan Ariely

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Translator: Joseph Geni Reviewer: Camille Martínez
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譯者: Lilian Chiu 審譯者: SF Huang
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Hi.
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嗨。
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You might have noticed that I have half a beard.
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你們可能已經注意到 我的鬍子只有一半。
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It's not because I lost a bet.
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不是因為我打賭輸了。
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Many years ago, I was badly burned.
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很多年前,我遭受嚴重的燒燙傷。
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Most of my body is covered with scars,
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我的身體上佈滿了傷疤,
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including the right side of my face.
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包括我的右臉頰。
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I just don't have hair. That's just how it happened.
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我長不出毛髮。就是這麼回事。
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It looks symmetrical, but almost.
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它看起來是對稱的,接近對稱。
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Anyway, now that we discussed facial hair,
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總之,我們已經談了臉上的毛髮,
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let's move to social science.
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現在就接著談社會科學吧。
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And in particular, I want us to think about where is the potential for humanity
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我特別希望大家能夠想想
人類的潛能及我們目前發揮到哪裡。
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and where we are now.
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And if you think about it, there's a big gap
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仔細想想,會發現
我們認為能夠發揮與實際發揮的潛能
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between where we think we could be and where we are,
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兩者間有很大的落差,
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and it's in all kinds of areas.
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且在各領域皆是如此。
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So let me ask you:
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讓我問大家一個問題:
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How many of you in the last month have eaten more than you think you should?
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過去一個月中, 在座的各位有誰飲食過量?
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Just kind of general. OK.
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幾乎都有。好。
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How many of you in the last month have exercised less than you think you should?
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過去一個月中 誰覺得自己的運動量不足?
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OK, and for how many of you has raising your hands twice
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好,有誰舉這兩次手
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been the most exercise you got today?
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就是今天最大的運動量了?
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(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
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How many of you have ever texted while driving?
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有誰在開車時發過訊息?
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OK, we're getting honest. Let's test your honesty.
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好,大家越來越誠實了。 來測試大家的誠實度。
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How many people here in the last month
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有誰在上個月
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have not always washed your hands when you left the bathroom?
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上完廁所之後不見得每次都會洗手?
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(Laughter)
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(笑聲)沒那麼誠實了。
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A little less honest.
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By the way, it's interesting how we're willing to admit texting and driving
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順道一提,有趣的是, 我們都願意承認邊開車邊發訊息,
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but not washing our hands, that's difficult.
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至於洗手,就很難承認。
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(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
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We can go on and on.
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我們可以一直問下去。
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The problem, the topic is that there's lots of things
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問題是,有很多事情
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when we know what we could do --
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當我們知道自己要怎麼做——
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we could be very, very different, but we're acting in a very different way.
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我們就能有很大的改變, 但我們卻選擇了不同的做法。
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And when we think how do we bridge that gap,
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想想看要如何消除這個落差,
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the usual answer is, "Just tell people."
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一般人的答案通常是「告訴別人」。
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For example, just tell people that texting and driving is dangerous.
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比如,告訴別人, 邊開車邊發訊息很危險。
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Did you know it's dangerous? You should stop doing it.
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你們知道很危險嗎?別這麼做了。
你告訴別人某件事很危險, 他們就不會再去做。
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You tell people something is dangerous, and they will stop.
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邊開車邊發訊息是一例。
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Texting and driving is one example.
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Another very sad example is that in the US,
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另一個可悲的例子是,
在美國,每年我們要花七到八億美金
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we spend between seven and eight hundred million dollars a year
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on what's called "financial literacy."
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在所謂的「財務素養」上。
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And what do we get as a consequence of that?
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我們有得到什麼成果嗎?
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There was recently a study that looked at all the research ever to be conducted
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最近有一篇研究,探討了過去所有
曾經進行過的財務素養 相關研究——這叫做整合分析。
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on financial literacy -- what's called a meta-analysis.
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And what they found is that when you tell people,
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他們發現當你告訴別人,
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you teach them financial literacy,
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當你教導別人財務素養,
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they learn and they remember.
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他們會學習並記下來。
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But do people execute? Not so much.
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但他們會執行嗎?不常。
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The improvement is about three or four percent
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在課程剛結束後, 還有 3~4% 的人會做改進,
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immediately after the course,
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and then it goes down.
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之後就越來越少。
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And at the end of the day,
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到頭來,
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the improvement is about 0.1 percent --
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只有約 0.1% 的人會做改進,
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not zero, but as humanly close to zero as possible.
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不是 0,但從人類的角度 來說是非常接近 0 了。
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(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
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So that's the sad news.
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所以遺憾的消息是,
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The sad news is, giving information to people
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把資訊給別人並不是 改變行為的好方法。
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is just not a good recipe to change behavior.
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What is?
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好方法是什麼?嗯,
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Well, social science has made lots of strides,
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社會科學有很大的進步,
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and the basic insight is that if we want to change behavior,
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基本的見解是, 如果我們想要改變行為,
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we have to change the environment.
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我們就得改變環境。
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The right way is not to change people, it's to change the environment.
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正確的方式不是去改變人, 而是去改變環境。
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And I want to present a very simpleminded model of how to think about it:
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我想給各位看一個很簡單的 模型,說明我們是怎麼想的:
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it's to think about behavioral change
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就是將火箭送入太空的思考方式 運用在行為改變的思考模式上。
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in the same way that we think about sending a rocket to space.
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When we think about sending a rocket to space,
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當我們思考將火箭送入太空時, 需做兩件重要的事情。
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we want to do two main things.
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The first one is to reduce friction.
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第一,減少摩擦力。
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We want to take the rocket and have as little friction as possible
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我們要讓火箭的摩擦力越小越好,
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so it's the most aerodynamic possible.
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越符合空氣動力學越好。
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And the second thing is we want to load as much fuel as possible,
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第二,我們會想裝載的燃料越多越好,
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to give it the most amount of motivation, energy to do its task.
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讓火箭能有最大的 推動力和能源去完成任務。
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And behavior change is the same thing.
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行為改變也是一樣的道理。
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So let's first talk about friction.
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我們先來談談摩擦力。
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In this particular case study I'll tell you about,
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讓我跟各位談一項個案研究,
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there's a pharmacy, an online pharmacy.
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有一家藥局,線上藥局。
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Imagine you go to your doctor.
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想像你去看醫生。
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You have a long-term illness,
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你得了慢性病,
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your doctor prescribes to you a medication,
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醫生幫你開了處方用藥,
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you sign up for this online pharmacy
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你在這間線上藥局註冊,
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and you get your medication in the mail every 90 days.
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每九十天就會寄送藥品給你。
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Every 90 days, medication, medication, medication.
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每九十天,藥物、藥物、藥物。
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And this online pharmacy wants to switch people
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這間線上藥局想要讓客人
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from branded medication to generic medication.
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將藥品從原廠藥改為學名藥。
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So they send people letters, and they say,
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所以,他們寄信給客戶說:
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"Please, please, please, switch to generics.
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「拜託,拜託,拜託,改買學名藥。
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You will save money, we will save money, your employer will save money."
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你能省錢,我們能省錢, 你的僱主也能省錢。」
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And what do people do?
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大家會做什麼?什麼都不做。
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Nothing.
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So they try all kinds of things and nothing happens.
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他們試過各種方法,都沒有用。
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So for one year, they give people an amazing offer.
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有一年,他們祭出一項大利多。
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They send people a letter, and they say,
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他們發信給客戶:
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"If you switch to generics now, it will be free for a whole year."
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「如果現在換成學名藥, 一整年都免費。」
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Free for a whole year. Amazing!
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一整年免費!太棒了!
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What percentage of people do you think switched?
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各位認為有百分之幾的人換藥了?
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Less than 10 percent.
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不到 10 %。
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At this point, they show up to my office.
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這時,他們來到我的辦公室。
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And they come to complain.
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他們來抱怨。
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Why did they pick me?
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他們為何挑上我?我寫了 幾篇「免費的誘惑」的論文。
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I wrote a couple of papers on the "allure of free."
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In those papers, we showed that if you reduce the price of something
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在那些論文中,我們說明 如果調降某樣東西的價格,
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for, let's say, 10 cents to one cent, nothing much happens.
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比如,從十分錢減到一分錢, 人們不太會有什麼反應。
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You reduce it from one cent to zero, now people get excited.
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但若從一分錢變成免費, 大家就會興奮起來。
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(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
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And they said, "Look, we read these papers on 'free,' we gave 'free.'
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他們說:「我們讀了 這些『免費』的論文,
我們也做到『免費』, 結果卻不如預期。
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Not working as we expected.
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What's going on?"
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怎麼搞的?
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I said, "You know, maybe it's a question of friction."
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我說:「也許問題在於摩擦力。」
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They said, "What do you mean?"
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他們說:「意思是?」
我說:「客戶本來就用原廠藥。
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I said, "People are starting with branded.
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They can do nothing and end with branded.
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他們什麼事都不用做, 頂多就是照用原廠藥。
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To move to generic, they have to choose generic over branded,
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要換成學名藥, 他們還得要選學名藥的品牌,
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but they also have to do something.
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但他們還得做另一件事。
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They have to return the letter."
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他們得要回信。」
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So this is what we call a "confounded design."
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這是我們所謂的「混雜設計」。
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Two things are happening at the same time.
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兩件事同時發生。
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It's branded versus generic,
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原廠藥與學名藥,
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but it's doing nothing versus doing something.
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對應著什麼都不做與做點什麼。
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So I said, "Why don't we switch it?
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所以,我說:「不如互換一下吧?
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Why don't we send people a letter and say, 'We're switching you to generics.
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為什麼不寄信給客戶說: 『我們要把你的藥換成學名藥。
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You don't need to do anything.
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你什麼都不用做。
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If you want to stay with branded, please return the letter.'"
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如果你想要繼續用原廠藥,請回信。」
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(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
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Right?
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是吧?
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What do you think happened?
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你們認為結果如何?
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Lawyers, lawyers happened.
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律師,律師會找上門。
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(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
後來發現,這樣做不合法。
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It turns out, this is illegal.
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(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
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By the way, for brainstorming and creativity,
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順道一提,如果是 為了腦力激盪和創意,
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doing things that are illegal and immoral, it's fine,
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做不合法、不道德的事沒關係,
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as long as it's just in the brainstorming phase.
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只要還停留在腦力激盪階段就沒問題。
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(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
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But this was the purity of the idea,
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但這個想法太簡單,
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because the initial design was the branded had the no-action benefit.
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因為在最初用的設計上, 原廠藥具有「不行動」的優勢。
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In my illegal, immoral design, generic had the no-action benefit.
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在我那不合法、不道德的設計中, 學名藥具有「不行動」的優勢。
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But they agreed to give people a T-intersection:
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但他們同意要提供 客戶一個 T 叉路:
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send people a letter and say,
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發信給客戶說: 「如果你不回覆這封信,
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"If you don't return this letter,
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we will be forced to stop your medications.
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我們會被迫停止寄藥給你。
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But when you return the letter, you could choose branded at this price,
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但當你回信時,你能選擇 這個價格的原廠藥,
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generic at this price."
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或這個價格的學名藥。」
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Now people had to take an action.
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現在客戶得採取行動了。 現在兩個選項的立足點平等吧?
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They were on even footing. Right?
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It wasn't that one had the no-action benefit.
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沒有任何一種藥具有「不行動」優勢。
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What percentage do you think switched?
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各位認為有多少比例的人換藥?
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The vast majority switched.
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絕大多數換了。
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So what does it tell us?
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這告訴我們什麼? 大家喜歡學名藥或原廠藥?
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Do people like generics, or do we like branded?
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We hate returning letters.
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我們討厭回信。
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(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
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This is the story of friction: small things really matter.
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這就是摩擦力的故事:
小地方很重要。
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And friction is about taking the desired behavior
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摩擦力的重點在於採取所欲之行為,
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and saying: Where do we have too much friction
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說:哪個地方的摩擦力太大,
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so it's slowing people down from acting on it?
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讓大家拖拖拉拉地去做這件事?
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And every time you see that the desired behavior
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每當你發現預期的行為 和簡而易行的行為並不一致時,
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and the easy behavior are not aligned,
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it means we want to try and realign them.
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表示需試著讓它們調整到一致。
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That's the first part. We talked about friction.
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我們剛談的摩擦力是第一部分。
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Now let's talk about motivation.
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現在來談談動機。
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In this particular study,
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在這項研究中,
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we were trying to get very poor people in a slum called Kibera in Kenya
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我們試圖要讓肯亞 基貝拉貧民窟的窮人,
07:28
to save a little bit of money for a rainy day.
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存一點錢來未雨綢繆。
07:31
You know, if you're very, very poor, you have no extra money,
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要知道,如果你非常窮, 你沒有額外的錢,
07:34
you live hand to mouth,
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你過著勉強餬口的日子, 但天有不測風雲。
07:35
and from time to time, bad things happen.
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07:37
And when something bad happens, you have nothing to draw on, you borrow.
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當壞事發生時,你手頭上 沒有錢,只好去借錢。
07:42
The Kibera people can borrow at sometimes up to 10 percent interest a week.
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基貝拉貧民窟的人有時
借錢的週利率會高達 10%。
07:48
And then, of course, it's really hard to get out of it.
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當然,接下來就很難脫身了。
07:51
You live hand to mouth, something bad happens,
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你三餐無以為繼,當壞事發生時,
07:53
you borrow, things get worse and worse and worse.
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你得去借錢,然後每況愈下。
07:56
So we wanted people to keep a little bit of money for a rainy day.
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所以我們希望他們能 存一點錢來未雨綢繆。
08:00
And we thought about what is the motivation,
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我們想過動機是什麼,
08:02
what is the fuel that we need to add?
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我們需要添加什麼樣的燃料?
08:05
And we tried all kinds of things.
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我們什麼都試過了。
08:07
Some people, we texted them once a week and said,
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我們會發訊息給某些人, 一週發一次說:
08:09
"Please try to save 100 shillings" -- about a dollar -- "this week."
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「這週請試著存一百先令」——
大約是一美金。
08:14
Some people, we sent a text message as if it came from their kids.
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我們也假扮某些人的孩子 來發訊息給他們。
08:19
So it said, "Hi Mom, hi Dad, this is little Joey" --
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訊息會說:「嗨,媽,嗨, 爸,我是小喬伊」——
08:22
whatever the name of the kid was --
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看那孩子叫什麼名字——
08:24
"Try and save 100 shillings this week for the future of our family."
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「為了我們家庭的未來, 這週試著存一百先令。」
08:28
Right? I'm Jewish, a little bit of guilt always works.
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對吧?我是猶太人, 加點罪惡感通常會有用。
08:32
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
08:33
Some people got 10 percent.
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我們給某些人 10% 的現金獎勵。
08:35
"Save up to a hundred shillings, we'll give you 10 percent."
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「存到一百先令,我們 就給你10% 的現金獎勵。」
08:38
Some people got 20 percent.
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給某些人 20% 的現金獎勵。
08:40
Some people got also 10 percent and 20 percent,
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還有人得 10%、20% 的現金獎勵,
08:42
but they got it with loss aversion.
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同時還搭配損失規避。
什麼是損失規避?
08:45
What is loss aversion?
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08:46
Loss aversion is the idea that we hate losing
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損失規避說的是 討厭損失多於享受獲得。
08:48
more than we enjoy gaining.
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08:50
Now, think about somebody who is in a 10-percent condition
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想想看,有個人 得到的是 10% 的條件,
08:53
and they put 40 shillings in.
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他存入了四十先令。
08:55
They put 40 shillings, we give them four more,
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他存入四十先令, 我們就會多給他四先令,
08:57
they say thank you very much.
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他會說非常謝謝。
08:59
That person gave up six.
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那個人放棄了六先令。
09:00
They could have gotten six more if they gave a hundred,
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如果他能存到一百先令, 他還能再得到六先令,
09:03
but they don't see it.
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但他看不到。
09:05
So we created what we call pre-match.
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所以我們創造了所謂的獎金預先撥付。
09:07
We put the 10 shillings in at the beginning of the week.
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我們在一週開始時先存入十先令, 說「它在等著你!」
09:10
We said, "It's waiting for you!"
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09:11
And then if somebody puts 40 in, we say, "Oh, you put 40 in,
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若有人存入四十先令, 我們說:「喔,你存了四十,
09:14
we're leaving four, and we're taking six back."
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我們會留下四先令,收回六先令。」
09:17
So in both cases, pre-match or post-match,
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在兩種情況中,現金獎勵的 預先撥付或事後撥付,
09:20
people get 10 percent.
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他們得到的都是 10%。
09:22
But in the pre-match,
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但用預先撥付時,
09:23
they see the money they did not match leaving their account.
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因為沒有達成目標,當事人會看到 帳戶中的錢被拿走。
09:27
So we have text, text from kids, 10 percent, 20 percent,
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所以我們的策略有發訊息、 孩子發訊息、10%、20%、
09:30
pre-match, post-match.
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預先撥付、事後撥付。
09:32
And we had one more condition.
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我們還有一種做法。
09:34
It was a coin about this size,
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是一個大約這麼大的硬幣。
09:36
with 24 numbers written on it.
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上面有二十四個數字。
09:39
And we asked them to put the coin somewhere in their hut,
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我們請他們把硬幣放在小屋中的某處,
09:42
and every week, take a knife and scratch the number for that week --
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每週,拿一把刀在 當週的數字上刻劃——
09:46
week one, two, three, four --
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第一週、第二、第三、第四——
09:48
scratch it like a minus if they didn't save
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如果沒存到錢,就劃減號,
09:50
and scratch it up and down if they saved.
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如果有存到,就劃垂直的一直線。
09:53
Now, think to yourself:
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各位想想:
09:55
Which one of those methods do you think worked the best?
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你們認為上述的哪個方法最有效?
09:58
Text, text from the kids, 10 percent, 20 percent,
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發訊息、孩子發訊息、10%、 20%、一週的開始或結束、硬幣?
10:00
beginning of the week, end of the week, and the coin?
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讓我告訴各位一般人是怎麼想的。
10:03
I'll tell you what the average people think.
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10:05
We've done these studies of prediction,
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我們在美國及肯亞 都做了這種預測研究。
10:07
both in the US and in Kenya.
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10:09
People think that 20 percent will get a lot of action,
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大家認為 20% 最能激勵窮人存錢。
10:12
10 percent less,
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10% 效果差一點, 其他的都沒有用——
10:13
the rest of it will do nothing --
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10:15
kids, coin, doesn't matter.
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孩子、硬幣都沒用。
10:19
People think loss aversion will have a small effect.
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大家認為損失規避的效應很小。
10:22
What actually happened?
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那麼實際的情況如何?
10:24
Sending a text reminder once a week
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每週發提醒訊息一次
10:27
helps a lot.
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有很大的幫助。
10:28
Good news!
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好消息!
10:30
This program lasted six months. People forget. Reminding people is great.
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這個計畫長達六個月。 人會健忘,有提醒是很好的。
10:34
Ten percent at the end of the week helped some more.
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週末提供 10% 有較多的助益。
10:37
Financial incentives work.
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金錢的獎勵有用。
10:39
Twenty percent at the end of the week -- just like 10 percent, no difference.
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週末提供 20% —— 跟 10% 一樣,沒差。
10:43
Ten percent in the beginning of the week
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一週開始時提供 10% 比較有助益。
10:45
helps some more.
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10:46
Loss aversion works.
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損失規避有用。
10:48
Twenty percent in the beginning of the week,
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一週開始時提供 20%
和一週開始時 提供 10% 一樣,沒差。
10:50
just like 10 percent in the beginning of the week, no difference.
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10:53
And the text message from the kids was just as effective
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孩子發的訊息效果等同
10:56
as 20 percent plus loss aversion --
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20% 搭配損失規避——
10:59
which is amazing, right?
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很驚人,是吧?
11:01
It's amazing how motivating messages from kids were.
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孩子發送訊息帶來的動力讓人吃驚。
11:04
And one conclusion is we don't use kids enough.
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其中一個結論是, 我們應該更善加利用孩子。
11:07
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
11:09
And, of course, I don't mean in a child labor sense.
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當然,我不是指童工的那種利用。
11:16
But if you think about parents and their kids,
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但,如果想想父母和他們的孩子,
11:18
we are the best that we can for our kids,
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我們會為孩子盡力做到最好,
11:21
and we think about the future,
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我們會去想未來,
11:22
and I think we should think
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我認為我們應該想想
11:24
about how to use that amazing source of motivation
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如何利用這麼棒的動機來源,
11:27
to get parents to behave in a better way.
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來讓父母做出更好的行為。
11:30
But the big surprise of this study was the coin.
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但這項研究中最大的驚喜是硬幣。
11:33
The coin basically doubled savings compared to everything else.
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和所有其他策略比,硬幣 造成的存款幾乎都有兩倍。
11:37
And now the question is: Why? What was it about the coin?
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問題是:為什麼? 硬幣有什麼特別的?
11:41
So I'll tell you how I started thinking about the coin,
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我先告訴大家,我如何 開始發想這個硬幣策略,
11:43
and then we'll come back to it.
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接著再回來談。
11:45
So you know, when I do research on, let's say, buying coffee,
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比如,當我做買咖啡的研究時,
11:48
I don't need to go anywhere. I can sit in my office.
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我不需要去任何地方。 我可以坐在我的辦公室。
11:50
I've bought enough coffee. I know how it works.
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我買過太多咖啡。
我很了解、熟悉所有細節。
11:52
The details, I'm familiar with.
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11:54
When you do research in some of the poorest places in the world,
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當你在世界上最貧窮的地方做研究時,
11:58
you have to go and visit and see what's going on
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你得要親自造訪看看那裡的狀況,
12:00
and get some insight about how the system works.
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深入瞭解它的體制是如何運作。
12:03
And on that particular day,
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某一天,
12:04
I'm in a place called Soweto in South Africa,
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我在南非一個叫做索韋托的地方,
12:07
and I'm sitting in a place that sells funeral insurance.
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我坐在一個販售葬禮保險的地方。
12:11
You know, in the US people spend crazy amounts of money on weddings?
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你們知道在美國大家 會花大把鈔票在婚禮上?
12:15
In South Africa, it's funerals.
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在南非,是花在葬禮上。
12:18
People spend up to a year or two years of income on funerals.
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那裡的人會花一、 兩年的收入在葬禮上。
12:23
And I sit in this place --
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我坐在這個地方——
12:26
by the way, before you judge the South Africans as being irrational with this,
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順道一提,在各位評斷南非人 在這件事上很不理智之前,
12:31
I just want to remind you
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我想要提醒各位,
12:32
that spending a lot of money on funerals compared to weddings,
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比起婚禮,在葬禮花上大把的鈔票,
12:36
at least you know for sure you only have one.
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至少你能確定一生就只會辦這一次。
12:38
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
12:48
OK, so I sit in this place that sells funeral insurance.
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好,我坐在這個銷售 葬禮保險的地方,
12:53
And this guy comes in with his son -- his son is about 12 --
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有個人帶著大約 十二歲的兒子進來,
12:57
and he buys funeral insurance for a week.
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他購買了一週的葬禮保險。
13:00
It will cover 90 percent of his funeral expense
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那大約能給付他 90% 的葬禮開銷,
13:03
only if he dies in the next seven days.
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前提是他要在接下來的七天內死亡。
13:06
Right? These are very poor people, they buy small amounts of insurance
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這些人非常貧窮, 他們買非常小額的保險 ,
13:09
and small amount of soap and such.
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非常小量的肥皂等等。
13:11
And he gets that certificate,
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他拿到那張證明,
13:13
and in a very ceremonious way, he gives it to his son.
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用非常儀式化的方式交給他的兒子。
13:16
And as he gives it to his son, I think to myself, why the ceremony?
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他交給他的兒子時, 我心想,為什麼要這儀式?
13:19
What is this father doing?
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這位爸爸在做什麼?
13:21
Now, think about the breadwinner that decides on that particular day
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想想看這位賺錢養家的人,
在特定的一天決定要把一些錢 拿來買保險或存起來。
13:25
to direct some money into insurance or savings.
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13:28
What is the family going to see tonight?
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這家人今天晚上會看到什麼?
13:31
They're going to see less.
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他們會看到「變少」了。
13:33
Right? At that level of poverty, there'll be less food, less kerosene, less water --
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是吧?窮到這種程度, 表示食物、煤油、水都會變少——
13:37
something less tonight.
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今晚會有東西變少。
13:39
And what his father was doing and what our coin was trying to do
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這位父親在做的事,也是 我們的硬幣策略在做的事,
13:42
is to say, yes, there's less food on the table,
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是在說:沒錯,桌上的食物變少了,
13:45
but there's another activity.
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但還有另一個活動在進行著。
13:47
You see, what happened is, there are many good, important economic activities,
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這個狀況是:有很多很好、 很重要的經濟活動,
13:51
like savings and insurance, that are invisible.
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比如存錢和買保險,都是隱形的。
13:54
And now the question is: How do we make them visible?
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問題是:我們如何讓它們被看見。
13:58
So let's go back to our rocket model.
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我們再回到火箭模型。
14:02
We have to, first of all, look at the system
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首先,我們得要去看體制,
14:04
and see where there's little things we can fix, with friction,
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和摩擦力有關的阻礙, 有哪些小地方是我們能修補的?
14:08
where is there that we can remove friction?
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哪些摩擦力是可以除去的?
14:10
And then the next thing we want to do is to think broadly about the system,
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接著,我們需要從 更廣的角度來思考體制,
14:14
and say: What other motivations can we bring in?
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問:我們還能帶入什麼動機?
14:18
And that's a much more difficult exercise,
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這部分困難許多,
14:20
and we don't always know what would work best.
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我們不會都知道什麼方法最有用。
14:22
Is it going to be money? Is it going to be loss aversion?
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會是錢嗎?會是損失規避嗎?
14:25
Is it going to be something that is visible?
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會是看得見的東西嗎?
14:27
We don't know, and we have to try different things.
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我們不知道,我們得要做不同的嘗試。
14:30
We also have to realize that our intuition sometimes misleads us.
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我們也得知道,我們的直覺 有時會誤導我們。
14:33
We don't always necessarily know what would work the best.
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我們不見得知道什麼是最有效的。
14:37
So if we think about this gap
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所以,若去想想我們能做到 和已做到這兩者間的差距,
14:39
between where we could be and where we are,
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14:41
it's a really sad thing to see this gap and to think about it.
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看著並思考著這個差距 會讓人非常感嘆。
14:44
But the good news is, there's lots we can do.
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但好息是,我們能做的很多。
14:47
Some of the changes are easy, some of the changes are more complex.
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有些改變很容易,有些則比較複雜。
但如果我們能直接攻破每個問題點,
14:51
But if we'll attack each problem directly,
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not by just providing more information to people
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不僅只是提供大家更多資訊,
14:57
but trying to change the friction,
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而是試著改變摩擦力,加強動力,
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add motivation,
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15:00
I think we can ...
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我認為我們能…… 我們能消除差距嗎?不能。
15:01
Can we close the gap? No.
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15:03
But can we get much better? Absolutely, yes.
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但我們能變得更好嗎?絕對能。
15:06
Thank you very much.
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非常謝謝。
15:07
(Applause)
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