Rob Legato: The art of creating awe

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Translator: Joseph Geni Reviewer: Morton Bast
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翻译人员: Li Li 校对人员: Yuguo Zhang
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I worked on a film called "Apollo 13,"
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我参与过电影《阿波罗13》的制作
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and when I worked on this film, I discovered something
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当我从事这项工作时,我明白了
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about how our brains work, and how our brains work
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我们大脑是怎样工作的,其实是这样的
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is that, when we're sort of infused with
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我们或多或少灌输有
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either enthusiasm or awe or fondness or whatever,
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激情,畏惧,或喜爱或其他什么
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it changes and alters our perception of things.
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这能改变我们对事物的感知
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It changes what we see. It changes what we remember.
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也能改变我们的看法,还有我们所记的事物
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And as an experiment, because I dauntingly create
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所以我做了个试验,由于
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a task for myself of recreating a Saturn V launch
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我给自己一个重塑Saturn V(土星5号)发射时的艰巨任务
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for this particular movie, because I put it out there,
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也因为这是在电影里给别人看的
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I felt a little nervous about it, so I need to do an experiment
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我多少觉得有些紧张,所以我得做个试验
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and bring a group of people like this in a projection room
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我把大概这么多的一群人带到了放映室
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and play this stock footage, and when I played this
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放映了这段资料片,而当我在放映时
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stock footage, I simply wanted to find out
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我只是想知道
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what people remembered, what was memorable about it?
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人们记得些什么,有什么比较难忘的?
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What should I actually try to replicate?
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我得去复制模仿些什么?
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What should I try to emulate to some degree?
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我要达到怎样程度的仿真效果?
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So this is the footage that I was showing everybody.
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这就是我给大家放映的片段
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And what I discovered is, because of the nature
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由于这些片段的本质
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of the footage and the fact that we're doing this film,
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还有我们在制作影片这个事实
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there was an emotion that was built into it
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我发现,在这个影片中有我们注入的一种情感
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and our collective memories of what this launch meant to us
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还有我们对这次发射的意义
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and all these various things.
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以及其他事物的集体回忆
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When I showed it, and I asked, immediately after
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放映后,就在屏幕变黑的那一瞬间,
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the screening was over, what they thought of it,
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我问了大家有什么想法
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what was your memorable shots, they changed them.
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最难忘的镜头是什么,因为他们换一种方式拍摄
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They were -- had camera moves on them.
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火箭——上面是有摄像机在移动的
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They had all kinds of things. Shots were combined,
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他们做了很多工作,镜头是经过剪辑的
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and I was just really curious, I mean, what the hell
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而我真的很好奇,想一想
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were you looking at just a few minutes ago
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刚才几分钟前看的是神马东西
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and how come, how'd you come up with this sort of description?
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你们又是如何搞出这样的画面来的?
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And what I discovered is, what I should do is not actually
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然后我发觉,我真正需要做的
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replicate what they saw, is replicate what they remembered.
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不是复制人们看到的,而是他们记得的
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So this is our footage of the launch, based on, basically,
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所以这是我们制作的发射片段,基本上
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taking notes, asking people what they thought, and then
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来源于记笔记,询问人们的看法,之后
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the combination of all the different shots and all
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再把不同的分镜剪辑到一起
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the different things put together created their sort of
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这些放在一起的不同事物,形成了一种
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collective consciousness of what they remembered
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人们所记得的集体意识
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it looked like, but not what it really looked like.
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看起来很逼真,但却不是事实的真相
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So this is what we created for "Apollo 13."
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这个就是我们为《Apollo 13(阿波罗13号)》做出来的
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(Launch noises)
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(发射时的噪音)
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So literally what you're seeing now is the confluence
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基本你现在所看到的
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of a bunch of different people, a bunch of different memories,
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是由一群不同的人,不同的记忆
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including my own, of taking a little bit of liberty
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包括我对这个主题的一些自由发挥
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with the subject matter.
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所加起来的一个总和
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I basically shot everything with short lenses,
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我基本都用短焦镜头
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which means that you're very close to the action,
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意思就是你和这些动作是非常靠近的
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but framed it very similarly to the long lens shots
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但我把它弄得看起来像用长焦镜头拍摄的
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which gives you a sense of distance, so I was basically
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这给人一种距离感
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was setting up something that would remind you
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基本上我是有意构造一些意境来暗示你
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of something you haven't really quite seen before. (Music)
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这些你前所未见的事物(音乐)
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And then I'm going to show you exactly what it is
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我等下会给你们看
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that you were reacting to when you were reacting to it.
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你们所见的一切的背后的真相
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(Music)
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(音乐)
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Tom Hanks: Hello, Houston, this is Odyssey.
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Ton Hanks:你好,休斯敦,这是奥德赛
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It's good to see you again. (Cheers) (Music)
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很高兴再见到你们(欢呼)(音乐)
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Rob Legato: I pretend they're clapping for me.
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Rob Legato:我就当作他们是在我为我鼓掌
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(Laughter)
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(笑声)
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So now I'm in a parking lot. Basically it's a tin can,
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现在你们看到我在一个停车场,火箭就是个锡罐
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and I'm basically recreating the launch with
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我大概就是用灭火器,火
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fire extinguishers, fire, I have wax that I threw
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还有一些丢在镜头前的蜡,这样看起来会像是冰
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in front of the lens to look like ice, and so basically
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基本就是这些东西来重塑火箭发射的场景
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if you believed any of the stuff that I just showed you,
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如果你相信我刚才放映的片段
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what you were reacting to, what you're emoting to,
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那么你对此所产生的反应,所表达的情感
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is something that's a total falsehood, and I found that
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也都是被我引导的,不真实的
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really kind of fascinating.
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我觉得这挺神奇的
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And in this particular case, this is the climax of the movie,
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在这个例子中,这里就是电影的高潮
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and, you know, the weight of achieving it was simply
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要知道,要达到这种效果
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take a model, throw it out of a helicopter, and shoot it.
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只需拿个模型,然后从直升机上丢出来,再拍摄
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And that's simply what I did.
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很简单,我就是这么干的
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That's me shooting, and I'm a fairly mediocre operator,
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这是我在拍摄,我是一个相当普通的摄影师
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so I got that nice sense of verisimilitude, of a kind of,
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所以还是能拍出一种很美的逼真感,多少有点吧
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you know, following the rocket all the way down,
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要知道,一路跟拍火箭下降
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and giving that little sort of edge, I was desperately
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还要给画面留些边缘,所以我很努力地
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trying to keep it in frame. So then I come up to the next thing.
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去把它拍进画面里。之后我开始了下一项工作
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We had a NASA consultant who was actually an astronaut,
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我们有一位来自NASA的顾问,他本身就是宇航员
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who was actually on some of the missions, of Apollo 15,
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曾在阿波罗15号上执行过任务
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and he was there to basically double check my science.
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他基本就是来检验我的电影的科学合理性
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And, I guess somebody thought they needed to do that.
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我想,估计是有人认为有这个必要吧
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(Laughter)
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(笑声)
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I don't know why, but they thought they did.
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我也不知道,但他们就觉得有必要
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So we were, he's a hero, he's an astronaut, and
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他可是个英雄,一名宇航员
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we're all sort of excited, and, you know, I gave myself
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我们都有点激动,而且我还自我安慰一下
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the liberty of saying, you know, some of the shots I did
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比方说,我拍的一些镜头
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didn't really suck that bad.
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还不至于那么不给力吧
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And so maybe, you know, we were feeling kind of a little
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所以某种程度上,我们多少觉得
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good about it, so I brought him in here, and he needed
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应该还过得去吧,所以我把他带到这里
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to really check and see what we were doing,
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他也确实需要来看下我们的作品
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and basically give us our A plus report card,
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然后给我们一份A+的成绩单
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and so I showed him some shots we were working on,
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之后我给他看了我们当时做的镜头
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and waiting for the reaction that you hope for,
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然后等待期望中的答复
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which is what I got. (Music) (Launch noises)
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就是这个(音乐)(发射时的噪音)
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So I showed him these two shots,
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我就给他看这两个镜头
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and then he basically told me what he thought.
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然后他就告诉我他的想法
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("That's wrong") (Laughter)
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(“全错了”)(笑声)
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Okay. (Laughter)
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好吧(笑声)
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It's what you dream about.
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这是在你梦想的事
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(Laughter)
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(笑声)
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So what I got from him is, he turned to me and said,
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所以我得到的,是他转身告诉我
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"You would never, ever design a rocket like that.
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“你绝对,绝对不会设计这样一艘火箭
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You would never have a rocket go up
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你永远也不会让火箭
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while the gantry arms are going out. Can you imagine
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在起重臂向外伸展时起飞
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the tragedy that could possibly happen with that?
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你能想象这样做所产生的悲剧吗?
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You would never, ever design a rocket like that."
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你绝对,绝对不会设计这样一艘火箭的。”
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And he was looking at me. It's like, Yeah, I don't know
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当时他看着我,感觉就像,唉,我也没办法
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if you noticed, but I'm the guy out in the parking lot
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要知道,我可是在停车场里
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recreating one of America's finest moments with
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用灭火器重塑了美国最珍贵的时刻之一
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fire extinguishers.
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的那个家伙啊
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(Laughter)
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(笑声)
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And I'm not going to argue with you. You're an astronaut,
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所以我不会和你纠结,你是个宇航员嘛
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a hero, and I'm from New Jersey, so --
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是个英雄,我只不过是从新泽西乡下来的
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(Laughter)
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(笑声)
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I'm just going to show you some footage.
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我只不过给你看看我拍的镜头而已
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I'm just going to show you some footage, and tell me what you think.
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就给你看下一些镜头,然后你告诉我你的看法
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And then I did kind of get the reaction I was hoping for.
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之后我还真得到我想要的回应
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So I showed him this, and this is actual footage
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我给他看了这个,这是真实的片段
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that he was on. This is Apollo 15. This was his mission.
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他当时在上面,这是阿波罗15号,他在上面执行任务
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So I showed him this, and the reaction I got was interesting.
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所以我给他看了这个,然后他的反应也很耐人寻味
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("That's wrong too.") (Laughter)
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(“也全错了”)(笑声)
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So, and what happened was, I mean, what I sort of intuned
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其实事情是这样的,我所做出来的
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in that is that he remembered it differently.
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和他记忆中的是截然不同的
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He remembered that was a perfectly safe sort of gantry
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他记得的是起重架系统十分安全
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system, perfectly safe rocket launch, because he's sitting
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火箭发射也十分安全,因为他当时
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in a rocket that has, like, a hundred thousand pounds
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就坐在火箭里面,火箭起码有上万磅的推力
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of thrust, built by the lowest bidder.
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而且是最低的竞标者投资的
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He was hoping it was going to work out okay.
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他当然希望火箭不要出什么篓子
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(Laughter) (Applause)
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(笑声)(掌声)
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So he twisted his memory around.
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所以这多少扭曲了他的记忆
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Now, Ron Howard ran into Buzz Aldrin, who was not
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之后Ron Howard去见了Buzz Aldrin(宇航员),
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on the movie, so he had no idea that we were faking
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Buzz并没有在这部电影里,所以他也不知道
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any of this footage, and he just responded
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我们这些片段是做出来的,所以他很自然地
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as he would respond, and I'll run this.
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给了我们答复,我现在播给你们看下
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Ron Howard: Buzz Aldrin came up to me
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Ron Howard:Buzz Aldrin过来跟我说,
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and said, "Hey, that launch footage, I saw some shots
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“嗨,那段发射片段,有些镜头
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I'd never seen before. Did you guys, what vault did you find
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我之前都没见过,这些,你们是从哪个地下室
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that stuff in?" And I said, "Well, no vault, Buzz,
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找到的?”然后我说,“Buzz,其实吧,没有什么地下室,
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we generated all that from scratch."
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这些都是我们自己做出来的。”
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And he said, "Huh, that's pretty good. Can we use it?"
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然后他说,“噢,蛮不错的嘛。那这我们可以用吗?”
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(Explosion) ("Sure") (Laughter)
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(爆笑)(“当然可以用”)
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RL: I think he's a great American.
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RL:我觉得他是我们美国人的骄傲
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(Laughter)
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(笑声)
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So, "Titanic" was, if you don't know the story,
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再说《泰坦尼克号》,不知道的话没关系
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doesn't end well.
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反正结局很惨烈
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(Laughter)
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(笑声)
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Jim Cameron actually photographed the real Titanic.
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Jim Cameron他确实拍到了泰坦尼克号
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So he basically set up, or basically shattered
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他创造了,或者说他瓦解了
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the suspension of disbelief, because what he photographed
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观众的质疑,因为他拍摄到的
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was the real thing, a Mir sub going down, or actually
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是真实的东西,利用米尔潜艇潜到水里
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two Mir subs going down to the real wreck,
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可能是两艘潜艇潜到真正沉船的地方
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and he created this very haunting footage.
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所以他拍出了这一难忘的片段
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It's really beautiful, and it conjures up all these
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真的很漂亮,它使我们各种不同的情绪
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various different emotions, but he couldn't photograph
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都涌上心头来,但他确实做不到把全部都拍下来
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everything, and to tell the story,
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来还原故事的完整性
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I had to fill in the gaps, which is now rather daunting,
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而我得去填补当中的空白,这放到现在来说也是很困难的
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because now I have to recreate back to back
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因为我得十分紧凑地重塑
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what really happened and I had, I'm the only one
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当时真实的情景,并且我是那时唯一一个
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who could really blow it at that point.
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能把这件事搞砸的人
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So this is the footage he photographed,
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这是他拍摄到的片段
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and it was pretty moving and pretty awe-inspiring.
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确实很感人,很令人敬畏
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So I'm going to just let it run, so you kind of absorb
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我就让视频播着,让你们感受一下
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this sort of thing, and I'll describe my sort of reactions
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我描述一下我第一次看时
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when I was looking at it for the very first time.
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心里的一些想法
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I got the feeling that my brain wanted to basically
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我有种很强烈的欲望,心里很想
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see it come back to life.
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看到它重现眼前
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I automatically wanted to see this ship,
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我很自然而然地想目睹这艘船
07:58
this magnificent ship, basically in all its glory,
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这艘充满光辉和雄伟的船
08:01
and conversely, I wanted to see it not in all its glory,
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但是,我又想看看它不怎么辉煌的一面
08:04
basically go back to what it looks like.
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基本就是它现在这个样子
08:06
So I conjured up an effect that I'm later going to show you
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所以我在脑海里浮现一种效果,我等下会播给你们看
08:10
what I tried to do, which is kind of the heart of the movie,
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对我来说这算是整部电影的核心所在
08:12
for me, and so that's why I wanted to do the movie,
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这也是我为什么想参与到这部电影中来的原因
08:16
that's why I wanted to create the sort of things I created.
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这也是我创作出这些东西的灵感
08:19
And I'll show you, you know, another thing that I found
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跟你们说,我还发现一件挺有意思的事儿
08:21
interesting is what we really were emoting to
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就是当我们看到这艘船时
08:24
when you take a look at it.
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我们会表达出什么
08:25
So here's the behind the scenes, a couple of little shots here.
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这儿有些幕后的镜头
08:28
So, when you saw my footage,
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所以当你在看我的片段时
08:30
you were seeing this: basically, a bunch of guys
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你看到的是这样的:基本上,一群爷们
08:33
flipping a ship upside down, and the little Mir subs
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把一艘船给弄翻过来,那些小米尔潜艇
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are actually about the size of small footballs,
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其实也就跟足球一样大而已
08:38
and shot in smoke.
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然后在烟雾中拍摄
08:40
Jim went three miles went down, and I went about
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Jim(导演)他到了海里3英里以下去拍摄
08:43
three miles away from the studio
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而我则在摄影棚3英里远的地方
08:44
and photographed this in a garage.
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在一个车库里面进行拍摄
08:47
And so, but what you're emoting to, or what you're looking
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所以,你们所反应出来的情感,或者你们所看到的
08:49
at, had the same feeling, the same haunting quality,
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都和Jim拍出来的片段一样,有着都有同样的感觉
08:52
that Jim's footage had, so I found it so fascinating
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同样令人难忘,所以我觉得我们的大脑蛮有意思的
08:55
that our brains sort of, once you believe something's real,
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只要你相信某事是真的
09:00
you transfer everything that you feel about it,
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那么你就会有一种身临其境
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this quality you have, and it's totally artificial.
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感同身受的感觉,尽管它完全是人造出来的
09:05
It's totally make-believe, yet it's not to you,
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虽然是完全虚构的,但对你来说却不是如此
09:09
and I found that that was a very interesting thing
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我发现了其中的值得探索和利用
09:11
to explore and use, and it caused me to create the next
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的乐趣,这让我创造了另一种效果
09:14
effect that I'll show you, which is
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我播给你们看
09:15
this sort of magic transition, and all I was really attempting
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有种乾坤扭转的感觉,而我试图想达到的
09:19
to do is basically have the audience cue the effect,
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就是让观众自己去领悟这种效果
09:22
so it became a seamless experience for them,
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所以对他们来说,这融合得天衣无缝
09:25
that I wasn't showing you my sort of interpretation,
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我其实并不是要给你们看我的个人想法
09:27
I was showing you what you wanted to see.
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我只是把你们想看到的展现出来
09:30
And the very next shot, right after this --
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然后接下来的这个镜头,紧接这个的--
09:37
So you can see what I was doing.
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你可以看到我当时在做什么
09:39
So basically, if there's two subs in the same shot,
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这么说吧,如果在同一个镜头里有两艘潜艇
09:41
I shot it, because where's the camera coming from?
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那就是我拍的,摄影机就是在我这拍的
09:43
And when Jim shot it, it was only one sub,
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而Jim拍的那些,都只有一艘潜艇而已
09:45
because he was photographing from the other,
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因为他是从其中的一艘潜艇中拍的
09:46
and I don't remember if I did this or Jim did this.
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这个我已经不记得是Jim拍的还是我拍的了
09:48
I'll give it to Jim, because he could use the pat on the back.
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就当Jim拍的好了,给他一点鼓励也好
09:51
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
09:58
Okay. So now the Titanic transition.
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好吧,现在我们来看泰坦尼克号的切换
10:00
So this is what I was referring to where I wanted to basically
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这就是我所指的,像魔法般
10:03
magically transplant from one state of the Titanic
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把泰坦尼克号从一种状态
10:06
to the other. So I'll just play the shot once. (Music)
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切换到另一种状态,我现在播一遍。(音乐)
10:10
(Music)
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(音乐)
10:13
And what I was hoping for is that it just melts in front of you.
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我想要的效果就是这个画面在你们眼前融化
10:25
Gloria Stuart: That was the last time Titanic ever saw daylight.
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Gloria Stuart:那是铁达尼号最后一次见到日光
10:29
RL: So, what I did is basically I had another
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RL:我其实只是在另一间
10:32
screening room experience where I was basically tracking
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放映室里播放我所拍摄的
10:35
where I was looking, or where we were looking,
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我所看到的,或者说我们所看到的
10:37
and of course you're looking at the two people on the bow
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你们会自然而然地看着船头的那两个人
10:39
of the ship, and then at some point,
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然后在某个时刻
10:42
I'm changing the periphery of the shot,
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我慢慢改变镜头的边缘
10:44
I'm changing, it's becoming the rusted wreck,
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与此同时,船就变成了锈迹斑斑的沉船了
10:46
and then I would run it every day, and then I would find
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我每天都会播放这片段,直到我找到了
10:49
exactly the moment that I stopped looking at them
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我不再看着这两个人而开始关注其他事物
10:52
and start noticing the rest of it, and the moment
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的那个时间点
10:54
my eye shifted, we just marked it to the frame.
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当我视线转换时,我们就把这个画面嵌接起来
10:57
The moment my eye shifted, I immediately started
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在视线转换的时候,我立即
10:59
to change them, so now somehow you missed
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对片段进行转换,所以在不知不觉中
11:01
where it started and where it stopped.
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你们就忽略了它是哪儿开始和哪儿结束的
11:04
And so I'll just show it one more time.
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我再给大家放多一遍
11:06
(Music) And it's literally done by using what our brains
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(音乐)说白了就是利用
11:09
naturally do for us, which is, as soon as you shift
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我们大脑的自然反应,就是当你转移
11:13
your attention, something changes, and then I left
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注意力的时候,有些东西变了
11:15
the little scarf going, because it really wanted to be
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然后我留下一些衔接的地方,因为要让画面
11:17
a ghostly shot, really wanted to feel like they were still
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变得很鬼魅,要让人觉得那两个人
11:21
on the wreck, essentially. That's where they were buried forever.
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依旧还在船骸上,那就是两个人长相厮守的地方
11:24
Or something like that. I just made that up.
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或者类似这样的感觉,反正我随便编的
11:26
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
11:29
It was, incidentally, the last time I ever saw daylight.
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刚好那次也是我最后一次看到日光
11:31
It was a long film to work on. (Laughter)
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因为制作这部电影确实花了我很长时间(笑声)
11:34
Now, "Hugo" was another interesting movie, because
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另外,《雨果》(Hugo)也是一部很有趣的电影
11:36
the movie itself is about film illusions.
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因为它本身就有很多虚幻的东西
11:38
It's about how our brain is tricked into seeing a persistence
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它阐述了当我们看到一串连贯的画面片段时
11:41
of vision that creates a motion picture,
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我们的大脑是如何被蒙混过关的
11:44
and one of the things I had to do is, we —
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我们需要做的事情里,我们--
11:48
Sasha Baron Cohen is a very clever, very smart guy,
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Sasha Baron Cohen是个非常非常聪明的家伙
11:51
comedian, wanted to basically do an homage to the kind of
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很优秀的喜剧家,他想对Buster Keaton那种
11:53
the Buster Keaton sort of slapstick things, and he wanted
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趣剧表达一种敬意,所以他有一个念头
11:55
his leg brace to get caught on a moving train.
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他想让自己的脚套被一辆行进的火车勾住
11:59
Very dangerous, very impossible to do, and particularly
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这很危险,基本没办法拍的
12:01
on our stage, because there literally is no way to actually
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尤其在我们棚里,因为真的没什么办法可以
12:04
move this train, because it fits so snugly into our set.
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让火车开动,因为火车是和布景紧密相嵌的
12:09
So let me show you the scene, and then I basically
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我播给你们看
12:12
used the trick that was identified by Sergei Eisenstein,
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我就用了Sergei Eisenstein(蒙太奇发明者)的一招
12:15
which is, if you have a camera that's moving with a moving
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就是如果你的摄影机也跟着移动物体而移动
12:18
object, what is not moving appears to be moving,
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那么没移动的物体看起来就像在移动了
12:21
and what is moving appears to be stopped,
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而本来就在移动的看起来却像是静止了
12:24
so what you're actually seeing now is the train is not
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所以你们现在所看到的,其实火车是压根儿就没动的
12:27
moving at all, and what is actually moving is the floor.
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而真正在移动的,则是地板
12:32
So this is the shot. That's a little video of
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就是这样拍的,那儿的小视频
12:35
what you're looking at there, which is our little test,
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就是你在现场所看到的,是我们的一个试验品
12:38
so that's actually what you're seeing, and I thought it was
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基本就是你看到的这样,然后我觉得
12:41
sort of an interesting thing, because it was, part
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确实很有意思,虽然这不是我发明的
12:43
of the homage of the movie itself is coming up with this
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但我们还是用这种高超的手法借这部电影
12:46
sort of genius trick which I can't take credit for.
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来表达向发明者的一种敬意
12:49
I'd love to but I can't, because it was invented
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我很想把它占为己有,但这是不可能的
12:51
like in 1910 or something like that, is I told Marty,
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因为它是在约1910年的时候发明的
12:56
and it's kind of one of those mind things that it's
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我跟Marty说,这还挺费脑筋的
12:58
really hard to really get until you actually see it work,
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除非你看到它成功运作,不然真的有些难懂
13:00
and I said, you know, what I was going to do, and he said,
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我又说,你知道我会做什么
13:03
"So, let me see if I can get this straight. The thing with the wheels?
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他说,“那你看我说的对不对,那个有轮子的东西
13:05
That doesn't move."
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它都没动。"
13:07
(Laughter) (Applause)
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(笑声)(掌声)
13:10
"And the thing without the wheels, that moves."
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“然后那个没有轮子的,是它在移动。”
13:14
Precisely. (Laughter)
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完全正确。(笑声)
13:17
Brings me to the next, and final --
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我们进入下一部分,最后--
13:20
Marty's not going to see this, is he? (Laughter)
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Marty应该不会看到这视频吧,对吧?(笑声)
13:24
This isn't viewed outside of -- (Laughter)
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应该不会在外面放映的吧--(笑声)
13:28
The next illustration is something that, there's like
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下一个例子,有点一镜到底的感觉在里面
13:32
all one shot theory. It's a very elegant way of telling a story,
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用这种方式讲述故事会显得很优雅
13:35
especially if you're following somebody on a journey,
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尤其是你在跟着某人踏上旅途
13:37
and that journey basically tells something about
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这个旅途会把人物的性格特点
13:39
their personality in a very concise way,
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十分详尽地描述出来
13:42
and what we wanted to do based on the shot in "Goodfellas,"
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我们在《好家伙》里面尝试过
13:44
which is one of the great shots ever,
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这算得上史上拍得最好的镜头之一了
13:46
a Martin Scorsese film, of basically following Henry Hill
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一部Martin Scorsese的电影,镜头跟着主人公
13:49
through what it feels like to be a gangster walk
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Henry Hill成为黑帮分子后的情绪起伏
13:51
going through the Copacabana and being treated in a special way.
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漫步在Copacabana那里,受到不一样的对待
13:54
He was the master of his universe, and we wanted Hugo
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他掌控了自己的世界,所以我们希望Hugo
13:58
to feel the same way, so we created this shot.
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也能有同样的感觉,所以我们制作了这一段
14:00
(Music)
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(音乐)
14:04
That's Hugo. (Music)
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他就是Hugo。(音乐)
14:09
And we felt that if we could basically move the camera
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我们觉得如果能让镜头一直跟着他
14:12
with him, we would feel what it feels like to be this boy
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我们就能感觉得到
14:14
who is basically the master of his universe,
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这个男孩有着自己的一个世界
14:17
and his universe is, you know, behind the scenes
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而他的世界,就是我们所谓的幕后这些
14:20
in the bowels of this particular train station
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这个特殊的火车站的管道
14:22
that only he can actually navigate through
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只有他清楚怎么在这些管道中
14:24
and do it this way, and we had to make it feel that
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穿梭前进,所以我们想营造一种
14:27
this is his normal, everyday sort of life,
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让人觉得这是他平凡的日常生活的感觉来
14:29
so the idea of doing it as one shot was very important,
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所以一镜到底这个想法就变得很重要了
14:32
and of course, in shooting in 3D, which is basically
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当然,拍摄成3D
14:34
it's a huge camera that's hanging off of a giant stick,
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就需要一个大摄像机在巨臂上移晃
14:38
so to recreate a steadycam shot was the task,
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所以我们要用稳定相机来拍
14:42
and make it feel kind of like what the reaction you got
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而且要让观众看后的反应
14:45
when you saw the "Goodfellas" shot.
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和看了《好家伙》后的反应一样
14:47
So what you're now going to see is how we actually did it.
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接下来你们所看的,就是我们的如何做到的
14:50
It's actually five separate sets shot at five different times
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事实上是有5个分镜,分5次来拍
14:54
with two different boys.
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有两个不同的男孩
14:55
The one on the left is where the shot ends,
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左边那个就是第一镜头的结尾
14:57
and the shot on the right is where it takes over,
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右边那个就是接上来的
15:02
and now we switch boys, so it went from Asa Butterfield,
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现在我们换了男孩,从Asa Butterfield
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who's the star of the show, to his stand-in. (Music)
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我们的小男主角,换到了他的替身。(音乐)
15:10
I wouldn't say his stunt double. There's a crazy rig
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还说不上是他的特技演员
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that we built for this. (Music)
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我们还专门造了这么一个疯狂的钻探。(音乐)
15:14
And so this is, and now this is set number three
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然后我们看到的是第三个镜头
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we're into, and then we're going to go into, basically
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我们就是这样穿过了,大概就这样
15:22
the very last moment of the shot is actually
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这个镜头的最后
15:25
the steadycam shot. Everything else was shot on cranes
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是用斯坦尼康拍的,其他都是用吊臂来拍
15:27
and various things like that, and it literally was done
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或者其他类似的拍摄手法,基本上
15:29
over five different sets, two different boys, different times,
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分为五个场景,两个不同的男孩,不同的时间
15:32
and it all had to feel like it was all one shot, and what was
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这全部要让人感觉是一镜到底的
15:35
sort of great for me was it was probably
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我觉得很棒的一点是
15:40
the best-reviewed shot I've ever worked on,
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这算得上我参与过最受好评的镜头了
15:42
and, you know, I was kind of proud of it when I was done,
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嘿嘿,在完工的时候我还挺自豪的
15:45
which is, you should never really be proud of stuff, I guess.
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我觉得吧,还是不要自豪过头变骄傲了
15:50
So I was kind of proud of it, and I went to a friend of mine,
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所以我就有那么点自豪,然后我去找了个朋友
15:53
and said, "You know, this is, you know, kind of
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说,“知道不,这个,大概
15:55
the best-reviewed shot I've ever worked on.
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算得上我参与过最受好评的镜头了
15:56
What do you think was the reason?"
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你知道为什么吗?”
15:59
And he said, "Because no one knows
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然后他说,“因为没人知道
16:01
you had anything to do with it."
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这能和你扯上什么关系。”
16:03
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
16:06
So, all I can say is, thank you,
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好吧,我所能说的,就是谢谢了
16:09
and that's my presentation for you. (Applause)
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这就是我的演讲。(掌声)
16:15
(Applause)
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(掌声)
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