Printing a human kidney | Anthony Atala

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翻译人员: Xiaoqiao Xie 校对人员: Zhang XinYue
00:15
There's actually a major health crisis today
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现今社会主要的健康危机,
00:18
in terms of the shortage of organs.
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就是器官短缺。
00:20
The fact is that we're living longer.
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我们越活越长了。
00:22
Medicine has done a much better job
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是医药学的进步
00:24
of making us live longer,
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帮助我们越活越长。
00:26
and the problem is, as we age,
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问题是,我们越老,
00:28
our organs tend to fail more,
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我们的器官越爱失灵。
00:31
and so currently
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现今社会,
00:33
there are not enough organs to go around.
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没有足够的器官来替补。
00:35
In fact, in the last 10 years,
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事实上,过去十年间,
00:37
the number of patients requiring an organ has doubled,
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需要器官移植的人加了一倍,
00:40
while in the same time,
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但同时
00:42
the actual number of transplants has barely gone up.
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器官移植手术并没有增多。
00:45
So this is now a public health crisis.
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所以说这现在是个全社会的健康危机。
00:47
So that's where this field comes in
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这就是我们这个领域的研究要解决的问题,
00:49
that we call the field of regenerative medicine.
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我们管它叫再生医学。
00:51
It really involves many different areas.
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再生医学包括很多研究领域,
00:53
You can use, actually, scaffolds,
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你可以使用,事实上,模子,
00:55
biomaterials --
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加上生物材料——
00:57
they're like the piece of your blouse or your shirt --
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好像是从你的衬衫上取下一片——
00:59
but specific materials you can actually implant in patients
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但是它们是为了放入人体而特殊制作的。
01:02
and they will do well and help you regenerate.
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这些生物材料很安全,还能帮助你自身的组织再生。
01:05
Or we can use cells alone,
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或者我们也可以仅仅使用细胞,
01:08
either your very own cells
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或是你自己的细胞,
01:10
or different stem cell populations.
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或是他人的干细胞。
01:12
Or we can use both.
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或者同时使用两种技术,
01:14
We can use, actually, biomaterials
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事实上,我们可以移植生物材料
01:16
and the cells together.
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同时一起移植细胞。
01:18
And that's where the field is today.
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这就是当今再生医学的研究水平。
01:21
But it's actually not a new field.
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这并不是个新兴科学,
01:23
Interestingly, this is a book
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有趣的是,有本书
01:25
that was published back in 1938.
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在1938年就出版了,
01:28
It's titled "The Culture of Organs."
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名字叫“器官培养”。
01:30
The first author, Alexis Carrel, a Nobel Prize winner.
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书的第一作者,艾利克斯 卡如,是个诺贝尔奖得主。
01:33
He actually devised some of the same technologies
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他发明了一些相同技术,
01:35
used today for suturing blood vessels,
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今天我们缝合血管的时候还在沿用。
01:37
and some of the blood vessel grafts we use today
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我们今天用的一些血管移植片
01:40
were actually designed by Alexis.
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其实是艾利克斯设计的。
01:43
But I want you to note his co-author:
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请大家注意书的另一个作者:
01:46
Charles Lindbergh.
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查尔斯 林德伯格。
01:48
That's the same Charles Lindbergh
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就是这个查尔斯 林德伯格,
01:51
who actually spent the rest of his life
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投入了毕生精力,
01:53
working with Alexis
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与艾利克斯一起工作
01:55
at the Rockefeller Institute in New York
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在纽约的洛克菲勒研究院,
01:57
in the area of the culture of organs.
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研究器官培养。
01:59
So if the field's been around for so long,
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所以再生医学其实已经有很长的历史了。
02:01
why so few clinical advances?
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那么,为什么在临床上没有什么突破呢?
02:03
And that really has to do to many different challenges.
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这是因为(在临床上)有很多不同的难关。
02:06
But if I were to point to three challenges,
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我认为前三位的挑战,
02:08
the first one is actually the design of materials
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第一就数材料学,
02:10
that could go in your body
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设计什么样的生物材料,能置入人体
02:12
and do well over time.
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不引起任何问题。
02:14
And many advances now,
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我们已经有了很多突破,
02:16
we can do that fairly readily.
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在这方面我们进步神速。
02:18
The second challenge was cells.
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第二个大挑战,就是活细胞。
02:20
We could not get enough of your cells to grow outside of your body.
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我们没法得到在体外培养足够数量的细胞。
02:23
Over the last 20 years, we've basically tackled that.
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过去的二十年间,我们就卡在这里。
02:26
Many scientists can now grow many different types of cells.
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如今很多科学家已经能在体外养活很多种的细胞——
02:28
Plus we have stem cells.
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加上我们还有干细胞。
02:30
But even now, 2011,
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但即便是这一刻,2011年,
02:33
there's still certain cells that we just can't grow from the patient.
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有些类型的细胞我们就是没有办法在体外养活。
02:37
Liver cells, nerve cells, pancreatic cells --
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比如肝脏细胞,神经细胞,胰腺细胞——
02:40
we still can't grow them even today.
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即使是今天我们还是在体外养不活。
02:43
And the third challenge is vascularity,
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第三个挑战是建立血管网,
02:45
the actual supply of blood
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有了血液的供给
02:48
to allow those organs or tissues to survive
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我们再造的器官或者组织
02:51
once we regenerate them.
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才能存活。
02:53
So we can actually use biomaterials now.
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这里我们就要用到生物材料。
02:55
This is actually a biomaterial.
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这就是一种生物材料。
02:57
We can weave them, knit them, or we can make them like you see here.
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我们或编或织,或者像是做棉花糖一样
03:00
This is actually like a cotton candy machine.
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像你们现在看到的,做出生物材料。
03:03
You saw the spray going in.
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你能看到有喷雾,
03:05
That was like the fibers of the cotton candy
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就像是棉花糖的糖线,
03:07
creating this structure, this tubularized structure,
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做出这个框架,很多的管状结构。
03:09
which is a biomaterial
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这是我们用的
03:11
that we can then use
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生物材料,
03:13
to help your body regenerate
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来帮助你身体器官
03:15
using your very own cells to do so.
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用你自己的细胞再生。
03:18
And that's exactly what we did here.
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这是我们做的一个案例。
03:20
This is actually a patient
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这是个真的病人,
03:22
who [was] presented with a deceased organ,
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他有个报废的器官,
03:24
and we then created one of these smart biomaterials,
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我们做了一个挺光鲜的生物材料
03:27
and then we then used that smart biomaterial
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用它来
03:29
to replace and repair
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替换下旧的器官,
03:32
that patient's structure.
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修复好这个病人的器官结构。
03:34
What we did was we actually
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具体来说我们
03:36
used the biomaterial as a bridge
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用这个生物材料搭了个桥,
03:38
so that the cells in the organ
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这样这个器官里的细胞
03:40
could walk on that bridge, if you will,
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就能够在桥上生长,
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and help to bridge the gap
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补上缺口,
03:44
to regenerate that tissue.
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这样组织就再生了。
03:46
And you see that patient now six months after
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你能看到这个病人的X光片,手术后六个月,
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with an X-ray showing you the regenerated tissue,
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组织的再生,
03:51
which is fully regenerated
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当你在显微镜下分析时,
03:53
when you analyze it under the microscope.
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能看到这是百分之百的再生。
03:56
We can also use cells alone.
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我们也可以单用细胞移植。
03:58
These are actually cells that we obtained.
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这些是我们得到的真的细胞,
04:01
These are stem cells that we create from specific sources,
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它们都是我们从各种渠道得到的干细胞。
04:04
and we can drive them to become heart cells,
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我们可以使它们长成心脏细胞,
04:06
and they start beating in culture.
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它们在培养皿中就能开始搏动,
04:08
So they know what to do.
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这说明它们知道该干什么,
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The cells genetically know what to do,
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它们靠基因中的信息知道该怎么工作。
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and they start beating together.
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它们还能同步搏动。
04:14
Now today, many clinical trials
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现今许多的临床试验
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are using different kinds of stem cells
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都在用各种各样的干细胞
04:18
for heart disease.
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来治疗心脏病。
04:20
So that's actually now in patients.
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它们已经在病人身上起作用了。
04:23
Or if we're going to use larger structures
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如果我们想一直更大号的人造组织
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to replace larger structures,
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来替换大块的身体组织,
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we can then use the patient's own cells,
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我们可以使用病人自己的细胞,
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or some cell population,
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或者细胞群,
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and the biomaterials,
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加上生物材料,
04:33
the scaffolds, together.
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模子,全要用到。
04:35
So the concept here:
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基本上,
04:37
so if you do have a deceased or injured organ,
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如果你的某个器官死亡了,或者损坏了,
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we take a very small piece of that tissue,
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我们可以在这个器官上取下一小块,
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less than half the size of a postage stamp.
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小到半个邮票的大小。
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We then tease the cells apart,
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然后我们把细胞摇下来,
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we grow the cells outside the body.
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在体外培养。
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We then take a scaffold, a biomaterial --
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之后我们将用生物材料做一个模子,
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again, looks very much like a piece of your blouse or your shirt --
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这片材料就像从你的衬衫上取下的一片,
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we then shape that material,
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我们可以给它塑型,
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and we then use those cells to coat that material
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再把培养的细胞涂上去,
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one layer at a time --
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一层层地涂——
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very much like baking a layer cake, if you will.
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就像是烤层层叠叠的蛋糕一样。
05:06
We then place it in an oven-like device,
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当我们把这块“蛋糕”放进“烤箱”,
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and we're able to create that structure
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就能使这个组织重生,
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and bring it out.
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把它取出来用。
05:12
This is actually a heart valve
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这里是我们作出的
05:14
that we've engineered,
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真的心脏瓣膜。
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and you can see here, we have the structure of the heart valve
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你能看到我们先有了瓣膜的框架,
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and we've seeded that with cells,
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再把细胞种上去,
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and then we exercise it.
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然后让它锻炼锻炼。
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So you see the leaflets opening and closing --
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我们可以看到这个瓣膜上
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of this heart valve
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尖瓣小叶开开合合——
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that's currently being used experimentally
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这现在还在试验阶段,
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to try to get it to further studies.
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我们希望能更深入的研究。
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Another technology
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另一个我们用在
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that we have used in patients
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病人身上的技术是
05:39
actually involves bladders.
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关于膀胱移植的。
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We actually take a very small piece of the bladder from the patient --
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我们能从病人的膀胱上取下一小块来——
05:44
less than half the size of a postage stamp.
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比半块邮票还小,
05:47
We then grow the cells outside the body,
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然后进行体外细胞培养,
05:49
take the scaffold, coat the scaffold with the cells --
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在拿个模子,涂上细胞——
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the patient's own cells, two different cell types.
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病人自己的两种细胞,
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We then put it in this oven-like device.
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然后把模子放进“烤箱”,
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It has the same conditions as the human body --
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它有和体内同样的环境——
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37 degrees centigrade, 95 percent oxygen.
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三十五摄氏度,百分之九十五氧气,
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A few weeks later, you have your engineered organ
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几星期后,就有人造器官了,
06:05
that we're able to implant back into the patient.
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我们能把它们移植回到病人身上。
06:08
For these specific patients, we actually just suture these materials.
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有些特殊的病人,我们只需要把这些材料缝上去就成了。
06:11
We use three-dimensional imagining analysis,
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我们可以用三维图像系统描图,
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but we actually created these biomaterials by hand.
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然后用手工制作。
06:18
But we now have better ways
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现在我们有更好的方法
06:20
to create these structures with the cells.
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来用细胞作出器官。
06:22
We use now some type of technologies,
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我们现在用几种技术
06:26
where for solid organs, for example,
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来做块状的器官,比如
06:28
like the liver,
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肝脏。
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what we do is we take discard livers.
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我们的作法是拿个遗弃的肝脏,
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As you know, a lot of organs are actually discarded, not used.
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要知道,很多器官都被丢弃不用了。
06:36
So we can take these liver structures,
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我们把别人不要的
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which are not going to be used,
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肝脏拿来,
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and we then put them in a washing machine-like structure
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把它们放在类似洗衣机的机器里,
06:44
that will allow the cells to be washed away.
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把细胞都洗下来。
06:46
Two weeks later,
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两周后
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you have something that looks like a liver.
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你得到一个像是肝脏的东西
06:50
You can hold it like a liver,
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你可以把它托在手上,
06:52
but it has no cells; it's just a skeleton of the liver.
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但是这个肝脏没有任何细胞,这只是个肝脏的架子。
06:55
And we then can re-perfuse the liver with cells,
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我们之后从血管
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preserving the blood vessel tree.
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把细胞灌进这个肝脏里。
07:01
So we actually perfuse first the blood vessel tree
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所以我们其实是先把病人的血管细胞
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with the patient's own blood vessel cells,
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从血管里灌进去,
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and we then infiltrate the parenchyma with the liver cells.
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然后把用病人的肝脏细胞渗透进去。
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And we now have been able just to show
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上个月,
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the creation of human liver tissue
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我们才用这个技术
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just this past month
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得以成功地
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using this technology.
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造出了人类的肝脏。
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Another technology that we've used
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另一个技术是我们以前用过的,
07:21
is actually that of printing.
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就是打印器官的技术。
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This is actually a desktop inkjet printer,
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这是办公室用的打印机
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but instead of using ink,
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只是我们不用墨粉
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we're using cells.
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我们用的是活细胞。
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And you can actually see here the printhead
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你可以看到打印头
07:32
going through and printing this structure,
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左右移动,打印出一块组织,
07:34
and it takes about 40 minutes to print this structure.
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一般这样的组织要花四十分钟来打印。
07:36
And there's a 3D elevator
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另外(这个组织坐在)一个三维升降机(上),
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that then actually goes down one layer at a time
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打印时,每次打印头走到头,
07:40
each time the printhead goes through.
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它会(带着这块组织)下降一层。
07:42
And then finally you're able to get that structure out.
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最后你就能得到整个组织了。
07:45
You can pop that structure out of the printer and implant it.
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你能把组织取下来,然后移植入病人体内。
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And this is actually a piece of bone
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这张幻灯片显示的
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that I'm going to show you in this slide
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是我们用办公室打印机
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that was actually created with this desktop printer
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打印出的一片真的骨头,
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and implanted as you see here.
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然后移植入人体的。
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That was all new bone that was implanted
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这里的骨头都是
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using these techniques.
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用这个技术移植的。
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Another more advanced technology we're looking at right now,
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our next generation of technologies,
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新一代的技术,
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are more sophisticated printers.
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要使用更为复杂的打印机。
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This particular printer we're designing now
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这个我们正在设计中的特殊的打印机
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is actually one where we print right on the patient.
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能够在病人身上实时打印。
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So what you see here --
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你看吧——
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I know it sounds funny,
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我知道听起来挺傻的,
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but that's the way it works.
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但它就是这样运作的。
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Because in reality, what you want to do
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因为现实中你希望做的,
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is you actually want to have the patient on the bed with the wound,
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是希望在病人受伤躺上病床上时,
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and you have a scanner,
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能有一个扫描机
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basically like a flatbed scanner.
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就像是个正常的平面扫描机
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That's what you see here on the right side.
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你能看到在这里右边;
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You see a scanner technology
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扫描机能先
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that first scans the wound on the patient
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扫描病人的伤口,
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and then it comes back with the printheads
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在把信息传到打印头上,
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actually printing the layers that you require
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打印头就在伤口上
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on the patients themselves.
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实时打印。
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This is how it actually works.
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这里展示了这个系统是怎么工作的。
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Here's the scanner going through,
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这里是扫描机
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scanning the wound.
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来回扫描伤口。
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Once it's scanned,
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扫描完了,
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it sends information in the correct layers of cells
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它就会把哪里需要
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where they need to be.
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新的细胞层的信息送出去。
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And now you're going to see here
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现在你将要看到的
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a demo of this actually being done
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是一个录像,显示了
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in a representative wound.
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这个打印机是如何在一个伤口上打印的。
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And we actually do this with a gel so that you can lift the gel material.
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我们其实在打印机里加了胶质,这样你就能把打印的组织提起来,
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So once those cells are on the patient
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当你把组织移植到病人身体里去时,
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they will stick where they need to be.
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它们也能成功地粘在正确的地方。
09:15
And this is actually new technology
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这确实是个新技术,
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still under development.
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我们还在研发中。
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We're also working on more sophisticated printers.
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我们还在研制更为复杂的打印机,
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Because in reality, our biggest challenge
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因为事实上我们最大的挑战
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are the solid organs.
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是块状组织。
09:27
I don't know if you realize this,
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我不知道你注意到了没有,
09:29
but 90 percent of the patients on the transplant list
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百分之九十的等待器官移植的病人
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are actually waiting for a kidney.
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都是在等肾脏。
09:36
Patients are dying every day
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病人天天去世,
09:38
because we don't have enough of those organs to go around.
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都是因为我们没有足够的器官。
09:41
So this is more challenging --
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所以这正是更大的挑战——
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large organ, vascular,
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大型器官,布满血管的,
09:45
a lot of blood vessel supply,
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需要很多的血液供应,
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a lot of cells present.
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需要很多细胞。
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So the strategy here is --
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所以这里的策略是——
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this is actually a CT scan, an X-ray --
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这是个真正的CT扫描,一个X光片——
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and we go layer by layer,
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我们可以层层解析,
09:55
using computerized morphometric imaging analysis
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使用电脑化的图像和形态分析
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and 3D reconstruction
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以及三维重组的技术,
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to get right down to those patient's own kidneys.
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来观察这些病人自己的肾脏。
10:02
We then are able to actually image those,
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我们能够观察这些肾脏,
10:05
do 360 degree rotation
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三百六十度旋转,
10:07
to analyze the kidney
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这样就能全方位地
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in its full volumetric characteristics,
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研究整个肾脏。
10:13
and we then are able
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之后我们就能
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to actually take this information
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应用这些信息,
10:17
and then scan this
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扫描
10:19
in a printing computerized form.
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变成打印出的层层电子图。
10:21
So we go layer by layer through the organ,
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这样我们就能层层深入
10:24
analyzing each layer as we go through the organ,
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解析这个器官的每一层,
10:27
and we then are able to send that information, as you see here,
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之后我们就能把信息送出去,像你这里看到的,
10:31
through the computer
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送到计算机里去
10:33
and actually design the organ
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然后为病人
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for the patient.
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设计出新的器官
10:37
This actually shows the actual printer.
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这里是一家真的打印机。
10:40
And this actually shows that printing.
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它也在真的打印。
10:42
In fact, we actually have the printer right here.
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事实上,我们在现场就有一个。
10:46
So while we've been talking today,
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在我们今天演讲的过程中,
10:49
you can actually see the printer
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你们能看到这架打印机
10:52
back here in the back stage.
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就在后台。
10:55
That's actually the actual printer right now,
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这就是我们用的打印机,
10:57
and that's been printing this kidney structure
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它一直在打印这个肾脏,
10:59
that you see here.
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你们能看到。
11:01
It takes about seven hours to print a kidney,
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一般打印一个肾脏要七个小时,
11:03
so this is about three hours into it now.
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这个已经打印了三个小时了。
11:06
And Dr. Kang's going to walk onstage right now,
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康医生将到前台来,
11:09
and we're actually going to show you one of these kidneys
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我们将给你看一个我们
11:12
that we printed a little bit earlier today.
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今天早些时候打印的肾脏。
11:18
Put a pair of gloves here.
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让我戴上手套。
11:26
Thank you.
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谢谢你。
11:28
Go backwards.
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到后面来一点
11:36
So, these gloves are a little bit small on me, but here it is.
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这些手套有点小,好了
11:39
You can actually see that kidney
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你现在能看到这个肾脏
11:41
as it was printed earlier today.
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我们今天早些时候打印的。
11:43
(Applause)
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(掌声)
11:59
Has a little bit of consistency to it.
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还有一点粘。
12:03
This is Dr. Kang who's been working with us on this project,
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这是康医生,他和我们一起为这个项目工作
12:06
and part of our team.
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是我们队伍的一份子。
12:08
Thank you, Dr. Kang. I appreciate it.
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谢谢你康医生,我很感谢。
12:11
(Applause)
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(掌声)
12:16
So this is actually a new generation.
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这就是新一代的打印机,
12:18
This is actually the printer that you see here onstage.
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这个我们在台上看到的。
12:20
And this is actually a new technology we're working on now.
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这是我们正在研究的新技术。
12:24
In reality, we now have a long history of doing this.
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其实我们已经做这个技术很长时间了,
12:28
I'm going to share with you a clip
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我想和你们分享一个小片段,
12:30
in terms of technology we have had in patients now for a while.
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关于我们用在病人身上已有一段时间的技术。
12:33
And this is actually a very brief clip --
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这是个很短的片段——
12:35
only about 30 seconds --
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只有三十秒——
12:37
of a patient who actually received an organ.
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是一个作了器官移植的病人,
12:40
(Video) Luke Massella: I was really sick. I could barely get out of bed.
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(录像)路克 马萨拉:“我曾经病得很重,都不能下床。
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I was missing school. It was pretty much miserable.
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我没法上学,生活很惨淡。
12:45
I couldn't go out
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我不能出门,
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and play basketball at recess
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课间不能打篮球,
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without feeling like I was going to pass out
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因为每每一回教室
12:51
when I got back inside.
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我就感觉要昏倒。
12:53
I felt so sick.
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我觉得特别痛苦。
12:56
I was facing basically a lifetime of dialysis,
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我面临的是基本上终生的透析,
12:59
and I don't even like to think about what my life would be like
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简直不能想象
13:01
if I was on that.
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生活会是什么样子。
13:03
So after the surgery,
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手术之后,
13:05
life got a lot better for me.
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生活对我变得容易多了。
13:07
I was able to do more things.
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我能做的事情多了很多。
13:09
I was able to wrestle in high school.
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我能在学校里玩摔跤,
13:11
I became the captain of the team, and that was great.
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我成了摔跤队长,感觉真棒。
13:14
I was able to be a normal kid with my friends.
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我能够像个正常人一样有朋友,
13:17
And because they used my own cells to build this bladder,
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全是因为医生用了我自身的细胞,给我做了个膀胱。
13:20
it's going to be with me.
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我的新膀胱将伴随着我。
13:22
I've got it for life, so I'm all set.
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伴我一生。我别无它求了。”
13:25
(Applause)
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(掌声)
14:03
Juan Enriquez: These experiments sometimes work,
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胡安 安瑞奎兹:这些试验有时还真灵,
14:05
and it's very cool when they do.
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灵的时候是很酷的。
14:07
Luke, come up please.
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路克,请上台来。
14:14
(Applause)
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(掌声)
14:29
So Luke, before last night,
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路克,直到昨晚
14:31
when's the last time you saw Tony?
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上次你见到安东尼医生是什么时候?
14:33
LM: Ten years ago, when I had my surgery --
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路克:十年前,我做手术的时候——
14:36
and it's really great to see him.
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能见到他真好。
14:38
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
14:40
(Applause)
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(掌声)
14:46
JE: And tell us a little bit about what you're doing.
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胡克:和大家讲讲你现在在做什么。
14:48
LM: Well right now I'm in college at the University of Connecticut.
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路克:我现在在上大学,在康涅狄格州立大学。
14:51
I'm a sophomore and studying communications, TV and mass media,
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我上二年级,学传媒信息,电视和媒体专业。
14:55
and basically trying to live life like a normal kid,
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我试着过正常人的生活,
14:58
which I always wanted growing up.
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这是我梦想的长大后的样子。
15:00
But it was hard to do that when I was born with spina bifida
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当时很难做到,因为我生来就有脊柱裂,
15:02
and my kidneys and bladder weren't working.
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我的肾脏和膀胱都不能正常工作。
15:05
I went through about 16 surgeries,
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我做过十六个外科手术,
15:07
and it seemed impossible to do that
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最后十岁的时候肾脏还是衰竭了,
15:09
when I was in kidney failure when I was 10.
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快要死了。
15:12
And this surgery came along
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这个移植手术降临了,
15:14
and basically made me who I am today
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让我成为了今天的我,
15:16
and saved my life.
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救了我。
15:18
(Applause)
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(掌声)
15:29
JE: And Tony's done hundreds of these?
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胡克:安东尼一定做了上百个这样的手术了吧?
15:32
LM: What I know from, he's working really hard in his lab
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路克:据我所知,他在实验室里辛勤工作,
15:35
and coming up with crazy stuff.
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创造了很多新奇古怪的方案。
15:37
I know I was one of the first 10 people to have this surgery.
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我知道我是前十个接受这项手术的病人,
15:40
And when I was 10, I didn't realize how amazing it was.
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那时候我才十岁,我不知道这有多酷。
15:43
I was a little kid, and I was like,
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我只是个孩子。我当时只是:
15:45
"Yeah. I'll have that. I'll have that surgery."
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“好吧,又一个手术,我做就是了。”
15:47
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
15:49
All I wanted to do was to get better,
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我当时想做的仅仅是活的健康一点,
15:51
and I didn't realize how amazing it really was until now that I'm older
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没有意识到手术的伟大之处,直到我长大了。
15:54
and I see the amazing things that he's doing.
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现在我明白他做的研究有多么伟大。
15:58
JE: When you got this call out of the blue --
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胡克:当你突然间接到我们的电话——
16:01
Tony's really shy,
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安东尼是很害羞的一个人,
16:03
and it took a lot of convincing
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我们很是费了一番唇舌
16:05
to get somebody as modest as Tony
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才得到他这么低调的人的同意,
16:07
to allow us to bring Luke.
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把路克带到现场来。
16:10
So Luke, you go to your communications professors --
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路克,当你去你的传媒学教授说——
16:12
you're majoring in communications --
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传媒学是你的专业——
16:14
and you ask them for permission to come to TED,
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当你征得他们的同意来上TED时,
16:16
which might have a little bit to do with communications,
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这多少和传媒学有点关系,
16:18
and what was their reaction?
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他们有什么反应?
16:21
LM: Most of my professors were all for it,
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路克:我的大部分教授都赞同,
16:23
and they said, "Bring pictures
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他们说:“照照片回来,
16:26
and show me the clips online," and "I'm happy for you."
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给我网上的录像看。”或者是:“真替你高兴。”
16:29
There were a couple that were a little stubborn,
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有几个有点保留,
16:31
but I had to talk to them.
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但是我说服了他们,
16:33
I pulled them aside.
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我都搞定了。
16:36
JE: Well, it's an honor and a privilege to meet you.
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胡克:今天见面真是我的荣幸
16:38
Thank you so much. (LM: Thank you so much.)
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谢谢你。(路克:谢谢你们。)
16:43
JE: Thank you, Tony.
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胡克:谢谢你,安东尼医生。
16:45
(Applause)
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(掌声)
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