Paul Root Wolpe: It's time to question bio-engineering

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Prevodilac: Jelena Nedjic Lektor: Ana Zivanovic-Nenadovic
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Today I want to talk about design,
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Ja danas želim da pričam o dizajnu,
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but not design as we usually think about it.
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ali ne o dizajnu na način kako ga uobičajeno doživljavamo.
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I want to talk about what is happening now
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Želim da pričam o tome šta se danas dešava
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in our scientific, biotechnological culture,
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u našoj naučnoj, biotehnološkoj kulturi,
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where, for really the first time in history,
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kada, zaista po prvi put u istoriji,
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we have the power to design bodies,
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mi imamo tu moć da dizajniramo tela,
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to design animal bodies,
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da dizajniramo tela životinja,
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to design human bodies.
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da dizajniramo tela ljudi.
00:35
In the history of our planet,
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U celokupnoj istoriji naše planete,
00:39
there have been three great waves of evolution.
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postojala su tri velika talasa evolucije.
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The first wave of evolution
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Prvi talas evolucije je ono
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is what we think of as Darwinian evolution.
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što mi smatramo Darvinovom evolucijom.
00:47
So, as you all know,
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Pa, kao što vi svi znate,
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species lived in particular ecological niches
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biološke vrste su živele u određenim ekološkim nišama,
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and particular environments,
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a određena prirodna okruženja
00:53
and the pressures of those environments
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i pritisak tih okruženja je prosto
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selected which changes,
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selektovao koje će promene,
00:57
through random mutation in species,
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koje su nastale kao rezultat slučajnih
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were going to be preserved.
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mutacije kod neke vrste, biti sačuvane.
01:01
Then human beings stepped out
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Tada su ljudska bića istupila
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of the Darwinian flow of evolutionary history
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iz Darvinovog toka evolucijske istorije
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and created the second great wave of evolution,
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i stvorila drugi veliki talas evolucije,
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which was we changed the environment
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gde smo promenili sredinu u kojoj
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in which we evolved.
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mi evoluiramo.
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We altered our ecological niche
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Mi smo promenili našu ekološku nišu
01:19
by creating civilization.
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stvarajući civilizaciju.
01:21
And that has been the second great --
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I taj tok naše evolucije,
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couple 100,000 years, 150,000 years --
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koji traje nekoliko stotina hiljada godina, 150,000 godina,
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flow of our evolution.
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je bio drugi po značajnosti.
01:28
By changing our environment,
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Menjajući našu životnu sredinu
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we put new pressures
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mi smo uspostavili nove pritiske
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on our bodies to evolve.
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na evoluciju naših tela.
01:34
Whether it was through settling down in agricultural communities,
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Bez obzira da li je to bilo usled uspostavljanja poljoprivrednih zajednica,
01:37
all the way through modern medicine,
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pa sve do današnje moderne medicine,
01:40
we have changed our own evolution.
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mi smo promenili našu sopstvenu evoluciju.
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Now we're entering a third great wave
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A sada ulazimo u treći veliki talas
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of evolutionary history,
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u istoriji evolucije,
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which has been called many things:
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koji je poznat po mnogim imenima:
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"intentional evolution,"
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usmerena, namerena evolucija,
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"evolution by design" --
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evolucija po šablonu--
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very different than intelligent design --
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što je mnogo drugačije od inteligentnog dizajna--
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whereby we are actually now
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gde mi sada u principu
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intentionally designing and altering
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namerno dizajniramo i menjamo
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the physiological forms that inhabit our planet.
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fiziološke forme koje nastanjuju našu planetu.
02:06
So I want to take you through a kind of whirlwind tour of that
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Želim sada da vam dočaram pomoću jedne slikovite ture taj proces
02:09
and then at the end talk a little bit
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i potom na kraju mog predavanja bih pričao malo
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about what some of the implications are for us
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o nekim od posledica ili implikacija koje taj proces ima na sve nas
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and for our species, as well as our cultures,
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i na našu vrstu, kao i na našu kulturu,
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because of this change.
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a što je uslovljeno ovim promenama.
02:19
Now we actually have been doing it for a long time.
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Mi to u stvari radimo već jako dugo.
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We started selectively breeding animals
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Mi smo počeli da selektivno ukrštamo životinje
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many, many thousands of years ago.
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mnogo,mnogo hiljada godina u nazad.
02:30
And if you think of dogs for example,
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Ukoliko razmislite o psima na primer,
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dogs are now intentionally-designed creatures.
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psi su namerno kreirana stvorenja.
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There isn't a dog on this earth that's a natural creature.
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Ne postoji ni jedan jedini pas na ovoj planeti koji je prirodno stvorenje.
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Dogs are the result
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Psi su rezulat selektivnog
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of selectively breeding traits that we like.
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ukrštanja osobina koje se nama sviđaju.
02:44
But we had to do it the hard way in the old days
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Ali to smo morali da radimo na teži način u stara vremena
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by choosing offspring that looked a particular way
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birajući potomstvo koje je izgledalo na tačno određen način
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and then breeding them.
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i ukrštajući to potomstvo.
02:51
We don't have to do it that way anymore.
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Danas to više ne moramo da radimo.
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This is a beefalo.
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Ovo je "bizoka".
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A beefalo is a buffalo-cattle hybrid.
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"Bizoka" je hibrid bizona i stoke.
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And they are now making them,
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I danas ih proizvode,
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and someday, perhaps pretty soon,
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i jednog dana, verovatno u skorijoj budućnosti,
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you will have beefalo patties
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imaćete na ponudi bizoka pljeskavice
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in your local supermarket.
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u vašem lokalnom supermarketu.
03:09
This is a geep,
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Ovo je "kovca",
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a goat-sheep hybrid.
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hibrid koze i ovce.
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The scientists that made this cute little creature
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Naučnici koji su napravili ovo malo slatko stvorenje
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ended up slaughtering it and eating it afterwards.
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su ga na kraju zaklali i pojeli.
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I think they said it tasted like chicken.
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Mislim da su rekli da ima ukus piletine.
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This is a cama.
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Ovo je "kama".
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A cama is a camel-llama hybrid,
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Hibrid kamile i lame,
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created to try to get the hardiness of a camel
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napravljena kako bi se došlo do izdržljivosti kamile
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with some of the personality traits
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i nekih određenih osobina
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of a llama.
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lame u jednoj životinji.
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And they are now using these in certain cultures.
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U nekim zajednicama danas i koriste ove životinje.
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Then there's the liger.
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A postoji i "lavgar".
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This is the largest cat in the world --
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Ovo je najveća mačka na svetu.
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the lion-tiger hybrid.
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hibrid lava i tigra.
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It's bigger than a tiger.
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Veći je od tigra.
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And in the case of the liger,
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A što se tiče lavgara,
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there actually have been one or two that have been seen in the wild.
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važno je to što su neki primerci već viđeni u divljini.
03:54
But these were created by scientists
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Ali njih su stvorili naučnici
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using both selective breeding and genetic technology.
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koristeći i selektivno ukrštanje i genetičku tehnologiju.
04:00
And then finally, everybody's favorite,
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I na kraju, omiljeni primer svih ljudi,
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the zorse.
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"zebronj".
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None of this is Photoshopped. These are real creatures.
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Ove slike nisu obrađene u fotošopu,ovo su živa stvorenja.
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And so one of the things we've been doing
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Tako da je to jedna od stvari koju smo radili,
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is using genetic enhancement,
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koristeći unapređivanje genetikom,
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or genetic manipulation,
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ili genetičku manipulaciju,
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of normal selective breeding
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normalno selektivno ukrštanje
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pushed a little bit through genetics.
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pomalo potpomognuto genetikom.
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And if that were all this was about,
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I ukoliko bi to bilo sve što smo uradili,
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then it would be an interesting thing.
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bio bi to možda i interesantan fenomen.
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But something much, much more powerful
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Ali danas se dešava i nešto što ima
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is happening now.
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mnogo, mnogo veći uticaj.
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These are normal mammalian cells
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Ovo su normalne ćelije sisara
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genetically engineered with a bioluminescent gene
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ali im je genetičkim inženjeringom ubačen gen bioluminiscencije
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taken out of deep-sea jellyfish.
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koji je izolovan iz meduza.
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We all know that some deep-sea creatures glow.
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Svi mi znamo da neka stvorenja koja žive u velikim dubinama svetle.
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Well, they've now taken that gene, that bioluminescent gene,
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Pa, oni su sada izolovali taj gen, gen bioluminiscencije,
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and put it into mammal cells.
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i stavili ga u sisarske ćelije.
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These are normal cells.
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Ovo su normalne ćelije.
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And what you see here
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A ono što vidite ovde
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is these cells glowing in the dark
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su te ćelije koje svetle u mraku
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under certain wavelengths of light.
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pod svetlošću određene talasne dužine.
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Once they could do that with cells, they could do it with organisms.
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Jednom kada su uspeli da urade to sa ćelijama, mogli su to da urade i sa živim organizmima.
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So they did it with mouse pups,
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Tako da su to uradili sa bebama miševa,
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kittens.
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mačićima.
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And by the way, the reason the kittens here are orange and these are green
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I uzgred budi rečeno, mačići su narandžasti, a ovi su zeleni
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is because that's a bioluminescent gene from coral,
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jer je ovaj gen biolomuniscencije izolovan iz korala,
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while this is from jellyfish.
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dok je ovaj izolovan iz meduze.
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They did it with pigs.
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Uradili su to sa svinjama,
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They did it with puppies.
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uradili su to sa kučićima,
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And, in fact,
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i činjenica je da su
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they did it with monkeys.
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uradili to i sa majmunima.
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And if you can do it with monkeys --
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I ukoliko možete to da uradite sa majmunima
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though the great leap in trying to genetically manipulate
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iako postoji velika razlika u pokušaju da genetički manipulišete
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is actually between monkeys and apes --
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majmune i šimpanze--
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if they can do it in monkeys,
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ukoliko mogu to da urade sa majmunima,
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they can probably figure out how to do it in apes,
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verovatno mogu i da savladaju problem manipulacije šimpanzi,
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which means they can do it in human beings.
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što znači da oni to mogu da urade i sa ljudima.
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In other words, it is theoretically possible
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Drugim rečima, teoretski je moguće
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that before too long we will be biotechnologically capable
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da ćemo u bliskoj budućnosti biti u biotehnološkoj mogućnosti
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of creating human beings
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da kreiramo ljudska bića
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that glow in the dark.
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koja bi sijala u mraku.
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Be easier to find us at night.
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Bilo bi lakše da nas tako pronađu u mraku.
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And in fact, right now in many states,
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Činjenica je, da baš sada u mnogim državama,
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you can go out and you can buy bioluminescent pets.
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vi možete da odete i kupite bioluminiscentne kućne ljubimce.
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These are zebra fish. They're normally black and silver.
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Ovo su ribe-zebre. One su prirodno crne i srebrne boje.
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These are zebra fish that have been genetically engineered
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Ovo su ribe-zebre izmenjene genetičkim inžinjerstvom kako bi bile
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to be yellow, green, red,
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žute, zelene, crvene,
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and they are actually available now in certain states.
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i sada su dostupne u radnjama u nekim državama SAD-a.
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Other states have banned them.
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U nekim državama je zabranjena njihova prodaja.
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Nobody knows what to do with these kinds of creatures.
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Niko ne zna šta da radi sa ovim tipom stvorenja.
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There is no area of the government -- not the EPA or the FDA --
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Ne postoji nijedna vladina administracija, ni za zaštitu prirode, ni za hranu i lekove,
06:21
that controls genetically-engineered pets.
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koja kontroliše genetički modifikovane kućne ljubimce.
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And so some states have decided to allow them,
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Tako da su neke od država odlučile da ih odobre,
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some states have decided to ban them.
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a druge su odlučile da ih zabrane.
06:32
Some of you may have read
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Neki od vas su možda već pročitali
06:34
about the FDA's consideration right now
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nešto o trenutnom razmatranju Agencije za hranu i lekove SAD-a
06:36
of genetically-engineered salmon.
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o genetički modifikovanom lososu.
06:39
The salmon on top
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Losos na vrhu je
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is a genetically engineered Chinook salmon,
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genetički modifikovan "Chinook" losos,
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using a gene from these salmon
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dobijen korišćenjem jednog gena iz lososa,
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and from one other fish that we eat,
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i gena iz druge ribe koju jedemo
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to make it grow much faster
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ne bi li rastao mnogo brže
06:49
using a lot less feed.
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koristeći mnogo manje hrane.
06:51
And right now the FDA is trying to make a final decision
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I upravo u ovom trenutku Agencija za hranu i lekove donosi krajnju odluku o tome
06:54
on whether, pretty soon, you could be eating this fish --
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da li ćete, u skorijoj budućnosti, biti u mogućnosti da jedete ovu ribu--
06:57
it'll be sold in the stores.
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biće prodavana u prodavnicama.
06:59
And before you get too worried about it,
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A, pre nego što se zabrinete oko toga,
07:01
here in the United States,
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ovde u Sjedinjenim Američkim Državama,
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the majority of food you buy in the supermarket
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većina hrane koju kupujete u supermarketima
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already has genetically-modified components to it.
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već sadrži genetički modifikovane sastojke.
07:09
So even as we worry about it,
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Tako da čak dok mi brinemo o tome,
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we have allowed it to go on in this country -- much different in Europe --
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mi smo već dozvolili slobodni ulaz na tržište u ovoj zemlji -- u Evropi je to drugačije --
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without any regulation,
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bez ikakvih regulacija, pravila,
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and even without any identification on the package.
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pa čak i bez ikakvih oznaka na pakovanjima hrane.
07:20
These are all the first cloned animals
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Ovo su prve klonirane životinje
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of their type.
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predstavnici svoje vrste.
07:25
So in the lower right here,
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U donjem desnom uglu vidite
07:27
you have Dolly, the first cloned sheep --
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Doli, prvu kloniranu ovcu--
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now happily stuffed in a museum in Edinburgh;
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sada srećno prepariranu u muzeju u Edinburgu
07:32
Ralph the rat, the first cloned rat;
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Ralf-pacov, prvi klonirani pacov;
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CC the cat, for cloned cat;
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CC-mačka, prva klonirana mačka,
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Snuppy, the first cloned dog --
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Snupi, prvi klonirani pas
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Snuppy for Seoul National University puppy --
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Snupi- kuče iz Nacionalnog Univerziteta u Seulu--
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created in South Korea
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koje je stvoreno u Južnoj Koreji,
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by the very same man that some of you may remember
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a stvorio ga je isti čovek, kojeg se možda neki od vas sećaju,
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had to end up resigning in disgrace
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koji je usled velike sramote dao ostavku,
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because he claimed he had cloned a human embryo, which he had not.
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jer je tvrdio da je klonirao ljudski embrion, a to nije uradio.
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He actually was the first person
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On je u stvari prva osoba koja je uspela
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to clone a dog, which is a very difficult thing to do,
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da klonira psa, a to je veoma teško učiniti,
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because dog genomes are very plastic.
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jer je genom psa veoma plastičan.
08:01
This is Prometea, the first cloned horse.
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Ovo je Prometeja, prvi klonirani konj.
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It's a Haflinger horse cloned in Italy,
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to je Halfinger konj koji je kloniran u Italiji,
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a real "gold ring" of cloning,
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a to je pravi zlatni pehar u kloniranju,
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because there are many horses that win important races
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jer su mnogi konji koji pobeđuju na značajnim trkama
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who are geldings.
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uštrojeni.
08:13
In other words, the equipment to put them out to stud
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Drugim rečima, njihovo oruđe za razmnožavanje
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has been removed.
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je uklonjeno.
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But if you can clone that horse,
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Ali ukoliko klonirate tog konja,
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you can have both the advantage of having a gelding run in the race
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imate tu prednost da imate uštrojenog konja u trci
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and his identical genetic duplicate
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a njegov identični genetički duplikat
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can then be put out to stud.
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može da se koristi za ukrštanje.
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These were the first cloned calves,
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Ovo su prva klonirana telad,
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the first cloned grey wolves,
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prvi klonirani sivi vukovi.
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and then, finally,
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I na kraju
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the first cloned piglets:
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prvi klonirani prasići:
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Alexis, Chista, Carrel, Janie and Dotcom.
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Aleksis, Krista,Karel, Dženi i Dotcom.
08:41
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
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In addition, we've started to use cloning technology
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Pored toga, počeli smo sa upotrebom tehnologije kloniranja
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to try to save endangered species.
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u cilju spašavanja ugroženih vrsta.
08:51
This is the use of animals now
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Ovo ovde predstavlja upotrebu životinja
08:53
to create drugs and other things in their bodies
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za proizvodnju lekova i drugih supstanci u njihovim telima
08:56
that we want to create.
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koje mi želimo da kreiramo.
08:58
So with antithrombin in that goat --
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Ovo je koza koja proizovdi anti-trombin--
09:00
that goat has been genetically modified
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koza je genetički modifikovana na takav način
09:02
so that the molecules of its milk
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da su sastavni deo njenog mleka
09:05
actually include the molecule of antithrombin
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u principu i molekuli anti-trombina
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that GTC Genetics wants to create.
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koje kompanija "GTC Genetika" želi da proizvede.
09:11
And then in addition, transgenic pigs, knockout pigs,
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Pored toga postoje transgene svinje, svinje bez određenih gena,
09:14
from the National Institute of Animal Science in South Korea,
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na Nacionalnom institutu za istraživanje životinja u Južnoj Koreji,
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are pigs that they are going to use, in fact,
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a to su svinje koje će oni u principu koristiti
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to try to create all kinds of drugs
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za proizvodnju različitih vrsta lekova
09:25
and other industrial types of chemicals
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i drugih vrsta industrijskih hemikalija
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that they want the blood and the milk
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za čiju proizvodnju oni žele da krv i mleko
09:31
of these animals
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ovih životinja
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to produce for them,
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umesto načina
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instead of producing them in an industrial way.
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klasične industrijske proizvodnje.
09:39
These are two creatures
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Ovo su dva stvorenja
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that were created
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koje smo stvorili
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in order to save endangered species.
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ne bismo li spasili ugrožene vrste.
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The guar
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Guar
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is an endangered Southeast Asian ungulate.
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je ugrožena vrsta kopitara u Jugoistočnoj Aziji.
09:52
A somatic cell, a body cell,
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Somatska ćelija, ćelija iz tela,
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was taken from its body,
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je izolovana iz njegovog tela,
09:56
gestated in the ovum of a cow,
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a period gestacije je odvijen u jajnoj ćeliji krave,
09:58
and then that cow gave birth to a guar.
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a potom je krava donela ne svet malog guara.
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Same thing happened with the mouflon,
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Ista stvar se desila i sa muflonom,
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where it's an endangered species of sheep.
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to je ugrožena vrsta ovce.
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It was gestated in a regular sheep body,
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Proces gestacije se odvijao u telu druge vrste ovce,
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which actually raises an interesting biological problem.
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a to dovodi do interesantnog problema u biologiji.
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We have two kinds of DNA in our bodies.
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Mi imamo dva tipa DNK u našem telu.
10:18
We have our nucleic DNA
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Imamo nukleinsku DNK
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that everybody thinks of as our DNA,
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na koju svi pomislimo kada pomenemo DNK,
10:22
but we also have DNA in our mitochondria,
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ali isto tako imamo i DNK koja se nalazi u mitohondrijama,
10:24
which are the energy packets of the cell.
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a to su energetske mašine naših ćelija.
10:27
That DNA is passed down through our mothers.
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Ta DNK se prenosi na potomstvo preko majke.
10:30
So really, what you end up having here
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Tako da ono što vidimo ovde
10:33
is not a guar and not a mouflon,
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nije ni guar i nije muflon,
10:35
but a guar
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već guar
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with cow mitochondria,
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koji nosi mithondrije krave,
10:39
and therefore cow mitochondrial DNA,
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i usled toga ima mitohondrijalnu DNK krave,
10:41
and a mouflon with another species of sheep's
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i muflon sa mitohondrijalnom DNK
10:44
mitochondrial DNA.
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druge vrste ovce.
10:46
These are really hybrids, not pure animals.
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Tako da su ovo pravi hibridi, a ne čistokrvne životinje.
10:49
And it raises the question of how we're going to define animal species
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Tako da se postavlja pitanje kako ćemo definisati životinjske vrste
10:52
in the age of biotechnology --
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u eri biotehnologije--
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a question that we're not really sure yet
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a to je problem koji zaista ne znamo
10:57
how to solve.
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kako da rešimo.
10:59
This lovely creature
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Ovo preslatko stvorenje
11:01
is an Asian cockroach.
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je azijska buba-švaba.
11:04
And what they've done here
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Ono što su naučnici ovde uradili
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is they've put electrodes in its ganglia and its brain
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oni su stavili elekrode u ganglije i mozak životinje
11:10
and then a transmitter on top,
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a potom postavili odašiljač na vrh svega toga,
11:12
and it's on a big computer tracking ball.
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a to je postavljeno na velikoj elektronskoj lopti koja to prati.
11:14
And now, using a joystick,
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I sada, koristeći upravljač,
11:16
they can send this creature
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mogu da kontrolišu kretanje ovog stvorenja
11:18
around the lab
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po čitavoj laboratoriji
11:20
and control whether it goes left or right,
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i tako kontrolišu da li ide levo ili desno,
11:22
forwards or backwards.
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napred ili nazad.
11:24
They've created a kind of insect bot,
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Stvorili su neku vrstu insekt-robota,
11:26
or bugbot.
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ili bube robota.
11:28
It gets worse than that -- or perhaps better than that.
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Ali postaje još gore od toga--ili možda još bolje.
11:31
This actually is one of DARPA's very important --
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Ovo je jedan od DARPA-inih veoma značajnih--
11:34
DARPA is the Defense Research Agency --
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DARPA je Agencija za istraživanje odbrane--
11:36
one of their projects.
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njihovih projekata.
11:38
These goliath beetles
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Ove bube golijati
11:40
are wired in their wings.
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imaju uspostavljene provodnike u svojim krilima.
11:42
They have a computer chip strapped to their backs,
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Takođe imaju računarske čipove privezane na leđima,
11:44
and they can fly these creatures around the lab.
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i oni mogu da upravljaju letenjem ovih stvorenja po laboratoriji.
11:48
They can make them go left, right. They can make them take off.
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Mogu da kontrolišu njihovo kretanje u levo, u desno. Mogu da kontrolišu njihovo poletanje.
11:50
They can't actually make them land.
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Ali ne mogu da reše problem sletanja.
11:52
They put them about one inch above the ground,
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Oni ih postave na 2.5 cm iznad nivoa zemlje,
11:54
and then they shut everything off and they go pfft.
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i onda isključe sistem i insekti samo padnu.
11:56
But it's the closest they can get to a landing.
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To je najbliže sletanju što su smislili do sada.
12:00
And in fact, this technology has gotten so developed
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Činjenica je da je ovaj tip tehnologije toliko napredovao
12:03
that this creature --
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da ovo stvorenje--
12:05
this is a moth --
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ovo je moljac.
12:07
this is the moth in its pupa stage,
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Ovo je moljac u stadijumu lutke,
12:09
and that's when they put the wires in
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i oni tada postavljaju provodnike u njegov organizam
12:11
and they put in the computer technology,
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i postavljaju računarsku tehnologiju.
12:14
so that when the moth actually emerges as a moth,
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Tako da kada se moljac razvije u moljca
12:17
it is already prewired.
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on je već pod komandom.
12:20
The wires are already in its body,
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Provodnici su već u njegovom telu,
12:23
and they can just hook it up to their technology,
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tako da oni samo treba da povežu svoju tehnologiju,
12:26
and now they've got these bugbots
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i jednostavno dobiju buba-robote
12:28
that they can send out for surveillance.
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koje mogu da pošalju u osmatranje.
12:30
They can put little cameras on them
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Mogu da postave male kamere na njih
12:32
and perhaps someday deliver
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i možda će jednog dana isporučivati
12:34
other kinds of ordinance
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druge tipove borbenih tehnika
12:36
to warzones.
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u zonama rata.
12:39
It's not just insects.
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Ali ne radi se to samo na insektima.
12:41
This is the ratbot, or the robo-rat
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Ovo je pacobot, ili pacov-robot, kojeg je kreirao
12:43
by Sanjiv Talwar at SUNY Downstate.
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Sandživ Talvar sa "SUNY Downstate" Univerziteta.
12:46
Again, it's got technology --
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Ponovo, govorimo o tehnologiji postavljenja
12:48
it's got electrodes going into its left and right hemispheres;
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elektroda u levu i desnu hemisferu mozga
12:51
it's got a camera on top of its head.
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i pacov ima kameru na vrhu svoje glave.
12:54
The scientists can make this creature
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Naučnici mogu kontrolisati ovo biće
12:56
go left, right.
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da ide levo, desno.
12:58
They have it running through mazes, controlling where it's going.
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Mogu da upravljaju njime da kreće kroz lavirint, kontorlišući gde se kreće.
13:01
They've now created an organic robot.
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Oni sada prave organski robot.
13:05
The graduate students
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Student postdiplomac
13:07
in Sanjiv Talwar's lab
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u laboratoriji Sandživa Talvara
13:09
said, "Is this ethical?
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se zapitao, "Da li je to etički?
13:11
We've taken away the autonomy of this animal."
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Oduzeli smo autonomiju ovoj životinji."
13:14
I'll get back to that in a minute.
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Vratiću se ovom problemu uskoro.
13:16
There's also been work done with monkeys.
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Takođe dosta eksperimenata je urađeno i na majmunima.
13:19
This is Miguel Nicolelis of Duke.
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Ovo je Migel Nikolelis sa Djuk Univerziteta.
13:22
He took owl monkeys,
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On radi sa majmun-sovama,
13:24
wired them up
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i on uspostavi provodnike u njih
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so that a computer watched their brains while they moved,
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tako da računar posmatra njihove mozgove dok se kreću,
13:28
especially looking at the movement of their right arm.
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a naročito obraćajući pažnju na pokrete njihove desne ruke.
13:30
The computer learned what the monkey brain did
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Računar je potom naučio šta je to što mozak
13:32
to move its arm in various ways.
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majmuna radi kako bi pomerao ruku na različite načine.
13:34
They then hooked it up to a prosthetic arm,
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A potom su prikačili veštačku ruku,
13:37
which you see here in the picture,
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koju možete videti na ovoj slici,
13:39
put the arm in another room.
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i stavili tu ruku u drugu sobu.
13:41
Pretty soon, the computer learned, by reading the monkey's brainwaves,
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Ubrzo je računar naučio čitajući moždane talase mozga majmuna
13:44
to make that arm in the other room
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da kontroliše ruku u drugoj sobi tako da ona čini
13:46
do whatever the monkey's arm did.
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sve što radi i ruka majmuna.
13:49
Then he put a video monitor
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A onda je postavio monitor
13:51
in the monkey's cage
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u kavez majmuna
13:53
that showed the monkey this prosthetic arm,
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koji je majmunu pokazivao ovu veštačku ruku,
13:55
and the monkey got fascinated.
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a to je fasciniralo majmuna.
13:57
The monkey recognized that whatever she did with her arm,
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Majmunica je shvatila da šta god ona uradila sa svojom rukom,
13:59
this prosthetic arm would do.
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veštačka ruka učini isto.
14:01
And eventually she was moving it and moving it,
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Tako da je majmunica pokretala i pokretala ruku,
14:04
and eventually stopped moving her right arm
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a potom je prestala da pomera svoju desnu ruku
14:06
and, staring at the screen,
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i samo zureći u ekran je mogla
14:08
could move the prosthetic arm in the other room
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da pokrene veštačku ruku u drugoj sobi
14:11
only with her brainwaves --
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koristeći samo svoje moždane talase--
14:13
which means that monkey
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a to znači da je ovaj majmun
14:15
became the first primate in the history of the world
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prvi primat u istoriju našeg sveta
14:18
to have three independent functional arms.
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koji ima tri nezavisne funkcionalne ruke.
14:22
And it's not just technology
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Ali nije to samo tehnologija koju
14:24
that we're putting into animals.
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implantiramo u životinje.
14:26
This is Thomas DeMarse at the University of Florida.
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Ovo je Tomas DeMars koji radi na Univerzitetu u Floridi.
14:29
He took 20,000 and then 60,000
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On je uzeo 20,000 a potom 60,000
14:31
disaggregated rat neurons --
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izolovanih neurona pacova--
14:34
so these are just individual neurons from rats --
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tako da su ovo samo indvidualni neuroni pacova--
14:37
put them on a chip.
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i postavio ih je na čip.
14:39
They self-aggregated into a network,
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Neuroni su se sami po sebi organizovali u mrežu,
14:42
became an integrated chip.
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postali integrisani čip.
14:45
And he used that
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On je to iskoristio
14:47
as the IT piece
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kao deo opreme informacione tehnologije
14:49
of a mechanism which ran a flight simulator.
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mehanizma koji funkcioniše kao simulator letenja.
14:52
So now we have organic computer chips
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Tako da mi sada imamo organske računarske čipove
14:55
made out of living, self-aggregating neurons.
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koji su napravljeni od živih neurona sa sposobnošću samo-agregacije.
15:00
Finally, Mussa-Ivaldi of Northwestern
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I na kraju, Musa-Ivaldi sa Univerziteta Nortvestern
15:03
took a completely intact,
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je izolovao potpuno neoštećeni
15:05
independent lamprey eel brain.
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nezavisan mozak zmijuljice jegulje.
15:08
This is a brain from a lamprey eel.
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Ovo je mozak zmijuljice jegulje.
15:10
It is living --
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Mozak je živ,
15:12
fully-intact brain in a nutrient medium
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potpuno neoštećeni mozak u hranljivom medijumu
15:15
with these electrodes going off to the sides,
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sa ovim elektrodama postavljenim sa svih strana
15:18
attached photosensitive sensors to the brain,
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i senzorima osetljivim na svetlost koji su pridodati mozgu,
15:21
put it into a cart --
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postavio je sve to u kutiju--
15:23
here's the cart, the brain is sitting there in the middle --
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ovo je kutija, mozak je baš ovde negde u sredini---
15:26
and using this brain as the sole processor for this cart,
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i koristeći mozak kao jedini procesor ove kutije,
15:29
when you turn on a light and shine it at the cart,
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kada uključite svetlo i usmerite ga na kutiju,
15:31
the cart moves toward the light;
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kutija se kreće ka svetlosti;
15:33
when you turn it off, it moves away.
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kada isključite svetlosti, pomera se od izvora.
15:35
It's photophilic.
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Privlači je svetlost.
15:37
So now we have a complete
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Ovo ovde je kompletno funkcionalan
15:40
living lamprey eel brain.
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i živ mozak zmijuljice jegulje.
15:42
Is it thinking lamprey eel thoughts,
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Da li razmišlja kao zmijuljica,
15:44
sitting there in its nutrient medium?
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dok sedi u tom hranljivom medijumu?
15:46
I don't know,
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Ne znam,
15:48
but in fact it is a fully living brain
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ali to jeste potpuno funkcionalan mozak
15:52
that we have managed to keep alive
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koji smo uspeli da održimo u životu
15:55
to do our bidding.
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da uradi ono što želimo.
15:58
So, we are now at the stage
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Tako da smo mi danas na stupnju
16:01
where we are creating creatures
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gde možemo da dizajniramo druga stvorenja
16:03
for our own purposes.
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za naše sopstvene potrebe.
16:05
This is a mouse created by Charles Vacanti
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Ovaj miš je delo Čarlsa Vakantija
16:08
of the University of Massachusetts.
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koji radi na Univerzitetu Masačusets.
16:11
He altered this mouse
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On je izmenio ovog miša tako što je
16:14
so that it was genetically engineered
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genetički modifikovao njegovu kožu
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to have skin that was less immunoreactive to human skin,
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kako bi se inhibirala imunološka reakcija na ljudsku kožu,
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put a polymer scaffolding of an ear under it
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a onda postavio osnovu za uvo od polimera ispod kože
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and created an ear that could then be taken off the mouse
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i napravio uvo koje se potom može izolovati sa miša
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and transplanted onto a human being.
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i transplantirati na čoveka.
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Genetic engineering
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Genetički inženjering
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coupled with polymer physiotechnology
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u sintezi sa fiziotehnologijom polimera
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coupled with xenotransplantation.
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i ksenotransplantacijom.
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This is where we are in this process.
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Ovde se mi nalazimo u tom procesu.
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Finally, not that long ago,
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Na kraju, ne tako davno,
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Craig Venter created the first artificial cell,
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Kreg Venter je stvorio prvu veštačku ćeliju,
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where he took a cell, took a DNA synthesizer,
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on je uzeo ćeliju i spravu za sintezu DNK,
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which is a machine,
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a to je mašina,
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created an artificial genome,
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stvorio je veštački genom,
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put it in a different cell --
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implantirao to u drugu ćeliju--
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the genome was not of the cell he put it in --
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a genom nije bio genom ćelije u koju je isti stavio--
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and that cell then reproduced
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i ta ćelija se potom razmnožavala
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as the other cell.
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kao druga ćelija.
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In other words,
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Drugim rečima,
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that was the first creature in the history of the world
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to je bilo prvo stvorenje u istoriji sveta
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that had a computer as its parent --
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čiji je roditelj računar--
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it did not have an organic parent.
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a ne živi roditelj.
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And so, asks The Economist:
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Tako da "Ekonomist" pita:
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"The first artificial organism and its consequences."
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"Prvi veštački organizam i posledice toga."
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So you may have thought
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Možda ste mislili
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that the creation of life
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da će se stvaranje života desiti
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was going to happen in something that looked like that.
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na mestu koje izgleda nekako ovako.
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(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
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But in fact, that's not what Frankenstein's lab looks like.
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Činjenica je da laboratorija Frankenštajna ne izgleda ovako.
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This is what Frankenstein's lab looks like.
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Ovako izgleda laboratorija Frankenštajna.
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This is a DNA synthesizer,
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Ovo je mašina za proizvodnju DNK,
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and here at the bottom
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a ovde na dnu
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are just bottles of A, T, C and G --
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su flašice sa A, T, C i G--
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the four chemicals
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četiri hemikalije
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that make up our DNA chain.
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koje su dovoljne za sintezu DNK lanca.
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And so, we need to ask ourselves some questions.
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Tako da je neophodno da postavimo sebi neka pitanja.
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For the first time in the history of this planet,
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Po prvi put u istoriji naše planete,
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we are able to directly design organisms.
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mi smo u mogućnosti da direktno kreiramo žive organizme.
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We can manipulate the plasmas of life
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Možemo manipuliasti esenciju života
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with unprecedented power,
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moćima koje do sada nisu postojale.
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and it confers on us a responsibility.
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A to nam nameće odgovornost.
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Is everything okay?
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Da li je sve to u redu?
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Is it okay to manipulate and create
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Da li je u redu da mi manipulišemo i dizajniramo
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whatever creatures we want?
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bilo koje stvorenje koje želimo?
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Do we have free reign
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Da li mi imamo tu slobodu
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to design animals?
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da kreiramo životinje?
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Do we get to go someday to Pets 'R' Us
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Da li je zaista u redu da jednog dana dođemo u prodavnicu kućnih ljubimaca
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and say, "Look, I want a dog.
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i kažemo, "Slušaj, želim jednog psa.
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I'd like it to have the head of a Dachshund,
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Ja bih voleo da ima glavu jazavičara,
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the body of a retriever,
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telo retrivera,
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maybe some pink fur,
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možda roze boju dlake,
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and let's make it glow in the dark"?
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i želim da svetli u mraku."
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Does industry get to create creatures
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Da li je industriji dozvoljeno da stvara životinje
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who, in their milk, in their blood, and in their saliva
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koje će u mleku, krvi, pljuvačci
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and other bodily fluids,
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i drugim telesnim tečnostima
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create the drugs and industrial molecules we want
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proizvoditi lekove i druge industrijske supstance koje želimo
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and then warehouse them
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i da ih potom skladište
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as organic manufacturing machines?
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kao mašine za organsku proizvodnju?
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Do we get to create organic robots,
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Da li nam je zaista dozvoljeno da proizvodimo organske robote
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where we remove the autonomy from these animals
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pri čemu oduzimamo autonomnost ovim životinjama
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and turn them just into our playthings?
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i pretvaramo ih u naše igračke?
18:42
And then the final step of this,
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A završni korak u svemu ovome je taj,
18:45
once we perfect these technologies in animals
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da kada jednom dovedemo do savršenosti te tehnologije na životinjama
18:47
and we start using them in human beings,
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i počnemo da ih koristimo i na ljudskim bićima
18:49
what are the ethical guidelines
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koji su to etički principi
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that we will use then?
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kojima ćemo se tada upravljati?
18:54
It's already happening. It's not science fiction.
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To se već dešava, to nije naučna fantastika.
18:57
We are not only already using these things in animals,
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Mi ne samo da već upotrebljavamo ove izume na životinjama,
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some of them we're already beginning to use
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neke od tih izuma mi već počinjemo da koristimo
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on our own bodies.
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i na našim telima.
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We are now taking control of our own evolution.
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Mi sada preuzimamo kontrolu nad našom sopstvenom evolucijom.
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We are directly designing
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Mi neposredno kreiramo budućnost
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the future of the species of this planet.
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vrsta na našoj planeti.
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It confers upon us an enormous responsibility
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A to nam nameće nesagledivu odgovornost
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that is not just the responsibility
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koja nije samo odgovornost
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of the scientists and the ethicists
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naučnika i etičara
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who are thinking about it and writing about it now.
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koji razmišljaju i pišu o tome.
19:22
It is the responsibility of everybody
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Ova odgovornost leži na svima nama
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because it will determine what kind of planet and what kind of bodies
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obzirom da će to odrediti kakvu ćemo planetu
19:28
we will have in the future.
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i kakva tela imati u budućnosti.
19:30
Thanks.
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Hvala vam.
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(Applause)
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(Aplauz)
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