James A. White Sr.: The little problem I had renting a house

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翻译人员: Hong Li 校对人员: Wei Wu
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An 18-year-old, African-American male joined the United States Air Force
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作为一个18岁的非裔美国人, 我加入了美国空军,
00:18
and was assigned to Mountain Home Air Force Base
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被分配到芒廷霍姆空军基地,
00:21
and was a part of the air police squadron.
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成为了空中警察中队的一员。
00:24
Upon first arriving there, the first goal that I had
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报到之后,我的第一件事
00:28
was for me to identify an apartment,
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就是想租一间公寓,
00:30
so I could bring my wife and my new baby, Melanie,
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这样我就能把我妻子 和刚出生的宝宝,梅兰妮
00:34
out to join me in Idaho.
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都带到爱达荷。
00:36
I immediately went to the personnel office,
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我立刻跑到人事部,
00:39
and talking with the guys in personnel,
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询问那里的工作人员,
00:41
they said, "Hey, no problem finding an apartment in Mountain Home, Idaho.
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他们说,“在爱达荷州的芒廷霍姆 租房子很容易啊。
00:46
The people down there love us because they know if they have an airman
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这里的居民很喜欢我们, 因为他们知道,
00:51
who is coming in to rent one of their apartments,
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如果是空军士兵租他们公寓的话,
00:53
they'll always get their money."
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肯定不会拖欠房租。“
00:56
And that was a really important thing.
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这事儿对他们(房东)来说很重要。
00:58
He said, "So here is a list of people that you can call,
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他说,“我这有个单子, 你给这些房东打电话,
01:00
and then they will then allow you to select the apartment that you want."
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他们会让你去挑一个喜欢的公寓的。”
01:04
So I got the list; I made the call.
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我收下单子,打了电话。
01:07
The lady answered on the other end and I told her what I wanted.
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一位女士接了电话, 我告诉她我想租房子。
01:10
She said, "Oh, great you called.
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她说,“哦,你问的正是时候。
01:13
We have four or five apartments available right now."
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我们手头有四、五套公寓要出租呢。”
01:17
She said, "Do you want a one-bedroom or two-bedroom?"
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她问,“你要一间卧室的还是两间卧室的?”
01:20
Then she said, "Let's not talk about that.
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她又说,“还是别在电话里说了。
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Just come on down, select the apartment that you want.
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你直接过来看,挑一套你喜欢的。
01:24
We'll sign the contract
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我们把合同签了,
01:26
and you'll have keys in your hand to get your family out here right away."
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你立刻就能拿到钥匙, 你们一家马上就能住进来。”
01:30
So I was excited.
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我高兴坏了。
01:32
I jumped in my car. I went downtown and knocked on the door.
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我跳进车里,开到市区, 来到那位女士家。
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When I knocked on the door, the woman came to the door,
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我敲开门,那位女士来到门口,
01:38
and she looked at me, and she said, "Can I help you?"
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她看了我一眼,问, “你有什么事吗?”
01:41
I said, "Yes, I'm the person who called about the apartments.
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我说,“是的,我就是 刚刚打电话要租房的人。
01:45
I was just coming down to make my selection."
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我是来挑房子的。”
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She said, "You know what? I'm really sorry,
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她说,“我跟你说,我非常抱歉,
01:50
but my husband rented those apartments and didn't tell me about them."
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我丈夫已经把这些公寓都租出去了, 但他没告诉我。”
01:54
I said, "You mean he rented all five of them in one hour?"
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我说,“他在一小时之内 把五套公寓都租出去了?”
01:59
She didn't give me a response, and what she said was this:
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她没接我茬,而是对我说,
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She said, "Why don't you leave your number,
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“把你的电话留下吧,
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and if we have some openings, I'll give you a call?"
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如果我们再有房源,我会跟你联系。”
02:07
Needless to say, I did not get a call from her.
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不用想,她再没跟我联系。
02:11
Nor did I get any responses from the other people
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单子上其他的房东
02:14
that they gave me on the list where I could get apartments.
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也没有给我任何答复。
02:17
So as a result of that, and feeling rejected,
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带着这样的结果和挫败感,
02:20
I went back to the base, and I talked to the squadron commander.
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我回到基地,找到了我们中队的指挥官。
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His name was McDow, Major McDow.
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他叫麦克道,麦克道少校。
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I said, "Major McDow, I need your help."
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我说,“麦克道少校,我需要您的帮助。”
02:28
I told him what happened, and here's what he said to me:
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我告诉他事情经过,他说,
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He said, "James, I would love to help you.
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“詹姆斯,我很想帮你。
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But you know the problem:
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但是你要明白:
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We can't make people rent to folks that they don't want to rent to.
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别人不想租给你房子,我们也不能强迫啊。
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And besides, we have a great relationship with people in the community
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而且,我们跟这个社区的居民关系很好,
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and we really don't want to damage that."
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我实在不想把关系搞僵。”
02:45
He said, "So maybe this is what you should do.
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他说,“也许你应该这么办。
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Why don't you let your family stay home,
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你还是别让家人来随军了,
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because you do know that you get a 30-day leave.
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你也知道,你(每年)有30天假期。
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So once a year,
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所以每一年,
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you can go home to your family, spend 30 days and then come on back."
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你都可以回家探亲,和家人待30天, 再回来报到。”
02:59
Needless to say, that didn't resonate for me.
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毫无疑问,这不是我想要的结果。
03:01
So after leaving him, I went back to personnel,
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所以从少校那儿出来,我又去了人事部,
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and talking to the clerk,
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找到之前那个职员,
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he said, "Jim, I think I have a solution for you.
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他说,“吉姆,我觉得我有个办法能帮你。
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There's an airman who is leaving and he has a trailer.
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有个士兵马上要退伍了,他有辆房车。
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If you noticed, in Mountain Home,
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不知道你注意过没有,在芒廷霍姆
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there are trailer parks and trailers all over the place.
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有许多房车公园,停满了房车。
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You can buy his trailer, and you'd probably get a really good deal
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你可以把他的房车买下来, 价钱应该好商量,
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because he wants to get out of town as soon as possible.
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因为他想尽快离开。
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And that would take care of your problem,
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这样就能解决你的问题了,
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and that would provide the solution for you."
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也许是个不错的方案。
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So I immediately jumped in my car, went downtown, saw the trailer --
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我立刻上车,开到市区, 找到了那辆房车,
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it was a small trailer,
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房车很小,
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but under the circumstances,
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但是在当时那种情况下,
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I figured that was the best thing that I could do.
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也许是最好的选择。
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So I bought the trailer.
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于是我把房车买了下来。
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And then I asked him, "Can I just leave the trailer here,
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然后我问他, “我能把房车继续停在这儿吗?
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and that would take care of all my problems,
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这样我所有问题就都解决了,
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I wouldn't have to find another trailer park?"
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还是说我要去另找一个房车公园?”
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He said, "Before I say yes to that, I need to check with management."
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他说,“我不确定, 我要问问公园管理部门。”
03:50
So I get back to the base,
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于是我返回基地,
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he called me back and management said,
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他给我回电话了,管理部门说,
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"No, you can't leave the trailer here
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“不行,你不能把房车停在这,
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because we had promised that slot to some other people."
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我们已经把这个车位让给别人了。”
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And that was strange to me
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这让我觉得很奇怪,
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because there were several other slots that were open,
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因为还有好几个车位是空的,
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but it just so happened that he had promised that slot to someone else.
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而他恰恰就把这个车位让给别人了。
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So, what I did --
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那我怎么办呢,
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and he said, "You shouldn't worry, Jim, because there are a lot of trailer parks."
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他说,“不用担心,吉姆, 还有很多房车公园。”
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So I put out another exhaustive list of going to trailer parks.
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于是我又有了一份长长的清单, 全是房车公园。
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I went to one after another, after another.
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我一家一家的去问,
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And I got the same kind of rejection there
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得到的都是拒绝的答复,
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that I received when I was looking for the apartment.
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就像我在找公寓的时候一样。
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And as a result, the kind of comments that they made to me,
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除了说他们没有多余的车位外,
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in addition to saying that they didn't have any slots open,
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他们还对我说过这样的话,
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one person said, "Jim, the reason why we can't rent to you,
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一个人说,“吉姆,我之所以 不能给你一个车位,
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we already have a Negro family in the trailer park."
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是因为我们这个房车公园里 已经有一家黑人了。”
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He said, "And it's not me, because I like you people."
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“我并不想这样, 我是喜欢你们(黑人)的。”
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(Laughs)
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(笑声)
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And that's what I did, too. I chuckled, too.
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当时我的反应也一样,我也笑了。
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He said, "But here's the problem:
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他说,“问题是这样的:
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If I let you in, the other tenants will move out
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如果我让你搬进来,其他租客就会搬走,
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and I can't afford to take that kind of a hit."
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我的损失就大了。”
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He said, "I just can't rent to you."
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他说,”所以我没法租给你。”
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Even though that was discouraging, it didn't stop me.
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虽然很让人沮丧,但我没有放弃。
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I kept looking,
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我继续找,
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and I looked at the far end of the town in Mountain Home,
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我找到芒廷霍姆镇的一个角落,
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and there was a small trailer park.
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那里有一个小的房车公园。
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I mean, a really small trailer park.
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真的非常小。
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It didn't have any paved roads in it,
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里面连路都没有,
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it didn't have the concrete slabs,
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地面也没有铺砖,
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it didn't have fencing
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也没有围栏,
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to portion off your trailer slot from other trailer slots.
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将各个车位隔开。
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It didn't have a laundry facility.
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没有洗衣房。
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But the conclusion I reached at that moment
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但我当时的遭遇
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was that I didn't have a lot of other options.
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让我没什么其他选择。
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So I called my wife, and I said, "We're going to make this one work."
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我给我妻子打电话,说, “咱们就住到那儿去吧。”
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And we moved into it
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于是我们搬到了那里,
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and we became homeowners in Mountain Home, Idaho.
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成为了爱达荷州芒廷霍姆的居民。
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And of course, eventually things settled down.
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当然,我们最终安顿下来了。
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Four years after that, I received papers to move from Mountain Home, Idaho
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四年后,我接到调令, 离开爱达荷州芒廷霍姆,
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to a place called Goose Bay, Labrador.
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前往拉布拉多的古斯湾。
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We won't even talk about that. It was another great location. (Laughter)
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又是个鸟不拉屎的地方, 我都无力吐槽了。(笑声)
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So my challenge then was to get my family from Mountain Home, Idaho
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我迎来了新的挑战, 要把家人从爱达荷州芒廷霍姆,
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to Sharon, Pennsylvania.
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搬到宾夕法尼亚州沙龙。
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That wasn't a problem because we had just purchased a brand-new automobile.
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其实问题也不大,我们当时刚买了辆新车。
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My mother called and said she'll fly out.
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我母亲给我来电话说要过来。
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She'll be with us as we drive, she'll help us manage the children.
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她会跟我们一起搬家,在路上照顾孩子。
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So she came out, her and Alice put a lot of food together for the trip.
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于是我母亲过来了,她跟爱丽丝一起 准备了食物在路上吃。
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That morning, we left at about 5 a.m.
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我们早上5点就出发了。
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Great trip, having a great time, good conversation.
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旅途很愉快,我们一路上聊得很开心。
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Somewhere around 6:30, 7 o'clock, we got a little bit tired,
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差不多(晚上)6点半,7点的时候, 我们觉得有点累了,
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and we said, "Why don't we get a motel so that we can rest
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我们商量,“还是找家汽车旅馆歇一晚,
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and then have an early start in the morning?"
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明天一早再继续赶路吧。”
06:33
So we were looking at a number of the motels as we drove down the road,
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汽车旅馆很多,我们边开边找,
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and we saw one, it was a great big, bright flashing light that said,
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然后看到一家,门口巨大的、 闪亮的灯箱上写着,
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"Vacancies, Vacancies, Vacanies."
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“有空房,有空房,有空房。”
06:42
So we stopped in.
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于是我们停下车。
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They were in the parking lot, I went inside.
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他们在停车场等着,我走进屋。
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When I walked inside,
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在我进屋的时候,
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the lady was just finishing up one contract with some folks,
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前台的女士刚刚给一些人办完入住手续,
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some other people were coming in behind me.
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还有几个人跟在我后面也进了屋。
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And so I walked to the counter,
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于是我走到柜台前,
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and she said, "How can I help you?"
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那位女士问,“有什么能帮您的吗?”
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I said, "I would like to get a motel for the evening for my family."
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我说,“我和家人想要一间房过夜。”
06:59
She said, "You know, I'm really sorry, I just rented the last one.
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她说,“实在抱歉,刚刚那是最后一间房了。
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We will not have any more until the morning."
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得等到明早才会有空房。”
07:06
She said, "But if you go down the road about an hour, 45 minutes,
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“如果你沿这条路再开45分钟到1小时,
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there's another trailer park down there."
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会有一个房车公园。”
07:13
I said, "Yeah, but you still have the 'Vacancies' light on, and it's flashing."
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我说,“但你外面写着‘空房’ 的灯还开着,还闪呢。”
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She said, "Oh, I forgot."
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她说,“哦,我忘了关了。”
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And she reached over and turned the light off.
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她凑过去把灯关了。
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She looked at me and I looked at her.
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我俩面面相觑。
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There were other people in the room.
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屋里还有其他人。
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She kind of looked at them. No one said anything.
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她看了看其他人,鸦雀无声。
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So I just got the hint and I left, and went outside to the parking lot.
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我突然明白了,于是走出屋子, 向停车场走去。
07:30
And I told my mother and I told my wife and also Melanie, and I said,
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我对我的母亲、妻子和梅兰妮说,
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"It looks like we're going to have to drive a little bit further down the road
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“看来我们还得再往前开一段距离,
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to be able to sleep tonight."
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才能找到地方睡觉了。”
07:40
And we did drive down the road,
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我们准备继续往前开,
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but just before we took off and pulled out of the parking lot,
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就在我发动车,准备开出停车场的时候,
07:46
guess what happened?
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你们猜怎么着?
07:47
The light came back on.
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灯箱又亮了。
07:49
And it said, "Vacancies, Vacancies, Vacancies."
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闪耀着,“有空房,有空房,有空房。”
07:52
We were able to find a nice place.
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我们还是找到了一个不错的地方。
07:54
It wasn't our preference, but it was secure and it was clean.
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虽然不是首选,但也安全和干净。
07:59
And so we had a great sleep that night.
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所以那晚我们睡得很好。
08:02
The piece that's important about that
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我想说的重点是
08:04
is that we had similar kinds of experiences
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我们从爱达荷到宾夕法尼亚这一路上,
08:07
from Idaho all the way through to Pennsylvania,
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不断经历着相似的遭遇,
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where we were rejected from hotels, motels and restaurants.
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就是不断地被旅店、汽车旅馆和餐厅拒绝。
08:14
But we made it to Pennsylvania.
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但我们还是到达了宾夕法尼亚。
08:17
We got the family settled. Everyone was glad to see the kids.
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我们把家安顿好。 有孩子在大家都很开心。
08:21
I jumped on a plane and shot off to Goose Bay, Labrador,
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我跳上飞机,飞到了拉布拉多的古斯湾,
08:26
which is another story, right?
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(之后的事)应该算另一个故事了,对吗?
08:27
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
08:30
Here it is, 53 years later,
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就这样,53年过去了,
08:34
I now have nine grandchildren, two great-grandchildren.
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我现在有9个孙子孙女, 2个重孙重孙女。
08:39
Five of the grandchildren are boys.
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其中有5个孙子。
08:41
I have master's, Ph.D., undergrad, one in medical school.
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他们中有硕士、博士、有在读的大学生, 还有一个在念医学专科。
08:47
I have a couple that are trending.
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有一对准夫妇。
08:49
They're almost there but not quite. (Laughter)
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差不多要结婚了,但是谁知道呢。 (笑声)
08:52
I have one who has been in college now for eight years.
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有一个在念大学,已经第八年了。
08:55
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
08:56
He doesn't have a degree yet, but he wants to be a comedian.
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他还没拿到学位, 但他想当个喜剧演员。
09:00
So we're just trying to get him to stay in school.
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我们都想让他留在学校。
09:03
Because you never know,
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因为世事难料,
09:04
just because you're funny at home, does not make you a comedian, right?
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不能说你在家里很搞笑, 你就能当喜剧演员了吧?
09:08
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
09:10
But the thing about it, they're all good kids --
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重要的是,他们都是好孩子,
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no drugs, no babies in high school, no crime.
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没有人吸毒,没有人在高中就生小孩, 也没有人犯罪。
09:17
So with that being the backdrop,
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这就是我家的情况,
09:19
I was sitting in my TV room watching TV,
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有一天,我坐在电视房看电视,
09:22
and they were talking about Ferguson and all the hullabaloo that was going on.
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(电视里)在讨论发生在弗格森的枪击案 和随之而来的动荡。
09:26
And all of a sudden, one of the news commentators got on the air and she said,
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突然,有一个新闻评论员 出现在节目里,她说,
09:32
"In the last three months,
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“在刚刚过去的三个月里,
09:34
eight unarmed African-American males
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有八位手无寸铁的非裔美国男性
09:38
have been killed by police, white homeowners, or white citizens."
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被警察、白人房东或者白人公民杀害。”
09:46
For some reason, at that moment it just all hit me.
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当时我被这条消息深深震惊了。
09:49
I said, "What is it? It is so insane.
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我说,“这都什么事儿啊?太疯狂了。
09:53
What is the hatred that's causing people to do these kinds of things?"
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多大的仇恨才会让人做出这样的事情?”
09:58
Just then, one of my grandsons called.
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紧接着,我的一个孙子给我打电话。
10:01
He said, "Granddad, did you hear what they said on TV?"
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他说,“爷爷,你刚刚看电视了吗?”
10:04
I said, "Yes, I did."
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我说,“看了。”
10:05
He said, "I'm just so confused.
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他说,“我不明白。
10:07
We do everything we do, but it seems that driving while black,
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我们都遵纪守法, 但是看来作为黑人,我们开车
10:12
walking while black, talking while black, it's just dangerous.
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走路,说话,都是危险的。
10:16
What can we do? We do everything that you told us to do.
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那我们还能怎么办。 我们做每一件事都是按您教我们的做的。
10:21
When stopped by the police,
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当警察让我停车时,
10:23
we place both hands on the steering wheel at the 12 o'clock position.
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我把两只手都放在方向盘12点钟的位置。
10:27
If asked to get identification,
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如果要查身份证,
10:29
we tell them, 'I am slowly reaching over into the glove compartment to get my I.D.'
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我会说,‘我会慢慢把手伸到 手套箱里取我的身份证。’
10:35
When pulled out of the car to be searched,
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当我们被叫下车搜身,
10:38
when laid on the ground to be searched,
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当我们被按在地上搜身,
10:40
when our trunks are opened to be searched,
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当我们的行李厢被打开搜查,
10:42
we don't push back, we don't challenge because we know, you've told us,
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我们不反抗,我们配合他们, 因为你告诉过我们,
10:46
'Don't you challenge the police.
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‘不要跟警察对着干。
10:49
After it's over, call us and we'll be the ones to challenge."
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完事之后,给我打电话, 我会去找警察谈。’
10:52
He said, "And this is the piece that really bugs me:
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他说,“有件事最让我不爽:
10:55
Our white friends, our buddies, we kind of hang together.
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我们的白人朋友,我的哥们, 我们经常在一块玩。
10:58
When they hear about these kinds of things happening to us, they say,
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当他们听说这样的事时,他们说,
11:02
'Why do you take it?
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“你怎么能忍?
11:04
You need to push back. You need to challenge.
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你应该反抗,应该斗争,
11:07
You need to ask them for their identification.'"
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应该让他们出示证件。”
11:10
And here's what the boys have been taught to tell them:
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我是这样教我的孩子们回应的:
11:12
"We know that you can do that, but please do not do that
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“我知道你们可以这么做, 但是当我们也在车上时,
11:15
while we're in the car
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请不要这么做,
11:18
because the consequences for you are significantly different
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因为这对你们可能没什么, 但对我们而言,
11:21
than the consequences for us."
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后果会非常严重。”
11:23
And so as a grandparent, what do I tell my grandsons?
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作为一个祖父,我还能如何教我的孩子们?
11:27
How do I keep them safe? How do I keep them alive?
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我如何保护他们的安全? 如何让他们远离危险?
11:30
As a result of this, people have come to me and said,
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后来有人问我,
11:33
"Jim, are you angry?"
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“吉姆,你生气吗?”
11:37
And my response to that is this:
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我的回应是:
11:40
"I don't have the luxury of being angry,
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“生气对我而言是一种奢侈,
11:46
and I also know the consequences of being enraged."
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我也了解愤怒会带来什么后果。”
11:51
So therefore, the only thing that I can do
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所以,我唯一能做的事情,
11:53
is take my collective intellect and my energy and my ideas and my experiences
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就是发挥我的全部智慧, 将我的精力、想法、经历,
11:59
and dedicate myself to challenge, at any point in time,
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全部用于反对种族歧视行为, 无论何时何地,
12:03
anything that looks like it might be racist.
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无论这种行为看起来有多不起眼。
12:06
So the first thing I have to do is to educate,
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所以我要做的第一件事是教育孩子,
12:09
the second thing I have to do is to unveil racism,
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第二件事是揭露种族歧视(现象),
12:12
and the last thing I need to do is do everything within my power
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第三件事是在我有生之年,我会竭尽全力,
12:15
to eradicate racism in my lifetime by any means necessary.
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采取一切手段消除种族歧视。
12:22
The second thing I do is this:
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关于第二件事我打算这么做:
12:25
I want to appeal to Americans.
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我想呼吁美国人民,
12:28
I want to appeal to their humanity, to their dignity,
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呼吁他们的人性,他们的自尊,
12:33
to their civic pride and ownership
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呼吁他们作为公民和国家所有者的尊严。
12:37
to be able to not react to these heinous crimes in an adverse manner.
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不要用错误的方式 来回应那些十恶不赦的罪行。
12:45
But instead, to elevate your level of societal knowledge,
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而是要提高你们的社会知识水平,
12:52
your level of societal awareness and societal consciousness
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和社会意识水平,
12:56
to then collectively come together, all of us come together,
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然后大家团结起来,齐心协力。
13:00
to make sure that we speak out against and we challenge any kind of insanity,
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让我们一起声讨和反对那些疯狂的行为,
13:07
any kind of insanity that makes it okay to kill unarmed people,
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那些肆意践踏无辜生命的疯狂行为,
13:14
regardless of their ethnicity,
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无论受害者是哪个民族,
13:17
regardless of their race,
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哪个种族,
13:19
regardless of their diversity makeup.
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什么血统。
13:21
We have to challenge that. It doesn't make any sense.
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我们要反对这样的暴行, (因为)它荒谬至极。
13:25
The only way I think we can do that is through a collective.
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唯一可行的方法就是我们团结一致。
13:29
We need to have black and white and Asian and Hispanic
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我们要联合黑人和白人, 亚洲人和拉美人,
13:32
just to step forward and say,
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勇敢地上前一步,大声宣告,
13:34
"We are not going to accept that kind of behavior anymore."
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“我们不会容忍这样的行为再次发生了!”
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