Ian Dunbar: Dog-friendly dog training

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Prevodilac: Ana Karadzic Lektor: Ivana Krivokuća
00:16
Dogs have interests.
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Psi imaju interesovanja.
00:18
They have interest sniffing each other, chasing squirrels.
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Interesuje ih da njuše jedni druge, da jure veverice.
00:24
And if we don't make that a reward in training, that will be a distraction.
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Ako to ne postavimo kao nagradu u dresuri, onda će to postati distrakcija.
00:29
It's always sort of struck me as really a scary thought
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Uvek mi se nekako činilo strašnim
00:34
that if you see a dog in a park, and the owner is calling it,
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kada vidim psa u parku, i vlasnika kako ga doziva,
00:38
and the owner says, you know, "Puppy, come here, come here,"
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i vlasnik kaže: „Dođi, kuco“,
00:41
and the dog thinks, "Hmm, interesting.
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a onda pas pomisli: „Hm, zanimljivo.
00:44
I'm sniffing this other dog's rear end, the owner's calling."
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Upravo njuškam zadnjicu ovog psa, a gazda me zove.“
00:48
It's a difficult choice, right?
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To je težak izbor, zar ne?
00:50
Rear end, owner. Rear end wins.
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Zadnjica, gazda. Zadnjica pobeđuje.
00:52
I mean, you lose.
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Hoću reći, gubite.
00:54
You cannot compete with the environment,
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Ne možete se takmičiti sa okolinom,
00:57
if you have an adolescent dog's brain.
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ako je u igri mozak psa u adolescenciji.
00:59
So, when we train, we're always trying to take into account
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Dakle, kada dresiramo, uvek pokušavamo da uzmemo u obzir
01:03
the dog's point of view.
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pseću tačku gledišta.
01:05
Now, I'm here largely because
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Ja sam ovde uglavnom
01:07
there's kind of a rift in dog training at the moment
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zbog toga što postoji jaz u dresuri pasa;
01:10
that -- on one side, we have people who think that you train a dog,
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naime, na jednoj strani se nalaze
oni koji smatraju da se pas dresira tako što se,
01:14
number one, by making up rules, human rules.
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kao prvo, uvode pravila, ljudska pravila.
01:18
We don't take the dog's point of view into account.
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Ne uzima se u obzir pseća tačka gledišta.
01:20
So the human says, "You're going to act this way, damn it.
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Dakle, čovek kaže: „Ponašaćeš se ovako, zaboga.
01:23
We're going to force you to act against your will, to bend to our will."
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Nateraćemo te da se ponašaš protivno tvojoj volji,
da se povinuješ našoj.“
01:27
Then, number two, we keep these rules a secret from the dog.
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Kao drugo, ova pravila ćemo kriti od psa.
01:30
And then number three, now we can punish the dog
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I treće, sad možemo da kaznimo psa
01:33
for breaking rules he didn't even know existed.
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zbog kršenja pravila za koja nije znao ni da postoje.
01:36
So you get a little puppy, he comes. His only crime is he grew.
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Eto, dobijete jedno malo štene, ono dođe. Njegov jedini zločin je što je porastao.
01:40
When he was a little puppy, he puts his paws on your leg --
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Kad je bio štene i kad stavi svoje šapice na vaše noge –
01:43
you know, isn't that nice?
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zar to nije divno?
01:45
And you go, "Oh, there's a good boy."
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A onda vi kažete: „O, dobar dečko.“
01:47
You bend down, you pat him -- you reward him for jumping up.
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Sagnete se, pomazite ga – nagradite ga za naskakanje.
01:51
His one mistake is he's a Tibetan mastiff, and a few months later,
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Jedina njegova greška je što je on tibetanski mastif,
i posle par meseci težak je 35 kilograma.
01:55
he weighs, you know, 80 pounds.
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01:58
Every time he jumps up, he gets all sorts of abuse.
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Svaki put kad skoči, doživeće razne oblike zlostavljanja.
02:01
I mean, it is really very, very scary the abuse that dogs get.
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To je stvarno strašno, kako pse zlostavljaju.
02:06
So, this whole dominance issue -- number one,
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Ceo problem sa dominacijom je, pod jedan,
02:10
what we get in dog training is this Mickey-Mouse interpretation
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ono na šta nailazimo u dresuri pasa je laička interpretacija
02:13
of a very complicated social system.
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jednog veoma komplikovanog društvenog sistema.
02:16
And they take this stuff seriously.
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A oni to ozbiljno shvataju.
02:18
Male dogs are very serious about a hierarchy,
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Mužjaci baš ozbiljno shvataju hijerarhiju,
02:20
because it prevents physical fights.
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jer sprečava fizičke obračune.
02:23
Of course, female dogs, bitches, on the other hand,
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Naravno, ženke pasa, kuje, s druge strane,
02:26
have several bitch amendments to male hierarchical rule.
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postavljaju nekoliko amandmana ovom muškom pravilu hijerarhije.
02:29
The number one is, "I have it, you don't."
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Prvi je: „Ja je imam, ti je nemaš.“
02:31
And what you will find is a very, very low-ranking bitch
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I tu dolazi do toga da će jedna veoma nisko rangirana ženka
02:35
will quite easily keep a bone away from a high-ranking male.
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sa takvom lakoćom čuvati kosku podalje od visoko rangiranog mužjaka.
02:39
So, we get in dog training this notion of dominances,
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Dakle, u dresuru pasa uvodimo ideju dominacije ili alfa psa.
02:42
or of the alpha dog. I'm sure that you've heard this.
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Sigurno ste čuli za ovo.
02:45
Dogs get so abused.
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Pse previše zlostavljaju.
02:47
Dogs, horses and humans --
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Psi, konji i ljudi –
02:49
these are the three species which are so abused in life.
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to su tri vrste koje su tokom svog života isuviše zlostavljane.
02:52
And the reason is built into their behavior --
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Razlog toga se krije u njihovom ponašanju –
02:54
is to always come back and apologize.
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uvek se vraćaju i izvinjavaju.
02:57
Like, "Oh, I'm sorry you had to beat me. I'm really sorry, yes, it's my fault."
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„Izvini što si morao da me istučeš. Žao mi je, da, ja sam kriv.“
03:00
They are just so beatable,
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Njih je tako lako istući, pa ih zato i tuku.
03:02
and that's why they get beaten.
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03:04
The poor puppy jumps up, you open the dog book, what does it say?
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Jadno štene naskoči, vi otvorite uputstvo za pse, i šta tu piše?
03:09
"Hold his front paws, squeeze his front paws,
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„Uhvatite mu prednje šape, stisnite ih,
03:11
stamp on his hind feet, squirt him in the face with lemon juice,
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zgazite mu na zadnje noge, prsnite mu sok od limuna u lice,
03:15
hit him on the head with a rolled-up newspaper,
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udarite ga po glavi urolanim novinama,
03:17
knee him in the chest, flip him over backwards."
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udarite ga kolenom u grudi, oborite ga.“
03:19
Because he grew?
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Zato što je porastao?
03:21
And because he's performing a behavior you've trained him to do?
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I zato što se ponaša onako kako ste ga vi naučili?
03:24
This is insanity.
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To je ludost.
Ja pitam vlasnike: „Kako biste želeli da vas vaš pas dočeka?“
03:27
I ask owners, "Well, how would you like the dog to greet you?"
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03:30
And people say, "Well, I don't know, to sit, I guess."
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A oni kažu: „Pa, ne znam, možda da sedne.“
03:33
I said, "Let's teach him to sit."
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Kažem im: „Hajde da ga naučimo da sedne.“
03:35
And then we give him a reason for sitting.
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A onda mu damo razlog da sedne.
03:39
Because the first stage
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Jer prva faza je naučiti psa engleski kao drugi jezik.
03:42
is basically teaching a dog ESL.
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03:45
I could speak to you and say, "Laytay-chai, paisey, paisey."
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Mogao bih vama da se obratim i kažem: „Laytay-chai, paisey, paisey.“
03:50
Go on, something should happen now.
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Hajde, nešto bi trebalo već da se dogodi.
03:52
Why aren't you responding? Oh, you don't speak Swahili.
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Zašto ne reagujete? A, da, vi ne govorite svahili.
E, pa, imam novosti za vas.
03:55
Well, I've got news for you.
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Vaš pas ne zna engleski, ni američki, ni španski niti francuski.
03:57
The dog doesn't speak English, or American, or Spanish, or French.
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04:02
So the first stage in training is to teach the dog ESL,
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Dakle, prva faza dresure je naučiti psa ESL,
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English as a second language.
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engleski kao drugi jezik.
04:07
And that's how we use the food lure in the hand,
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Za to koristimo hranu u ruci kao mamac,
04:09
and we use food because we're dealing with owners.
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hranu koristimo zbog vlasnika.
04:12
My wife doesn't need food -- she's a great trainer,
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Mojoj ženi ne treba hrana, sjajan je dreser, mnogo bolji od mene.
04:14
much better than I am.
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04:15
I don't need food, but the average owner says,
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Ni meni ne treba hrana, ali prosečan vlasnik će reći:
04:18
"Puppy, sit."
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„Kuco, sedi.“
04:20
Or they go, "Sit, sit, sit."
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Ili: „Sedi, sedi, sedi.“
04:22
They're making a hand signal in front of the dog's rectum for some reason,
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Iz nekog razloga signaliziraju rukom ispred rektuma psa,
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like the dog has a third eye there -- it's insane.
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kao da pas ima treće oko na tom mestu – to je ludost.
04:28
You know, "Sit, sit."
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Znate: „Sedi, sedi.“
04:30
No, we go, "Puppy, sit" -- boom, it's got it in six to 10 trials.
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Ne, reći ćemo: „ Kuco, sedi.“ – i, eto, shvatiće kroz 6 do 10 pokušaja.
04:34
Then we phase out the food as a lure,
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Zatim izbacimo hranu kao mamac,
04:36
and now the dog knows that "sit" means sit,
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i sad pas zna da „sedi“ znači sesti i zapravo možete da komunicirate sa psom
04:38
and you can actually communicate to a dog
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04:40
in a perfectly constructed English sentence.
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koristeći gramatički tačne rečenice na engleskom.
04:42
"Phoenix, come here, take this, and go to Jamie, please."
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„Feniks, dođi, uzmi ovo i idi do Džejmija, molim te.“
04:46
And I've taught her "Phoenix," "come here," "take this," "go to"
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A naučio sam je „Feniks“, „dođi“, „uzmi ovo“, „idi“
04:49
and the name of my son, "Jamie."
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i ime mog sina „Džejmi.“
04:51
And the dog can take a note,
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Sad pas može da uzme poruku, i tako ja imam svog malog psa tragača.
04:53
and I've got my own little search-and-rescue dog.
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04:55
He'll find Jamie wherever he is, you know,
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Naći će Džejmija, gde god da se on nalazi, znate,
04:57
wherever kids are, crushing rocks by a stream or something,
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gde su deca, možda se igraju kod potoka,
04:59
and take him a little message that says,
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i predaće mu kratku poruku u kojoj piše:
05:01
"Hey, dinner's ready. Come in for dinner."
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“Hej, večera je spremna. Dođi kući na večeru.”
05:04
So, at this point, the dog knows what we want it to do.
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Dakle, u tom trenutku, pas zna šta želimo da uradi.
05:07
Will it do it?
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Da li će to i uraditi? Ne nužno.
05:09
Not necessarily, no.
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05:11
As I said, if he's in the park and there's a rear end to sniff,
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Kao što sam rekao, ako je u parku i njuši zadnjicu nekog psa,
05:14
why come to the owner?
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zašto bi prišao vlasniku?
Pas živi sa vama, može da bude sa vama bilo kad.
05:16
The dog lives with you, the dog can get you any time.
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05:19
The dog can sniff your butt, if you like, when he wants to.
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Pas može da njuši vašu zadnjicu kad god, ako mu to dozvolite.
05:22
At the moment, he's in the park, and you are competing
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Tog trenutka je u parku, a vi se takmičite
05:24
with smells, and other dogs, and squirrels.
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sa mirisima, drugim psima i vevericama.
05:27
So the second stage in training is to teach the dog to want to do
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Druga faza u dresuri pasa je da naučimo psa da želi da uradi
05:31
what we want him to do, and this is very easy.
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ono što mi želimo da uradi, i to je jako lako.
05:34
We use the Premack principle.
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Koristimo Premakov princip.
05:36
Basically, we follow a low-frequency behavior --
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Prosto, ponašanje niske frekventnosti -
05:38
one the dog doesn't want to do --
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ono što pas ne želi da uradi –
05:40
by a high-frequency behavior, commonly known as a behavior problem,
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prati ponašanje visoke frekventnosti, poznatije kao problem u ponašanju,
05:44
or a dog hobby -- something the dog does like to do.
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ili hobi psa – nešto što pas zaista voli da radi.
05:48
That will then become a reward for the lower-frequency behavior.
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Tako će ono postati nagrada za ponašanje niske frekventnosti.
05:51
So we go, "sit," on the couch; "sit," tummy-rub; "sit,"
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I, idemo ovako:, „sedi“, na kauč; „sedi“, pomazimo ga po stomaku;
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look, I throw a tennis ball; "sit," say hello to that other dog.
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„sedi“, vidi, bacio sam tenisku lopticu; „sedi“, pozdravi se sa tim drugim psom.
05:59
Yes, we put "sniff butt" on queue.
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Dodamo i “njušenje zadnjice” na listu.
06:01
"Sit," sniff butt.
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„Sedi“, onjuši zadnjicu.
06:03
So now all of these distractions that worked against training
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Tako sad sve one distrakcije koje su ometale dresuru,
06:07
now become rewards that work for training.
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postaju nagrade u dresuri.
06:10
And what we're doing, in essence, is we're teaching the dog, kind of like --
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U suštini, ono što mi zapravo radimo je da učimo psa
kao da ga puštamo da misli da on trenira nas.
06:15
we're letting the dog think that the dog is training us.
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06:18
And I can imagine this dog, you know,
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Mogu da zamislim nekog psa
06:20
speaking through the fence to, say, an Akita,
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kako pokraj ograde priča sa drugom, recimo Akitom,
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saying, "Wow, my owners, they are so incredibly easy to train.
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i kaže: „Zamisli, ovi moji vlasnici, tako ih je lako dresirati.
06:26
They're like Golden Retrievers.
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Oni su kao zlatni retriveri.
06:28
All I have to do is sit, and they do everything.
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Samo treba da sednem, i oni će sve uraditi.
06:30
They open doors, they drive my car, they massage me,
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Otvaraju mi vrata, voze me, masiraju me,
06:34
they will throw tennis balls,
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bacaju mi tenisku lopticu,
06:36
they will cook for me and serve the food.
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kuvaju mi i serviraju hranu.
06:38
It's like, if I just sit, that's my command.
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Kao da je, ako sednem, to moja komanda.
06:41
Then I have my own personal doorman,
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Imam i svog ličnog portira,
06:43
chauffeur, masseuse, chef and waiter."
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šofera, masera, kuvara i konobara.“
06:47
And now the dog's really happy.
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Tako je pas sada zaista srećan.
06:49
And this, to me, is always what training is.
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To je ono šta dresura podrazumeva za mene.
06:51
So we really motivate the dog to want to do it,
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Treba istinski da motivišemo psa da želi to da uradi,
06:54
such that the need for punishment seldom comes up.
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tako da se retko javlja potreba za kažnjavanjem.
06:59
Now we move to phase three, when now --
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Sada prelazimo na treću fazu, gde -
07:02
there's times, you know, when daddy knows best.
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postoje trenuci kada tata zna najbolje.
07:04
And I have a little sign on my fridge, and it says,
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Imam jedan znak na frižideru na kom piše:
07:07
"Because I'm the daddy, that's why."
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„Zato što sam ja tata, eto, zato.“
07:09
Sorry, no more explanation. "I'm the daddy, you're not. Sit."
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Žao mi je, nema dalje rasprave. „Ja sam tata, ti nisi. Sedi.”
07:13
And there's times, for example,
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Ima trenutaka kada, na primer,
07:15
if my son's friends leave the door open,
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ako drugar mog sina ostavi otvorena vrata,
07:18
the dogs have to know you don't step across this line.
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tad pas mora da zna da ne sme da pređe tu liniju.
07:22
This is a life-or-death thing.
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To je pitanje života i smrti.
07:24
You leave this, the sanctity of your house,
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Ako napustiš utočište svog doma,
07:27
and you could be hit on the street.
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mogla bi da te udare kola na ulici.
07:29
So some things we have to let the dog know,
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Psa moramo da naučimo pojedinim stvarima:
07:31
"You mustn't do this."
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„Ovo ne smeš da radiš.”
07:33
And so we have to enforce, but without force.
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I to moramo da primenimo bez sile.
07:38
People here get very confused about what a punishment is.
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Ljudi su često zbunjeni oko toga šta je zapravo kazna.
07:42
They think a punishment is something nasty.
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Smatraju da je kazna nešto ružno. Kladim se da i mnogo vas to misli, zar ne?
07:44
I bet a lot of you do, right?
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07:46
You think it's something painful, or scary, or nasty.
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Vi smatrate da je to nešto bolno ili zastrašujuće ili ružno.
07:49
It doesn't have to be.
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Ne mora da bude tako.
07:51
There's several definitions of what a punishment is,
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Postoji više različitih definicija kazne,
07:54
but one definition, the most popular, is:
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a najpopularnija je
07:56
a punishment is a stimulus that reduces the immediately preceding behavior,
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ona da je kazna stimulus koji ograničava prethodno ponašanje,
08:01
such that it's less likely to occur in the future.
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tako da je malo verovatno da se ponovi u budućnosti.
08:05
It does not have to be nasty, scary or painful.
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Ne mora da bude ružna, zastrašujuća ili bolna.
08:10
And I would say, if it doesn't have to be, then maybe it shouldn't be.
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ja bih rekao da, ako ne mora, možda ni ne treba da bude takva.
08:15
I was working with a very dangerous dog about a year ago.
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Radio sam pre godinu dana sa jednim veoma opasnim psom.
08:18
And this was a dog that put both his owners in hospital,
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To je pas zbog kog su oba vlasnika završila u bolnici,
08:21
plus the brother-in-law, plus the child.
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kao i zet i jedno dete.
08:23
And I only agreed to work with it if they promised it would stay in their house,
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Pristao sam da radim sa njim ako obećaju da će ostati u kući
08:26
and they never took it outside.
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i da ga nikad neće izvoditi napolje.
08:28
The dog is actually euthanized now,
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Taj pas je kasnije uspavan,
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but this was a dog I worked with for a while.
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ali sam duže vreme radio sa njim.
08:32
A lot of the aggression happened around the kitchen,
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Većina agresivnog ponašanja se dogodila u kuhinji,
08:35
so while I was there -- this was on the fourth visit --
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pa dok sam bio tamo - to je već bila moja četvrta poseta -
08:38
we did a four and a half hour down-stay, with the dog on his mat.
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četiri i po sata smo vežbali komandu „dole“, dok je bio na prostirci.
08:41
And he was kept there by the owner's calm insistence.
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Ostao je tu zahvaljujući vlasničinoj staloženoj upornosti.
08:46
When the dog would try to leave the mat,
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Kad god bi pas pokušao da ode sa prostirke,
08:48
she would say, "Rover, on the mat, on the mat, on the mat."
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ona bi rekla: “Rovere, na prostirku, na prostirku, na prostirku.”
08:52
The dog broke his down-stay 22 times in four and a half hours, while she cooked dinner,
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Pas je za četiri i po sata 22 puta odbio naredbu, dok je ona spremala večeru,
08:57
because we had a lot of aggression related towards food.
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jer je većina te agresije bila vezana za hranu.
09:01
The breaks got fewer and fewer.
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Neposlušnost je postala sve ređa i ređa.
09:03
You see, the punishment was working.
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Vidite, kazna je urodila plodom.
09:06
The behavior problem was going away.
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Problem u ponašanju je nestajao.
09:08
She never raised her voice.
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Nijednom nije podigla glas.
09:10
If she did, she would have got bitten.
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Da jeste, ujeo bi je.
09:13
It's not a good dog you shout at.
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Pas na koga vičete nije dobar pas.
09:15
And a lot of my friends train really neat animals,
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Mnogi moji prijatelji dresiraju strašne životinje,
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grizzly bears -- if you've ever seen a grizzly bear
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grizlije – ako ste ikada videli grizlija,
09:20
on the telly or in film, then it's a friend of mine who's trained it --
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na televiziji ili filmu, dresirao ga je moj prijatelj –
09:23
killer whales. I love it because it wires you up.
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kitovi ubice.
To mi se dopada jer je uzbudljivo.
09:26
How are you going to reprimand a grizzly bear?
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Kako biste prekorili grizlija?
09:28
"Bad bear, bad bear!" Voom!
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„Nevaljali medvede, nevaljali!” Bum!
09:30
Your head now is 100 yards away, sailing through the air, OK?
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Vaša glava sad leti kroz vazduh nekih stotinak metara.
09:35
This is crazy.
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To je ludost.
09:37
So, where do we go from here?
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I, šta sad da radimo?
09:39
We want a better way.
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Treba nam bolji način.
09:41
Dogs deserve better.
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Psi zaslužuju bolje.
09:43
But for me, the reason for this actually has to do with dogs.
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Za mene je razlog za ovakvu dresuru vezan za pse.
09:47
It has to do with watching people train puppies,
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Vezan je za to kad vidim kako ljudi dresiraju štence,
09:50
and realizing they have horrendous interaction skills,
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i shvatim kako poseduju očajne interakcijske veštine,
09:55
horrendous relationship skills.
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očajne veštine u odnosima.
09:57
Not just with their puppy, but with the rest of the family at class.
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Ne samo sa svojim psima, već i sa ostalim članovima svoje porodice.
10:01
I mean, my all-time classic is another "come here" one.
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Moj klasičan primer za to je opet iz kategorije „dođi ovamo.”
10:04
You see someone in the park -- and I'll cover my mic when I say this,
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Vidite nekoga u parku – pokriću mikrofon dok ovo govorim,
10:07
because I don't want to wake you up -- and there's the owner in the park,
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jer ne želim da vas probudim – i tu je vlasnik psa,
10:10
and their dog's over here, and they say, "Rover, come here.
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pas tamo negde, pa kaže: „Rovere, dođi ovamo.
10:12
Rover, come here. Rover, come here, you son of a bitch."
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Rovere, dođi ovamo. Rovere, dođi ovamo, kučkin sine.”
10:16
The dog says, "I don't think so."
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A pas kaže: “E, baš neću.”
10:18
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
10:19
I mean, who in their right mind
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Mislim, ko bi pri zdravoj svesti i čistoj pameti
10:22
would think that a dog would want to approach them
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pomislio da će pas hteti da im priđe
10:25
when they're screaming like that?
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kada se tako deru?
10:27
Instead, the dog says, "I know that tone. I know that tone.
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Umesto toga, pas pomisli: "Znam taj ton. Znam taj ton.
10:30
Previously, when I've approached, I've gotten punished there."
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Pre, kada sam prišao, bio sam kažnjen.”
10:33
I was walking onto a plane --
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Ukrcao sam se u avion –
10:35
this, for me, was a pivotal moment in my career,
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za mene je ovo bio ključni momenat u karijeri
10:38
and it really cemented what I wanted to do
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koji je zabetonirao šta želim da postignem
10:40
with this whole puppy-training thing,
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u celoj ovoj priči o dresuri pasa,
10:42
the notion of how to teach puppies in a dog-friendly way
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ideju kako dresirate pse na način koji je naklonjen psima,
10:46
to want to do what we want to do, so we don't have to force them.
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da žele da urade to što mi želimo, da ne moramo da ih teramo na to.
10:49
You know, I puppy-train my child.
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Ja ovako dresiram i svoje dete.
10:52
And the seminal moment was, I was getting on a plane in Dallas,
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Ključni trenutak je bio kada sam se ukrcavao u avion za Dalas,
10:55
and in row two was a father, I presume, and a young boy about five,
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i u drugom redu su sedeli, pretpostavljam, otac i njegov sin od pet godina
10:59
kicking the back of the chair.
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koji je šutirao naslon sedišta.
11:01
"Johnny, don't do that."
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„Džoni, nemoj to da radiš.”
11:03
Kick, kick, kick.
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Šut, šut, šut.
11:04
"Johnny, don't do that." Kick, kick, kick.
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„Džoni, nemoj to da radiš.” Šut, šut, šut.
11:06
I'm standing right here with my bag.
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Ja sam stajao baš tu sa torbom.
11:08
The father leans over, grabs him like this and gives him ugly face.
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Otac se nagnuo, zgrabio ga ovako i napravio ružnu facu.
11:12
And ugly face is this --
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A ružna faca je ovo –
11:14
when you go face-to-face with a puppy or a child,
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kada se postavite lice u lice sa štenetom ili detetom
11:17
you say, "What are you doing! Now stop it, stop it, stop it!"
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i kažete: „Šta to radiš? Prekini odmah, dosta!”
11:20
And I went, "Oh my God, do I do something?"
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Onda sam pomislio: „Bože, treba li nešto da uradim?”
11:23
That child has lost everything --
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To dete je izgubilo sve –
11:26
that one of the two people he can trust in this world
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jedno od jedino dvoje ljudi kojima veruje na svetu
11:29
has absolutely pulled the rug from under his feet.
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mu je u potpunosti srušilo tlo pod nogama.
11:32
And I thought, "Do I tell this jerk to quit it?"
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Pomislih: „Reći ću ovoj budali da prestane!”
11:34
I thought, "Ian, stay out of it, stay out of it, you know, walk on."
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Pa onda pomislih: “Ijane, ne mešaj se, ne mešaj se, nastavi dalje.”
11:37
I walked to the back of the plane,
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Otišao sam dalje, seo na svoje sedište,
11:39
I sat down, and a thought came to me.
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i tad mi je nešto palo na pamet.
11:42
If that had been a dog, I would have laid him out.
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Da je pas bio u pitanju, nokautirao bih ga.
11:44
(Laughter)
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(Smeh)
11:45
If he had kicked a dog, I would have punched him out.
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Da je udario psa, onesvestio bih ga.
11:49
He kicked a child, grabs the child like this and I let it go.
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Udario je dete, ovako ga zgrabio, a ja sam produžio.
11:54
And this is what it's all about.
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I to je suština svega.
11:57
These relationship skills are so easy.
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Veštine u odnosima su veoma jednostavne.
11:59
I mean, we as humans, our shallowness when we choose a life-mate
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Mi, ljudi, smo jako površni po pitanju odabira partnera
12:04
based on the three Cs -- coat color, conformation, cuteness.
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koji se bazira na boji dlake, prilagođavanja i dopadljivosti.
12:08
You know, kind of like a little robot.
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Znate, kao mali roboti.
12:10
This is how we go into a relationship, and it's hunky-dory for a year.
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Ovako mi stupamo u veze, i cvetaju nam ruže nekih godinu dana.
12:13
And then, a little behavior problem comes up.
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A onda iskrsne neki problem u ponašanju.
12:15
No different from the dog barking.
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Ništa drugačije od lajanja psa.
12:17
The husband won't clear up his clothes,
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Muž neće da složi svoju odeću,
12:19
or the wife's always late for meetings, whatever it is, OK?
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ili žena stalno kasni na sastanke, šta god da je u pitanju, u redu?
12:23
And it then starts, and we get into this thing,
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I onda počinje, upadamo u taj problem,
12:27
and our personal feedback -- there's two things about it.
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a naše povratne informacije, tu postoje dve stvari.
12:29
When you watch people interacting with animals or other people,
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Kada posmatramo ljude u interakciji sa životinjama ili ljudima,
12:32
there is very little feedback, it's too infrequent.
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javlja se veoma malo povratnih informacija, zaista su retke.
12:36
And when it happens, it's bad, it's nasty.
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A kad se pojave, jako su loše i ružne.
12:39
You see it's especially in families, especially with spouses,
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Najčešće se to može videti kod porodica, među supružnicima,
12:44
especially with children, especially with parents.
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decom, roditeljima.
12:47
You see it especially in the workplace,
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Može se četo primetiti na radnom mestu,
12:49
especially from boss to employee.
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naročito u odnosu šefa prema zaposlenima.
12:51
It's as if there's some schadenfreude there,
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Kao da postoji nekakva zluradost
12:54
that we actually take delight in people getting things wrong,
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u tome da uživamo kad drugi ljudi nešto pogreše,
12:57
so that we can then moan and groan and bitch at them.
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kako bismo mogli da se žalimo na njih i da ih grdimo.
13:02
And this, I would say, is the biggest human foible that we have.
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Po meni je ovo najveća mana ljudi.
13:06
It really is.
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Zaista jeste.
13:08
We take the good for granted, and we moan and groan at the bad.
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Ono dobro uzimamo zdravo za gotovo, na loše se žalimo i ljutimo.
13:11
And I think this whole notion of these skills should be taught.
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Ja smatram da ljude treba podučavati svim ovim veštinama.
13:14
You know, calculus is wonderful.
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Znate, matematika je divna.
13:16
When I was a kid, I was a calculus whiz.
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Kad sam bio dete, bio sam matematički genije.
13:18
I don't understand a thing about it now, but I could do it as a kid.
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Sada ne razumem ništa u vezi sa tim, ali sam znao kao mali.
13:22
Geometry, fantastic. You know, quantum mechanics --
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Geometrija, fantastično. Znate, kvantna mehanika –
13:25
these are cool things.
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to su baš zanimljive stvari.
13:27
But they don't save marriages and they don't raise children.
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Ali one neće spasiti brak ili odgajiti decu.
13:31
And my look to the future is,
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Moja ideja za budućnost,
13:33
and what I want to do with this doggy stuff, is to teach people
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ono što želim da postignem ovim je da naučim ljude da,
13:36
that you know, your husband's just as easy to train.
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znate, vaše muževe je isto tako lako dresirati.
13:39
Probably easier -- if you got a Rottie -- much easier to train.
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Možda čak i lakše – ako imate rotvajlera – mnogo lakše.
13:44
Your kids are easy to train.
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Vašu decu je lako dresirati.
13:46
All you've got to do is to watch them,
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Treba samo da ih posmatrate,
13:48
to time-sample the behavior, and say, every five minutes,
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pratite obrasce ponašanja u nekom periodu,
13:50
you ask the question, "Is it good, or is it bad?"
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i na svakih 5 minuta se zapitate: „Da li je ovo dobro ili loše?“
13:53
If it's good, say, "That was really neat, thank you."
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Ako je dobro, recite: „To je bilo baš lepo, hvala ti.”
13:56
That is such a powerful training technique.
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Ovo je jako moćna tehnika u dresuri.
13:58
This should be taught in schools.
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Ovo treba da se uči u školi.
14:00
Relationships -- how do you negotiate?
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Odnosi – kako da pregovarate?
14:02
How you do negotiate with your friend who wants your toy?
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Kako da pregovarate sa drugarom koji hoće vašu igračku?
14:05
You know, how to prepare you for your first relationship?
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Znate, kako da se pripremite za svoju prvu vezu?
14:08
How on earth about raising children?
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Ili, zaboga, kako gajiti decu?
14:10
We think how we do it -- one night in bed, we're pregnant,
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Mislimo, jedno veče u krevetu, trudni smo,
14:12
and then we're raising the most important thing in life, a child.
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i onda odgajamo nešto najvažnije u našem životu, dete.
14:15
No, this is what should be taught -- the good living, the good habits,
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Ne, ovome treba da nas uče – dobar život, dobre navike,
14:20
which are just as hard to break as bad habits.
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koje je isto toliko teško izbaciti kao i one loše.
14:24
So, that would be my wish to the future.
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Dakle, to je moja želja za budućnost.
14:26
Ah, damn, I wanted to end exactly on time,
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Ah, hteo sam da završim tačno na vreme,
14:28
but I got eight, seven, six, five, four, three, two --
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ali mi je ostalo sedam, šest, pet, četiri, tri, dva –
14:34
so thank you very much. That's my talk, thank you.
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hvala vam. To je bila moja priča, hvala.
14:36
(Applause)
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(Aplauz)
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