How to read the genome and build a human being | Riccardo Sabatini

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翻译人员: Jingqi Gong 校对人员: Rachel Li
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For the next 16 minutes, I'm going to take you on a journey
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接下来的一刻钟,我要带大家踏上一段旅程
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that is probably the biggest dream of humanity:
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这大概是全人类的终极梦想——
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to understand the code of life.
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解读生命的密码!
00:21
So for me, everything started many, many years ago
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我的经历开始于很多很多年以前,
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when I met the first 3D printer.
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那时我遇到了第一台3D打印机。
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The concept was fascinating.
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3D打印真是个非常赞的概念
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A 3D printer needs three elements:
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它需要三个要素:
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a bit of information, some raw material, some energy,
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少量的信息,一些原材料,再加上点能量
00:34
and it can produce any object that was not there before.
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就能制造出以前从没存在过的任何东西。
当时我正在研究物理学
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I was doing physics, I was coming back home
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and I realized that I actually always knew a 3D printer.
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有天我回到家,突然意识到我家里就有台3D打印机
而且每人家里都有一台
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And everyone does.
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00:45
It was my mom.
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就是我妈妈。
00:46
(Laughter)
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00:47
My mom takes three elements:
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我妈妈用这三个要素:
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a bit of information, which is between my father and my mom in this case,
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少量的信息——
来自我爸和我妈的共同投入
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raw elements and energy in the same media, that is food,
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原材料和能量的共同来源——食物
00:58
and after several months, produces me.
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历时几个月,制造出了我
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And I was not existent before.
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而我以前从来没有存在过!
01:02
So apart from the shock of my mom discovering that she was a 3D printer,
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除了震惊的发现我妈其实是台3D打印机
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I immediately got mesmerized by that piece,
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我还立即被另一个部分吸引了
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the first one, the information.
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第一个要素,信息——
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What amount of information does it take
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到底需要多少信息
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to build and assemble a human?
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才能制造和组装一个人呢?
01:17
Is it much? Is it little?
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是要很多?还是很少?
01:18
How many thumb drives can you fill?
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要用多少个U盘去储存?
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Well, I was studying physics at the beginning
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我最开始是学物理的,
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and I took this approximation of a human as a gigantic Lego piece.
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我想如果把人看成是一个巨型的乐高玩具
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So, imagine that the building blocks are little atoms
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小的乐高模块就像是原子——
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and there is a hydrogen here, a carbon here, a nitrogen here.
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这里有氢原子,这边有碳原子,上面这有氮原子。
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So in the first approximation,
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按照最初的这个设定
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if I can list the number of atoms that compose a human being,
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如果能够列出组成人类的所有原子
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I can build it.
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应该就能组装出一个人。
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Now, you can run some numbers
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大致计算一下
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and that happens to be quite an astonishing number.
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得到的结果非常惊人。
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So the number of atoms,
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所需要的原子的总数,
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the file that I will save in my thumb drive to assemble a little baby,
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全部存到U盘里面——即便是组装一个小婴儿
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will actually fill an entire Titanic of thumb drives --
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用掉的U盘就能装满整个泰坦尼克号
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multiplied 2,000 times.
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再乘以2000倍...
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This is the miracle of life.
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这就是生命的奇迹。
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Every time you see from now on a pregnant lady,
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现在你再看到一个孕妇
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she's assembling the biggest amount of information
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她正在组装你能见到的最大量的信息
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that you will ever encounter.
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02:16
Forget big data, forget anything you heard of.
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不要谈大数据,不要谈以前听说过的数字
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This is the biggest amount of information that exists.
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这就是现存的,最最大量的信息。
02:22
(Applause)
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(掌声)
但是......
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But nature, fortunately, is much smarter than a young physicist,
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好在大自然比一个年轻的物理学家要聪明多了。
02:30
and in four billion years, managed to pack this information
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在四十亿年的进化过程中
这些信息被压缩在叫做DNA的小晶体当中。
02:34
in a small crystal we call DNA.
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We met it for the first time in 1950 when Rosalind Franklin,
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在1950年代我们第一次知道了DNA
那时一位杰出的女科学家Rosalind Franklin
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an amazing scientist, a woman,
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took a picture of it.
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给DNA拍了张照
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But it took us more than 40 years to finally poke inside a human cell,
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但我们花了超过40年的时间,
才最终能够从人类细胞中提取这种晶体,
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take out this crystal,
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unroll it, and read it for the first time.
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展开来,第一次去阅读它。
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The code comes out to be a fairly simple alphabet,
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这个遗传密码由简单的字母表组成,
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four letters: A, T, C and G.
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四个字母,A,T,C和G (碱基)。
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And to build a human, you need three billion of them.
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要组装一个人,需要30亿个字母。
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Three billion.
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30亿....30亿是多少?
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How many are three billion?
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It doesn't really make any sense as a number, right?
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光这么说大家可能都没概念,
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So I was thinking how I could explain myself better
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我在想怎么表达才能让人更清楚,
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about how big and enormous this code is.
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这些遗传密码的数量到底有多庞大。
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But there is -- I mean, I'm going to have some help,
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所以...我需要点帮助...
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and the best person to help me introduce the code
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最合适来帮我介绍遗传密码的人,
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is actually the first man to sequence it, Dr. Craig Venter.
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就是第一位进行人类基因组测序的人,
Craig Venter 博士。
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So welcome onstage, Dr. Craig Venter.
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我们欢迎Craig Venter博士到台上来——
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(Applause)
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(掌声)
03:39
Not the man in the flesh,
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不是他本人——
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but for the first time in history,
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但这是史上第一次,一个人的基因组
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this is the genome of a specific human,
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被一页一页,一个字母一个字母的打印在纸上——
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printed page-by-page, letter-by-letter:
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262,000 pages of information,
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总共26万2千页,450千克,
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450 kilograms, shipped from the United States to Canada
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从美国运到加拿大
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thanks to Bruno Bowden, Lulu.com, a start-up, did everything.
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感谢Bruno Bowden还有 Lulu.com——
他们负责完成了这一切,一项壮举。
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It was an amazing feat.
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But this is the visual perception of what is the code of life.
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这些就是生命密码给人最直观的视觉感受。
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And now, for the first time, I can do something fun.
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现在我可以来玩点有趣的——
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I can actually poke inside it and read.
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从这里面挑一段来读一读。
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So let me take an interesting book ... like this one.
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我来找一本有意思的...比如这一本...
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I have an annotation; it's a fairly big book.
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我放了书签在里面,这书太厚了...
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So just to let you see what is the code of life.
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给你们看一下,生命的密码长什么样子
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Thousands and thousands and thousands
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成百上千...成千上万...上百万的字母...
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and millions of letters.
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And they apparently make sense.
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它们当然都有意义。
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Let's get to a specific part.
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让我来找一段特殊的
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Let me read it to you:
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读给你们听...
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(Laughter)
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"AAG, AAT, ATA."
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"AAG, AAT, ATA"
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To you it sounds like mute letters,
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你们可能觉得像是听天书,
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but this sequence gives the color of the eyes to Craig.
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但这段序列决定了Craig眼睛的颜色。
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I'll show you another part of the book.
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在看看另外一段...
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This is actually a little more complicated.
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这一段稍微复杂一些...
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Chromosome 14, book 132:
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第14号染色体,书本编号132...
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(Laughter)
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(笑声)
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As you might expect.
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你们想象到了哦...
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(Laughter)
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(笑声)
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"ATT, CTT, GATT."
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"ATT, CTT, GATT"
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This human is lucky,
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这个人很幸运,
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because if you miss just two letters in this position --
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因为如果他在这个位点上少了2个字母,
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two letters of our three billion --
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30亿中的2个...
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he will be condemned to a terrible disease:
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他就会患上一种非常可怕的疾病——
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cystic fibrosis.
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囊肿性纤维化(cystic fibrosis)
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We have no cure for it, we don't know how to solve it,
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目前没有治疗的方法,这是绝症,
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and it's just two letters of difference from what we are.
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仅仅是2个字母的区别。
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A wonderful book, a mighty book,
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这是一部鸿篇巨著,
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a mighty book that helped me understand
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它帮助我理解,也能让你们看到
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and show you something quite remarkable.
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一件更加另人叹为观止的事。
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Every one of you -- what makes me, me and you, you --
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我们中的每一个人,
是什么让我成为我,让你成为你...
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is just about five million of these,
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大概只占这其中的500万...
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half a book.
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只有半本书...
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For the rest,
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所有剩下的,我们完全一模一样。
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we are all absolutely identical.
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Five hundred pages is the miracle of life that you are.
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500页,涵盖了你的生命奇迹;
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The rest, we all share it.
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余下的,我们全都一样。
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So think about that again when we think that we are different.
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讨论人与人差异的时候反思一下,
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This is the amount that we share.
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我们有这么多共通的东西。
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So now that I have your attention,
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现在我已经引起了你们的兴趣,
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the next question is:
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下一步就是:
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How do I read it?
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怎么去读取这些信息?
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How do I make sense out of it?
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怎么理解和运用它们?
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Well, for however good you can be at assembling Swedish furniture,
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不管你在组装宜家家居上有多在行...
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this instruction manual is nothing you can crack in your life.
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这么长的说明书...基本是不可能完成的任务
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(Laughter)
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06:32
And so, in 2014, two famous TEDsters,
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2014年,两位著名的TED参加者
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Peter Diamandis and Craig Venter himself,
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Peter Diamandis 和 Craig Venter
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decided to assemble a new company.
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决定成立一个新公司
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Human Longevity was born,
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人类长寿公司(Human Longevity, Inc.)诞生了。
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with one mission:
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唯一的任务——
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trying everything we can try
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竭尽全力,穷尽其学的研究这些书目
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and learning everything we can learn from these books,
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with one target --
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只为达到一个目的:
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making real the dream of personalized medicine,
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让个人化医疗成为现实。
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understanding what things should be done to have better health
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怎么做才能提高人类健康水平
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and what are the secrets in these books.
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了解这些书目背后的秘密。
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An amazing team, 40 data scientists and many, many more people,
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一个强大的团队,拥有40位数据分析人员
还有很多其他的人力支持
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a pleasure to work with.
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和他们一起工作十分愉快。
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The concept is actually very simple.
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实际上工作流程不很复杂
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We're going to use a technology called machine learning.
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我们用一种叫做机器学习的方法。
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On one side, we have genomes -- thousands of them.
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一方面,我们有几千个基因组;
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On the other side, we collected the biggest database of human beings:
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另一边我们建立一个超大的人类信息数据库:
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phenotypes, 3D scan, NMR -- everything you can think of.
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性状,3D扫描,核磁共振,所有能想到的
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Inside there, on these two opposite sides,
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在这两个端点之间,
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there is the secret of translation.
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有神秘的翻译在进行。
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And in the middle, we build a machine.
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我们在中间建了一个机器,
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We build a machine and we train a machine --
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建好之后训练这台机器——
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well, not exactly one machine, many, many machines --
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实际上不只一台机器,而是很多台...
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to try to understand and translate the genome in a phenotype.
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试图去理解基因组并把它翻译成性状。
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What are those letters, and what do they do?
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有哪些字母——它们控制什么性状——
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It's an approach that can be used for everything,
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这是普适的方法,可以用在所有问题上,
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but using it in genomics is particularly complicated.
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但用在基因组学上异常的复杂。
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Little by little we grew and we wanted to build different challenges.
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一点一点有了进展,我们再尝试更有挑战性的东西
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We started from the beginning, from common traits.
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最开始我们从常见的特征下手,
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Common traits are comfortable because they are common,
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常见特征最容易因为它们太常见了,
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everyone has them.
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每个人都有。
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So we started to ask our questions:
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我们开始提出如下问题:
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Can we predict height?
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能预测身高吗?
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Can we read the books and predict your height?
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能不能根据这些信息预测身高?
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Well, we actually can,
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可以,在5厘米的误差范围以内。
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with five centimeters of precision.
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08:12
BMI is fairly connected to your lifestyle,
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BMI 主要跟生活习惯有关,
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but we still can, we get in the ballpark, eight kilograms of precision.
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但我们仍然能预测得差不多,8千克上下的误差。
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Can we predict eye color?
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眼睛的颜色能不能预测?
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Yeah, we can.
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可以,80%准确率。
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Eighty percent accuracy.
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Can we predict skin color?
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皮肤颜色?
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Yeah we can, 80 percent accuracy.
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可以,80%准确。
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Can we predict age?
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年龄?
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We can, because apparently, the code changes during your life.
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可以,因为很明显基因随着年龄产生变化。
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It gets shorter, you lose pieces, it gets insertions.
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DNA 会变短,缺失一些片段,插入另外一些片段
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We read the signals, and we make a model.
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我们读取这些信号,然后建立模型。
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Now, an interesting challenge:
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现在来个有意思点的挑战:
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Can we predict a human face?
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我们能不能预测人的面孔?
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It's a little complicated,
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这个略有点复杂,
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because a human face is scattered among millions of these letters.
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因为有几百万个碱基都对人脸产生影响。
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And a human face is not a very well-defined object.
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而且人脸并不是一个构造十分精准的物体。
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So, we had to build an entire tier of it
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所以必须要建立一整个单独的模块,
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to learn and teach a machine what a face is,
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给机器去训练和学习人脸是什么,
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and embed and compress it.
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再把这个模块压缩整合进去。
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And if you're comfortable with machine learning,
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如果你对机器学习有点概念的话,
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you understand what the challenge is here.
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就能够想象这个挑战是有多大。
09:04
Now, after 15 years -- 15 years after we read the first sequence --
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现在15年过去了——15年前我们读取第一条序列
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this October, we started to see some signals.
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——今年10月,我们总算有了些进展,
09:13
And it was a very emotional moment.
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当时还是很激动人心的。
09:15
What you see here is a subject coming in our lab.
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这是我们的一个测试对象,一张人的脸——
09:19
This is a face for us.
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09:21
So we take the real face of a subject, we reduce the complexity,
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我们要对测试对象的面孔进行简化,
09:25
because not everything is in your face --
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因为并不是所有的特征都是面孔的一部分——
09:27
lots of features and defects and asymmetries come from your life.
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很多特点、缺陷和不对称是生活的痕迹。
09:31
We symmetrize the face, and we run our algorithm.
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把面孔调整对称之后,跟我们运算的结果比较。
09:35
The results that I show you right now,
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现在给你们看,我们根据血液样本生成的预测。
09:37
this is the prediction we have from the blood.
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09:41
(Applause)
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(掌声)
09:43
Wait a second.
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等一下——
09:44
In these seconds, your eyes are watching, left and right, left and right,
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你们的眼睛正在左右两边交替看,
09:49
and your brain wants those pictures to be identical.
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大脑希望两幅图是一模一样的。
09:53
So I ask you to do another exercise, to be honest.
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我其实想请大家反过来,
09:55
Please search for the differences,
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找找两幅图的不同点,
09:58
which are many.
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其实非常多。
09:59
The biggest amount of signal comes from gender,
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性别提供最多的信息,
10:02
then there is age, BMI, the ethnicity component of a human.
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接下来是年龄,BMI(体质指数),种族;
10:07
And scaling up over that signal is much more complicated.
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再考虑更多因素会变得更加复杂。
10:11
But what you see here, even in the differences,
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但是这样的结果,即便有很多不同,
10:14
lets you understand that we are in the right ballpark,
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表示我们已经接近了,
10:17
that we are getting closer.
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正在逐渐靠得更近——而且这已经能够鼓舞人心了
10:19
And it's already giving you some emotions.
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10:21
This is another subject that comes in place,
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这是另外一个测试对象,
10:24
and this is a prediction.
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这边是预测结果。
10:25
A little smaller face, we didn't get the complete cranial structure,
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脸小了一点,完整的颅骨结构没预测到。
10:30
but still, it's in the ballpark.
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但至少像那么回事。
10:33
This is a subject that comes in our lab,
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这是又一个测试对象,
10:35
and this is the prediction.
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这是预测结果。
10:38
So these people have never been seen in the training of the machine.
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这些面孔在训练机器的时候是没有用过的,
10:42
These are the so-called "held-out" set.
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就是所谓的随机测试组。
10:45
But these are people that you will probably never believe.
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并且你们不认识这些人,可能说服力不太够。
10:49
We're publishing everything in a scientific publication,
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我们在学术期刊上发表了这些结果,
10:52
you can read it.
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你们可以去读一下。
10:53
But since we are onstage, Chris challenged me.
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但既然我们在台上,Chris 给我出了个点子,
10:55
I probably exposed myself and tried to predict
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我可以挑战一下,尝试预测一个你们都认识的人。
10:59
someone that you might recognize.
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11:02
So, in this vial of blood -- and believe me, you have no idea
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这里有管血液——你们很难想象
11:06
what we had to do to have this blood now, here --
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我们为了带一管血液到这里花了多少工夫...
11:09
in this vial of blood is the amount of biological information
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这支试管里的血液足够完成一次全基因组测序
11:13
that we need to do a full genome sequence.
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11:16
We just need this amount.
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只需要这么多。
11:18
We ran this sequence, and I'm going to do it with you.
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完成了测序,下面我们一条条来看——
11:21
And we start to layer up all the understanding we have.
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我们综合了所有已知的信息——
11:25
In the vial of blood, we predicted he's a male.
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从血液测试的结果,我们预测这是一名男性,
11:29
And the subject is a male.
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被试是男性。
11:30
We predict that he's a meter and 76 cm.
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预测他身高1米76,
11:33
The subject is a meter and 77 cm.
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被试身高1米77。
11:35
So, we predicted that he's 76; the subject is 82.
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预测他体重76kg,被试是82kg;
11:40
We predict his age, 38.
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我们还预测了年龄,38岁
11:43
The subject is 35.
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被试实际是35岁。
11:45
We predict his eye color.
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预测了眼睛的颜色,有点偏深了;
11:48
Too dark.
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11:50
We predict his skin color.
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预测他的皮肤颜色,
11:52
We are almost there.
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基本上准确。
11:53
That's his face.
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这是他的面孔...
11:57
Now, the reveal moment:
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现在到了揭晓的时刻:
12:00
the subject is this person.
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被试对象是这个人。
12:02
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
12:04
And I did it intentionally.
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我是有意拿自己做测试的,
12:06
I am a very particular and peculiar ethnicity.
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我属于一个特别又特殊的种族,
12:10
Southern European, Italians -- they never fit in models.
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南欧人,意大利人——从来都不符合模型预测。
12:12
And it's particular -- that ethnicity is a complex corner case for our model.
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而且这一种族在模型里是一个复杂的边界情况。
12:18
But there is another point.
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但还有另一个重点——
12:19
So, one of the things that we use a lot to recognize people
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最常用的来辨识人的方法,
12:23
will never be written in the genome.
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不是由基因组编译的。
12:24
It's our free will, it's how I look.
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是人们的自由意志——我想让自己看起来怎么样,
12:27
Not my haircut in this case, but my beard cut.
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虽然我的发型不是我自己决定的,但胡子是的。
12:30
So I'm going to show you, I'm going to, in this case, transfer it --
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下面我们来看一下——
12:34
and this is nothing more than Photoshop, no modeling --
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单纯的用photoshop,不用建模——
12:36
the beard on the subject.
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把胡子加上去。
12:38
And immediately, we get much, much better in the feeling.
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是不是立即觉得变得很相像了。
12:42
So, why do we do this?
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那么,我们为什么要研究这些?
12:47
We certainly don't do it for predicting height
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当然不是为了预测身高,
12:53
or taking a beautiful picture out of your blood.
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或者是根据血液样本得到一张美照;
12:56
We do it because the same technology and the same approach,
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我们研究是因为同样的技术和手段——
13:00
the machine learning of this code,
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对基因组的机器学习,
13:02
is helping us to understand how we work,
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能帮助我们了解人类自身,
13:06
how your body works,
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你的身体怎么运作,身体如何老化,
13:07
how your body ages,
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13:09
how disease generates in your body,
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疾病是如何产生的,
13:12
how your cancer grows and develops,
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癌症是怎么出现和恶化的;
13:15
how drugs work
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药物如何起作用——
13:16
and if they work on your body.
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药物是不是能够对你有效。
13:19
This is a huge challenge.
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这是一个巨大的挑战,
13:21
This is a challenge that we share
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而且是一个全球的科学家都面临的挑战
13:23
with thousands of other researchers around the world.
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13:26
It's called personalized medicine.
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——个性化医疗。
13:29
It's the ability to move from a statistical approach
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从只能借助统计学方法——
13:32
where you're a dot in the ocean,
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每个人都只是沧海一粟——
13:34
to a personalized approach,
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到能够实现有针对性的治疗,
13:36
where we read all these books
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通过解码这些基因信息,
13:38
and we get an understanding of exactly how you are.
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我们能够彻底了解每一个人。
13:42
But it is a particularly complicated challenge,
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但这是一项异常复杂的挑战,
13:45
because of all these books, as of today,
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因为到目前为止在这么庞大的基因组信息中,
13:49
we just know probably two percent:
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我们大概只了解2%:
13:53
four books of more than 175.
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175本书里的4本...
13:58
And this is not the topic of my talk,
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当然这不是我今天演讲的主题,
14:02
because we will learn more.
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因为我们会进步,会了解更多——
14:05
There are the best minds in the world on this topic.
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有很多顶尖的人才在从事这项工作。
14:09
The prediction will get better,
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预测能力会提升,模型会更准确。
14:10
the model will get more precise.
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14:13
And the more we learn,
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随着了解的逐渐深入,
14:15
the more we will be confronted with decisions
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我们需要做的决定会越来越多,
14:19
that we never had to face before
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而且是一些从前没有想象过的决定——
14:22
about life,
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关于生,关于死,关于子孙后代...
14:24
about death,
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14:26
about parenting.
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所以我们在此的讨论,涉及生命最本质的东西,
14:32
So, we are touching the very inner detail on how life works.
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14:38
And it's a revolution that cannot be confined
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这些改变不只是在科学和技术层面。
14:41
in the domain of science or technology.
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14:44
This must be a global conversation.
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我们必须要有全球性的对话,
14:47
We must start to think of the future we're building as a humanity.
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必须要为全人类的未来设想。
我们需要和创新人才、艺术家、哲学家交流,
14:53
We need to interact with creatives, with artists, with philosophers,
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14:57
with politicians.
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还需要政治家的参与。
14:58
Everyone is involved,
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每个人都身在其中,因为这关乎人类的未来。
14:59
because it's the future of our species.
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15:03
Without fear, but with the understanding
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不需要惊慌——
但必须了解我们现在做出的每一项决定,
15:07
that the decisions that we make in the next year
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15:11
will change the course of history forever.
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都会彻底改变历史。
15:15
Thank you.
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谢谢。
15:16
(Applause)
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(持久的掌声)
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