Stephen Burt: Why people need poetry

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譯者: Joyce Chen 審譯者: Yamei Huang
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I read poetry all the time
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我時常閱讀詩,
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and write about it frequently
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也常撰寫詩評
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and take poems apart
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有時我會抽絲剝繭,
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to see how they work
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以觀察詩詞如何產生涵義
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because I'm a word person.
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因為我對文字特別敏銳,
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I understand the world best, most fully,
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比起圖片或數字,
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in words rather than, say, pictures or numbers,
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我反而最能透過文字,深刻的理解這個世界
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and when I have a new experience or a new feeling,
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且當我有了新的體驗或感受,
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I'm a little frustrated
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我常會先感到有點沮喪,
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until I can try to put it into words.
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直到我能嘗試將它們化為文字為止。
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I think I've always been that way.
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我想我一直都是這樣
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I devoured science fiction as a child. I still do.
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小時侯,我總是貪婪的 閱讀科幻小說,現在依舊如此
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And I found poems by Andrew Marvell
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而我會在裡面發現一些詩, 像是安德魯・馬維爾、
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and Matthew Arnold and Emily Dickinson
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馬修・阿諾、艾蜜莉・狄金森、
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and William Butler Yeats
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以及葉慈的詩作,
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because they were quoted in science fiction,
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因為這些科幻小說引用了他們的詩
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and I loved their sounds
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我超愛這些詩的音韻,
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and I went on to read about ottava rima
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於是我開始研究何謂八行詩體、
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and medial caesuras and enjambment
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韻腳停頓、詩句的跨行銜接
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and all that other technical stuff
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以及其他種種技法,
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that you care about if you already care about poems,
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也就是那些如果你已經很愛好詩, 就會去在乎的東西,
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because poems already made me happier
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因為詩已經讓我更快樂
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and sadder and more alive.
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也更悲傷,同時更有生命力
01:06
And I became a poetry critic
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後來我成為一個詩評家,
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because I wanted to know how and why.
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因為我想知道詩如何產生 及詩詞背後的起因。
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Now, poetry isn't one thing that serves one purpose
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詩並不是為了單一目的而存在的產物,
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any more than music or computer programming
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它不像音樂和電腦程式,
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serve one purpose.
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只為單一目的而存在。
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The greek word poem, it just means "a made thing,"
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"詩"的希臘文,僅代表"一個成品",
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and poetry is a set of techniques,
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而詩是一套技法、
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ways of making patterns
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一種架構組織的方法,
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that put emotions into words.
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它能夠將情緒轉為文字。
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The more techniques you know,
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你懂愈多技巧,
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the more things you can make,
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就能創造出愈多東西,
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and the more patterns you can recognize
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且對於某些你已喜歡或深愛的事物,
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in things you might already like or love.
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詩能讓你理會出其中更多奧妙。
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That said, poetry does seem to be
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這樣說來,
詩似乎在某些方面顯得特別有用。
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especially good at certain things.
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01:50
For example, we are all going to die.
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例如說,我們終將不免一死。
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Poetry can help us live with that.
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但詩,能幫助我們與這念頭和平共生。
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Poems are made of words, nothing but words.
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詩是由文字組成,就只是字而已。
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The particulars in poems are like
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但詩的不同特質,
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the particularities, the personalities,
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就像是人們之間互異的個性,
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that distinguish people from one another.
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區別著彼此的不同。
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Poems are easy to share, easy to pass on,
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詩文容易被分享、被傳承,
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and when you read a poem, you can imagine
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而當你讀一篇詩,
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someone's speaking to you or for you,
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你能夠想像有人正在 傳達訊息給你、為你發聲
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maybe even someone far away
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甚至是為一個與你相隔遙遠的人、
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or someone made up or someone deceased.
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或為一個虛構的人、已故的人發聲。
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That's why we can go to poems when we want to
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這就是為什麼
每當我們想銘記某人某事、
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remember something or someone,
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to celebrate or to look beyond death
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想慶祝、想超脫生死、
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or to say goodbye,
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或是道別時,都會藉由詩來抒發情感。
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and that's one reason poems can seem important,
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這也是為什麼從古至今,詩文總是佔有一席之地
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even to people who aren't me,
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就算一般人跟我不太一樣
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who don't so much live in a world of words.
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他們沒有沉迷於文字的世界裡, 詩也一樣受歡迎。
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The poet Frank O'Hara said,
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詩人法蘭克・奧哈拉說,
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"If you don't need poetry, bully for you,"
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"如果你不需要詩,那算你行!"
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but he also said when he didn't want to be alive anymore,
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但他也曾說,當他失去了活下去的動力時,
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the thought that he wouldn't write any more poems
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他如果想到"這樣就無法再創作任何詩了",
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had stopped him.
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這念頭就會阻止他去尋短。
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Poetry helps me want to be alive,
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詩,是讓我生存的動力,
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and I want to show you why by showing you how,
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我要藉由展示來告訴你們為什麼,
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how a couple of poems react to the fact that
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為何有些詩可以反映出:
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we're alive in one place at one time in one culture,
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我們只存活於一個地方、 一個時空、一個文化,
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and in another we won't be alive at all.
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而超越了那個時空, 我們根本稱不上活著。
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So here's one of the first poems I memorized.
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下面這是我最早背起的詩之一,
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It could address a child or an adult.
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講述的對象可以是小孩或大人:
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"From far, from eve and morning
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"從遠方,從日暮,從晨曉,
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From yon twelve-winded sky,
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從那有著十二個方位的天空,
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The stuff of life to knit me
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織造出我的那些生命本質
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Blew hither; here am I.
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隨風輕吹至此,我於是存在。
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Now — for a breath I tarry
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此刻--我停留鼻息,
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Nor yet disperse apart —
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仍未散逸之前--
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Take my hand quick and tell me,
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快握住我的手並告訴我,
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What have you in your heart.
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是什麼盤據在你心中。
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Speak now, and I will answer;
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說吧,我會回答你,
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How shall I help you, say;
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我該如何幫助你,儘管說吧,
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Ere to the wind's twelve quarters
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否則我就快回到 風起前的的四面八方,
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I take my endless way."
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踏上無限的旅途。"
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[A. E. Housman]
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(作者為A. E.豪斯曼)
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Now, this poem has appealed
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這首詩迷住了
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to science fiction writers.
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許多科幻小說家。
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It's furnished at least three science fiction titles,
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這首詩被用於至少 三部科幻小說的標題裡,
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I think because it says poems can brings us news
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我想是因為這首詩點出: 詩總是能帶給我們一些信息,
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from the future or the past
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無論是從未來或是過去,
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or across the world,
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甚至是從世界各方,
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because their patterns can seem to tell you
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因為它的文體似乎能告訴你,
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what's in somebody's heart.
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某人心中想些什麼。
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It says poems can bring people together temporarily,
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詩能短暫的將人們凝聚在一起,
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which I think is true,
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我想確實如此。
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and it sticks in my head not just because it rhymes
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而這首詩會留在我腦海,不只是因為它押韻,
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but for how it rhymes,
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而是它押韻的方式,
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cleanly and simply on the two and four,
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簡單扼要的在第二行、第四行
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"say" and "way,"
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押"say" 和 "way"
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with anticipatory hints on the one and three,
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並在一、三行預留線索,
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"answer" and "quarters,"
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也就是"answer" 和 "quarters"
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as if the poem itself were coming together.
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這首詩好像是自己渾然天成的。
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It plays up the fact that we die
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它強調人終將面臨死亡,
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by exaggerating the speed of our lives.
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藉由誇大的方式來呈現人生苦短。
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A few years on Earth become
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像是在地球上生存的幾年時間,
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one speech, one breath.
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變成說一句話、吸一口氣般短暫。
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It's a poem about loneliness --
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這是首關於孤寂的詩--
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the "I" in the poem feels no connection will last —
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詩中的"我",認為沒有任何連結是永久的,
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and it might look like a plea for help
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且像是在尋求協助,
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'til you get to the word "help,"
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直到你讀到"幫助"這詞,一切才具體化
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where this "I" facing you, taking your hand,
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而這個"我"面對著你,握住你的手,
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is more like a teacher or a genie,
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就像是一位老師或精靈,
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or at least that's what he wants to believe.
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或至少,是作者盼望相信的事。
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It would not be the first time a poet had
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這已經不是第一次,一位詩人,
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written the poem that he wanted to hear.
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寫出一首自己想聽到的詩。
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Now, this next poem really changed
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下一首詩,則完全改變了
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what I liked and what I read
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我喜歡的東西、閱讀的品味、
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and what I felt I could read as an adult.
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以及身為成人,我以為自己理解的事。
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It might not make any sense to you
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如果你以前沒讀過這首詩,
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if you haven't seen it before.
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有可能無法體會:
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"The Garden"
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【花園】
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"Oleander: coral
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"夾竹桃:珊瑚紅,
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from lipstick ads in the 50's.
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來自50年代的口紅廣告。
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Fruit of the tree of such knowledge
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知識樹上的果實,教導了我們何等知識。
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To smack (thin air)
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Smack ,動詞,
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meaning kiss or hit.
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意思為親吻或擊打(空氣)。
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It appears
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這個字,
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in the guise of outworn usages
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在老套字義的偽裝下呼之欲出,
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because we are bad?
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是因為我們心懷不軌嗎?
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Big masculine threat,
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濃烈的陽剛氣息朝人逼近,
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insinuating and slangy."
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充滿暗示、吊兒郎當。"
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[Rae Armantrout]
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(作者為蕾・阿曼特饒特)
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Now, I found this poem in an anthology
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我從名詩選集中發現這首詩,
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of almost equally confusing poems in 1989.
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在1989年,整本詩集都是 這種非常困惑的詩文。
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I just heard that there were these scandalous writers
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我正好聽到有些惡名昭彰的作家,
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called Language poets who didn't make any sense,
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他們被稱為"語言詩人", 專寫一些沒有意義的東西,
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and I wanted to go and see for myself what they were like,
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於是我想看看他們到底是寫些什麼。
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and some of them didn't do much for me,
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而我對那些詩卻沒有太多共鳴
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but this writer, Rae Armantrout,
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但其中有位作家,蕾・阿曼特饒特,
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did an awful lot, and I kept reading her
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她的詩讓我收穫良多, 我一直閱讀她的作品,
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until I felt I knew what was going on,
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直到逐漸明白她的深意,
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as I do with this poem.
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就如同我反覆的閱讀這首詩,
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It's about the Garden of Eden and the Fall
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它是關於伊甸園和人的墮落,
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and the Biblical story of the Fall,
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以及聖經中提到墮落的故事:
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in which sex as we know it
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也就是在性、
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and death and guilt
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死亡、罪惡,
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come into the world at the same time.
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這些同時降臨在這世界的時候。
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It's also about how appearances deceive,
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這首詩同時也述說著 外表如何蒙蔽事物,
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how our culture can sweep us along
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如何以我們的文化
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into doing and saying things we didn't intend
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迫使我們做出或說出 那原本不打算做的事,
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or don't like, and Armantrout's style
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或不喜歡的事物,而這就是 阿曼特饒特的作風,
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is trying to help us stop or slow down.
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試圖幫我們沉澱下來。
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"Smack" can mean "kiss" as in air kisses,
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Smack,可以代表親吻,像是飛吻那種,
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as in lip-smacking,
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也代表咂嘴唇,
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but that can lead to "smack" as in "hit"
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但Smack也可表示擊打的意思,
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as in domestic abuse,
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就像家暴會出現的那種,
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because sexual attraction can seem threatening.
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因為性誘惑有時看來充滿威脅。
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The red that means fertility
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珊瑚紅代表生育力,
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can also mean poison.
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也可代表劇毒,
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Oleander is poisonous.
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因為夾竹桃是有毒的。
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And outworn usages like "smack" for "kiss"
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詩裡提到的老套字義, 像是smack解釋為「親吻」
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or "hit" can help us see
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或「擊打」,可以幫助我們看透,
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how our unacknowledged assumptions
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這些毫無根據的臆測,
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can make us believe we are bad,
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如何讓我們相信自己是錯的,
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either because sex is sinful
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無論是因為充滿罪惡的性慾,
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or because we tolerate so much sexism.
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或是因為我們承受了太多性別歧視,
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We let guys tell women what to do.
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總是讓男人唆使女人。
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The poem reacts to old lipstick ads,
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詩文中反應出這老舊的口紅廣告、
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and its edginess about statement,
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急促的陳述方式、
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its reversals and halts, have everything to do
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轉折、停頓,在在都充滿了
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with resisting the language of ads
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對廣告語言的反叛 --
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that want to tell us so easily what to want,
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廣告太直白的訴說我們的欲望,
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what to do, what to think.
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告訴我們該做什麼、該怎麼想。
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That resistance is a lot of the point of the poem,
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這種反叛與詩的本意相對應,
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which shows me, Armantrout shows me
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這首詩,或說阿曼特饒特讓我明白,
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what it's like to hear grave threats
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被言語威脅是怎樣的感覺,
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and mortal dishonesty in the language
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而看穿那些日常生活中的不實的語言,
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of everyday life, and once she's done that,
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又是怎麼樣的感覺。而一旦她做到這點,
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I think she can show other people, women and men,
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我認為她就能傳達給大家,不論男人女人,
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what it's like to feel that way
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傳遞詩中的意涵,
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and say to other people, women and men
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然後告訴所有人,無論男人女人,
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who feel so alienated or so threatened
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在他們感到孤單或受到威脅時,
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that they're not alone.
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他們並不寂寞。
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Now, how do I know that I'm right
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好,那我怎麼知道我的解讀是對的呢?
07:57
about this somewhat confusing poem?
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這首詩如此令人困惑。
07:59
Well in this case, I emailed the poet a draft of my talk
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好吧,是因為我把我的講稿 email 給阿曼特勞特,
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and she said, "Yeah, yeah, that's about it."
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她回說: "對,對,大概是這樣沒錯。"
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Yeah. (Laughter) (Applause)
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(笑聲) (掌聲)
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But usually, you can't know. You never know.
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但通常來說,你根本不曉得,
08:11
You can't be sure, and that's okay.
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你也無法確定,但沒關係,
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All we can do we is listen to poems
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我們所該做的就是聆聽這首詩,
08:16
and look at poems and guess
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仔細品嚐並大膽猜測,
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and see if they can bring us what we need,
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看看是否帶來些我們所需要的東西,
08:20
and if you're wrong about some part of a poem,
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而就算你對一些環節有錯誤的理解,
08:23
nothing bad will happen.
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也沒有關係的。
08:27
Now, this next poem is older than Armantrout's,
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好,接下來這首詩比 阿曼特饒特的詩更早問世,
08:29
but a little younger than A. E. Housman's.
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但比A. E.豪斯曼的作品還後期一些,
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"The Brave Man"
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"英勇的男人"
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"The sun, that brave man,
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太陽,是那英勇的男人,
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Comes through boughs that lie in wait,
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照透那危機四伏的樹枝,
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That brave man.
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那英勇的男人啊。
08:43
Green and gloomy eyes
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一雙雙翠綠而憂鬱的眼睛,
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In dark forms of the grass
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在幽暗的草叢裡,
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Run away.
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逃散無蹤。
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The good stars,
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眾多的繁星、
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Pale helms and spiky spurs,
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蒼白的鋼盔、尖銳的馬刺,
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Run away.
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逃散無蹤。
08:54
Fears of my bed,
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面臨入睡的恐懼、
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Fears of life and fears of death,
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面臨生死的恐懼,
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Run away.
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逃散無蹤。
08:59
That brave man comes up
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英勇的男人出現了,
09:01
From below and walks without meditation,
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毫不猶豫的走上來,
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That brave man."
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那英勇的男人。
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[Wallace Stevens]
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(作者為華萊士·史蒂文斯)
09:09
Now, the sun in this poem,
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現在,這首詩提到的太陽,
09:11
in Wallace Stevens' poem, seems so grave
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在華萊士·史蒂文斯的詩中,似乎顯得憂沉,
09:14
because the person in the poem is so afraid.
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因為詩中提到的人物感到害怕
09:17
The sun comes up in the morning through branches,
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早晨的陽光穿透了樹枝,
09:20
dispels the dew, the eyes, on the grass,
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蒸發了青草上的露珠, 也就是一雙雙的眼睛們,
09:23
and defeats stars envisioned as armies.
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擊潰了一片像大軍壓境的星辰,
09:26
"Brave" has its old sense of showy
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"英勇"一詞,帶有古語中強出風頭的意思,
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as well as its modern sense, courage.
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同時也有現代的意思:勇氣。
09:30
This sun is not afraid to show his face.
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這裡的太陽對拋頭露面感到無所畏懼,
09:34
But the person in the poem is afraid.
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反倒是詩的敘述者感到害怕,
09:37
He might have been up all night.
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他可能整晚都沒睡。
09:38
That is the reveal Stevens saves for that fourth stanza,
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史蒂文斯在這邊為第四詩節留下伏筆,
09:42
where run away has become a refrain.
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第四詩節的"逃散無蹤"變成一種忍耐,
09:45
This person might want to run away too,
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即便這男人也想逃跑,
09:47
but fortified by the sun's example,
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但為了效仿太陽的英勇,
09:50
he might just rise.
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他必須挺身而出。
09:52
Stevens saves that sonically odd word "meditation"
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作者史蒂文斯以音韻破格的"冥想"一詞,
09:57
for the end.
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來做為結尾。
09:58
Unlike the sun, human beings think.
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因為人類不像太陽,人類會有所冥想,
10:01
We meditate on past and future, life and death,
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我們常冥想過去與未來、生與死,
10:05
above and below.
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上天堂或是下地獄,
10:08
And it can make us afraid.
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這些讓我們感到畏懼,
10:12
Poems, the patterns in poems,
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詩,以及詩的文體型式,
10:14
show us not just what somebody thought
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不只告訴我們某人想了什麼、
10:16
or what someone did or what happened
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做過什麼,或發生過什麼事,
10:17
but what it was like to be a person like that,
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還能告訴我們,如果你是這樣的人, 你會有什麼感受,
10:22
to be so anxious, so lonely, so inquisitive,
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當你如此焦慮、孤寂、好奇、
10:26
so goofy, so preposterous, so brave.
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如此愚蠢、可笑,如此勇敢。
10:32
That's why poems can seem at once so durable,
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這就是為什麼詩文總是如此歷久彌新、
10:35
so personal, and so ephemeral,
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同時又如此私密、而且稍縱即逝,
10:37
like something inside and outside you at once.
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私密得像是你內在的一部份, 卻又如外在世界般巨大。
10:41
The Scottish poet Denise Riley compares poetry
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蘇格蘭詩人丹尼斯賴利,曾經把詩
10:44
to a needle, a sliver of outside I cradle inside,
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比喻成一根銀針,銀針的織物 可以讓我放心窩在裡面
10:48
and the American poet Terrance Hayes
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而美國詩人特倫斯海斯,
10:50
wrote six poems called "Wind in a Box."
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寫了六首詩,題為"盒中的風"
10:53
One of them asks, "Tell me,
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其中一首問道: "告訴我,
10:55
what am I going to do when I'm dead?"
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當我死了之後要做什麼?"
10:58
And the answer is that he'll stay with us
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而答案是他將會伴隨在我們身邊,
11:00
or won't stay with us inside us as wind,
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或是像風一樣,飄然離我們而去,
11:03
as air, as words.
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像是空氣、像是話語般短暫。
11:06
It is easier than ever to find poems
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比起過去,現在很容易找到一首詩,
11:09
that might stay inside you, that might stay with you,
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能夠留存心裡且一直伴隨著你,
11:13
from long, long ago, or from right this minute,
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有些詩是古老的前人寫下、有些是當下的創作、
11:15
from far away or from right close to where you live,
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有些來自遙遠的地方,有些則近在咫尺,
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almost no matter where you live.
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無論你身處何處,都可找尋到。
11:21
Poems can help you say, help you show how you're feeling,
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詩文總是能幫助你表達你內心的感受,
11:24
but they can also introduce you
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不僅如此,還能引領你,
11:27
to feelings, ways of being in the world,
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感受另一個世界、
11:29
people, very much unlike you,
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感受人,或許那人性格跟你相差甚遠,
11:32
maybe even people from long, long ago.
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也可能那人早已永留青史。
11:36
Some poems even tell you
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有些詩甚至會直接告訴你:
11:38
that that is what they can do.
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這就是詩的功用。
11:43
That's what John Keats is doing
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約翰・濟慈有一首詩就在寫這個,
11:45
in his most mysterious, perhaps, poem.
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大概是他最神秘的一首,
11:50
It's mysterious because it's probably unfinished,
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這首詩很神秘,可能是因為 濟慈可能並沒有寫完。
11:54
he probably left it unfinished,
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他說不定是故意不寫完的。
11:56
and because it might be meant
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也有可能因為這段,
11:58
for a character in a play,
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是為他劇中的角色寫的台詞。
12:00
but it might just be Keats' thinking
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不過這首詩也有可能只是濟慈的想法,
12:02
about what his own writing,
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在想他的作品能做什麼,
12:04
his handwriting, could do,
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他親筆寫下的文字到底有什麼用。
12:06
and in it I hear, at least I hear, mortality,
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而在詩裡我體會到,起碼我體會到:死亡。
12:10
and I hear the power of older poetic techniques,
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我體會到了古老詩歌的技法,
12:13
and I have the feeling, you might have the feeling,
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且我有種感覺,我覺得你可能也會覺得,
12:16
of meeting even for an instant, almost becoming,
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覺得好像有那麼一瞬間,你好像變成了
12:19
someone else from long ago,
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好久以前的另一個人,
12:20
someone quite memorable.
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他是一個難以忘懷的人:
12:23
"This living hand, now warm and capable
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「這隻活生生的手,現在是溫暖的,充滿生氣,
12:26
Of earnest grasping, would, if it were cold
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能夠熱誠的緊握事物。但若它是陰涼的,
12:30
And in the icy silence of the tomb,
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且從冰冷寂靜的墳墓裡伸向你,
12:32
So haunt thy days and chill thy dreaming nights
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讓你日日夜夜深受驚擾,
12:36
That thou would wish thine own heart dry of blood
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你會希望自己心臟血液乾涸,
12:40
So in my veins red life might stream again,
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好讓你的紅色生命 可以重新盈滿我的血管,
12:43
And thou be conscience-calm’d -- see here it is --
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你才會安下良心並冷靜下來 -- 你看,就是我這隻手 --
12:48
I hold it towards you."
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我現在將它伸向你。」
12:53
Thanks.
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謝謝。
12:55
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