Rob Legato: The art of creating awe

249,201 views ใƒป 2012-08-17

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ืื ื ืœื—ืฅ ืคืขืžื™ื™ื ืขืœ ื”ื›ืชื•ื‘ื™ื•ืช ื‘ืื ื’ืœื™ืช ืœืžื˜ื” ื›ื“ื™ ืœื”ืคืขื™ืœ ืืช ื”ืกืจื˜ื•ืŸ.

00:00
Translator: Joseph Geni Reviewer: Morton Bast
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ืžืชืจื’ื: Shlomo Adam ืžื‘ืงืจ: Ido Dekkers
00:15
I worked on a film called "Apollo 13,"
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ืขื‘ื“ืชื™ ืขืœ ืกืจื˜ ื‘ืฉื "ืืคื•ืœื• 13",
00:17
and when I worked on this film, I discovered something
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ื•ื›ืฉืขื‘ื“ืชื™ ืขืœ ื”ืกืจื˜, ื’ื™ืœื™ืชื™ ืžืฉื”ื•
00:19
about how our brains work, and how our brains work
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ืขืœ ื”ืื•ืคืŸ ื‘ื• ืคื•ืขืœ ืžื•ื—ื ื•. ืžื•ื—ื ื• ืคื•ืขืœ ื›ืš,
00:22
is that, when we're sort of infused with
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ืฉื›ืืฉืจ ืื ื• ืžืชืžืœืื™ื
00:24
either enthusiasm or awe or fondness or whatever,
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ื‘ื”ืชืœื”ื‘ื•ืช, ืื• ื™ืจืื”, ืื• ื—ื™ื‘ื” ืื• ื›ืœ ื“ื‘ืจ ืื—ืจ,
00:28
it changes and alters our perception of things.
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ื”ื•ื ืžืฉื ื” ืืช ื”ืื•ืคืŸ ื‘ื• ืื ื• ืชื•ืคืกื™ื ื“ื‘ืจื™ื.
00:31
It changes what we see. It changes what we remember.
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ื”ื•ื ืžืฉื ื” ืืช ืžื” ืฉืื ื• ืจื•ืื™ื ื•ืืช ืžื” ืฉืื ื• ื–ื•ื›ืจื™ื.
00:33
And as an experiment, because I dauntingly create
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ื•ื‘ืชื•ืจ ื ื™ืกื•ื™, ื”ื™ื•ืช ืฉืœืžืจื‘ื” ื”ืื™ืžื”
00:36
a task for myself of recreating a Saturn V launch
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ื”ื˜ืœืชื™ ืขืœ ืขืฆืžื™ ืœืฉื—ื–ืจ ืฉื™ื’ื•ืจ ืฉืœ ื˜ื™ืœ "ืกื˜ื•ืจืŸ 5"
00:40
for this particular movie, because I put it out there,
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ืœืฆื•ืจืš ื”ืกืจื˜ ื”ื–ื”, ื•ื‘ื’ืœืœ ืฉื”ื—ืœื˜ืชื™ ืขืœ ื›ืš
00:44
I felt a little nervous about it, so I need to do an experiment
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ื”ืจื’ืฉืชื™ ืžืขื˜ ืขืฆื‘ื ื™ ืœื’ื‘ื™ ื–ื” ืœื›ืŸ ืขืœื™ ืœืขืจื•ืš ื ื™ืกื•ื™
00:46
and bring a group of people like this in a projection room
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ื•ืœื”ื›ื ื™ืก ืงื‘ื•ืฆืช ืื ืฉื™ื ื›ืžื• ื–ื• ืœื—ื“ืจ ื”ืงืจื ื”
00:49
and play this stock footage, and when I played this
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ื•ืœื”ืงืจื™ืŸ ืœื”ื ืืช ื”ืงื˜ืข ื”ืืจื›ื™ื•ื ื™ ื”ื–ื”, ื•ื›ืฉื”ืงืจื ืชื™ ืื•ืชื•
00:52
stock footage, I simply wanted to find out
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ืจืฆื™ืชื™ ืคืฉื•ื˜ ืœืจืื•ืช
00:55
what people remembered, what was memorable about it?
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ืžื” ืื ืฉื™ื ื–ื•ื›ืจื™ื, ืžื” ืจืื•ื™ ื‘ื• ืœื”ื™ื–ื›ืจ?
00:58
What should I actually try to replicate?
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ืžื” ื‘ืขืฆื ื›ื“ืื™ ืœื™ ืœืฉื›ืคืœ?
01:00
What should I try to emulate to some degree?
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ืžื” ืขืœื™ ืœื ืกื•ืช ืœื—ืงื•ืช ื‘ืžื™ื“ื” ืžืกื•ื™ืžืช?
01:04
So this is the footage that I was showing everybody.
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ื–ื” ื”ืงื˜ืข ื”ืืจื›ื™ื•ื ื™ ืฉื”ืงืจื ืชื™ ืœื›ื•ืœื.
01:07
And what I discovered is, because of the nature
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ื•ืžื” ืฉื’ื™ืœื™ืชื™ ื”ื•ื, ืฉื‘ื’ืœืœ ืื•ืคื™ ื”ืงื˜ืข
01:10
of the footage and the fact that we're doing this film,
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ื•ื”ืขื•ื‘ื“ื” ืฉืื ื• ื™ื•ืฆืจื™ื ืืช ื”ืกืจื˜ ื”ื–ื”,
01:12
there was an emotion that was built into it
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ื ื‘ื ื” ื‘ื• ืจื’ืฉ ืžืกื•ื™ื.
01:14
and our collective memories of what this launch meant to us
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ื•ื–ื›ืจื•ื ื•ืชื™ื ื• ื”ืงื•ืœืงื˜ื™ื‘ื™ื™ื ืฉืœ ืžืฉืžืขื•ืชื• ืฉืœ ืื•ืชื• ืฉื™ื’ื•ืจ ืœื’ื‘ื™ื ื•
01:17
and all these various things.
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ื•ื›ืœ ื™ืชืจ ื”ื“ื‘ืจื™ื.
01:19
When I showed it, and I asked, immediately after
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ื›ืฉื”ืงืจื ืชื™ ืื•ืชื•, ื•ืฉืืœืชื™
01:21
the screening was over, what they thought of it,
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ืžื™ื“ ื‘ืชื•ื ื”ื”ืงืจื ื”, ืžื” ื”ื ื—ื•ืฉื‘ื™ื ืขืœื™ื•,
01:24
what was your memorable shots, they changed them.
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ืžื” ื”ื™ื• ื”ืชืžื•ื ื•ืช ืฉื–ื›ืจืชื, ื”ื ืฉื™ื ื• ืื•ืชืŸ.
01:26
They were -- had camera moves on them.
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ื”ื ื”ื™ื•-- ื”ื ื“ื™ื‘ืจื• ืขืœ ืชื ื•ืขื•ืช ืฉืœ ื”ืžืฆืœืžื”.
01:28
They had all kinds of things. Shots were combined,
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ืขืœ ื›ืœ ืžื™ื ื™ ื“ื‘ืจื™ื. ื”ื ื—ื™ื‘ืจื• ื‘ื™ืŸ ืฆื™ืœื•ืžื™ื,
01:31
and I was just really curious, I mean, what the hell
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ื•ืคืฉื•ื˜ ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืกืงืจืŸ ืœื“ืขืช: ื‘ืžื” ืœืขื–ืื–ืœ
01:34
were you looking at just a few minutes ago
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ืฆืคื™ืชื ืจืง ืœืคื ื™ ื›ืžื” ื“ืงื•ืช
01:35
and how come, how'd you come up with this sort of description?
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ื•ืžื” ืคืชืื•ื, ืžืื™ืŸ ื”ื‘ืืชื ืืช ื”ืชื™ืื•ืจ ื”ื–ื”?
01:39
And what I discovered is, what I should do is not actually
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ื•ืžื” ืฉื’ื™ืœื™ืชื™ ื”ื•ื, ืฉื‘ืขืฆื ืขืœื™ ืœื ืœืฉื›ืคืœ
01:43
replicate what they saw, is replicate what they remembered.
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ืืช ืžื” ืฉื”ื ืจืื•, ืืœื ืืช ืžื” ืฉื”ื ื–ื›ืจื•.
01:47
So this is our footage of the launch, based on, basically,
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ืื– ื–ื” ืกืจื˜ ื”ืฉื™ื’ื•ืจ ืฉืœื ื•, ื•ื”ื•ื ืžื‘ื•ืกืก ืขืงืจื•ื ื™ืช
01:51
taking notes, asking people what they thought, and then
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ืขืœ ื”ืจืฉื™ืžื•ืช ื•ืขืœ ืžื” ืฉืื ืฉื™ื ื—ืฉื‘ื•,
01:53
the combination of all the different shots and all
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ื•ื”ืฉื™ืœื•ื‘ ืฉืœ ื›ืœ ื”ืฆื™ืœื•ืžื™ื ื”ืฉื•ื ื™ื
01:56
the different things put together created their sort of
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ื•ื›ืœ ื”ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ื”ืฉื•ื ื™ื ืฉืฆื•ืจืคื• ื™ื—ื“ ื™ืฆืจ ืืฆืœื
01:58
collective consciousness of what they remembered
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ืžืขื™ืŸ ืชื•ื“ืขื” ืงื•ืœืงื˜ื™ื‘ื™ืช ืฉืœ ืื™ืš ื”ื ื–ื•ื›ืจื™ื
02:00
it looked like, but not what it really looked like.
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ืฉื–ื” ื ืจืื”, ืื‘ืœ ืœื ืฉืœ ืื™ืš ื‘ืืžืช ื–ื” ื ืจืื”.
02:02
So this is what we created for "Apollo 13."
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ืื– ื–ื” ืžื” ืฉื™ืฆืจื ื• ืขื‘ื•ืจ "ืืคื•ืœื• 13".
02:05
(Launch noises)
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[ืจืขืฉื™ ืฉื™ื’ื•ืจ]
02:09
So literally what you're seeing now is the confluence
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ื‘ืขืฆื ืžื” ืฉืืชื ืจื•ืื™ื ื›ืืŸ ื”ื•ื ื”ื”ืฉืคืขื” ื”ืžืฉื•ืœื‘ืช
02:12
of a bunch of different people, a bunch of different memories,
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ืฉืœ ืžืกืคืจ ืื ืฉื™ื ืฉื•ื ื™ื, ืžืกืคืจ ื–ื›ืจื•ื ื•ืช ืฉื•ื ื™ื,
02:14
including my own, of taking a little bit of liberty
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ื›ื•ืœืœ ื–ื” ืฉืœื™, ืฉื ื•ื”ื’ ื—ื™ืจื•ืช ืžืกื•ื™ืžืช
02:17
with the subject matter.
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ื‘ื—ื•ืžืจ ื”ืžืงื•ืจื™.
02:19
I basically shot everything with short lenses,
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ืœืžืขืฉื” ืฆื™ืœืžืชื™ ื”ื›ืœ ื‘ืขื–ืจืช ืขื“ืฉื•ืช ืงืฆืจื•ืช,
02:21
which means that you're very close to the action,
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ื›ืœื•ืžืจ ืฉืฆืจื™ืš ืœื”ื™ืžืฆื ืงืจื•ื‘ ืžืื“ ืœืคืขื™ืœื•ืช,
02:23
but framed it very similarly to the long lens shots
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ืื‘ืœ ื‘ื ื™ืชื™ ืืช ื–ื” ืžืื“ ื‘ื“ื•ืžื” ืœืฆื™ืœื•ืžื™ ื”ืขื“ืฉื” ื”ืืจื•ื›ื”
02:26
which gives you a sense of distance, so I was basically
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ืฉื ื•ืชื ืช ืชื—ื•ืฉื” ืฉืœ ืžืจื—ืง, ื›ืš ืฉืœืžืขืฉื”
02:28
was setting up something that would remind you
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ื™ืฆืจืชื™ ืžืฉื”ื• ืฉื™ื–ื›ื™ืจ ืœื›ื
02:30
of something you haven't really quite seen before. (Music)
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ืžืฉื”ื• ืฉืœื ื‘ืืžืช ืจืื™ืชื ืงื•ื“ื ืœื›ืŸ. [ืžื•ืกื™ืงื”]
02:34
And then I'm going to show you exactly what it is
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ื•ื›ืขืช ืืจืื” ืœื›ื ืžื”ื• ื‘ื“ื™ื•ืง ื”ื“ื‘ืจ
02:36
that you were reacting to when you were reacting to it.
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ืฉื”ื’ื‘ืชื ืœื• ื›ืฉื”ื’ื‘ืชื ืœื•.
02:40
(Music)
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[ืžื•ืกื™ืงื”]
02:53
Tom Hanks: Hello, Houston, this is Odyssey.
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ื˜ื•ื ื”ื ืงืก: ื”ืœื• ื™ื•ืกื˜ื•ืŸ, ื›ืืŸ ืื•ื“ื™ืกื™ืื”.
02:55
It's good to see you again. (Cheers) (Music)
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ื˜ื•ื‘ ืœืจืื•ืชื›ื ืฉื•ื‘. [ืชืจื•ืขื•ืช, ืžื•ืกื™ืงื”]
02:58
Rob Legato: I pretend they're clapping for me.
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ืจื•ื‘ ืœื’ืื˜ื•: ืื ื™ ืื•ืžืจ ืœืขืฆืžื™ ืฉื”ื ืžืจื™ืขื™ื ืœื™.
03:00
(Laughter)
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[ืฆื—ื•ืง]
03:02
So now I'm in a parking lot. Basically it's a tin can,
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ื›ืืŸ ืื ื™ ื‘ืžื’ืจืฉ ื—ื ื™ื”. ื–ื• ื‘ืขืฆื ืคื—ื™ืช,
03:06
and I'm basically recreating the launch with
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ื•ืื ื™ ืœืžืขืฉื” ืžืฉื—ื–ืจ ืืช ื”ืฉื™ื’ื•ืจ
03:08
fire extinguishers, fire, I have wax that I threw
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ืขื ืžื˜ืคื™ื ืœื›ื™ื‘ื•ื™ ืืฉ, ืืฉ, ื™ืฉ ืœื™ ืฉืขื•ื•ื” ืฉื”ืฉืœื›ืชื™
03:12
in front of the lens to look like ice, and so basically
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ืœืคื ื™ ื”ืขื“ืฉื” ื•ืฉื ืจืื™ืช ื›ืžื• ืงืจื—, ืื– ื‘ืขืฆื
03:15
if you believed any of the stuff that I just showed you,
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ืื ื”ืืžื ืชื ืœื›ืœ ืžื” ืฉื”ืจืื™ืชื™ ืœื›ื ืขื›ืฉื™ื•,
03:18
what you were reacting to, what you're emoting to,
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ืžื” ืฉื”ื’ื‘ืชื ืœื•, ืžื” ืฉืขื•ืจืจ ื‘ื›ื ืืช ื”ืจื’ืฉ,
03:21
is something that's a total falsehood, and I found that
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ื”ื•ื ื–ื™ื•ืฃ ื’ืžื•ืจ, ื•ืื ื™ ื’ื™ืœื™ืชื™ ืฉื–ื”
03:24
really kind of fascinating.
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ืžืื“ ืžืจืชืง.
03:25
And in this particular case, this is the climax of the movie,
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ื•ื‘ืžืงืจื” ื”ืžืกื•ื™ื ื”ื–ื”, ื–ื”ื• ืจื’ืข ื”ืฉื™ื ืฉืœ ื”ืกืจื˜,
03:28
and, you know, the weight of achieving it was simply
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ื•ื›ืœ ื”ืกื™ืคื•ืจ ืฉืœ ืœืฆืœื ืืช ื–ื”, ื”ื•ื ืคืฉื•ื˜
03:31
take a model, throw it out of a helicopter, and shoot it.
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ืœืงื—ืช ื“ื’ื, ืœื”ืฉืœื™ืš ืื•ืชื• ืžืžืกื•ืง ื•ืœืฆืœื ืื•ืชื•.
03:35
And that's simply what I did.
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ื–ื” ืคืฉื•ื˜ ืžื” ืฉืขืฉื™ืชื™.
03:37
That's me shooting, and I'm a fairly mediocre operator,
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ื›ืืŸ ืื ื™ ืžืฆืœื, ื•ืื ื™ ืฆืœื ื“ื™ ื‘ื™ื ื•ื ื™,
03:39
so I got that nice sense of verisimilitude, of a kind of,
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ืื– ื”ื™ืชื” ืœื™ ืชื—ื•ืฉื” ื ืขื™ืžื” ืฉืœ ืขืฉื™ื™ืช ื”ื“ื‘ืจ ื”ื ื›ื•ืŸ:
03:43
you know, following the rocket all the way down,
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ืœืœื•ื•ืช ืืช ื”ืจืงื˜ื” ื›ืœ ื”ื“ืจืš ืขื“ ืœืžื˜ื”,
03:46
and giving that little sort of edge, I was desperately
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ื•ืœืชืช ืืช ื”ืžื’ืข ื”ื ื›ื•ืŸ, ื”ืฉืชื“ืœืชื™ ืžืื“
03:47
trying to keep it in frame. So then I come up to the next thing.
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ืœืฉืžื•ืจ ืื•ืชื• ื‘ืชื•ืš ื”ืคืจื™ื™ื. ืขื›ืฉื™ื• ืื ื™ ืขื•ื‘ืจ ืœื“ื‘ืจ ื”ื‘ื:
03:51
We had a NASA consultant who was actually an astronaut,
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ื”ื™ื” ืœื ื• ื™ื•ืขืฅ ืฉืœ ื ืืก"ื ืฉื”ื™ื” ื‘ืขืฆืžื• ืืกื˜ืจื•ื ืื•ื˜,
03:53
who was actually on some of the missions, of Apollo 15,
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ื•ื˜ืก ื‘ื›ืžื” ืžื”ืฉื™ื’ื•ืจื™ื ื”ืืœื”, ืฉืœ ืืคื•ืœื• 15,
03:56
and he was there to basically double check my science.
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ื•ืชืคืงื™ื“ื• ื”ื™ื” ืœื•ื•ื“ื ืืช ื”ืฆื“ ื”ืžื“ืขื™ ืืฆืœื™.
04:00
And, I guess somebody thought they needed to do that.
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ืžื™ืฉื”ื• ื›ื ืจืื” ื—ืฉื‘ ืฉื›ื“ืื™ ืœืขืฉื•ืช ื–ืืช.
04:04
(Laughter)
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[ืฆื—ื•ืง]
04:05
I don't know why, but they thought they did.
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ืœื ื™ื•ื“ืข ืžื“ื•ืข, ืื‘ืœ ื›ื›ื” ื”ื ื—ืฉื‘ื•.
04:08
So we were, he's a hero, he's an astronaut, and
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ืื– ื”ื™ื™ื ื•-- ื”ื•ื ื”ืจื™ ื’ื™ื‘ื•ืจ, ืืกื˜ืจื•ื ืื•ื˜,
04:12
we're all sort of excited, and, you know, I gave myself
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ื•ื›ื•ืœื ื• ื”ื™ื™ื ื• ื ืจื’ืฉื™ื, ื•ืื ื™ ื”ืจืฉื™ืชื™ ืœืขืฆืžื™
04:15
the liberty of saying, you know, some of the shots I did
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ืœื•ืžืจ ืฉื›ืžื” ืžื”ืฆื™ืœื•ืžื™ื ืฉืœื™
04:17
didn't really suck that bad.
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ื”ื™ื• ืœื ืจืขื™ื.
04:20
And so maybe, you know, we were feeling kind of a little
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ื•ืื•ืœื™ ื‘ืืžืช ื”ืจื’ืฉื ื•, ื›ืื™ืœื•,
04:23
good about it, so I brought him in here, and he needed
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ื˜ื•ื‘ ื‘ืงืฉืจ ืœื›ืš. ืื– ื”ื‘ืืชื™ ืื•ืชื•, ื•ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ืืžื•ืจ
04:25
to really check and see what we were doing,
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ืœื‘ื“ื•ืง ื•ืœืจืื•ืช ืžื” ืื ื• ืขื•ืฉื™ื,
04:28
and basically give us our A plus report card,
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ื•ืœืชืช ืœื ื• ืชืขื•ื“ื” ืขื "ืžืฆื•ื™ืŸ".
04:31
and so I showed him some shots we were working on,
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ืื– ื”ืจืื™ืชื™ ืœื• ื›ืžื” ืžื”ืฆื™ืœื•ืžื™ื ืฉืขืœื™ื”ื ืขื‘ื“ื ื•,
04:33
and waiting for the reaction that you hope for,
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ื•ื—ื™ื›ื™ื ื• ืœืชื’ื•ื‘ื” ืœื” ืงื™ื•ื•ื™ื ื•,
04:36
which is what I got. (Music) (Launch noises)
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ื•ื–ื” ืžื” ืฉืงื™ื‘ืœื ื•. [ืžื•ืกื™ืงื”, ืจืขืฉื™ ืฉื™ื’ื•ืจ]
04:39
So I showed him these two shots,
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ื”ืจืื™ืชื™ ืœื• ืืช ืฉื ื™ ื”ืงื˜ืขื™ื ื”ืืœื”,
04:41
and then he basically told me what he thought.
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ื•ืื– ื”ื•ื ืืžืจ ืœื™ ืžื” ื“ืขืชื•.
04:45
("That's wrong") (Laughter)
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-"ื–ื” ืœื ื ื›ื•ืŸ"- ื ื• ื˜ื•ื‘. [ืฆื—ื•ืง]
04:47
Okay. (Laughter)
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[ืฆื—ื•ืง]
04:50
It's what you dream about.
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ืื ื• ื—ื•ืœืžื™ื ืขืœ ื”ืจื’ืขื™ื ื”ืืœื”.
04:52
(Laughter)
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[ืฆื—ื•ืง]
04:55
So what I got from him is, he turned to me and said,
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ื–ื” ืžื” ืฉืงื™ื‘ืœืชื™ ืžืžื ื•. ื”ื•ื ืคื ื” ืืœื™ ื•ืืžืจ,
04:58
"You would never, ever design a rocket like that.
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"ืืฃ ืคืขื ืœื ืžืชื›ื ื ื™ื ื›ื›ื” ื˜ื™ืœ.
05:02
You would never have a rocket go up
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ื”ื˜ื™ืœ ืืฃ ืคืขื ืœื ืขื•ืœื” ืœืžืขืœื”
05:03
while the gantry arms are going out. Can you imagine
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ื›ืฉื–ืจื•ืขื•ืช ื”ืœืคื™ืชื” ื ืขื•ืช ื”ื—ื•ืฆื”. ืืชื” ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœืชืืจ ืœืขืฆืžืš
05:05
the tragedy that could possibly happen with that?
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ืื™ื–ื” ืืกื•ืŸ ืขืœื•ืœ ืœืงืจื•ืช ื›ื›ื”?
05:07
You would never, ever design a rocket like that."
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ืืฃ ืคืขื ืœื ืžืชื›ื ื ื™ื ื›ื›ื” ื˜ื™ืœ."
05:10
And he was looking at me. It's like, Yeah, I don't know
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ื•ื”ื•ื ื”ื‘ื™ื˜ ื‘ื™. ื•ืื ื™, ื›ืื™ืœื•,
05:12
if you noticed, but I'm the guy out in the parking lot
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ืื ืœื ืฉืžืช ืœื‘, ืื ื™ ื–ื” ืฉืขื•ื‘ื“ ื‘ืžื’ืจืฉ ื”ื—ื ื™ื”
05:14
recreating one of America's finest moments with
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ื•ืžืฉื—ื–ืจ ืื—ื“ ืžืจื’ืขื™ื” ื”ื™ืคื™ื ื‘ื™ื•ืชืจ ืฉืœ ืืžืจื™ืงื”
05:16
fire extinguishers.
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ืขื ืžื˜ืคื™ื ืœื›ื™ื‘ื•ื™ ืืฉ. ืื– ืžื” ืืชื”--
05:18
(Laughter)
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[ืฆื—ื•ืง]
05:20
And I'm not going to argue with you. You're an astronaut,
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ืื ื™ ืœื ืžืชื›ื•ื•ืŸ ืœื”ืชื•ื•ื›ื— ืื™ืชืš. ืืชื” ื”ืืกื˜ืจื•ื ืื•ื˜,
05:23
a hero, and I'm from New Jersey, so --
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ืืชื” ื”ื’ื™ื‘ื•ืจ, ื•ืื ื™ ืžื ื™ื•-ื’'ืจืกื™, ืื–--
05:25
(Laughter)
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[ืฆื—ื•ืง]
05:27
I'm just going to show you some footage.
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ืคืฉื•ื˜ ืืงืจื™ืŸ ืœืš ืžืฉื”ื•.
05:29
I'm just going to show you some footage, and tell me what you think.
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ืืงืจื™ืŸ ืœืš ืงื˜ืข ืžืกื•ื™ื ื•ืืชื” ืชืืžืจ ืœื™ ืžื” ื“ืขืชืš.
05:32
And then I did kind of get the reaction I was hoping for.
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ื•ืื– ื‘ืืžืช ืงื™ื‘ืœืชื™ ืžืžื ื• ืืช ื”ืชื’ื•ื‘ื” ืฉืงื™ื•ื•ื™ืชื™ ืœืงื‘ืœ.
05:34
So I showed him this, and this is actual footage
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ืื– ื”ืจืื™ืชื™ ืœื• ืืช ื–ื”, ื•ื–ื” ืกืจื˜ื•ืŸ ืžืงื•ืจื™
05:36
that he was on. This is Apollo 15. This was his mission.
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ืฉืœ ืฉื™ื’ื•ืจ ืฉืœื•. ื–ืืช ืืคื•ืœื• 15. ื–ื”ื• ื”ืฉื™ื’ื•ืจ ืฉืœื•.
05:40
So I showed him this, and the reaction I got was interesting.
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ืื– ื”ืจืื™ืชื™ ืœื• ืืช ื–ื”, ื•ืงื™ื‘ืœืชื™ ืชื’ื•ื‘ื” ื“ื™ ืžืขื ื™ื™ื ืช.
05:45
("That's wrong too.") (Laughter)
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-ื’ื ื–ื” ืœื ื ื›ื•ืŸ- [ืฆื—ื•ืง]
05:48
So, and what happened was, I mean, what I sort of intuned
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ืื– ืžื” ืฉืงืจื”, ื›ืœื•ืžืจ, ืงืœื˜ืชื™,
05:51
in that is that he remembered it differently.
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ืฉื”ื•ื ื–ื›ืจ ืืช ื–ื” ืื—ืจืช.
05:54
He remembered that was a perfectly safe sort of gantry
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ื”ื•ื ื–ื›ืจ ืฉื”ื™ืชื” ืžืขืจื›ืช ืฉื™ื’ื•ืจ ื‘ื˜ื•ื—ื” ืœื’ืžืจื™
05:56
system, perfectly safe rocket launch, because he's sitting
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ืฉื™ื’ื•ืจ ื˜ื™ืœ ื‘ื˜ื•ื— ืœื’ืžืจื™, ื›ื™ ื”ื•ื ื™ืฉื‘
05:59
in a rocket that has, like, a hundred thousand pounds
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ื‘ืชื•ืš ื˜ื™ืœ ืฉื”ื™ื• ืœื• ืžืื•ืช ืืœืคื™ ืงื™ืœื•ื’ืจืžื™ื
06:01
of thrust, built by the lowest bidder.
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ืฉืœ ื›ื•ื— ื”ื“ืฃ, ืฉื ื‘ื ื” ืข"ื™ ื”ืงื‘ืœืŸ ืฉื”ืฆื™ืข ืืช ื”ื”ืฆืขื” ื”ื›ื™ ื–ื•ืœื”.
06:03
He was hoping it was going to work out okay.
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ื”ื•ื ืงื™ื•ื•ื” ืฉื”ื›ืœ ื™ืคืขืœ ื‘ืกื“ืจ.
06:05
(Laughter) (Applause)
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[ืฆื—ื•ืง, ืžื—ื™ืื•ืช ื›ืคื™ื™ื]
06:08
So he twisted his memory around.
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ื•ื”ื•ื ืกื™ืœืฃ ืืช ืžื” ืฉื–ื›ืจ.
06:10
Now, Ron Howard ran into Buzz Aldrin, who was not
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ืจื•ืŸ ื”ื•ื•ืืจื“ ื ืชืงืœ ื‘ื‘ืื– ืื•ืœื“ืจื™ืŸ, ืฉืœื ื”ื™ื” ื‘ื”ืกืจื˜ื”,
06:13
on the movie, so he had no idea that we were faking
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ื•ืœื›ืŸ ืœื ื”ื™ื” ืœื• ืžื•ืฉื’ ืฉืื ื• ืžื–ื™ื™ืคื™ื
06:16
any of this footage, and he just responded
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ืžืฉื”ื• ื‘ืงื˜ืข ื”ื–ื”, ื•ื”ื•ื ื”ื’ื™ื‘
06:18
as he would respond, and I'll run this.
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ื›ืคื™ ืฉื”ื’ื™ื‘, ื•ื”ื ื” ืืงืจื™ืŸ ืืช ื–ื”.
06:21
Ron Howard: Buzz Aldrin came up to me
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ืจื•ืŸ ื”ื•ื•ืืจื“: ื‘ืื– ืื•ืœื“ืจื™ืŸ ื‘ื ืืœื™
06:23
and said, "Hey, that launch footage, I saw some shots
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ื•ืืžืจ, "ื”ื™ื™, ื–ื” ืกืจื˜ื•ืŸ ืฉืœ ืฉื™ื’ื•ืจ. ืจืื™ืชื™ ื‘ื• ื›ืžื” ืฆื™ืœื•ืžื™ื
06:28
I'd never seen before. Did you guys, what vault did you find
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ืฉืืฃ-ืคืขื ืœื ืจืื™ืชื™ . ื—ื‘ืจ'ื”, ื‘ืื™ื–ื• ื›ืกืคืช
06:33
that stuff in?" And I said, "Well, no vault, Buzz,
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ืžืฆืืชื ืืช ื–ื”?" ืขื ื™ืชื™ ืœื•, "ืฉื•ื ื›ืกืคืช, ื‘ืื–,
06:35
we generated all that from scratch."
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ืขืฉื™ื ื• ืืช ื›ืœ ื–ื” ืžื”ืชื—ืœื”."
06:38
And he said, "Huh, that's pretty good. Can we use it?"
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ืื– ื”ื•ื ืืžืจ, "ื—ื”, ื–ื” ืœื ืจืข. ืื ื• ื™ื›ื•ืœื™ื ืœื”ืฉืชืžืฉ ื‘ื–ื”?"
06:42
(Explosion) ("Sure") (Laughter)
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[ืคื™ืฆื•ืฅ] - ื‘ื˜ื— - [ืฆื—ื•ืง]
06:46
RL: I think he's a great American.
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ืจ"ืœ: ืื ื™ ื—ื•ืฉื‘ ืฉื”ื•ื ืืžืจื™ืงืื™ ื“ื’ื•ืœ.
06:48
(Laughter)
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[ืฆื—ื•ืง]
06:52
So, "Titanic" was, if you don't know the story,
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ื˜ื•ื‘. ื”"ื˜ื™ื˜ืื ื™ืง", ืœืžื™ ืฉืœื ืžื›ื™ืจ ืืช ื”ืกื™ืคื•ืจ,
06:55
doesn't end well.
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ื”ื•ื ืœื ื ื’ืžืจ ื˜ื•ื‘.
06:57
(Laughter)
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[ืฆื—ื•ืง]
06:59
Jim Cameron actually photographed the real Titanic.
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ื’'ื™ื ืงืžืจื•ืŸ ืฆื™ืœื ื‘ืืžืช ืืช ื”"ื˜ื™ื˜ืื ื™ืง" ื”ืืžื™ืชื™ืช.
07:02
So he basically set up, or basically shattered
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ื•ื”ื•ื ื‘ืขืฆื ื‘ื ื”, ืื• ื‘ืขืฆื ื ื™ืคืฅ
07:05
the suspension of disbelief, because what he photographed
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ืืช ื”ืฉืขื™ื™ืช ื”ืกืคืง, ื›ื™ ืžื” ืฉื”ื•ื ืฆื™ืœื
07:07
was the real thing, a Mir sub going down, or actually
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ื”ื™ื” ื”ื“ื‘ืจ ื”ืืžื™ืชื™, ืฆื•ืœืœืช "ืžื™ืจ", ืื• ื‘ืขืฆื,
07:11
two Mir subs going down to the real wreck,
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ืฉืชื™ ืฆื•ืœืœื•ืช "ืžื™ืจ" ืฉืฆืœืœื• ืืœ ื”ืกืคื™ื ื” ื”ื˜ืจื•ืคื” ื”ืืžื™ืชื™ืช,
07:13
and he created this very haunting footage.
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ื•ื”ื•ื ื™ืฆืจ ืืช ื”ืงื˜ืข ื”ื‘ืœืชื™-ื ืฉื›ื— ื”ื–ื”.
07:15
It's really beautiful, and it conjures up all these
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ื–ื” ื‘ืืžืช ื™ืคื”ืคื”, ื•ื–ื” ืžืขืœื” ื‘ืื•ื‘
07:18
various different emotions, but he couldn't photograph
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ื›ืœ ืžื™ื ื™ ืจื’ืฉื•ืช, ืื‘ืœ ื”ื•ื ืœื ื”ื™ื” ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœืฆืœื
07:20
everything, and to tell the story,
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ืืช ื”ื›ืœ, ื•ื›ื“ื™ ืœืกืคืจ ืืช ื”ืกื™ืคื•ืจ,
07:23
I had to fill in the gaps, which is now rather daunting,
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ื”ื™ื” ืขืœื™ ืœืžืœื ืืช ื”ื—ืกืจ, ื•ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื“ื™ ืžืคื—ื™ื“,
07:25
because now I have to recreate back to back
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ื›ื™ ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืฆืจื™ืš ื›ืขืช ืœื™ืฆื•ืจ ื‘ืจืฆื™ืคื•ืช
07:27
what really happened and I had, I'm the only one
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ืืช ืžื” ืฉื‘ืืžืช ืงืจื”, ื•ืื ื™ ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื”ื™ื—ื™ื“
07:30
who could really blow it at that point.
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ืฉื”ื™ื” ืขืœื•ืœ ืœืคืฉืœ ื‘ืฉืœื‘ ื”ื–ื”.
07:35
So this is the footage he photographed,
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ื–ื” ื”ืงื˜ืข ืฉื”ื•ื ืฆื™ืœื,
07:37
and it was pretty moving and pretty awe-inspiring.
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ื•ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืžืื“ ืžืจื’ืฉ ื•ืžืขื•ืจืจ ื™ืจืื”.
07:41
So I'm going to just let it run, so you kind of absorb
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ืื ื™ื— ืœื–ื” ืœืจื•ืฅ, ื›ื“ื™ ืฉืชืกืคื’ื•
07:44
this sort of thing, and I'll describe my sort of reactions
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ืืช ื–ื”, ื•ืืชืืจ ืืช ื”ืชื’ื•ื‘ื•ืช ืฉืœื™
07:47
when I was looking at it for the very first time.
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ื›ืฉืจืื™ืชื™ ืืช ื–ื” ื‘ืคืขื ื”ืจืืฉื•ื ื”.
07:50
I got the feeling that my brain wanted to basically
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ื”ื™ืชื” ืœื™ ืชื—ื•ืฉื” ืฉืžื•ื—ื™ ื‘ืขืฆื ืจื•ืฆื”
07:54
see it come back to life.
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ืœืจืื•ืช ืื•ืชื” ืžืชืขื•ืจืจืช ืœื—ื™ื™ื.
07:56
I automatically wanted to see this ship,
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ืื ื™ ืจืฆื™ืชื™ ืื•ื˜ื•ืžื˜ื™ืช ืœืจืื•ืช ืืช ื”ืกืคื™ื ื” ื”ื–ื•,
07:58
this magnificent ship, basically in all its glory,
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ืืช ื”ืกืคื™ื ื” ื”ื ืคืœืื” ื”ื–ื• ื‘ืžืœื•ื ื”ื“ืจื”,
08:01
and conversely, I wanted to see it not in all its glory,
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ื•ืžืฆื“ ืฉื ื™, ืจืฆื™ืชื™ ืœืจืื•ืชื” ืœื ื‘ืžืœื•ื ื”ื“ืจื”,
08:04
basically go back to what it looks like.
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ืืœื ืœื—ื–ื•ืจ ืœืื™ืš ืฉื ืจืืชื” ืคืขื.
08:06
So I conjured up an effect that I'm later going to show you
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ืื– ื”ืžืฆืืชื™ ืืคืงื˜ ืฉืืจืื” ืœื›ื ื‘ื”ืžืฉืš,
08:10
what I tried to do, which is kind of the heart of the movie,
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ื•ืžื” ืฉื ื™ืกื™ืชื™ ืœืขืฉื•ืช, ื•ื–ื”ื• ืื•ืœื™ ืœื‘ ื”ืกืจื˜,
08:12
for me, and so that's why I wanted to do the movie,
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ืขื‘ื•ืจื™, ื•ืœื›ืŸ ืจืฆื™ืชื™ ืœืขืฉื•ืช ืืช ื”ืกืจื˜,
08:16
that's why I wanted to create the sort of things I created.
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ื–ื• ื”ืกื™ื‘ื” ืฉืจืฆื™ืชื™ ืœื™ืฆื•ืจ ืืช ื”ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ืฉื™ืฆืจืชื™.
08:19
And I'll show you, you know, another thing that I found
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ืืจืื” ืœื›ื ื“ื‘ืจ ื ื•ืกืฃ, ืฉื ืจืื” ืœื™ ืžืขื ื™ื™ืŸ:
08:21
interesting is what we really were emoting to
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ืื™ืš ืื ื• ืžื’ื™ื‘ื™ื ืจื’ืฉื™ืช
08:24
when you take a look at it.
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ื›ืฉืื ื• ืจื•ืื™ื ืืช ื–ื”.
08:25
So here's the behind the scenes, a couple of little shots here.
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ื›ืืŸ ื–ื” ืžืื—ื•ืจื™ ื”ืงืœืขื™ื, ื›ืžื” ืฆื™ืœื•ืžื™ื ืงื˜ื ื™ื ื›ืืŸ,
08:28
So, when you saw my footage,
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ื›ืฉืจืื™ืชื ืืช ื”ืงื˜ืข ืฉืœื™,
08:30
you were seeing this: basically, a bunch of guys
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ื–ื” ืžื” ืฉืจืื™ืชื: ืงื‘ื•ืฆืช ื‘ื—ื•ืจื™ื
08:33
flipping a ship upside down, and the little Mir subs
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ืฉื”ื•ืคื›ื™ื ืกืคื™ื ื”, ื•ืฆื•ืœืœื•ืช ื”"ืžื™ืจ" ื”ืงื˜ื ื•ืช
08:36
are actually about the size of small footballs,
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ื”ืŸ ืœืžืขืฉื” ื‘ื’ื•ื“ืœ ืฉืœ ื›ื“ื•ืจื™ ืจื’ืœ ืงื˜ื ื™ื,
08:38
and shot in smoke.
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ื•ื”ืŸ ืžืฆื•ืœืžื•ืช ื“ืจืš ืขืฉืŸ.
08:40
Jim went three miles went down, and I went about
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ื’'ื™ื ื™ืจื“ ืœืขื•ืžืง ืฉืœ ื›-5 ืง"ืž ื•ืื ื™ ื”ืœื›ืชื™ ืœืžืจื—ืง
08:43
three miles away from the studio
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ืฉืœ ื›-5 ืง"ืž ืžื”ืื•ืœืคืŸ
08:44
and photographed this in a garage.
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ื•ืฆื™ืœืžืชื™ ืืช ื–ื” ื‘ื—ื ื™ื” ืกื’ื•ืจื”.
08:47
And so, but what you're emoting to, or what you're looking
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[ื“ื’ื] ืžื” ืฉืืชื ืžื’ื™ื‘ื™ื ืœื•, ืื• ืžื” ืฉืืชื ืจื•ืื™ื,
08:49
at, had the same feeling, the same haunting quality,
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ื™ืฉ ืœื• ืื•ืชื” ืชื—ื•ืฉื”, ืื•ืชื” ืื™ื›ื•ืช ืžื˜ืจื™ื“ื”,
08:52
that Jim's footage had, so I found it so fascinating
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ื›ืžื• ื”ืงื˜ืข ืฉืฆื™ืœื ื’'ื™ื, ื•ืœื“ืขืชื™ ื–ื” ืžืžืฉ ืžืจืชืง
08:55
that our brains sort of, once you believe something's real,
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[ืžืงื•ืจ] ืฉื”ืžื•ื— ืฉืœื ื•, ืžืจื’ืข ืฉืื ื• ืžืืžื™ื ื™ื ืฉืžืฉื”ื• ื ื›ื•ืŸ,
09:00
you transfer everything that you feel about it,
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ืžืขื‘ื™ืจ ืืช ื›ืœ ืžื” ืฉืื ื• ืžืจื’ื™ืฉื™ื ืœื’ื‘ื™ ื–ื”,
09:03
this quality you have, and it's totally artificial.
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[ื“ื’ื] ื”ืื™ื›ื•ืช ื”ื–ื•, ื•ื”ื›ืœ ืžืœืื›ื•ืชื™ ืœื’ืžืจื™.
09:05
It's totally make-believe, yet it's not to you,
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[ืžืงื•ืจ] ื”ื›ืœ ื”ื•ื ืขื‘ื•ื“ื” ื‘ืขื™ื ื™ื™ื, ืื‘ืœ ืœื ื‘ืขื™ื ื™ื›ื,
09:09
and I found that that was a very interesting thing
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[ื“ื’ื] ื•ื–ื” ื ืจืื” ืœื™ ืžืฉื”ื• ืฉืžืื“ ืžืขื ื™ื™ืŸ
09:11
to explore and use, and it caused me to create the next
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ืœื—ืงื•ืจ ื•ืœื ืฆืœ ืื•ืชื•, ื•ื–ื” ื”ื‘ื™ื ืื•ืชื™ ืœื™ืฆื•ืจ
09:14
effect that I'll show you, which is
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[ืžืงื•ืจ] ืืช ื”ืืคืงื˜ ื”ื‘ื ืฉืืจืื” ืœื›ื,
09:15
this sort of magic transition, and all I was really attempting
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ืฉื”ื•ื ืžื™ืŸ ืžืขื‘ืจ ืงืกื•ื, ื•ื›ืœ ืžื” ืฉื‘ืขืฆื ื ื™ืกื™ืชื™ ืœืขืฉื•ืช
09:19
to do is basically have the audience cue the effect,
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[ื“ื’ื] ื”ื•ื ืฉื”ืฆื•ืคื™ื ื™ืกืžื ื• ืืช ืชื—ื™ืœืช ื”ืืคืงื˜,
09:22
so it became a seamless experience for them,
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ื›ื“ื™ ืฉื–ื” ื™ื™ืขืฉื” ืžื‘ื—ื™ื ืชื ืœื—ื•ื•ื™ื” ืจืฆื•ืคื”,
09:25
that I wasn't showing you my sort of interpretation,
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[ืžืงื•ืจ] ื‘ืžืงื•ื ืฉืืจืื” ืœื›ื ืืช ื”ืคืจืฉื ื•ืช ืฉืœื™,
09:27
I was showing you what you wanted to see.
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ืื ื™ ืžืจืื” ืœื›ื ืืช ืžื” ืฉืืชื ืจื•ืฆื™ื ืœืจืื•ืช.
09:30
And the very next shot, right after this --
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ื”ืฆื™ืœื•ื ื”ื‘ื, ืžื™ื“ ืื—ืจื™ ื–ื”--
09:37
So you can see what I was doing.
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[ื“ื’ื] ืืชื ืจื•ืื™ื ืžื” ืขืฉื™ืชื™.
09:39
So basically, if there's two subs in the same shot,
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ืื– ืื ื™ืฉ ืฉืชื™ ืฆื•ืœืœื•ืช ื‘ืื•ืชื• ืฆื™ืœื•ื,
09:41
I shot it, because where's the camera coming from?
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ืื ื™ ืฆื™ืœืžืชื™ ืืช ื–ื”, ืื—ืจืช, ืื™ืคื” ื”ืžืฆืœืžื”?
09:43
And when Jim shot it, it was only one sub,
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ื•ื›ืฉื’'ื™ื ืฆื™ืœื ืืช ื–ื”, ืจื•ืื™ื ืจืง ืฆื•ืœืœืช ืื—ืช,
09:45
because he was photographing from the other,
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ื›ื™ ื”ื•ื ืฆื™ืœื ืžืŸ ื”ืฉื ื™ื”,
09:46
and I don't remember if I did this or Jim did this.
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ื•ืื ื™ ืœื ื–ื•ื›ืจ ืื ืื ื™ ืขืฉื™ืชื™ ืืช ื–ื” ืื• ื’'ื™ื.
09:48
I'll give it to Jim, because he could use the pat on the back.
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ืืชืŸ ืืช ื–ื” ืœื’'ื™ื, ื›ื™ ืœื ืชื–ื™ืง ืœื• ื˜ืคื™ื—ื” ืขืœ ื”ืฉื›ื.
09:51
(Laughter)
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[ื“ื’ื] [ืฆื—ื•ืง]
09:58
Okay. So now the Titanic transition.
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ื‘ืกื“ืจ. ื•ื›ืขืช ืœื”ืฉืชื ื•ืช ืฉืœ ื”"ื˜ื™ื˜ืื ื™ืง".
10:00
So this is what I was referring to where I wanted to basically
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ืื– ืœื–ื” ื”ืชื™ื™ื—ืกืชื™ ื›ืฉืจืฆื™ืชื™
10:03
magically transplant from one state of the Titanic
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ืœื‘ืฆืข ืžืขื‘ืจ ืžืžืฆื‘ ืื—ื“ ืฉืœ ื”"ื˜ื™ื˜ืื ื™ืง"
10:06
to the other. So I'll just play the shot once. (Music)
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ืœืžืฆื‘ ืฉื ื™. ืืงืจื™ืŸ ืืช ื”ืงื˜ืข ืคืขื ืื—ืช. [ืžื•ืกื™ืงื”]
10:10
(Music)
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[ืžื•ืกื™ืงื”]
10:13
And what I was hoping for is that it just melts in front of you.
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ืงื™ื•ื•ื™ืชื™ ืœื”ืฉื™ื’ ืฉื–ื” ืคืฉื•ื˜ ื™ืชืžื•ืกืก ืœื ื’ื“ ืขื™ื ื™ื›ื.
10:25
Gloria Stuart: That was the last time Titanic ever saw daylight.
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ื’ืœื•ืจื™ื” ืกื˜ื™ื•ืืจื˜: ื–ื• ื”ื™ืชื” ื”ืคืขื ื”ืื—ืจื•ื ื” ืฉื”"ื˜ื™ื˜ืื ื™ืง" ืจืืชื” ืืช ืื•ืจ ื”ื™ื•ื.
10:29
RL: So, what I did is basically I had another
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ืจ"ืœ: ืื– ืžื” ืฉืขืฉื™ืชื™, ื”ื™ืชื” ืœื™
10:32
screening room experience where I was basically tracking
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ื—ื•ื•ื™ื” ื ื•ืกืคืช ืžื—ื“ืจ ื”ื”ืงืจื ื” ืฉื‘ื” ืขืงื‘ืชื™
10:35
where I was looking, or where we were looking,
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ืื—ืจื™ ื”ืžื‘ื˜ ืฉืœื™, ืื• ื”ืžื‘ื˜ ืฉืœื ื•,
10:37
and of course you're looking at the two people on the bow
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ื•ื›ืžื•ื‘ืŸ ืฉืžืกืชื›ืœื™ื ืขืœ ืฉื ื™ ื”ืื ืฉื™ื ืฉืขืœ ื—ืจื˜ื•ื ื”ืกืคื™ื ื”
10:39
of the ship, and then at some point,
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ื•ืื–, ื‘ื ืงื•ื“ื” ืžืกื•ื™ืžืช,
10:42
I'm changing the periphery of the shot,
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ืื ื™ ืžืฉื ื” ืืช ื”ื’ื‘ื•ืœ ื”ื—ื™ืฆื•ื ื™ ืฉืœ ื”ืฆื™ืœื•ื,
10:44
I'm changing, it's becoming the rusted wreck,
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ื•ื–ื” ื”ื•ืคืš ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ืœืกืคื™ื ื” ื”ื˜ืจื•ืคื” ื•ื”ื—ืœื•ื“ื”,
10:46
and then I would run it every day, and then I would find
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ื”ืงืจื ืชื™ ืืช ื–ื” ืžื™ื“ื™ ื™ื•ื, ื•ืžืฆืืชื™ ืืช ื”ืจื’ืข ื”ืžื“ื•ื™ืง
10:49
exactly the moment that I stopped looking at them
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ืฉื‘ื• ืื ื™ ืžืคืกื™ืง ืœื”ื‘ื™ื˜ ื‘ื”ื
10:52
and start noticing the rest of it, and the moment
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ื•ืžืชื—ื™ืœ ืœืฉื™ื ืœื‘ ืœื›ืœ ื”ื™ืชืจ, ื•ื”ืจื’ืข ื‘ื• ื”ืขื™ืŸ ืฉืœื™ ื”ื•ืกื˜ื”,
10:54
my eye shifted, we just marked it to the frame.
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ืคืฉื•ื˜ ืกื™ืžื ื• ืื•ืชื• ื‘ืคืจื™ื™ื.
10:57
The moment my eye shifted, I immediately started
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ื‘ืจื’ืข ื‘ื• ืขื™ื ื™ ื”ื•ืกื˜ื”, ืžื™ื“ ื”ืชื—ืœืชื™
10:59
to change them, so now somehow you missed
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ืœืฉื ื•ืช ืื•ืชื, ืื– ื›ืขืช ืื™ื›ืฉื”ื• ืคืกืคืกืชื
11:01
where it started and where it stopped.
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ื”ื™ื›ืŸ ื–ื” ื”ืชื—ื™ืœ ื•ื”ื™ื›ืŸ ื–ื” ื ื’ืžืจ.
11:04
And so I'll just show it one more time.
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ืืจืื” ืœื›ื ืืช ื–ื” ืคืขื ื ื•ืกืคืช.
11:06
(Music) And it's literally done by using what our brains
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[ืžื•ืกื™ืงื”] ื•ื–ื” ื‘ืคื™ืจื•ืฉ ื ืขืฉื” ืชื•ืš ื ื™ืฆื•ืœ ืžื” ืฉื”ืžื•ื— ืฉืœื ื•
11:09
naturally do for us, which is, as soon as you shift
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ืขื•ืฉื” ืœื ื•, ื›ืœื•ืžืจ, ืฉืžื™ื“ ื›ืืฉืจ ืืชื ืžืกื™ื˜ื™ื
11:13
your attention, something changes, and then I left
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ืืช ืชืฉื•ืžืช ืœื™ื‘ื›ื, ืžืฉื”ื• ืžืฉืชื ื”, ื•ืื– ื”ื ื—ืชื™
11:15
the little scarf going, because it really wanted to be
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ืœืฆืขื™ืฃ ื”ืงื˜ืŸ, ื›ื™ ื–ื” ื‘ืืžืช ื”ืชื‘ืงืฉ ืœื”ื™ื•ืช
11:17
a ghostly shot, really wanted to feel like they were still
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ืฆื™ืœื•ื ืจืคืื™ื, ืœื”ื•ืชื™ืจ ื”ืจื’ืฉื” ืฉื”ื ืขื“ื™ื™ืŸ
11:21
on the wreck, essentially. That's where they were buried forever.
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ื ืžืฆืื™ื ื‘ืขืฆื ืขืœ ื”ืกืคื™ื ื” ื”ื˜ืจื•ืคื”. ืฉื ื”ื ืงื‘ื•ืจื™ื ืœื ืฆื—.
11:24
Or something like that. I just made that up.
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ืื• ืžืฉื”ื• ื›ื–ื”. ื”ืจื’ืข ื”ืžืฆืืชื™ ืืช ื–ื”.
11:26
(Laughter)
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[ืฆื—ื•ืง]
11:29
It was, incidentally, the last time I ever saw daylight.
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ืื’ื‘, ื–ื• ื”ื™ืชื” ื”ืคืขื ื”ืื—ืจื•ื ื” ืฉื‘ื” ืจืื™ืชื™ ืืช ืื•ืจ ื”ื™ื•ื.
11:31
It was a long film to work on. (Laughter)
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ื–ื• ื”ื™ืชื” ืขื‘ื•ื“ืช ื”ืกืจื˜ื” ืžืžื•ืฉื›ืช. [ืฆื—ื•ืง]
11:34
Now, "Hugo" was another interesting movie, because
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"ื”ื•ื’ื•" ื”ื™ื” ืกืจื˜ ืžืขื ื™ื™ืŸ ื ื•ืกืฃ,
11:36
the movie itself is about film illusions.
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ื›ื™ ื”ืกืจื˜ ืขืฆืžื• ืขื•ืกืง ื‘ืืฉืœื™ื•ืช ื”ืงื•ืœื ื•ืข.
11:38
It's about how our brain is tricked into seeing a persistence
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ื–ื” ืขื•ืกืง ื‘ืื•ืคืŸ ื‘ื• ืžื•ื—ื ื• ืžื•ืœืš ืฉื•ืœืœ ื›ืš ืฉื™ืจืื” ืจืฆื™ืคื•ืช
11:41
of vision that creates a motion picture,
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ื—ื–ื•ืชื™ืช ืฉื™ื•ืฆืจืช ืกืจื˜ ืงื•ืœื ื•ืข,
11:44
and one of the things I had to do is, we โ€”
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ื•ืื—ื“ ื”ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ืฉื”ื™ื” ืขืœื™ ืœืขืฉื•ืช, ืื ื•--
11:48
Sasha Baron Cohen is a very clever, very smart guy,
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ืกืฉื” ื‘ืจื•ืŸ ื›ื”ืŸ ื”ื•ื ื‘ื—ื•ืจ ื—ื›ื ื•ืคื™ืงื— ืžืื“,
11:51
comedian, wanted to basically do an homage to the kind of
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ืงื•ืžื™ืงืื™, ื•ื”ื•ื ื‘ืขืฆื ืจืฆื” ืœืขืฉื•ืช ืžื—ื•ื•ื”
11:53
the Buster Keaton sort of slapstick things, and he wanted
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ืœืงื˜ืขื™ ื”ืกืœืคืกื˜ื™ืง ืฉืœ ื‘ืกื˜ืจ ืงื™ื˜ื•ืŸ, ื•ืื ื• ืจืฆื™ื ื•
11:55
his leg brace to get caught on a moving train.
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ืฉืชืžื™ื›ืช ื”ืจื’ืœ ืฉืœื• ืชื™ืชืคืก ื‘ืจื›ื‘ืช ื”ื ื•ืกืขืช.
11:59
Very dangerous, very impossible to do, and particularly
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ืžืกื•ื›ืŸ ืžืื“, ื‘ืœืชื™-ืืคืฉืจื™ ืœื‘ื™ืฆื•ืข, ื•ื‘ืžื™ื•ื—ื“
12:01
on our stage, because there literally is no way to actually
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ืขืœ ื”ื‘ืžื” ืฉืœื ื•, ื›ื™ ืžืžืฉ ืื™ืŸ ืฉื•ื ื“ืจืš
12:04
move this train, because it fits so snugly into our set.
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ืœื”ืกื™ืข ืืช ื”ืจื›ื‘ืช ื”ื–ื•, ื›ื™ ื”ื™ื ื”ืชืื™ืžื” ื‘ื“ื™ื•ืง ืœืชื•ืš ื”ืชืคืื•ืจื” ืฉืœื ื•.
12:09
So let me show you the scene, and then I basically
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ืื– ื”ื‘ื” ืืจืื” ืœื›ื ืืช ื”ืกืฆื ื”, ื•ืื– ื‘ืขืฆื
12:12
used the trick that was identified by Sergei Eisenstein,
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ื”ืฉืชืžืฉืชื™ ื‘ืชื—ื‘ื•ืœื” ืฉื”ืžืฆื™ื ืกืจื’ื™ื™ ืื™ื™ื–ื ืฉื˜ื™ื™ืŸ,
12:15
which is, if you have a camera that's moving with a moving
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ืฉื”ื™ื, ืื ื”ืžืฆืœืžื” ื ืขื” ื™ื—ื“ ืขื ืขืฆื ื ืข,
12:18
object, what is not moving appears to be moving,
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ืžื” ืฉืœื ื ืข ื™ื™ืจืื” ื›ืื™ืœื• ื”ื•ื ื ืข,
12:21
and what is moving appears to be stopped,
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ื•ืžื” ืฉื ืข ื™ื™ืจืื” ื›ืื™ืœื• ื”ื•ื ืขื•ืžื“,
12:24
so what you're actually seeing now is the train is not
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ืื– ืžื” ืฉื‘ืขืฆื ืืชื ืจื•ืื™ื ื›ืืŸ ื”ื•ื ืฉื”ืจื›ื‘ืช ืื™ื ื ื”
12:27
moving at all, and what is actually moving is the floor.
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ื ืขื” ื›ืœืœ, ื•ืžื” ืฉื‘ืขืฆื ื ืข ื”ื•ื ื”ืจื™ืฆืคื”.
12:32
So this is the shot. That's a little video of
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ื–ื” ื”ืงื˜ืข, ื”ื ื” ืกืจื˜ื•ืŸ ืงืฆืจ
12:35
what you're looking at there, which is our little test,
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ืฉืœ ืžื” ืฉืืชื ืžืชื‘ื•ื ื ื™ื ื‘ื• ื›ืืŸ, ืฉื”ื•ื ื”ืžื‘ื—ืŸ ื”ืงื˜ืŸ ืฉืœื ื•,
12:38
so that's actually what you're seeing, and I thought it was
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ื•ื–ื” ื‘ืขืฆื ืžื” ืฉืืชื ืจื•ืื™ื, ื•ื‘ืขื™ื ื™ ื–ื” ื”ื™ื”
12:41
sort of an interesting thing, because it was, part
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ื“ื™ ืžืขื ื™ื™ืŸ, ื›ื™ ื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ื—ืœืง ืžื”ืžื—ื•ื•ื”,
12:43
of the homage of the movie itself is coming up with this
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ืฉื”ืกืจื˜ ืขืฆืžื• ืžื›ื™ืœ ืืช ื”ืชื—ื‘ื•ืœื”
12:46
sort of genius trick which I can't take credit for.
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ื”ื’ืื•ื ื™ืช ื”ื–ื• ืฉืื™ื ื ื™ ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืœื–ืงื•ืฃ ืœื–ื›ื•ืชื™.
12:49
I'd love to but I can't, because it was invented
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ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืจื•ืฆื”, ืื‘ืœ ืœื, ื›ื™ ื”ื™ื ื”ื•ืžืฆืื”
12:51
like in 1910 or something like that, is I told Marty,
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ื‘ืขืจืš ื‘-1910 ืื• ืžืฉื”ื• ื›ื–ื”, ืืžืจืชื™ ืœืžืจื˜ื™,
12:56
and it's kind of one of those mind things that it's
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ื•ื–ื” ืื—ื“ ืžืื•ืชื ืชืขืชื•ืขื™ื,
12:58
really hard to really get until you actually see it work,
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ืฉืงืฉื” ืžืื“ ืœืชืคื•ืก ืขื“ ืฉืžืžืฉ ืจื•ืื™ื ืื•ืชื ื‘ืคืขื•ืœื”,
13:00
and I said, you know, what I was going to do, and he said,
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ืื– ืืžืจืชื™ ืžื” ื‘ื“ืขืชื™ ืœืขืฉื•ืช, ื•ื”ื•ื ืืžืจ,
13:03
"So, let me see if I can get this straight. The thing with the wheels?
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"ืจื’ืข, ืชืŸ ืœื™ ืœืจืื•ืช ืื ื”ื‘ื ืชื™. ื”ื“ื‘ืจ ืขื ื”ื’ืœื’ืœื™ื, ื›ืŸ?
13:05
That doesn't move."
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ื”ื•ื ืœื ื™ื–ื•ื–."
13:07
(Laughter) (Applause)
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[ืฆื—ื•ืง, ืžื—ื™ืื•ืช ื›ืคื™ื™ื]
13:10
"And the thing without the wheels, that moves."
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"ื•ื”ื“ื‘ืจ ื‘ืœื™ ื”ื’ืœื’ืœื™ื ื›ืŸ ื™ื–ื•ื–."
13:14
Precisely. (Laughter)
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ื‘ื“ื™ื•ืง. [ืฆื—ื•ืง]
13:17
Brings me to the next, and final --
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ื•ื–ื” ืžื‘ื™ื ืื•ืชื™ ืœืงื˜ืข ื”ื‘ื ื•ื”ืื—ืจื•ืŸ--
13:20
Marty's not going to see this, is he? (Laughter)
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ืžืจื˜ื™ ืœื ื™ืจืื” ืืช ื–ื”, ื ื›ื•ืŸ? [ืฆื—ื•ืง]
13:24
This isn't viewed outside of -- (Laughter)
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ืœื ืจื•ืื™ื ืืช ื–ื” ืžื—ื•ืฅ ืœ-- [ืฆื—ื•ืง]
13:28
The next illustration is something that, there's like
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ื”ื“ื•ื’ืžื” ื”ื‘ืื” ื”ื™ื ืžืฉื”ื•, ื™ืฉ ืžืฉื”ื• ืฉื ืงืจื
13:32
all one shot theory. It's a very elegant way of telling a story,
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ืชื™ืื•ืจื™ื™ืช ื”ืฆื™ืœื•ื ื”ื™ื—ื™ื“. ื–ื• ื“ืจืš ืžืื“ ืืœื’ื ื˜ื™ืช ืœืกืคืจ ืกื™ืคื•ืจ,
13:35
especially if you're following somebody on a journey,
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ื‘ืžื™ื•ื—ื“ ืื ืขื•ืงื‘ื™ื ืื—ืจื™ ืžื™ืฉื”ื• ื‘ื“ืจื›ื•,
13:37
and that journey basically tells something about
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ื•ื”ื“ืจืš ืื•ืžืจืช ืžืฉื”ื•
13:39
their personality in a very concise way,
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ืขืœ ื”ืื™ืฉื™ื•ืช ืฉืœื• ื‘ืื•ืคืŸ ืžืื“ ืชืžืฆื™ืชื™,
13:42
and what we wanted to do based on the shot in "Goodfellas,"
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ืจืฆื™ื ื• ืœืขืฉื•ืช ืžืฉื”ื• ืขืœ ื‘ืกื™ืก ื”ืฆื™ืœื•ื ืž"ื”ื—ื‘ืจ'ื” ื”ื˜ื•ื‘ื™ื",
13:44
which is one of the great shots ever,
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ืฉื”ื•ื ืื—ื“ ื”ืฆื™ืœื•ืžื™ื ื”ื›ื™ ื˜ื•ื‘ื™ื ื‘ืขื•ืœื,
13:46
a Martin Scorsese film, of basically following Henry Hill
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ืกืจื˜ ืฉืœ ืžืจื˜ื™ืŸ ืกืงื•ืจืกื–ื”, ืฉืขื•ืงื‘ ืื—ืจื™ ื”ื ืจื™ ื”ื™ืœ
13:49
through what it feels like to be a gangster walk
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ื•ื”ืชื—ื•ืฉื” ืฉืœ ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ื’ื ื’ืกื˜ืจ
13:51
going through the Copacabana and being treated in a special way.
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ื”ืขื•ื‘ืจ ื“ืจืš ืงื•ืคืงื‘ืื ื” ื•ื–ื•ื›ื” ืœื™ื—ืก ืžื™ื•ื—ื“.
13:54
He was the master of his universe, and we wanted Hugo
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ื”ื•ื ื”ื™ื” ืžืœืš ื”ืขื•ืœื ืฉืœื•, ื•ืื ื• ืจืฆื™ื ื• ืฉื’ื ื‘"ื”ื•ื’ื•"
13:58
to feel the same way, so we created this shot.
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ืชื”ื™ื” ืชื—ื•ืฉื” ื›ื–ื•, ืœื›ืŸ ื™ืฆืจื ื• ืืช ื”ืฆื™ืœื•ื ื”ื–ื”.
14:00
(Music)
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[ืžื•ืกื™ืงื”]
14:04
That's Hugo. (Music)
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ื–ื”ื• ื”ื•ื’ื•. [ืžื•ืกื™ืงื”]
14:09
And we felt that if we could basically move the camera
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ื•ื—ืฉื‘ื ื• ืฉืื ื ื•ื›ืœ ืœื”ื ื™ืข ืืช ื”ืžืฆืœืžื”
14:12
with him, we would feel what it feels like to be this boy
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ื™ื—ื“ ืื™ืชื•, ืชืชืงื‘ืœ ื”ืชื—ื•ืฉื” ืฉืœ ืžื” ื–ื” ืœื”ื™ื•ืช ื”ื™ืœื“ ื”ื–ื”
14:14
who is basically the master of his universe,
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ืฉื”ื•ื ื‘ืขืฆื ื”ืžืœืš ืฉืœ ืขื•ืœืžื•,
14:17
and his universe is, you know, behind the scenes
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ื•ืขื•ืœืžื• ื ืžืฆื ื”ืจื™ ืžืื—ื•ืจื™ ื”ืงืœืขื™ื
14:20
in the bowels of this particular train station
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ื‘ืชื•ืš ื”ืงืจื‘ื™ื™ื ืฉืœ ืชื—ื ืช ื”ืจื›ื‘ืช ื”ื–ื•
14:22
that only he can actually navigate through
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ืฉืจืง ื”ื•ื ื™ื›ื•ืœ ื‘ืขืฆื ืœืžืฆื•ื ื‘ื” ืืช ื”ื“ืจืš
14:24
and do it this way, and we had to make it feel that
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ื•ืœืขืฉื•ืช ืืช ื–ื” ื›ืš, ื•ื”ื™ื” ืขืœื™ื ื• ืœื’ืจื•ื ืœื›ืš ืฉื”ื”ืจื’ืฉื” ืชื”ื™ื”
14:27
this is his normal, everyday sort of life,
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ืฉืืœื” ื”ื ื—ื™ื™ื• ื”ื ื•ืจืžืœื™ื™ื ื•ื”ื™ื•ืžื™ื•ืžื™ื™ื,
14:29
so the idea of doing it as one shot was very important,
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ืื– ื”ืจืขื™ื•ืŸ ืœืฆืœื ื–ืืช ื‘ืฆื™ืœื•ื ื‘ื•ื“ื“ ื”ื™ื” ื—ืฉื•ื‘ ืžืื“,
14:32
and of course, in shooting in 3D, which is basically
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ื•ื›ืžื•ื‘ืŸ, ื›ืฉืžืฆืœืžื™ื ื‘ืชืœืช-ืžื™ืžื“, ืฉื–ื” ื‘ืขื–ืจืช
14:34
it's a huge camera that's hanging off of a giant stick,
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ืžืฆืœืžื” ืขื ืงื™ืช ืฉืชืœื•ื™ื” ืžืžื•ื˜ ืขืฆื•ื,
14:38
so to recreate a steadycam shot was the task,
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ืื– ื”ืžื˜ืจื” ื”ื™ืชื” ืœื™ืฆื•ืจ ืฆื™ืœื•ื ืฉืœ ืžืฆืœืžื” ื ื™ื™ื—ืช,
14:42
and make it feel kind of like what the reaction you got
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ื•ืœืขื•ืจืจ ืืช ื”ืชื—ื•ืฉื” ืฉื”ื™ืชื” ืœื›ื
14:45
when you saw the "Goodfellas" shot.
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ื›ืฉืจืื™ืชื ืืช ื”ืฆื™ืœื•ื ืž"ื”ื—ื‘ืจ'ื” ื”ื˜ื•ื‘ื™ื".
14:47
So what you're now going to see is how we actually did it.
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ื›ืขืช ืชืจืื• ืื™ืš ืขืฉื™ื ื• ื–ืืช ื‘ืคื•ืขืœ.
14:50
It's actually five separate sets shot at five different times
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ืืœื• ื‘ืขืฆื ื—ืžืฉ ืชืคืื•ืจื•ืช ืฉื•ื ื•ืช ืฉืžืฆื•ืœืžื•ืช ื‘ื—ืžื™ืฉื” ื–ืžื ื™ื ืฉื•ื ื™ื
14:54
with two different boys.
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ื•ืขื ืฉื ื™ ื™ืœื“ื™ื ืฉื•ื ื™ื.
14:55
The one on the left is where the shot ends,
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ืžืฉืžืืœ ื–ื” ื”ื™ื›ืŸ ืฉืžืกืชื™ื™ื ื”ืฆื™ืœื•ื,
14:57
and the shot on the right is where it takes over,
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ื•ื”ืฆื™ืœื•ื ืžื™ืžื™ืŸ ื”ื•ื ื”ื”ืžืฉืš.
15:02
and now we switch boys, so it went from Asa Butterfield,
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ื•ื›ืขืช ืื ื• ืžื—ืœื™ืคื™ื ืืช ื”ื™ืœื“ื™ื, ื•ืขื•ื‘ืจื™ื ืžืืกื ื‘ื˜ืจืคื™ืœื“
15:06
who's the star of the show, to his stand-in. (Music)
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ืฉื”ื•ื ื›ื•ื›ื‘ ื”ืกืจื˜, ืœืžื—ืœื™ืฃ ืฉืœื•. [ืžื•ืกื™ืงื”]
15:10
I wouldn't say his stunt double. There's a crazy rig
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ืœื ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ืื•ืžืจ "ื›ืคื™ืœ". ื™ืฉ ื›ืืŸ ืžื‘ื ื” ืžื˜ื•ืจืฃ
15:12
that we built for this. (Music)
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ืฉื‘ื ื™ื ื• ืœืฆื•ืจืš ื›ืš. [ืžื•ืกื™ืงื”]
15:14
And so this is, and now this is set number three
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ื–ื”ื• ื–ื”. ื•ื›ืขืช ืื ื• ื‘ืชืคืื•ืจื” ืžืก' 3
15:18
we're into, and then we're going to go into, basically
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ื•ืื– ื ืขื‘ื•ืจ ื‘ืขืฆื
15:22
the very last moment of the shot is actually
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ืœืจื’ืข ื”ืื—ืจื•ืŸ ืฉืœ ื”ืฆื™ืœื•ื, ืฉื”ื•ื ืžืฆื•ืœื ื‘ืืžืช
15:25
the steadycam shot. Everything else was shot on cranes
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ื‘ืžืฆืœืžื” ื ื™ื™ื—ืช. ื›ืœ ื”ื™ืชืจ ืฆื•ืœื ื‘ืขื–ืจืช ืขื’ื•ืจื ื™ื
15:27
and various things like that, and it literally was done
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ื•ื“ื‘ืจื™ื ื›ืืœื”, ื•ื–ื” ื ืขืฉื” ื‘ืืžืช
15:29
over five different sets, two different boys, different times,
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ื‘-5 ืชืคืื•ืจื•ืช ืฉื•ื ื•ืช, ืขื 2 ื™ืœื“ื™ื ื•ื‘ื–ืžื ื™ื ืฉื•ื ื™ื,
15:32
and it all had to feel like it was all one shot, and what was
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ื•ื”ื›ืœ ื”ื™ื” ืืžื•ืจ ืœืชืช ืชื—ื•ืฉื” ืฉื–ื”ื• ืฆื™ืœื•ื ื™ื—ื™ื“,
15:35
sort of great for me was it was probably
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ื•ืžื” ืฉื”ื™ื” ื ื”ื“ืจ ืžื‘ื—ื™ื ืชื™ ื”ื™ื” ืฉื–ื” ื”ื™ื” ืื•ืœื™
15:40
the best-reviewed shot I've ever worked on,
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ื”ืฆื™ืœื•ื ืฉื–ื›ื” ืœื‘ื™ืงื•ืจื•ืช ื”ื›ื™ ื˜ื•ื‘ื•ืช ืฉืื™-ืคืขื ืขื‘ื“ืชื™ ืขืœื™ื•,
15:42
and, you know, I was kind of proud of it when I was done,
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ื•ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื’ืื” ืžืื“ ื›ืฉื”ื•ื ื”ื•ืฉืœื,
15:45
which is, you should never really be proud of stuff, I guess.
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ื›ื™ ืืกื•ืจ ืœื”ืชื’ืื•ืช ื‘ืžื” ืฉืขืฉื™ืช, ืื ื™ ืžื ื™ื—.
15:50
So I was kind of proud of it, and I went to a friend of mine,
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ืื– ื”ื™ื™ืชื™ ื’ืื” ื‘ื–ื”, ื•ื”ืœื›ืชื™ ืœื—ื‘ืจ ืฉืœื™,
15:53
and said, "You know, this is, you know, kind of
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ื•ืืžืจืชื™, "ืืชื” ื™ื•ื“ืข, ื–ื”ื•
15:55
the best-reviewed shot I've ever worked on.
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ื”ืฆื™ืœื•ื ืขื ื”ื‘ื™ืงื•ืจื•ืช ื”ื›ื™ ื˜ื•ื‘ื•ืช ืฉืื™-ืคืขื ืขื‘ื“ืชื™ ืขืœื™ื•.
15:56
What do you think was the reason?"
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ืžื” ืœื“ืขืชืš ื”ืกื™ื‘ื”?"
15:59
And he said, "Because no one knows
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ื•ื”ื•ื ืขื ื”, "ื›ื™ ืื™ืฉ ืœื ื™ื•ื“ืข
16:01
you had anything to do with it."
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ืฉื™ืฉ ืœืš ืงืฉืจ ืœื–ื”."
16:03
(Laughter)
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[ืฆื—ื•ืง]
16:06
So, all I can say is, thank you,
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ืื– ืื ื™ ื™ื›ื•ืœ ืจืง ืœื•ืžืจ ืชื•ื“ื” ืจื‘ื”.
16:09
and that's my presentation for you. (Applause)
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ื–ื• ื”ื”ืจืฆืื” ืฉืœื™. [ืžื—ื™ืื•ืช ื›ืคื™ื™ื]
16:15
(Applause)
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[ืžื—ื™ืื•ืช ื›ืคื™ื™ื]
ืขืœ ืืชืจ ื–ื”

ืืชืจ ื–ื” ื™ืฆื™ื’ ื‘ืคื ื™ื›ื ืกืจื˜ื•ื ื™ YouTube ื”ืžื•ืขื™ืœื™ื ืœืœื™ืžื•ื“ ืื ื’ืœื™ืช. ืชื•ื›ืœื• ืœืจืื•ืช ืฉื™ืขื•ืจื™ ืื ื’ืœื™ืช ื”ืžื•ืขื‘ืจื™ื ืขืœ ื™ื“ื™ ืžื•ืจื™ื ืžื”ืฉื•ืจื” ื”ืจืืฉื•ื ื” ืžืจื—ื‘ื™ ื”ืขื•ืœื. ืœื—ืฅ ืคืขืžื™ื™ื ืขืœ ื”ื›ืชื•ื‘ื™ื•ืช ื‘ืื ื’ืœื™ืช ื”ืžื•ืฆื’ื•ืช ื‘ื›ืœ ื“ืฃ ื•ื™ื“ืื• ื›ื“ื™ ืœื”ืคืขื™ืœ ืืช ื”ืกืจื˜ื•ืŸ ืžืฉื. ื”ื›ืชื•ื‘ื™ื•ืช ื’ื•ืœืœื•ืช ื‘ืกื ื›ืจื•ืŸ ืขื ื”ืคืขืœืช ื”ื•ื•ื™ื“ืื•. ืื ื™ืฉ ืœืš ื”ืขืจื•ืช ืื• ื‘ืงืฉื•ืช, ืื ื ืฆื•ืจ ืื™ืชื ื• ืงืฉืจ ื‘ืืžืฆืขื•ืช ื˜ื•ืคืก ื™ืฆื™ืจืช ืงืฉืจ ื–ื”.

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