Ian Dunbar: Dog-friendly dog training

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Prevoditelj: Ivona Papa Recezent: Jelena Horvat
00:16
Dogs have interests.
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Psi imaju interese.
00:18
They have interest sniffing each other, chasing squirrels.
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Interesira ih međusobno njuškanje, lov na vjeverice.
00:24
And if we don't make that a reward in training, that will be a distraction.
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I ako to ne pretvorimo u nagradu u dresuri, onda će to odvlačiti pažnju.
00:29
It's always sort of struck me as really a scary thought
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Uvijek sam smatrao da je pomalo strašno
00:34
that if you see a dog in a park, and the owner is calling it,
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ako vidite psa u parku, i vlasnik ga zove,
00:38
and the owner says, you know, "Puppy, come here, come here,"
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i, znate, vlasnik govori: "Dođi amo, mali, dođi amo",
00:41
and the dog thinks, "Hmm, interesting.
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i pas misli: "Hm, zanimljivo.
00:44
I'm sniffing this other dog's rear end, the owner's calling."
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Njuškam stražnjicu drugog psa, vlasnik zove."
00:48
It's a difficult choice, right?
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Težak izbor, zar ne?
00:50
Rear end, owner. Rear end wins.
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Stražnjica, vlasnik. Stražnjica pobjeđuje.
00:52
I mean, you lose.
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Mislim, vi gubite.
00:54
You cannot compete with the environment,
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Ne možete se natjecati s okolišem,
00:57
if you have an adolescent dog's brain.
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ako imate mozak psa adolescenta.
00:59
So, when we train, we're always trying to take into account
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Tako, kad dresiramo, uvijek pokušavamo uzeti u obzir
01:03
the dog's point of view.
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pseći pogled na stvari.
01:05
Now, I'm here largely because
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Sad, tu sam uglavnom zato
01:07
there's kind of a rift in dog training at the moment
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što postoji vrsta rascjepa u dresuri
01:10
that -- on one side, we have people who think that you train a dog,
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koja - s jedne strane su ljudi koji misle da dresirate psa,
01:14
number one, by making up rules, human rules.
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pod broj jedan, stvarajući pravila, ljudska pravila.
01:18
We don't take the dog's point of view into account.
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Ne uzimamo pseći pogled na stvari u obzir.
01:20
So the human says, "You're going to act this way, damn it.
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Pa onda ljudi kažu: "Ponašat ćeš se ovako, kvragu.
01:23
We're going to force you to act against your will, to bend to our will."
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Natjerat ćemo te da se pokoriš našoj volji, protiv svoje volje."
01:27
Then, number two, we keep these rules a secret from the dog.
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Onda, broj dva, ova pravila tajimo pred psom.
01:30
And then number three, now we can punish the dog
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I broj tri, sad možemo kazniti psa
01:33
for breaking rules he didn't even know existed.
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što krši pravila za koja nije ni znao da postoje.
01:36
So you get a little puppy, he comes. His only crime is he grew.
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Tako imate štene, evo ga. Jedini zločin mu je što je narastao.
01:40
When he was a little puppy, he puts his paws on your leg --
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Kad je bio maleno štene, stavio bi šapu na vašu nogu -
01:43
you know, isn't that nice?
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znate, zar to nije lijepo?
01:45
And you go, "Oh, there's a good boy."
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A vi biste rekli: "Ooo, dobar dečko."
01:47
You bend down, you pat him -- you reward him for jumping up.
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Sagnuli biste se, potapšali ga - nagradili ga što skače.
01:51
His one mistake is he's a Tibetan mastiff, and a few months later,
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Njegova jedina pogreška je to što je tibetanski mastif, i par mjeseci kasnije,
01:55
he weighs, you know, 80 pounds.
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težak je, znate, 40 kg.
01:58
Every time he jumps up, he gets all sorts of abuse.
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Svaki put kad skoči, zlostavlja ga se na sve načine.
02:01
I mean, it is really very, very scary the abuse that dogs get.
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Mislim, to zlostavljanje je zaista vrlo, vrlo strašno.
02:06
So, this whole dominance issue -- number one,
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Tako, cijeli ovaj problem dominacije - pod broj jedan,
02:10
what we get in dog training is this Mickey-Mouse interpretation
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ono što u dresuri dobijemo je Mickey-Mouse-interpretacija
02:13
of a very complicated social system.
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veoma složenog društvenog sustava.
02:16
And they take this stuff seriously.
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I oni to ozbiljno shvaćaju.
02:18
Male dogs are very serious about a hierarchy,
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Mužjaci su jako ozbiljni u vezi hijerarhije,
02:20
because it prevents physical fights.
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zato što to sprečava fizičke borbe.
02:23
Of course, female dogs, bitches, on the other hand,
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Naravno, ženke, kuje, s druge strane,
02:26
have several bitch amendments to male hierarchical rule.
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imaju nekoliko ženskih dodataka pravilu muške hijerarhije.
02:29
The number one is, "I have it, you don't."
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Prvo je: "Ja to imam, ti ne."
02:31
And what you will find is a very, very low-ranking bitch
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I ono što vidite je da će jako nisko pozicionirana kuja
02:35
will quite easily keep a bone away from a high-ranking male.
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prilično lako zadržati kost od visoko rangiranog mužjaka.
02:39
So, we get in dog training this notion of dominances,
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Tako, u dresuri imamo ovaj vid dominacije,
02:42
or of the alpha dog. I'm sure that you've heard this.
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ili alfa psa. Siguran sam da ste čuli za to.
02:45
Dogs get so abused.
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Pse se često zlostavlja.
02:47
Dogs, horses and humans --
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Psi, konji i ljudi -
02:49
these are the three species which are so abused in life.
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ovo su tri vrste koje se u životu mnogo zlostavlja.
02:52
And the reason is built into their behavior --
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A razlog je ugrađen u njihovo ponašanje -
02:54
is to always come back and apologize.
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da se uvijek vrate i ispričaju.
02:57
Like, "Oh, I'm sorry you had to beat me. I'm really sorry, yes, it's my fault."
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Kao: "O, žao mi je što si me morao pretući. Stvarno mi je jako žao, da, ja sam kriv."
03:00
They are just so beatable,
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Jednostavno se daju tako lako istući,
03:02
and that's why they get beaten.
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i zbog toga i budu pretučeni.
03:04
The poor puppy jumps up, you open the dog book, what does it say?
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Jadno štene skoči, vi otvorite knjigu za pse, što kaže?
03:09
"Hold his front paws, squeeze his front paws,
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"Držite mu prednje šape, stisnite ih,
03:11
stamp on his hind feet, squirt him in the face with lemon juice,
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ugazite ga po stražnjim nogama, štrcajte mu sok limuna u lice,
03:15
hit him on the head with a rolled-up newspaper,
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udarite ga po glavi smotanim novinama,
03:17
knee him in the chest, flip him over backwards."
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udarite ga koljenom u prsa, prevrnite ga na leđa."
03:19
Because he grew?
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Zato što je narastao?
03:21
And because he's performing a behavior you've trained him to do?
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I zato što ponavlja ono što ste ga naučili da čini?
03:24
This is insanity.
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To je ludost.
03:27
I ask owners, "Well, how would you like the dog to greet you?"
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Pitam vlasnike: "Pa, kako biste htjeli da vas pas pozdravi?"
03:30
And people say, "Well, I don't know, to sit, I guess."
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I ljudi kažu: "Pa, ne znam, neka sjedne, valjda."
03:33
I said, "Let's teach him to sit."
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Kažem: "Naučimo ga neka sjedne."
03:35
And then we give him a reason for sitting.
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I onda mu damo razlog da sjedi.
03:39
Because the first stage
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Zato što je prvi stupanj
03:42
is basically teaching a dog ESL.
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u osnovi učenje psa engleskog kao drugog jezika.
03:45
I could speak to you and say, "Laytay-chai, paisey, paisey."
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Mogao bih vam reći: "Laytay-chai, paisey, paisey."
03:50
Go on, something should happen now.
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Hajmo, nešto bi se sad trebalo dogoditi.
03:52
Why aren't you responding? Oh, you don't speak Swahili.
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Zašto ne odgovarate? Aha, ne govorite Svahili.
03:55
Well, I've got news for you.
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Pa, imam vijesti za vas.
03:57
The dog doesn't speak English, or American, or Spanish, or French.
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Pas ne govori engleski, američki, španjolski, francuski.
04:02
So the first stage in training is to teach the dog ESL,
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Tako da je prvi stupanj u dresuri učenje psa engleskoga kao drugog jezika.
04:05
English as a second language.
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Engleski kao drugi jezik.
04:07
And that's how we use the food lure in the hand,
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I tako koristimo hranu kao mamac u ruci,
04:09
and we use food because we're dealing with owners.
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i koristimo hranu zato što radimo s vlasnicima.
04:12
My wife doesn't need food -- she's a great trainer,
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Moja žena ne treba hranu, ona je odličan dreser,
04:14
much better than I am.
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mnogo bolja od mene.
04:15
I don't need food, but the average owner says,
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Ja ne trebam hranu, ali običan vlasnik kaže:
04:18
"Puppy, sit."
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"Štene, sjedni."
04:20
Or they go, "Sit, sit, sit."
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Ili ovako: "Sjedni, sjedni, sjedni."
04:22
They're making a hand signal in front of the dog's rectum for some reason,
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Rukom prave signal ispred psećeg rektuma zbog nekog razloga,
04:25
like the dog has a third eye there -- it's insane.
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kao da pas tamo ima treće oko - to je suludo.
04:28
You know, "Sit, sit."
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Znate: "Sjedni, sjedni."
04:30
No, we go, "Puppy, sit" -- boom, it's got it in six to 10 trials.
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Sad, mi radimo ovako: "Štene, sjedni," - i bum, uspije u 6 od 10 pokušaja.
04:34
Then we phase out the food as a lure,
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Onda uklonimo hranu kao mamac,
04:36
and now the dog knows that "sit" means sit,
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i sad pas zna da "sjedni" znači sjedni,
04:38
and you can actually communicate to a dog
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i stvarno možete komunicirati sa psom
04:40
in a perfectly constructed English sentence.
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u savršeno složenoj engleskoj rečenici.
04:42
"Phoenix, come here, take this, and go to Jamie, please."
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"Phoenix, dođi, uzmi ovo, idi Jamieju, molim te."
04:46
And I've taught her "Phoenix," "come here," "take this," "go to"
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I naučio sam je "Phoenix", "dođi", "uzmi ovo", "idi",
04:49
and the name of my son, "Jamie."
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i ime svog sina, "Jamie."
04:51
And the dog can take a note,
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I pas može uzeti poruku,
04:53
and I've got my own little search-and-rescue dog.
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i imam svog vlastitog psa tragača-spasitelja.
04:55
He'll find Jamie wherever he is, you know,
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Naći će Jamieja gdje god bio, znate,
04:57
wherever kids are, crushing rocks by a stream or something,
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gdje god djeca bila, lomeći stijene na potoku ili nešto,
04:59
and take him a little message that says,
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i odnijeti mu malu poruku u kojoj stoji:
05:01
"Hey, dinner's ready. Come in for dinner."
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"Hej, večera je spremna. Dođi jesti."
05:04
So, at this point, the dog knows what we want it to do.
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Tako, na ovom stupnju, pas zna što želimo da radi.
05:07
Will it do it?
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Hoće li to napraviti?
05:09
Not necessarily, no.
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Ne nužno, ne.
05:11
As I said, if he's in the park and there's a rear end to sniff,
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Kao što sam rekao, ako je u parku i može ponjuškati neku stražnjicu,
05:14
why come to the owner?
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zašto bi došao vlasniku?
05:16
The dog lives with you, the dog can get you any time.
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Pas živi s vama, može do vas bilo kad.
05:19
The dog can sniff your butt, if you like, when he wants to.
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Pas može ponjušiti vašu guzu, ako to želite, kad god on želi.
05:22
At the moment, he's in the park, and you are competing
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U ovom trenu, u parku je, i natječete se
05:24
with smells, and other dogs, and squirrels.
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s mirisima, drugim psima, i vjevericama.
05:27
So the second stage in training is to teach the dog to want to do
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Tako da je drugi stupanj u dresuri naučiti psa da želi
05:31
what we want him to do, and this is very easy.
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ono što mi želimo da napravi, a to je veoma lako.
05:34
We use the Premack principle.
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Koristimo Premackovo načelo.
05:36
Basically, we follow a low-frequency behavior --
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U osnovi, pratimo ponašanje niske frekvencije -
05:38
one the dog doesn't want to do --
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ono koje pas ne želi činiti -
05:40
by a high-frequency behavior, commonly known as a behavior problem,
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ponašanjem visoke frekvencije, opće poznate kao problem u ponašanju,
05:44
or a dog hobby -- something the dog does like to do.
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ili pseći hobi - nešto što pas voli činiti.
05:48
That will then become a reward for the lower-frequency behavior.
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To će onda postati nagrada za ponašanje niske frekvencije.
05:51
So we go, "sit," on the couch; "sit," tummy-rub; "sit,"
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Tako idemo, "sjedni" na kauč; "sjedni", češkanje trbuha; "sjedni",
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look, I throw a tennis ball; "sit," say hello to that other dog.
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gledaj, bacam tenisku lopticu; "sjedni", pozdravi onog drugog psa.
05:59
Yes, we put "sniff butt" on queue.
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Da, na red dođe i "njuškanje guze".
06:01
"Sit," sniff butt.
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"Sjedni", njuškanje guze.
06:03
So now all of these distractions that worked against training
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Tako sad sve što je odvlačilo pažnju od dresure
06:07
now become rewards that work for training.
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postaje nagrada koja radi za dresuru.
06:10
And what we're doing, in essence, is we're teaching the dog, kind of like --
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I ono što činimo, u biti je da psa učimo, nekako -
06:15
we're letting the dog think that the dog is training us.
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puštamo psa da misli da on dresira nas.
06:18
And I can imagine this dog, you know,
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Mogu zamisliti tog psa, znate,
06:20
speaking through the fence to, say, an Akita,
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kako govori kroz ogradu, recimo, Akiti,
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saying, "Wow, my owners, they are so incredibly easy to train.
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govori: "Opa, moje vlasnike je nevjerojatno lako izdresirati.
06:26
They're like Golden Retrievers.
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Kao da su zlatni retriveri.
06:28
All I have to do is sit, and they do everything.
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Sve što moram je sjesti, i napravit će bilo što.
06:30
They open doors, they drive my car, they massage me,
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Otvaraju vrata, voze moj auto, masiraju me,
06:34
they will throw tennis balls,
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bacaju mi tenisku lopticu,
06:36
they will cook for me and serve the food.
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kuhaju mi i serviraju hranu.
06:38
It's like, if I just sit, that's my command.
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Kao da, ako samo sjednem, to je moja zapovijed.
06:41
Then I have my own personal doorman,
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Onda imam vlastitog vratara,
06:43
chauffeur, masseuse, chef and waiter."
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šofera, masera, kuhara i konobara."
06:47
And now the dog's really happy.
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I sad je pas stvarno sretan.
06:49
And this, to me, is always what training is.
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I ovo je ono što je meni dresura uvijek bila.
06:51
So we really motivate the dog to want to do it,
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Tako stvarno motiviramo psa da to želi činiti,
06:54
such that the need for punishment seldom comes up.
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tako da se potreba za kaznom rijetko pojavi.
06:59
Now we move to phase three, when now --
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Sad prelazimo na stupanj tri, kad sad -
07:02
there's times, you know, when daddy knows best.
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ima prilika, znate, kad tata zna najbolje.
07:04
And I have a little sign on my fridge, and it says,
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I imam maleni znak na frižideru, i piše,
07:07
"Because I'm the daddy, that's why."
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"Zato što sam ja tata, eto zašto."
07:09
Sorry, no more explanation. "I'm the daddy, you're not. Sit."
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Oprosti, nema daljnjih objašnjenja. "Ja sam tata, ti nisi. Sjedni."
07:13
And there's times, for example,
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I ima prilika, na primjer,
07:15
if my son's friends leave the door open,
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ako prijatelj mog sina ostavi otvorena vrata,
07:18
the dogs have to know you don't step across this line.
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psi moraju znati da ne prelaze preko te linije.
07:22
This is a life-or-death thing.
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To je pitanje života i smrti.
07:24
You leave this, the sanctity of your house,
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Ostavite li ovo, svetost svoje kuće,
07:27
and you could be hit on the street.
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netko vas može udariti na ulici.
07:29
So some things we have to let the dog know,
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Tako da psima moramo neke stvari dati do znanja,
07:31
"You mustn't do this."
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"Ovo ne smiješ činiti."
07:33
And so we have to enforce, but without force.
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I moramo ih prisiliti, bez upotrebe sile.
07:38
People here get very confused about what a punishment is.
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Ljudi su često zbunjeni time što je kazna.
07:42
They think a punishment is something nasty.
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Misle da je kazna nešto grozno.
07:44
I bet a lot of you do, right?
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Kladim se vas mnogo to misli, je l' da?
07:46
You think it's something painful, or scary, or nasty.
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Mislite da je to nešto bolno, nešto strašno, grozno.
07:49
It doesn't have to be.
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Ne mora biti.
07:51
There's several definitions of what a punishment is,
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Postoji nekoliko definicija toga što je kazna,
07:54
but one definition, the most popular, is:
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ali jedna definicija, najpopularnija, je:
07:56
a punishment is a stimulus that reduces the immediately preceding behavior,
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kazna je poticaj koji smanjuje ponašanje koje je upravo prethodilo,
08:01
such that it's less likely to occur in the future.
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tako da se ono rjeđe pojavljuje u budućnosti.
08:05
It does not have to be nasty, scary or painful.
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Ne mora biti grozno, strašno ni bolno.
08:10
And I would say, if it doesn't have to be, then maybe it shouldn't be.
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I rekao bih, ako ne mora biti, možda ne bi smjelo biti.
08:15
I was working with a very dangerous dog about a year ago.
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Radio sam s jako opasnim psom pred nekih godinu dana.
08:18
And this was a dog that put both his owners in hospital,
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Ovo je bio pas koji je oboje vlasnika smjestio u bolnicu,
08:21
plus the brother-in-law, plus the child.
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plus šogora, plus dijete.
08:23
And I only agreed to work with it if they promised it would stay in their house,
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I jedino sam se složio raditi s njim ako obećaju da će ostati s njima u kući,
08:26
and they never took it outside.
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da ga nikad neće izvesti van.
08:28
The dog is actually euthanized now,
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Pas je u stvari sad eutanaziran,
08:30
but this was a dog I worked with for a while.
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ali s tim psom sam radio neko vrijeme.
08:32
A lot of the aggression happened around the kitchen,
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Mnogo agresije se događalo oko kuhinje,
08:35
so while I was there -- this was on the fourth visit --
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tako da dok sam bio tamo - ovo je bio četvrti posjet -
08:38
we did a four and a half hour down-stay, with the dog on his mat.
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četiri i pol sata smo radili ostani dolje, sa psom na svom prostiraču.
08:41
And he was kept there by the owner's calm insistence.
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I tamo smo ga zadržavali vlasnikovom mirnom upornošću.
08:46
When the dog would try to leave the mat,
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Kad bi pas pokušao napustiti prostirač,
08:48
she would say, "Rover, on the mat, on the mat, on the mat."
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rekla bi: "Rover, na prostirač, na prostirač, na prostirač."
08:52
The dog broke his down-stay 22 times in four and a half hours, while she cooked dinner,
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Pas je to pokušao prekinuti 22 puta u četiri i pol sata, dok je kuhala večeru,
08:57
because we had a lot of aggression related towards food.
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zato što je mnogo agresije bilo usmjereno ka hrani.
09:01
The breaks got fewer and fewer.
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Prekidi su bivali rjeđi i rjeđi.
09:03
You see, the punishment was working.
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Vidite, kazna je djelovala.
09:06
The behavior problem was going away.
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Problem u ponašanju je nestajao.
09:08
She never raised her voice.
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Nikad nije podigla glas.
09:10
If she did, she would have got bitten.
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Da jest, ugrizao bi ju.
09:13
It's not a good dog you shout at.
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Ne vičete na dobrog psa.
09:15
And a lot of my friends train really neat animals,
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I mnogo mojih prijatelja dresira stvarno cool životinje,
09:18
grizzly bears -- if you've ever seen a grizzly bear
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grizlije - ako ste ikad vidjeli grizlija
09:20
on the telly or in film, then it's a friend of mine who's trained it --
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na TV-u ili filmu, onda ga je dresirao moj prijatelj -
09:23
killer whales. I love it because it wires you up.
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kitove orke. Volim ih jer se vežu za vas.
09:26
How are you going to reprimand a grizzly bear?
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Kako da ukorite grizlija?
09:28
"Bad bear, bad bear!" Voom!
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"Zločesti medo, zločesti medo!" Bum!
09:30
Your head now is 100 yards away, sailing through the air, OK?
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Glava vam je 100 metara dalje, leti zrakom, OK?
09:35
This is crazy.
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To je ludo.
09:37
So, where do we go from here?
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Pa, odakle tu polazimo?
09:39
We want a better way.
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Želimo bolji način.
09:41
Dogs deserve better.
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Psi zaslužuju bolje.
09:43
But for me, the reason for this actually has to do with dogs.
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Ali za mene, razlog za to zapravo ima veze sa psima.
09:47
It has to do with watching people train puppies,
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Ima veze sa gledanjem ljudi kako dresiraju štenad,
09:50
and realizing they have horrendous interaction skills,
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i sa shvaćanjem da imaju strašne vještine interakcije,
09:55
horrendous relationship skills.
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strašne vještine povezivanja.
09:57
Not just with their puppy, but with the rest of the family at class.
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Ne samo sa svojim štencima, nego i s ostatkom obitelji.
10:01
I mean, my all-time classic is another "come here" one.
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Mislim, moj svevremeni klasik je još jedan "dođi ovamo".
10:04
You see someone in the park -- and I'll cover my mic when I say this,
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Vidite nekog u parku, pokrit ću mikrofon kad to kažem,
10:07
because I don't want to wake you up -- and there's the owner in the park,
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jer vas ne želim probuditi, i tu je vlasnik u parku,
10:10
and their dog's over here, and they say, "Rover, come here.
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i njihov pas je tamo, i kažu: "Rover, dođi.
10:12
Rover, come here. Rover, come here, you son of a bitch."
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Rover, dođi. Rover, dođi ovamo, kučkin sine."
10:16
The dog says, "I don't think so."
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Pas kaže: "Ne bih rekao."
10:18
(Laughter)
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(smijeh)
10:19
I mean, who in their right mind
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Mislim, tko bi pri zdravoj pameti
10:22
would think that a dog would want to approach them
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mislio da bi mu pas htio doći
10:25
when they're screaming like that?
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kad tako viče?
10:27
Instead, the dog says, "I know that tone. I know that tone.
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Umjesto toga, pas kaže: "Znam taj ton. Znam taj ton.
10:30
Previously, when I've approached, I've gotten punished there."
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Prije, kad bih mu prišao, odmah bih bio kažnjen."
10:33
I was walking onto a plane --
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Išao sam na avion -
10:35
this, for me, was a pivotal moment in my career,
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ovo je za mene prijelomni trenutak u mojoj karijeri,
10:38
and it really cemented what I wanted to do
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i stvarno je zacementirao ono što sam htio učiniti
10:40
with this whole puppy-training thing,
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s cijelim ovim problemom dresure štenaca,
10:42
the notion of how to teach puppies in a dog-friendly way
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načina učenja štenaca na prijateljski način
10:46
to want to do what we want to do, so we don't have to force them.
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da žele činiti ono što mi želimo da čine, tako da ih ne moramo siliti.
10:49
You know, I puppy-train my child.
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Znate, dresiram svoje dijete kao štene.
10:52
And the seminal moment was, I was getting on a plane in Dallas,
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I ključan trenutak je bio, išao sam avionom za Dallas,
10:55
and in row two was a father, I presume, and a young boy about five,
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i u drugom redu je bio otac, pretpostavljam, i dječak od pet godina,
10:59
kicking the back of the chair.
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koji je udarao stražnji dio sjedala.
11:01
"Johnny, don't do that."
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"Johnny, ne čini to."
11:03
Kick, kick, kick.
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Udarac, udarac, udarac.
11:04
"Johnny, don't do that." Kick, kick, kick.
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"Johnny, ne čini to". Udarac, udarac, udarac.
11:06
I'm standing right here with my bag.
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Stojim tamo sa svojom torbom.
11:08
The father leans over, grabs him like this and gives him ugly face.
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Otac se nagne, zgrabi ga ovako i napravi ružnu grimasu.
11:12
And ugly face is this --
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A ružna grimasa je ovakva -
11:14
when you go face-to-face with a puppy or a child,
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kad ste licem u lice sa štenetom ili djetetom,
11:17
you say, "What are you doing! Now stop it, stop it, stop it!"
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kažete: "Što to činiš? Sad prestani, prestani, prestani!"
11:20
And I went, "Oh my God, do I do something?"
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I pomislio sam: "O Bože, trebam li što učiniti?"
11:23
That child has lost everything --
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To dijete je izgubilo sve -
11:26
that one of the two people he can trust in this world
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jedno od dvoje ljudi kojima u cijelom svijetu može vjerovati
11:29
has absolutely pulled the rug from under his feet.
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je očito izvuklo tepih pod njegovim nogama.
11:32
And I thought, "Do I tell this jerk to quit it?"
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I mislio sam: "Da li da kažem ovom kretenu da prestane?"
11:34
I thought, "Ian, stay out of it, stay out of it, you know, walk on."
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Mislio sam: "Ian, drži se podalje, drži se podalje, znaš, nastavi hodati."
11:37
I walked to the back of the plane,
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Otišao sam do stražnjeg dijela aviona,
11:39
I sat down, and a thought came to me.
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sjeo sam, i misao mi je došla.
11:42
If that had been a dog, I would have laid him out.
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Da je to bio pas, opalio bih tipa.
11:44
(Laughter)
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(smijeh)
11:45
If he had kicked a dog, I would have punched him out.
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Da je udario psa, opalio bih ga.
11:49
He kicked a child, grabs the child like this and I let it go.
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Udario je dijete, tako je zgrabio dijete i nisam ništa učinio.
11:54
And this is what it's all about.
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I u tome je bila stvar.
11:57
These relationship skills are so easy.
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Vještine povezivanja su tako lake.
11:59
I mean, we as humans, our shallowness when we choose a life-mate
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Mislim, mi kao ljudi, naša plitkost kad biramo životnog partnera
12:04
based on the three Cs -- coat color, conformation, cuteness.
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se temelji na tri stvari - boja kaputa, građa, lijep izgled.
12:08
You know, kind of like a little robot.
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Znate, pomalo kao mali robot.
12:10
This is how we go into a relationship, and it's hunky-dory for a year.
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Tako uletimo u vezu, i onda se topimo godinu dana.
12:13
And then, a little behavior problem comes up.
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A onda, iskrsne neki problem u ponašanju.
12:15
No different from the dog barking.
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Ništa drukčije od psa koji laje.
12:17
The husband won't clear up his clothes,
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Muž neće složiti svoju odjeću,
12:19
or the wife's always late for meetings, whatever it is, OK?
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ili žena uvijek kasni na sastanke, što god bilo, OK?
12:23
And it then starts, and we get into this thing,
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I onda sve započne, i upadnemo u tu rutinu,
12:27
and our personal feedback -- there's two things about it.
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i naša povratna informacija - dvije stvari postoje u vezi nje.
12:29
When you watch people interacting with animals or other people,
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Kad gledate ljude kako komuniciraju sa životinjama ili drugim ljudima,
12:32
there is very little feedback, it's too infrequent.
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premalo je povratne informacije, prerijetko se javlja.
12:36
And when it happens, it's bad, it's nasty.
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I kad se dogodi, loša je, grozna.
12:39
You see it's especially in families, especially with spouses,
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To osobito vidite u obiteljima, posebno kod supružnika,
12:44
especially with children, especially with parents.
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posebno kod djece, posebno kod roditelja.
12:47
You see it especially in the workplace,
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Posebno to vidite na poslu,
12:49
especially from boss to employee.
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posebno između šefa i zaposlenika.
12:51
It's as if there's some schadenfreude there,
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Kao da netko uživa u tuđoj muci,
12:54
that we actually take delight in people getting things wrong,
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kao da stvarno uživamo kad ljudi nešto krivo shvate,
12:57
so that we can then moan and groan and bitch at them.
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tako da možemo gunđati i prigovarati i iskaljivati se na njima.
13:02
And this, I would say, is the biggest human foible that we have.
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I ovo je, rekao bih, najveća ljudska slabost koju imamo.
13:06
It really is.
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Stvarno jest.
13:08
We take the good for granted, and we moan and groan at the bad.
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Uzimamo dobro zdravo za gotovo, i gunđamo i prigovaramo za loše.
13:11
And I think this whole notion of these skills should be taught.
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I mislim da bi se cijeli pogled na ove vještine trebao poučavati.
13:14
You know, calculus is wonderful.
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Znate, matematika je krasna.
13:16
When I was a kid, I was a calculus whiz.
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Kad sam ja bio dijete, bio sam genij za matematiku.
13:18
I don't understand a thing about it now, but I could do it as a kid.
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Ne razumijem u čemu je stvar sada, ali mogao sam to kao dijete.
13:22
Geometry, fantastic. You know, quantum mechanics --
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Geometrija, fantastično. Znate, kvantna mehanika -
13:25
these are cool things.
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to su cool stvari,
13:27
But they don't save marriages and they don't raise children.
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Ali one ne spašavaju brakove i ne odgajaju djecu.
13:31
And my look to the future is,
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I moj pogled na budućnost je,
13:33
and what I want to do with this doggy stuff, is to teach people
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ono što želim učiniti s ovim psećim stvarima je naučiti ljude
13:36
that you know, your husband's just as easy to train.
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da znate, vašeg muža je jednako lako dresirati.
13:39
Probably easier -- if you got a Rottie -- much easier to train.
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Vjerojatno lakše, ako imate rotvajlera, mnogo lakše dresirati.
13:44
Your kids are easy to train.
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Vašu djecu je lako dresirati.
13:46
All you've got to do is to watch them,
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Sve što morate je promatrati ih,
13:48
to time-sample the behavior, and say, every five minutes,
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uzeti vremenski uzorak njihova ponašanja, i recimo, svakih pet minuta,
13:50
you ask the question, "Is it good, or is it bad?"
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postavite si pitanje: "Je li to dobro, je li to loše?"
13:53
If it's good, say, "That was really neat, thank you."
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Ako je dobro, kažete: "To je bilo baš super, hvala."
13:56
That is such a powerful training technique.
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To je tako moćna tehnika dresiranja.
13:58
This should be taught in schools.
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To bi se trebalo učiti u školama.
14:00
Relationships -- how do you negotiate?
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Veze - kako pregovarate?
14:02
How you do negotiate with your friend who wants your toy?
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Kako pregovarate s prijateljem koji želi vašu igračku?
14:05
You know, how to prepare you for your first relationship?
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Znate, kako se pripremiti za prvu vezu?
14:08
How on earth about raising children?
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Kako pobogu za odgajanje djece?
14:10
We think how we do it -- one night in bed, we're pregnant,
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Mislimo o tome kako to činimo - jedna noć u krevetu, trudni smo,
14:12
and then we're raising the most important thing in life, a child.
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i onda odgajamo najvažniju stvar u životu, dijete.
14:15
No, this is what should be taught -- the good living, the good habits,
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Ne, ovo bi se trebalo učiti - dobar život, dobre navike,
14:20
which are just as hard to break as bad habits.
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koje je jednako teško slomiti kao i loše.
14:24
So, that would be my wish to the future.
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Tako, to bi bila moja želja za budućnost.
14:26
Ah, damn, I wanted to end exactly on time,
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O, kvragu, htio sam završiti točno na vrijeme,
14:28
but I got eight, seven, six, five, four, three, two --
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ali imam osam, sedam, šest, pet, četiri, tri, dva -
14:34
so thank you very much. That's my talk, thank you.
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Mnogo vam hvala. Ovo je bio moj govor, hvala.
14:36
(Applause)
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