How the blockchain will radically transform the economy | Bettina Warburg

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Prevodilac: Ivana Krivokuća Lektor: Tijana Mihajlović
Ekonomisti stotinama godina istražuju ljudsko ponašanje:
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Economists have been exploring people's behavior for hundreds of years:
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how we make decisions,
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kako donosimo odluke,
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how we act individually and in groups,
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kako postupamo kao pojedinci i u grupama,
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how we exchange value.
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kako razmenjujemo vrednosti.
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They've studied the institutions that facilitate our trade,
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Oni izučavaju institucije koje olakšavaju našu trgovinu,
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like legal systems,
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kao što su pravni sistemi,
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corporations,
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korporacije,
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marketplaces.
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tržišta.
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But there is a new, technological institution
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Međutim, postoji nova tehnološka institucija
koja će iz temelja promeniti način na koji razmenjujemo vrednosti,
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that will fundamentally change how we exchange value,
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a zove se blokčejn.
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and it's called the blockchain.
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To je poprilično hrabra izjava,
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Now, that's a pretty bold statement,
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but if you take nothing else away from this talk,
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ali ako ništa drugo ne zapamtite iz ovog govora,
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I actually want you to remember
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želela bih da zapamtite da,
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that while blockchain technology is relatively new,
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iako je tehnologija blokčejna relativno nova,
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it's also a continuation of a very human story,
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ona takođe predstavlja nastavak jedne vrlo ljudske priče,
a priča je sledeća.
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and the story is this.
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Kao ljudska bića, pronalazimo načine
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As humans, we find ways
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da umanjimo nesigurnost između sebe
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to lower uncertainty about one another
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01:08
so that we can exchange value.
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tako da možemo da razmenjujemo vrednosti.
Jedna od prvih osoba koja je zaista istražila ideju
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Now, one of the first people to really explore the idea
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of institutions as a tool in economics
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o institucijama kao ekonomskim sredstvima
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to lower our uncertainties about one another
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koje bi smanjile nesigurnost koja vlada između nas
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and be able to do trade
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da bismo mogli da trgujemo
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was the Nobel economist Douglass North.
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bio je ekonomista i nobelovac Daglas Nort.
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He passed away at the end of 2015,
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On je preminuo krajem 2015. godine,
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but North pioneered what's called "new institutional economics."
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ali je razvio nešto što se zove „nova institucionalna ekonomija“.
A ono što je podrazumevao pod institucijama
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And what he meant by institutions were really just formal rules
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bila su samo formalna pravila kao što je ustav,
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like a constitution,
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and informal constraints, like bribery.
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i neformalna ograničenja, poput davanja mita.
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These institutions are really the grease
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Ove institucije su zapravo mazivo
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that allow our economic wheels to function,
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koje omogućava funkcionisanje točkovima naše ekonomije,
a možemo videti kako se to odigrava kroz tok ljudske istorije.
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and we can see this play out over the course of human history.
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Ako se prisetimo vremena kada smo bili ekonomije lovaca-skupljača,
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If we think back to when we were hunter-gatherer economies,
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we really just traded within our village structure.
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zapravo smo trgovali samo unutar strukture svog sela.
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We had some informal constraints in place,
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Imali smo nekolicinu neformalnih ograničenja,
ali smo celokupnu trgovinu sprovodili pomoću nasilja
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but we enforced all of our trade with violence
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02:07
or social repercussions.
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ili društvenih posledica.
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As our societies grew more complex
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Kako su naše zajednice postajale sve složenije,
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and our trade routes grew more distant,
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a trgovački putevi udaljeniji,
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we built up more formal institutions,
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izgradili smo još formalnih institucija
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institutions like banks for currency,
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poput banaka zbog valuta,
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governments, corporations.
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vlada, korporacija.
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These institutions helped us manage our trade
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Ove institucije su nam pomogle da upravljamo trgovinom
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as the uncertainty and the complexity grew,
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dok su nesigurnost i složenost rasli,
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and our personal control was much lower.
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a naša lična kontrola opadala.
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Eventually with the internet, we put these same institutions online.
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Vremenom smo uz pomoć interneta iste ove institucije postavili onlajn.
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We built platform marketplaces like Amazon, eBay, Alibaba,
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Izgradili smo tržišta na internetu poput Amazona, Ibeja i Alibabe,
koje su samo brže institucije koje deluju kao posrednici
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just faster institutions that act as middlemen
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to facilitate human economic activity.
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u olakšavanju ekonomske aktivnosti ljudi.
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As Douglass North saw it,
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Kako je Daglas Nort to video,
institucije su sredstva koja smanjuju nesigurnost
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institutions are a tool to lower uncertainty
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so that we can connect and exchange all kinds of value in society.
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da bismo mogli da se povežemo i razmenjujemo razne vrednosti u društvu.
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And I believe we are now entering
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Verujem da zalazimo
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a further and radical evolution
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u još dalju i radikalniju evoluciju
načina na koji stupamo u interakciju i trgujemo,
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of how we interact and trade,
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because for the first time, we can lower uncertainty
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jer po prvi put možemo umanjiti nesigurnost
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not just with political and economic institutions,
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ne samo pomoću političkih i ekonomskih institucija
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like our banks, our corporations, our governments,
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poput banaka, korporacija ili vlada,
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but we can do it with technology alone.
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već isključivo tehnologijom.
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So what is the blockchain?
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Dakle, šta je to blokčejn?
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Blockchain technology is a decentralized database
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Tehnologija blokčejna je decentralizovana baza podataka
u kojoj se čuva registar dobara i transakcija
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that stores a registry of assets and transactions
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across a peer-to-peer network.
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preko P2P mreže.
U suštini predstavlja javni registar
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It's basically a public registry
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of who owns what and who transacts what.
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toga ko šta poseduje i ko vrši transakciju čega.
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The transactions are secured through cryptography,
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Transakcije su osigurane putem kriptografije
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and over time, that transaction history gets locked in blocks of data
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i vremenom se ta istorija transakcija zaključava u blokove podataka
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that are then cryptographically linked together and secured.
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koji su onda kriptografski povezani i obezbeđeni.
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This creates an immutable, unforgeable record
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Ovo stvara postojani zapis svih transakcija na ovoj mreži
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of all of the transactions across this network.
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koji se ne može krivotvoriti.
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This record is replicated on every computer that uses the network.
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Zapis se kopira na svaki kompjuter koji koristi mrežu.
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It's not an app.
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Ovo nije aplikacija.
Nije kompanija.
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It's not a company.
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Mislim da bi ga najbliže opisalo nešto poput Vikipedije.
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I think it's closest in description to something like Wikipedia.
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04:19
We can see everything on Wikipedia.
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Na Vikipediji se sve može videti.
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It's a composite view that's constantly changing and being updated.
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To je složen pregled koji se stalno menja i ažurira.
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We can also track those changes over time on Wikipedia,
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Na Vikipediji možemo i pratiti te promene tokom vremena,
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and we can create our own wikis,
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a možemo praviti i sopstvene stranice,
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because at their core, they're just a data infrastructure.
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jer su one u suštini samo infrastruktura podataka.
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On Wikipedia, it's an open platform that stores words and images
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Vikipedija je otvorena platforma koja skladišti reči i slike,
kao i promene tih podataka u vremenu.
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and the changes to that data over time.
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04:47
On the blockchain,
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Što se tiče blokčejna,
možete ga zamisliti kao otvorenu infrastrukturu
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you can think of it as an open infrastructure
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that stores many kinds of assets.
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koja skladišti mnogo različitih vrsta dobara.
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It stores the history of custodianship,
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Skladišti istoriju nadležnosti,
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ownership and location
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vlasništva i lokacija
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for assets like the digital currency Bitcoin,
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dobara poput digitalne valute bitkoin,
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other digital assets
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drugih digitalnih dobara
kao što je pravo vlasništva na protokol interneta.
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like a title of ownership of IP.
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It could be a certificate, a contract,
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To može biti uverenje, ugovor,
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real world objects,
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stvarni objekti,
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even personal identifiable information.
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pa čak i lične informacije koje se mogu identifikovati.
Naravno, postoje i drugi tehnički detalji vezani za blokčejn,
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There are of course other technical details to the blockchain,
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but at its core, that's how it works.
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ali u suštini, tako on funkcioniše.
To je javni registar koji skladišti transakcije u mreži
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It's this public registry that stores transactions in a network
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and is replicated so that it's very secure and hard to tamper with.
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i koji se kopira, tako da je vrlo bezbedan i teško ga je nepropisno koristiti.
To me navodi na moju poentu
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Which brings me to my point
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05:37
of how blockchains lower uncertainty
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o tome kako blokčejn smanjuje nesigurnost
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and how they therefore promise to transform our economic systems
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i kako zbog toga obećava da će promeniti naš ekonomski sistem
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in radical ways.
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na drastične načine.
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So uncertainty is kind of a big term
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Dakle, nesigurnost je donekle velik pojam
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in economics,
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u ekonomiji,
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but I want to go through three forms of it
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ali ja želim da prođem kroz njena tri oblika
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that we face in almost all of our everyday transactions,
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sa kojima se susrećemo u skoro svim svakodnevnim transakcijama,
a gde blokčejnovi mogu da imaju ulogu.
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where blockchains can play a role.
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05:59
We face uncertainties like not knowing who we're dealing with,
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Susrećemo se sa nesigurnostima kada ne znamo s kim imamo posla,
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not having visibility into a transaction
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kada nemamo uvid u transakciju
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and not having recourse if things go wrong.
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i kada nemamo pravo na regres ukoliko nešto pođe po zlu.
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So let's take the first example, not knowing who we're dealing with.
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Razmotrimo prvi primer kada ne znamo s kim imamo posla.
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Say I want to buy a used smartphone on eBay.
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Recimo da želim da kupim polovan pametni telefon na Ibeju.
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The first thing I'm going to do is look up who I'm buying from.
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Prva stvar koju ću da uradim je da istražim od koga kupujem.
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Are they a power user?
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Da li je iskusan korisnik?
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Do they have great reviews and ratings, or do they have no profile at all?
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Da li ima dobre komentare i ocene ili uopšte nema profil?
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Reviews, ratings, checkmarks:
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Komentari, ocene, znakovi odobravanja -
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these are the attestations about our identities
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to su potvrde o našim identitetima
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that we cobble together today
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koje sakupljamo danas
i koristimo da bismo umanjili nesigurnost u pogledu toga sa kim poslujemo.
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and use to lower uncertainty about who we're dealing with.
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06:41
But the problem is they're very fragmented.
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Međutim, problem je što su veoma fragmentovane.
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Think about how many profiles you have.
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Pomislite samo koliko profila imate.
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Blockchains allow for us to create an open, global platform
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Blokčejnovi nam omogućavaju da stvorimo otvorenu, globalnu platformu
na kojoj možemo čuvati potvrde o bilo kom pojedincu
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on which to store any attestation about any individual
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06:58
from any source.
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iz bilo kog izvora.
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This allows us to create a user-controlled
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Ovo nam omogućava da stvorimo
prenosivi identitet koji kontrolišu korisnici.
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portable identity.
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07:07
More than a profile,
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U pitanju je više od profila;
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it means you can selectively reveal
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to znači da možete selektivno razotkriti
različite svoje atribute
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the different attributes about you
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da biste olakšali trgovinu ili interakciju,
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that help facilitate trade or interaction,
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07:18
for instance that a government issued you an ID,
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na primer, da vam je vlast izdala ličnu kartu,
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or that you're over 21,
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ili da imate više od 21 godine,
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by revealing the cryptographic proof
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otkrivanjem kriptografskog dokaza
da ti detalji postoje i da su zvanično potvrđeni.
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that these details exist and are signed off on.
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07:30
Having this kind of portable identity
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Posedovanje ovakvog prenosivog identiteta
u okviru fizičkog i digitalnog sveta
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around the physical world and the digital world
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znači da možemo da vršimo najrazličitije razmene
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means we can do all kinds of human trade
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07:39
in a totally new way.
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na potpuno nov način.
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So I've talked about how blockchains could lower uncertainty
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Dakle, govorila sam o tome kako blokčejn može umanjiti neizvesnost
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in who we're dealing with.
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u pogledu toga sa kim imamo posla.
Druga nesigurnost sa kojom se često suočavamo
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The second uncertainty that we often face
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07:49
is just not having transparency into our interactions.
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je neraspolaganje jasnim uvidom u naše interakcije.
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Say you're going to send me that smartphone by mail.
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Recimo da ćete mi poslati taj telefon poštom.
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I want some degree of transparency.
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Ja želim da imam neki stepen uvida.
Želim da znam da je proizvod koji sam kupila isti taj koji stiže poštom
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I want to know that the product I bought is the same one that arrives in the mail
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08:02
and that there's some record for how it got to me.
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i da postoji neki zapis o tome kako je došao do mene.
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This is true not just for electronics like smartphones,
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To važi ne samo za elektroniku kao što su telefoni,
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but for many kinds of goods and data,
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već za razne vrste robe i podataka,
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things like medicine, luxury goods,
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stvari kao što su lekovi, luksuzna roba,
bilo kakve podatke ili proizvode za koje ne želimo da budu falsifikovani.
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any kind of data or product that we don't want tampered with.
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08:18
The problem in many companies,
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Problem u mnogim kompanijama,
naročito u onima koje proizvode nešto tako složeno kao pametni telefon,
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especially those that produce something complicated like a smartphone,
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08:24
is they're managing all of these different vendors
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je da vrše nadzor nad svim tim različitim dobavljačima
u okviru horizontalnog lanca snabdevanja.
08:27
across a horizontal supply chain.
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08:30
All of these people that go into making a product,
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Svi ti ljudi koji učestvuju u pravljenju proizvoda
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they don't have the same database.
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nemaju istu bazu podataka.
08:34
They don't use the same infrastructure,
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Ne koriste istu infrastrukturu,
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and so it becomes really hard to see transparently a product evolve over time.
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tako da postaje zaista teško jasno videti kako se proizvod vremenom razvija.
08:43
Using the blockchain, we can create
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Korišćenjem blokčejna,
možemo stvoriti zajedničku stvarnost za nepoverljiva lica.
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a shared reality across nontrusting entities.
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08:50
By this I mean
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Pod tim podrazumevam
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all of these nodes in the network do not need to know each other
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da se sve te tačke u mreži ne moraju međusobno poznavati
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or trust each other,
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niti verovati jedne drugoj,
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because they each have the ability
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jer svaka ima mogućnost
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to monitor and validate the chain for themselves.
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da sama nadgleda i utvrđuje validnost lanca.
Ponovo se setite Vikipedije.
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Think back to Wikipedia.
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09:04
It's a shared database,
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To je baza podataka koja se deli,
i iako ima više čitalaca
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and even though it has multiple readers
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09:09
and multiple writers at the same time,
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i više pisaca u isto vreme,
09:11
it has one single truth.
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ima samo jednu istinu.
09:14
So we can create that using blockchains.
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To možemo stvoriti korišćenjem blokčejnova.
09:16
We can create a decentralized database that has the same efficiency of a monopoly
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Možemo napraviti decentralizovanu bazu podataka
koja ima istu efikasnost monopola, a da ne stvara centralni autoritet.
09:22
without actually creating that central authority.
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09:26
So all of these vendors, all sorts of companies,
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Tako svi ti dobavljači, razne vrste kompanija,
09:28
can interact using the same database without trusting one another.
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mogu stupati u interakciju koristeći istu bazu
i bez poverenja jedni u druge.
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It means for consumers, we can have a lot more transparency.
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To za potrošače znači da možemo imati mnogo više transparentnosti.
09:37
As a real-world object travels along,
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Dok predmet u stvarnom svetu putuje,
09:39
we can see its digital certificate or token move on the blockchain,
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možemo videti njegov digitalni sertifikat ili token kako se pomera na blokčejnu,
pridodajući mu vrednost dok se kreće.
09:45
adding value as it goes.
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09:48
This is a whole new world in terms of our visibility.
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Ovo je čitav novi svet u pogledu naše vidljivosti.
09:53
So I've talked about how blockchains can lower our uncertainties about identity
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Govorila sam o tome kako blokčejnovi mogu smanjiti našu nesigurnost
u vezi sa identitetom
09:59
and how they change what we mean about transparency
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i kako menjaju ono što podrazumevamo pod transparentnošću
10:02
in long distances and complex trades, like in a supply chain.
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kod razmena koje su složene i na velikoj udaljenosti,
kao u lancu nabavke.
10:07
The last uncertainty that we often face
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Poslednja neizvesnost sa kojom se često suočavamo
10:09
is one of the most open-ended, and it's reneging.
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je jedna od najraširenijih, a to je neispunjavanje dogovora.
10:12
What if you don't send me the smartphone?
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Šta ako mi ne pošaljete telefon?
10:15
Can I get my money back?
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Da li mogu da povratim novac?
10:17
Blockchains allow us to write code,
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Blokčejnovi nam omogućavaju da zabeležimo kod,
10:21
binding contracts,
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obavezujući ugovor,
10:23
between individuals
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između pojedinaca
10:24
and then guarantee that those contracts will bear out
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i zatim garantujemo da će ti ugovori biti ispunjeni
10:28
without a third party enforcer.
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bez primene sile trećeg lica.
10:31
So if we look at the smartphone example, you could think about escrow.
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Ako pogledamo primer sa telefonom, mogli biste pomisliti na uslovni ugovor.
10:35
You are financing that phone,
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Vi finansirate taj telefon,
10:37
but you don't need to release the funds
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ali ne morate da date novac
10:40
until you can verify that all the conditions have been met.
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dok ne potvrdite da su ispunjeni svi uslovi -
da ste dobili telefon.
10:43
You got the phone.
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10:46
I think this is one of the most exciting ways
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Mislim da je ovo jedan od najuzbudljivijih načina
10:48
that blockchains lower our uncertainties,
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na koje blokčejn umanjuje našu nesigurnost,
10:51
because it means to some degree
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jer to u izvesnoj meri znači
10:53
we can collapse institutions and their enforcement.
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da možemo srušiti institucije i njihovu primenu.
10:59
It means a lot of human economic activity
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To znači da veliki deo ekonomske aktivnosti ljudi
11:02
can get collateralized and automated,
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može biti kolateralizovan i automatizovan
11:07
and push a lot of human intervention to the edges,
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i da može pogurati do krajnjih granica dosta ljudskih intervencija,
11:10
the places where information moves from the real world to the blockchain.
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na mesta gde se informacije premeštaju iz stvarnog sveta u blokčejn.
11:16
I think what would probably floor Douglass North
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Mislim da bi Daglasa Norta verovatno oborila s nogu,
11:19
about this use of technology
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u vezi sa ovim korišćenjem tehnologije,
11:21
is the fact that the very thing that makes it work,
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činjenica da upravo ono što omogućava da funkcioniše,
11:24
the very thing that keeps the blockchain secure and verified,
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baš ono što blokčejn čini sigurnim i proverenim
11:29
is our mutual distrust.
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jeste naše međusobno nepoverenje.
11:33
So rather than all of our uncertainties
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Umesto da nas sve naše nesigurnosti
11:36
slowing us down
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usporavaju i zahtevaju institucije
11:38
and requiring institutions
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11:40
like banks, our governments, our corporations,
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kao što su banke, vlade i korporacije,
11:45
we can actually harness all of that collective uncertainty
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zapravo možemo iskoristiti svu tu kolektivnu nesigurnost
11:49
and use it to collaborate and exchange more and faster and more open.
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i upotrebiti je da sarađujemo i razmenjujemo više, brže i otvorenije.
11:56
Now, I don't want you to get the impression
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Ne bih da steknete utisak
11:58
that the blockchain is the solution to everything,
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da je blokčejn rešenje za sve,
12:01
even though the media has said that it's going to end world poverty,
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mada su mediji rekli da će okončati siromaštvo u svetu,
12:07
it's also going to solve the counterfeit drug problem
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da će takođe rešiti problem falsifikovanja lekova,
12:10
and potentially save the rainforest.
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a moguće i spasiti prašume.
12:14
The truth is, this technology is in its infancy,
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Istina je da je ova tehnologija u svom začetku
12:18
and we're going to need to see a lot of experiments take place
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i da ćemo morati da vidimo odvijanje mnogih eksperimenata
12:21
and probably fail
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i verovatno njihov neuspeh
pre nego što zaista budemo razumeli sve primere korišćenja
12:23
before we truly understand all of the use cases
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12:26
for our economy.
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za našu ekonomiju.
12:29
But there are tons of people working on this,
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Postoji gomila ljudi koji rade na ovome,
12:31
from financial institutions
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od finansijskih institucija do tehnoloških kompanija,
12:33
to technology companies, start-ups and universities.
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startapova i univerziteta.
Jedan od razloga tome je to što nije u pitanju samo ekonomski razvoj.
12:37
And one of the reasons is that it's not just an economic evolution.
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To je, takođe, inovacija u informatici.
12:42
It's also an innovation in computer science.
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12:49
Blockchains give us the technological capability
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Blokčejnovi nam pružaju tehnološku sposobnost
12:52
of creating a record of human exchange,
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stvaranja zapisa o razmeni ljudi,
12:56
of exchange of currency,
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o razmeni valuta,
12:58
of all kinds of digital and physical assets,
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raznoraznih digitalnih i fizičkih dobara,
13:02
even of our own personal attributes,
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pa čak i naših ličnih atributa
na potpuno nov način.
13:05
in a totally new way.
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13:07
So in some ways,
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Tako na neki način
postaju tehnološka institucija
13:09
they become a technological institution
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koja ima mnogo prednosti tradicionalnih institucija
13:12
that has a lot of the benefits
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13:13
of the traditional institutions we're used to using in society,
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koje smo navikli da koristimo u društvu,
13:18
but it does this in a decentralized way.
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ali to čine na decentralizovani način.
13:22
It does this by converting a lot of our uncertainties
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To se odvija pretvaranjem mnogih naših neizvesnosti
13:25
into certainties.
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u izvesnosti.
13:28
So I think we need to start preparing ourselves,
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Zato mislim da treba da počnemo da se pripremamo,
13:31
because we are about to face a world
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jer ćemo se uskoro suočiti sa svetom
13:34
where distributed, autonomous institutions
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gde raspodeljene, autonomne institucije
13:37
have quite a significant role.
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imaju prilično značajnu ulogu.
13:40
Thank you.
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Hvala.
13:41
(Applause)
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(Aplauz)
13:50
Bruno Giussani: Thank you, Bettina.
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Bruno Đuzani: Hvala ti, Betina.
13:52
I think I understood that it's coming,
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Mislim da razumem šta predstoji,
13:56
it offers a lot of potential,
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a to pruža mnogo potencijala
13:58
and it's complex.
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i složeno je.
14:00
What is your estimate for the rate of adoption?
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Kakva je tvoja procena u vezi sa brzinom usvajanja?
Betina Vorberg: Mislim da je to veoma dobro pitanje.
14:07
Bettina Warburg: I think that's a really good question.
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14:09
My lab is pretty much focused
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Moja laboratorija je prilično fokusirana
14:11
on going the enterprise and government route first,
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na kretanje putem firmi i vlade,
14:14
because in reality, blockchain is a complex technology.
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jer je blokčejn zapravo složena tehnologija.
14:18
How many of you actually understand how the internet works?
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Koliko vas zaista razume kako internet funkcioniše?
Ali ga koristite svakoga dana,
14:21
But you use it every day,
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14:22
so I think we're sort of facing the same John Sculley idea
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i zato mislim da se donekle suočavamo sa istom idejom Džona Skalija
14:26
of technology should either be invisible or beautiful,
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da tehnologija treba da bude nevidljiva ili prelepa,
14:30
and blockchain is kind of neither of those things right now,
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a blokčejn trenutno nije nijedno od ta dva,
pa je pogodniji za one koji baš rano usvajaju nove stvari,
14:34
so it's better suited for either really early adopters
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koji ga kapiraju i mogu da se igraju sa njim,
14:38
who kind of get it and can tinker around
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14:40
or for finding those best use cases
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ili za pronalaženje najboljih primera korišćenja
14:43
like identity or asset tracking or smart contracts
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kao što su praćenje identiteta, imovine ili pametnih ugovora
14:46
that can be used at that level of an enterprise or government.
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koji se mogu koristiti na tom nivou firme ili vlade.
14:50
BG: Thank you. Thanks for coming to TED.
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BĐ: Hvala. Hvala što si došla na TED.
14:52
BW: Thanks.
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BV: Hvala.
(Aplauz)
14:53
(Applause)
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