Facebook's role in Brexit — and the threat to democracy | Carole Cadwalladr

1,116,116 views ・ 2019-06-10

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譯者: Helen Chang 審譯者: Marssi Draw
00:13
So, on the day after the Brexit vote,
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在英國脫歐公投後的次日,
00:16
in June 2016,
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那時是 2016 年 6 月,
00:19
when Britain woke up to the shock
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英國人從夢中驚醒過來,
00:21
of discovering that we're leaving the European Union,
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發現我們即將離開歐盟。
00:24
my editor at the "Observer" newspaper in the UK
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我們英國衛報的編輯
00:27
asked me to go back to South Wales, where I grew up, and to write a report.
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派我回到南威爾斯去寫個報導, 那裡是我成長的地方。
00:32
And so I went to a town called Ebbw Vale.
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於是我去到了一個叫做 埃布韋爾的小鎮。
00:35
Here it is.
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就是地圖上這個地方。
00:36
It's in the South Wales Valleys, which is this quite special place.
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它位於南威爾斯谷, 是個很特別的地方。
00:40
So it's had this very, sort of rich, working-class culture,
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這裡充滿著工薪階層的文化,
00:45
and it's famous for its Welsh male voice choirs and rugby and its coal.
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最著名的是威爾斯男聲合唱團、
 橄欖球,還有煤礦。
00:50
But when I was a teenager, the coal mines and the steelworks closed,
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但在我的青少年時期,
 煤礦和鋼鐵廠都關閉了,
00:54
and the entire area was devastated.
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整個地區遭受非常嚴重的挫敗。
00:57
And I went there because it had one of the highest "Leave" votes in the country.
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我去那裡是因為該地區 「贊成」脫歐率居全國之冠。
01:01
Sixty-two percent of the people here voted to leave the European Union.
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有 62% 的人贊成離開歐盟。
01:06
And I wanted to know why.
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我想知道為什麼。
01:09
When I got there, I was just a bit taken aback,
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到那裡之後,我有點吃驚,
01:11
because the last time I went to Ebbw Vale,
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因為上一回我到埃布韋爾時,
01:14
it looked like this.
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它看起來是這付模樣。
01:16
And now, it looks like this.
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而現在看起來是這個樣子。
01:19
This is a new 33-million-pound college of further education
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這是新建的高等教育學院, 花了 3300 萬英鎊,
01:24
that was mostly funded by the European Union.
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資金主要由歐盟提供。
01:28
And this is the new sports center
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這是新的運動中心,
01:31
that's at the middle of 350-million-pound regeneration project
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含在 3.5 億英鎊的重建項目內,
01:36
that's being funded by the European Union.
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由歐盟出資。
01:40
And this is the new 77-million-pound road-improvement scheme,
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這是 7700 萬英鎊的 新建道路改善計劃,
01:44
and there's a new train line, a new railway station,
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還有新的鐵道和新的車站,
01:47
and they're all being funded by the European Union.
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通通都由歐盟出資。
01:49
And it's not as if any of this is a secret,
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這些可不是秘密,
因為到處都有這樣的大標示:
01:51
because there's big signs like this everywhere.
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01:53
[EU Funds: Investing in Wales]
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【歐盟基金:投資威爾斯】
01:55
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
01:57
I had this sort of weird sense of unreality,
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我帶著這種如夢似幻的不真實感
01:59
walking around the town.
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走在這個鎮上。
02:01
And it came to a head
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就在這個時候,
02:03
when I met this young man in front of the sports center.
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我在運動中心前面遇到一個年輕人。
02:07
And he told me that he had voted to leave,
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他告訴我他投票贊成脫歐,
02:11
because the European Union had done nothing for him.
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因為歐盟對他毫無作為。
02:17
He was fed up with it.
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他受夠了。
02:19
And all around town, people told me the same thing.
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鎮上處處都有人對我說同樣的話。
02:23
They said that they wanted to take back control,
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他們宣稱要取回掌控權,
02:26
which was one of the slogans in the campaign.
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那是脫歐行動宣傳的口號之一。
02:29
And they told me that they were most fed up
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他們告訴我主要是
02:31
with the immigrants and with the refugees.
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他們受夠了移民和難民。
02:34
They'd had enough.
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他們真的受夠了。
02:36
Which was odd.
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這非常奇怪。
02:38
Because walking around, I didn't meet any immigrants or refugees.
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因為我走來走去,
 沒遇到半個移民或是難民。
02:41
I met one Polish woman who told me
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我遇到了一個波蘭的婦人告訴我
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she was practically the only foreigner in town.
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事實上她是鎮上唯一的外國人。
02:45
And when I checked the figures,
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我去查了數字,
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I discovered that Ebbw Vale actually has
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發現埃布韋爾事實上
02:49
one of the lowest rates of immigration in the country.
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是全英國
移民率最低的地方之一。
02:53
And so I was just a bit baffled,
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我百思不得其解,
02:54
because I couldn't really understand
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因為我全然不知道
02:56
where people were getting their information from.
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這裡的人是從哪兒得到資訊的。
因為那些是右翼的小報紙
02:59
Because it was the right-wing tabloid newspapers
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所報導的移民故事。
03:01
which printed all these stories about immigration.
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而這裡絕大部分人是左翼的勞工。
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And this is a very much left-wing Labour stronghold.
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03:08
But then after the article came out, this woman got in touch with me.
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文章見報之後,
有位女士聯繫我。
03:11
And she was from Ebbw Vale,
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她是埃布韋爾人,
03:13
and she told me about all this stuff that she'd seen on Facebook.
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她告訴我她從臉書上看到的訊息。
03:16
I was like, "What stuff?"
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我納悶:「看到什麼呀?」
03:18
And she said it was all this quite scary stuff about immigration,
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她說是那些關於移民的恐怖故事,
尤其是關於土耳其的。
03:21
and especially about Turkey.
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03:22
So I tried to find it.
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於是我試著去找出來到底是什麼。
03:24
But there was nothing there.
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但是根本找不到任何東西。
03:26
Because there's no archive of ads that people had seen
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因為那些人看過的廣告沒被存檔,
03:30
or what had been pushed into their news feeds.
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推播給他們的新聞也沒被存檔。
03:34
No trace of anything, gone completely dark.
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沒任何痕跡,沒一點影子。
03:38
And this referendum that will have this profound effect forever on Britain --
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而此次公投的結果
將會 對英國造成永久的影響——
03:44
it's already had a profound effect:
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它已經影響深切:
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the Japanese car manufacturers that came to Wales and the north east
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以前日本車廠到威爾斯 和英國東北部來設廠,
03:50
to replace the mining jobs --
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取代了採煤的工作——
03:51
they are already going because of Brexit.
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因為英國要脫歐, 日本車廠已經在撤出了。
03:54
And this entire referendum took place in darkness,
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這整個公投在暗中發生,
03:59
because it took place on Facebook.
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因為是發生在臉書上,
04:03
And what happens on Facebook stays on Facebook,
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而臉書上發生的事留在臉書裡頭,
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because only you see your news feed, and then it vanishes,
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因為只有你看得到推播給你的新聞,
 之後那些新聞就完全消失了,
04:11
so it's impossible to research anything.
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所以根本無法研究任何東西。
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So we have no idea who saw what ads
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我們完全不知道誰看了那些廣告,
04:16
or what impact they had,
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那些廣告造成什麼樣的影響,
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or what data was used to target these people.
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或是哪些資料被運用到
那些 被設定為目標人群的身上。
04:21
Or even who placed the ads, or how much money was spent,
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甚至不知道是什麼人 花了多少錢置放那些廣告,
04:24
or even what nationality they were.
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甚至不知道他們到底是哪一國人。
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But Facebook does.
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然而臉書知道這些答案。
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Facebook has these answers,
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臉書瞭然於胸,
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and it's refused to give them to us.
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卻拒絕讓我們曉得這些答案。
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Our parliament has asked Mark Zuckerberg multiple times to come to Britain
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英國國會多次要求 馬克·祖克柏來英國
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and to give us these answers.
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提供我們這些答案,
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And every single time, he's refused.
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每一次他都拒絕了。
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And you have to wonder why.
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你必然會納悶到底為什麼。
04:50
Because what I and other journalists have uncovered
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因為我和其他記者已經發現
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is that multiple crimes took place during the referendum.
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在公投期間發生了多起罪行,
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And they took place on Facebook.
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發生在臉書上。
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It's because in Britain, we limit the amount of money
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因為我們英國 限制選舉可花費的金額。
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that you can spend in an election.
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And it's because in the 19th century,
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這是因為在 19 世紀時
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people would walk around with literally wheelbarrows of cash
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有人推著一整車的現金
05:11
and just buy voters.
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去買票。
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So we passed these strict laws to stop that from happening.
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因此我們訂立嚴格的法律 不讓這樣的情形再度發生。
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But those laws don't work anymore.
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但是這些法律現在已經不適用了。
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This referendum took place almost entirely online.
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此次公投幾乎全在線上舉行。
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And you can spend any amount of money on Facebook or on Google or on YouTube ads
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不管你花多少錢在臉書、 谷歌
或 YouTube 上頭做廣告,
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and nobody will know, because they're black boxes.
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沒有人會知道,
 因為那些根本就是黑箱。
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And this is what happened.
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因此就發生了這情況。
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We've actually got no idea of the full extent of it.
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事實上我們根本不知道 牽涉有多廣。
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But we do know that in the last days before the Brexit vote,
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但我們知道在即將舉行 英國脫歐公投的前幾天,
05:40
the official "Vote Leave" campaign
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那個推動脫歐運動的正式機構
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laundered nearly three quarters of a million pounds
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擲下將近 75 萬英鎊,
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through another campaign entity
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透過另一個競選單位洗錢,
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that our electoral commission has ruled was illegal,
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被我們的選務機關判定為非法,
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and it's referred it to the police.
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並已提報給警察機關。
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And with this illegal cash,
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該機構用這些非法的資金
05:59
"Vote Leave" unleashed a fire hose of disinformation.
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大量散佈假資訊。
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Ads like this.
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像這樣的廣告。
06:06
[Turkey's 76m people joining the EU]
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【土耳其的 7600 萬人加入歐盟】
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This is a lie, it's a total lie.
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這是謊言,全然的謊言。
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Turkey is not joining the European Union.
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土耳其沒要加入歐盟。
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There's not even any discussions of it joining the European Union.
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事實上連「討論」加入歐盟都沒有。
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And most of us, we never saw these ads,
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我們大多數人從未見過這樣的廣告,
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because we were not the target of them.
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因為這些廣告的目標不是我們。
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"Vote Leave" identified a tiny sliver of people
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「脫歐」廣告針對少數特定的人,
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who it identified as persuadable, and they saw them.
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那些他們判定容易被說動的人。
06:29
And the only reason we are seeing these now
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而我們現在看得到這些的唯一原因
06:32
is because parliament forced Facebook to hand them over.
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是因為國會強迫臉書交出來。
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And maybe you think,
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或許你會想,
06:38
"Well, it was just a bit of overspending.
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「好吧,只是多花了點錢吧。
06:40
It's a few lies."
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不過是一點謊言。」
06:42
But this was the biggest electoral fraud in Britain for 100 years.
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然而這可是英國百年來 最大的選舉舞弊。
06:49
In a once-in-a-generation vote
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這可是整個世代唯一一次
06:52
that hinged upon just one percent of the electorate.
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票數差別僅僅 1% 的選舉。
06:59
And it was just one of the crimes that took place in the referendum.
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而且這只是此次公投的
眾多罪行之一。
07:03
There was another group,
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還有另一團體,
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which was headed by this man, Nigel Farage,
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由奈傑·法拉吉這個人主導,
07:09
the one to the right of Trump.
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是照片中川普右邊那個人。
07:11
And his group, "Leave.EU" -- it also broke the law.
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他的「Leave.EU」脫歐團隊也違法。
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It broke British electoral laws and British data laws,
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違反了英國選舉法和數據法,
07:18
and it's also being referred to the police.
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也被提報給警方。
07:22
And this man, Arron Banks, he funded this campaign.
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是阿龍·班克斯這個人 出錢推動脫歐運動。
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And in a completely separate case,
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他在全然不同的另外一案中
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he's being referred to our National Crime Agency,
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已經被移送至國家犯罪總署,
07:34
our equivalent of the FBI,
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相當於美國 FBI 的對等機構,
07:36
because our electoral commission
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因為我們的選務委員會已得出結論:
07:38
has concluded they don't know where his money came from.
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不知道他的錢來自何方,
07:41
Or if it was even British.
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甚至不知道到底是不是英國的資金。
07:44
And I'm not even going to go into the lies that Arron Banks has told
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而我甚至不打算談論 阿龍·班克斯的謊言,
07:49
about his covert relationship with the Russian government.
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關於他跟俄國政府秘密關係的謊言。
07:54
Or the weird timing of Nigel Farage's meetings with Julian Assange
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也不提奈傑·法拉吉 詭異的會面時刻,
他與朱利安·亞桑傑
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and with Trump's buddy, Roger Stone, now indicted,
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和他與川普現已被起訴的伙伴 羅傑·斯通的會面時間點,
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immediately before two massive WikiLeaks dumps,
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恰好就在維基解密 兩次大規模傾倒資訊之前。
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both of which happened to benefit Donald Trump.
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兩次都讓川普得益。
08:07
But I will tell you that Brexit and Trump were intimately entwined.
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但我要告訴大家
英國脫歐與川普密不可分。
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This man told me that Brexit was the petri dish for Trump.
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這個人讓我知道 英國脫歐是川普的培養皿。
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And we know it's the same people, the same companies,
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我們知道是同樣的人、同樣的公司、
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the same data, the same techniques,
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同樣的數據、同樣的手法、
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the same use of hate and fear.
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同樣使用仇恨和恐懼。
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This is what they were posting on Facebook.
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這是他們貼在臉書上的。 【未同化的移民等於入侵】
08:27
And I don't even want to call this a lie,
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我甚至懶得說這是謊言,
08:30
[Immigration without assimilation equals invasion]
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因為我覺得這更像是仇恨罪。
08:32
because it feels more like a hate crime to me.
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08:38
I don't have to tell you
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不用我說,
08:40
that hate and fear are being sown online all across the world.
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仇恨與恐懼被深植於 世界各地的網上。
08:46
Not just in Britain and America, but in France and in Hungary
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不只英國、美國, 法國和匈牙利也有,
08:49
and Brazil and Myanmar and New Zealand.
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還有巴西、緬甸,和紐西蘭。
08:52
And we know there is this dark undertow which is connecting us all globally.
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我們知道這暗流 與全球的你和我連結著。
08:57
And it is flowing via the technology platforms.
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它透過技術平台流動。
09:02
But we only see a tiny amount of what's going on on the surface.
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我們只看到冰山上的一角。
09:07
And I only found out anything about this dark underbelly
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我得以看到這黑暗的軟肋
09:12
because I started looking into Trump's relationship to Farage,
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是因為我開始研究 川普和法拉吉的關係,
09:15
into a company called Cambridge Analytica.
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調查到一家叫做 「劍橋分析」的公司。
09:18
And I spent months tracking down an ex-employee, Christopher Wiley.
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我花了好幾個月的時間追查到
該公司的前員工克里斯多福·懷利。
09:23
And he told me how this company, that worked for both Trump and Brexit,
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他告訴我這家公司 為川普和英國脫歐效力,
09:28
had profiled people politically
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他們怎樣側寫人們的政治傾向,
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in order to understand their individual fears,
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為的是了解這些人的個別恐懼,
09:35
to better target them with Facebook ads.
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以用來針對他們散佈臉書廣告。
09:39
And it did this by illicitly harvesting the profiles
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做法是非法地採集資料,
09:44
of 87 million people from Facebook.
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採收 8700 萬人的臉書資料。
09:50
It took an entire year's work to get Christopher on the record.
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花了一整年的功夫
才把克里斯多福的話記錄在案。
09:55
And I had to turn myself from a feature writer
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我得把我的角色
09:57
into an investigative reporter to do it.
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從寫稿記者轉變為調查記者。
10:00
And he was extraordinarily brave,
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他非常勇敢,
10:02
because the company is owned by Robert Mercer,
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因為這個公司的所有人 是
羅伯特·默瑟,
10:05
the billionaire who bankrolled Trump,
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是個以財力支持川普的億萬富翁,
10:07
and he threatened to sue us multiple times,
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他多次恐嚇要控告我們,
10:10
to stop us from publishing.
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不讓我們報導。
10:13
But we finally got there, and we were one day ahead of publication.
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但我們終於完成了, 就在刊出的前一天,
10:16
We got another legal threat.
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我們收到另一起訴訟威脅。
10:19
Not from Cambridge Analytica this time,
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這次不是劍橋分析公司,
10:21
but from Facebook.
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而是臉書。
10:24
It told us that if we publish, they would sue us.
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臉書威脅如果刊出就要告我們。
10:28
We did it anyway.
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我們仍然刊出了。
10:30
(Applause)
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(掌聲)
10:40
Facebook, you were on the wrong side of history in that.
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臉書,那回你的選擇 在史上留下惡名。
10:44
And you were on the wrong side of history in this --
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這回你又選擇再加一筆,
10:48
in refusing to give us the answers that we need.
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因為你拒絕提供我們需要的答案。
10:52
And that is why I am here.
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這是為什麼我今天站在這裡,
10:55
To address you directly, the gods of Silicon Valley.
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直接對矽谷的神祇們喊話。
10:59
(Applause)
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(掌聲)
11:03
Mark Zuckerberg ...
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馬克·祖克柏……
11:05
(Applause)
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(掌聲)
11:06
and Sheryl Sandberg and Larry Page and Sergey Brin and Jack Dorsey,
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還有雪柔·桑德伯格、賴利·佩吉、 謝爾蓋·布林,和傑克·多西,
11:15
and your employees and your investors, too.
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以及你們的員工和金主。
11:19
Because 100 years ago,
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因為 100 年前,
11:21
the biggest danger in the South Wales coal mines was gas.
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南威爾斯煤礦面臨的 最大危險是天然氣。
11:24
Silent and deadly and invisible.
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無聲、無形且致命。
11:26
It's why they sent the canaries down first to check the air.
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那是他們帶金絲雀
進礦坑 監測裡頭空氣的原因。
11:29
And in this massive, global, online experiment that we are all living through,
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現在我們共同經歷
這大規模、 全球性的線上實驗,
11:33
we in Britain are the canary.
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在英國的我們就是現代的金絲雀。
11:36
We are what happens to a western democracy
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我們正是西方民主世界的
11:39
when a hundred years of electoral laws are disrupted by technology.
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百年選舉法被科技毁壞的結果。
11:45
Our democracy is broken, our laws don't work anymore,
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我們的民主被摧毀,法令不再適用,
11:48
and it's not me saying this,
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這話不是我說的,
11:50
it's our parliament published a report saying this.
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是我國國會發表的報告裡說的。
11:55
This technology that you have invented has been amazing.
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你們發明非常驚人的科技。
12:00
But now, it's a crime scene.
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但是現在卻變成了犯罪現場。
12:03
And you have the evidence.
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你們掌握著證據。
12:07
And it is not enough to say that you will do better in the future.
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光說「以後會做得更好」是不夠的。
12:12
Because to have any hope of stopping this from happening again,
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因為要能不重蹈覆轍的唯一希望
12:17
we have to know the truth.
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在於我們必須知道真相。
12:21
And maybe you think, "Well, it was just a few ads.
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或許你認為: 「不過是幾則廣告而已。
12:24
And people are smarter than that, right?"
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人們可沒那麼笨,對吧?」
12:28
To which I would say, "Good luck with that."
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對此我必須說:「祝你好運。」
12:32
Because what the Brexit vote demonstrates
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因為英國脫歐公投顯示
12:35
is that liberal democracy is broken.
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自由民主已被摧毁了。
12:39
And you broke it.
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是你們摧毁的。
12:42
This is not democracy --
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這可不是民主——
12:44
spreading lies in darkness, paid for with illegal cash,
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在暗地裡散播謊言, 用非法的資金付廣告費,
12:50
from God knows where.
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天知道這些錢從哪兒來的。
12:53
It's subversion,
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這是顛覆,
12:55
and you are accessories to it.
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而你們是共犯。
13:00
(Applause)
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(掌聲)
13:09
Our parliament has been the first in the world
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我們國會是世上第一個
13:13
to try to hold you to account,
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試圖要你們負責的,
13:15
and it's failed.
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卻失敗了。
13:17
You are literally beyond the reach of British law -- not just British laws,
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在字面上英國法律對你們沒轍——
不僅僅是英國法律,
13:22
this is nine parliaments, nine countries are represented here,
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這裡是代表九個國家的國會,
13:25
who Mark Zuckerberg refused to come and give evidence to.
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馬克·祖克柏拒絕出席和交出證據。
13:30
And what you don't seem to understand is that this is bigger than you.
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你似乎不明白,這遠遠大過你,
13:35
And it's bigger than any of us.
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遠遠大過我們任何人。
13:37
And it is not about left or right or "Leave" or "Remain" or Trump or not.
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這可不是左派或右派, 留歐或脫歐,支持或反對川普,
13:43
It's about whether it's actually possible
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而是在於有沒有可能
13:45
to have a free and fair election ever again.
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再舉行任何自由和公正的選舉了。
13:48
Because as it stands, I don't think it is.
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因為在目前這情況下, 我認為不可能。
13:52
And so my question to you is, is this what you want?
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因此我要問,這是你們要的嗎?
13:57
Is this how you want history to remember you:
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你們要在歷史上如此留名:
14:01
as the handmaidens to authoritarianism
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當威權主義的僕役,
14:05
that is on the rise all across the world?
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助長當今全球各地 紛紛崛起的威權主義?
14:10
Because you set out to connect people.
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因為你的初衷是要彼此連結,
14:13
And you are refusing to acknowledge
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而你現在拒絕承認同樣的科技
14:15
that the same technology is now driving us apart.
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事實上正將我們彼此推離。
14:21
And my question to everybody else is,
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我對其他每個人的問題則是:
14:23
is this what we want:
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我們要讓這些人僥倖逃脫,
14:25
to let them get away with it,
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14:28
and to sit back and play with our phones, as this darkness falls?
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只是坐在一旁玩手機, 一直玩到黑暗降臨大地嗎?
(倒吸一口氣的聲音)
14:34
The history of the South Wales Valleys is of a fight for rights.
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這起南威爾斯谷事件攸關爭取權利,
14:40
And this is not a drill -- it's a point of inflection.
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不是演習,而是轉折點。
14:45
Democracy is not guaranteed, and it is not inevitable,
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民主不是被應許的,不必然會有,
14:49
and we have to fight and we have to win
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我們必須要為民主奮鬥, 而且我們必須勝出。
14:51
and we cannot let these tech companies have this unchecked power.
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我們不能讓這些科技公司 擁有毫無限制的力量。
14:56
It's up to us -- you, me and all of us.
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這取決於我們── 你、我,我們所有人。
14:59
We are the ones who have to take back control.
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我們必須取回掌控權!
15:04
(Applause)
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(掌聲)
15:07
(Cheers)
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(歡呼聲)
15:10
(Applause)
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(掌聲)
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