Vincent Moon and Nana Vasconcelos: The world’s hidden music rituals

Prevodilac: Milena Kocic Lektor: Mile Živković

Vincent Moon: How can we use computers,

Vinsent Mun: Kako možemo koristiti kompjutere,

cameras, microphones to represent the world

kamere, mikrofone da bismo predstavili svet

in an alternative way,

na drugačiji način,

as much as possible?

koliko god je to moguće?

How, maybe, is it possible to use the Internet

Kako je moguće koristiti internet

to create a new form of cinema?

za stvaranje novog tipa filma?

And actually, why do we record?

I u stvari, zašto snimamo?

Well, it is with such simple questions in mind

Pa, sa takvim jednostavnim pitanjima na umu

that I started to make films 10 years ago,

počeo sam da pravim filmove pre 10 godina,

first with a friend, Christophe Abric.

najpre sa prijateljem, Kristofom Abrikom.

He had a website, La Blogothèque,

Imali smo vebsajt, "La Blogothèque",

dedicated to independent music.

posvećen nezavisnoj muzici.

We were crazy about music.

Bili smo ludi za muzikom.

We wanted to represent music in a different way,

Želeli smo da predstavimo muziku na drugačiji način,

to film the music we love, the musicians we admired,

da snimimo muziku koju volimo, muzičare koje obožavamo,

as much as possible, far from the music industry

koliko god je to moguće, daleko od muzičke industrije

and far from the cliches attached to it.

i daleko od klišea vezanih za nju.

We started to publish every week

Počeli smo da svake nedelje objavljujemo

sessions on the Internet.

sesije na internetu.

We are going to see a few extracts now.

Sada ćemo pogledati nekoliko odlomaka.

From Grizzly Bear in the shower

Od benda "Grizzly Bear" pod tušem

to Sigur Ros playing in a Parisian cafe.

do Sigur Rosa koji svira u pariskom kafeu.

From Phoenix playing by the Eiffel Tower

Od benda "Phoenix" koji svira pokraj Ajfelovog tornja

to Tom Jones in his hotel room in New York.

do Toma Džounsa u svojoj hotelskoj sobi u Njujorku.

From Arcade Fire in an elevator

Od "Arcade Fire" u liftu

in the Olympia

na Olimpijadesu

to Beirut going down a staircase in Brooklyn.

do "Bejruta" koji silaze niz stepenice u Bruklinu.

From R.E.M. in a car

Od R.E.M.-a u kolima

to The National around a table at night

do "The National" oko stola noću

in the south of France.

na jugu Francuske.

From Bon Iver playing with some friends

Od "Bon Ivera" koji svira sa nekim prijateljima

in an apartment in Montmartre

u stanu na Monmartru

to Yeasayer having a long night,

do "Yeasayer" koji ima dugu noć,

and many, many, many more

i mnogo, mnogo, mnogo više

unknown or very famous bands.

nepoznatih ili veoma poznatih bendova.

We published all those films

Objavili smo sve te snimke

for free on the Internet,

besplatno na internetu,

and we wanted to share

i želeli smo da podelimo

all those films and represent music

sve te snimke i predstavimo muziku

in a different way.

na drugačiji način.

We wanted to create another type of intimacy

Želeli smo da stvorimo drugačiju vrstu intimnosti

using all those new technologies.

koristeći sve te nove tehnologije.

At the time, 10 years ago actually,

Istovremeno, pre 10 godina zapravo,

there was no such project on the Internet,

nije bilo takvih projekata na internetu,

and I guess that's why the project we were making, the Take Away Shows,

i pretpostavljam da je zato projekat koji smo mi napravili, "Take Away Shows",

got quite successful,

postao tako uspešan,

reaching millions of viewers.

dostigavši milione gledalaca.

After a while, I got a bit —

Nakon izvesnog vremena, postao sam malo -

I wanted to go somewhere else.

želeo sam da odem negde drugde.

I felt the need to travel and to discover some other music,

Osetio sam potrebu da putujem i otkrijem neku drugu muziku,

to explore the world,

da istražujem svet,

going to other corners,

idem u druge krajeve,

and actually it was also

i zapravo to je bila i neka vrsta ideje

this idea of nomadic cinema, sort of, that I had in mind.

o nomadskom bioskopu, koju sam imao na umu.

How could the use of new technologies and the road fit together?

Kako bi se moglo uklopiti korišćenje novih tehnologija i putovanje?

How could I edit my films in a bus

Kako da montiram filmove u autobusu

crossing the Andes?

dok prelazim Ande?

So I went on five-year travels

Tako sam krenuo na petogodišnja putovanja

around the globe.

oko sveta.

I started at the time in the digital film and music label collection Petites Planètes,

Započeo sam u vreme digitalnog filma i grupe izdavačkih kuća "Petites Planetes"

which was also an homage to French filmmaker Chris Marker.

što je bilo i odavanje počasti francuskom režiseru Krisu Markeru.

We're going to see now a few more extracts

Sada ćemo videti još nekoliko odlomaka

of those new films.

iz tih novih filmova.

From the tecno brega diva of northern Brazil, Gaby Amarantos

Od tehno brega dive iz severnog Brazila, Gabi Amarantos

to a female ensemble in Chechnya.

do ženskog ansambla u Čečeniji.

From experimental electronic music in Singapore with One Man Nation

Od eksperimentalne elektronske muzike iz Singapura sa "One Man Nation"

to Brazilian icon Tom Zé singing on his rooftop in São Paolo.

do brazilske ikone Toma Zea koji peva na svom krovu u Sao Paolu.

From The Bambir, the great rock band from Armenia

Od "The Bambir", odličnog rok benda iz Jermenije

to some traditional songs

do nekih tradicionalnih pesama

in a restaurant in Tbilisi, Georgia.

u jednom restoranu u Tbilisiju u Gruziji.

From White Shoes, a great retro pop band from Jakarta, Indonesia

Od "White Shoes", odličnog retro pop benda iz Džakarte u Indoneziji,

to DakhaBrakha, the revolutionary band from Kiev, Ukraine.

do benda "DakhaBrakha", revolucionarnog benda iz Kijeva u Ukrajini.

From Tomi Lebrero

Od Tomija Lebrera

and his bandoneon and his friends in Buenos Aires, Argentina,

sa svojim bandoneonom i svojim prijateljima u Buenos Ajresu u Argentini,

to many other places

do mnogih drugih mesta

and musicians around the world.

i muzičara širom sveta.

My desire was to make it as a trek.

Moja ideja je bila da to napravim kao jedno putovanje

To do all those films,

Stvaranje ovih filmova

it would have been impossible

bilo bi nemoguće

with a big company behind me,

uz veliku kompaniju iza sebe,

with a structure or anything.

neku strukturu, ili bilo šta.

I was traveling alone with a backpack —

Putovao sam sam sa rancem -

computer, camera, microphones in it.

gde su bili kompjuter, kamera, mikrofoni.

Alone, actually, but just with local people,

Sam, u stvari, samo sa lokalnim stanovništvom,

meeting my team, which was absolutely not

nalazio sam se sa svojim timom, koga uopšte nisu

professional people, on the spot there,

činili profesionalci, na samom mestu,

going from one place to another

i išli smo od jednog mesta do drugog

and to make cinema as a trek.

da od filma stvorimo putovanje.

I really believed that cinema could be

Stvarno sam verovao da film može biti

this very simple thing:

ova vrlo jednostavna stvar:

I want to make a film and you're going to give me a place to stay for the night.

želim da napravim film, a vi ćete mi dati mesto da prespavam.

I give you a moment of cinema and you offer me a capirinha.

Ja vama dam jedan trenutak filma, a vi meni ponudite kaipirinju.

Well, or other drinks,

Ili neko drugo piće,

depending on where you are.

u zavisnosti od toga gde ste.

In Peru, they drink pisco sour.

U Peruu piju "pisko saur".

Well, when I arrived in Peru, actually,

U stvari, kad sam stigao u Peru

I had no idea about what I would do there.

nisam imao predstavu o tome šta bih radio tamo.

And I just had one phone number, actually,

I, u stvari, imao sam samo jedan broj telefona

of one person.

jedne osobe.

Three months later,

Nakon tri meseca,

after traveling all around the country, I had recorded 33 films,

nakon što sam putovao širom zemlje, snimio sam 33 filma,

only with the help of local people,

samo uz pomoć lokalnog stanovništva,

only with the help of people

samo uz pomoć ljudi

that I was asking all the time the same question:

kojima sam sve vreme postavljao isto pitanje:

What is important to record here today?

"Šta bi trebalo snimiti ovde i danas?"

By living in such a way,

Kako sam živeo na takav način,

by working without any structure,

kako sam radio bez ikakve strukture,

I was able to react to the moment

mogao sam da reagujem u trenutku

and to decide, oh, this is important to make now.

i da odlučim, aha, ovo bi trebalo uraditi sada.

This is important to record that whole person.

Trebalo bi snimiti sve o ovoj osobi.

This is important to create this exchange.

Bitno je napraviti ovu razmenu.

When I went to Chechnya,

Kada sam otišao u Čečeniju,

the first person I met

prva osoba koju sam sreo

looked at me and was like,

me je pogledala i rekla:

"What are you doing here?

"Šta radiš ti ovde?

Are you a journalist? NGO? Politics?

Da li si novinar? Iz NVO-a? Političar?

What kind of problems are you going to study?"

Koju vrstu problema ćeš izučavati?"

Well, I was there to research

Pa, bio sam tamo kako bih istražio

on Sufi rituals in Chechnya, actually —

sufističke rituale u Čečeniji, u stvari -

incredible culture of Sufism in Chechnya,

neverovatnu kulturu sufizma u Čečeniji,

which is absolutely unknown outside of the region.

o kojoj se baš ništa ne zna van te oblasti.

As soon as people understood

Čim su ljudi shvatili

that I would give them those films —

da bih im dao te filmove - postavljao sam

I would publish them online for free under a Creative Commons license,

ih na internet besplatno pod licencom Kriejtiv komonz,

but I would also really give them to the people

ali sam ih zaista dao ljudima

and I would let them do what they want with it.

i dao im da rade sa njima šta požele.

I just want to represent them in a beautiful light.

Samo želim da ih prikažem u lepom svetlu.

I just want to portray them in a way that

Ja samo želim da ih oslikam na takav način

their grandchildren are going to look at their grandfather,

da kad njihovi unuci pogledaju svog dedu

and they're going to be like,

kažu nešto kao,

"Whoa, my grandfather is as cool as Beyoncé." (Laughter)

"O, moj deda je kul kao Bijonse." (Smeh)

It's a really important thing.

To je veoma bitna stvar.

(Applause)

(Aplauz)

It's really important,

To je veoma bitno,

because that's the way

zato što je to način

people are going to look differently at their own culture, at their own land.

da ljudi drugačije gledaju na svoju sopstvenu kulturu, na svoju zemlju.

They're going to think about it differently.

I misliće o tome na drugačiji način.

It may be a way to maintain a certain diversity.

Možda se na taj način može održati izvesna raznolikost.

Why you will record?

Zašto ćeš snimati?

Hmm. There's a really good quote

Hm. Ima jedan vrlo dobar citat

by American thinker Hakim Bey

američkog mislioca Hakima Beja

which says, "Every recording

koji kaže: "Svaki snimak

is a tombstone of a live performance."

je nadgrobni spomenik izvođenju uživo."

It's a really good sentence to keep in mind

To je veoma dobar citat koji bi trebalo zapamtiti

nowadays in an era saturated by images.

u današnje vreme koje je zasićeno slikama.

What's the point of that?

Koji je smisao svega toga?

Where do we go with it?

Šta ćemo time postići?

I was researching. I was still keeping this idea in mind:

Ja sam istraživao. I dalje sam na umu imao ideju:

What's the point?

koja je svrha ovoga?

I was researching on music, trying to pull,

Istraživao sam muziku, pokušavao sam da vučem,

trying to get closer to a certain origin of it.

pokušavao sam da se približim izvesnom poreklu te muzike.

Where is this all coming from?

Odakle sve to potiče?

I am French. I had no idea about

Ja sam Francuz. Nisam imao predstavu

what I would discover, which is a very simple thing:

o tome šta ću otkriti, što je jedna vrlo prosta stvar:

Everything was sacred, at first,

Sve je bilo svetinja, na početku,

and music was spiritual healing.

i muzika je bila duhovno izlečenje.

How could I use my camera,

Kako mogu da iskoristim svoju kameru,

my little tool, to get closer

moje malo oruđe, kako bih se približio

and maybe not only capture the trance

i uhvatio ne samo trans,

but find an equivalent, a cine-trance, maybe,

nego našao i ekvivalent tome, sine-trans, možda,

something in complete harmony

nešto što je u potpunoj harmoniji

with the people?

sa ljudima?

That is now my new research I'm doing

To je novo istraživanje na kome radim,

on spirituality, on new spirits around the world.

o spiritualnosti, o novim duhovima širom sveta.

Maybe a few more extracts now.

Možda još nekoliko isečaka sada.

From the Tana Toraja funeral ritual in Indonesia

Od Tona Toradže, pogrebnog rituala u Indoneziji

to an Easter ceremony in the north of Ethiopia.

do uskršnje ceremonije na severu Etiopije.

From jathilan, a popular trance ritual

Od Džatilana, popularnog rituala transa

on the island of Java,

na ostrvu Java,

to Umbanda in the north of Brazil.

do Umbande na severu Brazila.

The Sufi rituals of Chechnya

Od sufističkih rituala u Čečeniji

to a mass in the holiest church of Armenia.

do mise u najsvetijoj crkvi u Jermeniji.

Some Sufi songs in Harar,

Od nekih sufističkih pesama u Hararu,

the holy city of Ethiopia,

svetom gradu Etiopije,

to an ayahuasca ceremony

do ceremonija Ajahuaska

deep in the Amazon of Peru with the Shipibo.

duboko u Amazoniji u Peruu sa Šibibo narodom.

Then to my new project, the one I'm doing now

Do mog novog projekta, onog na kome sad radim

here in Brazil, named "Híbridos."

ovde u Brazilu, zove se "Hibridos".

I'm doing it with Priscilla Telmon.

Radim sa Prisilom Telmon.

It's research on the new spiritualities all around the country.

To je istraživanje o novim vrstama spiritualnosti širom cele zemlje.

This is my quest, my own little quest of what I call experimental ethnography,

To je moja mala potraga za onim što zovem eksperimentalnom etnografijom,

trying to hybrid all those different genres,

pokušavam da povežem sve te različite žanrove,

trying to regain a certain complexity.

pokušavam da povratim određenu kompleksnost.

Why do we record?

Zbog čega snimamo?

I was still there.

I dalje sam bio tamo.

I really believe cinema teaches us to see.

Ja stvarno verujem da nas film uči da vidimo.

The way we show the world

Način na koji pokazujemo svet

is going to change the way we see this world,

će promeniti način na koji vidimo svet,

and we live in a moment where the mass media

a živimo u trenutku kada masovni mediji

are doing a terrible, terrible job

na grozan, grozan način obavljaju svoj posao

at representing the world:

predstavljanja sveta:

violence, extremists,

nasilje, ekstremisti,

only spectacular events,

samo spektakularni događaji,

only simplifications of everyday life.

samo pojednostavljivanje svakodnevnog života.

I think we are recording

Ja mislim da mi snimamo

to regain a certain complexity.

kako bismo povratili određenu kompleksnost.

To reinvent life today,

Kako bismo danas ponovo otkrili život,

we have to make new forms of images.

moramo napraviti nove forme slika.

And it's very simple.

A to je vrlo jednostavno.

Muito obrigado.

Mnogo vam hvala.

(Applause)

(Aplauz)

Bruno Giussani: Vincent, Vincent, Vincent.

Bruno Đuzani: Vinsente, Vinsente, Vinsente.

Merci. We have to prepare for the following performance,

Hvala. Moramo se pripremiti za sledeće izvođenje,

and I have a question for you, and the question is this:

a za tebe imam jedno pitanje, a ono glasi:

You show up in places like the ones you just have shown us,

ti se pojavljuješ na mestima koja si nam upravo prikazao,

and you are carrying a camera

i sa sobom nosiš kameru

and I assume that you are welcome

i ja pretpostavljam da si dobrodošao

but you are not always absolutely welcome.

ali nisi uvek u potpunosti dobrodošao.

You walk into sacred rituals,

Dolaziš na svete rituale,

private moments in a village, a town,

privatne trenutke u selu, u gradu,

a group of people.

grupi ljudi.

How do you break the barrier

Kako prevazilaziš barijeru

when you show up with a lens?

kada se pojaviš sa objektivom?

VM: I think you break it with your body,

VM: Mislim da se se više prevazilazi sopstvenim telom

more than with your knowledge.

nego znanjem.

That's what it taught me to travel,

Tome me je naučilo putovanje,

to trust the memory of the body

da verujem onome što telo zapamti

more than the memory of the brain.

više nego onome što zapamti mozak.

The respect is stepping forward,

Poštovanje je istupanje napred,

not stepping backward, and I really think that

ne povlačenje, i ja stvarno mislim

by engaging your body in the moment, in the ceremony,

da kada angažujete svoje telo u trenutku, u ceremoniji,

in the places, people welcome you

na tim mestima, ljudi vas prihvate

and understand your energy.

i razumeju vašu energiju.

BG: You told me that most of the videos

BĐ: Rekao si da je većina filmova

you have made are actually one single shot.

koje si napravio u stvari snimak iz jednog kadra.

You don't do much editing.

Ne montiraš mnogo.

I mean, you edited the ones for us

Mislim, izmontirao si one za nas

at the beginning of the sessions because of the length, etc.

na početku ove sesije zbog dužine, itd.

Otherwise, you just go in and capture

Inače, samo odeš i snimaš

whatever happens in front of your eyes

sve ono što se dešava pred tvojim očima

without much planning, and so is that the case?

bez mnogo planiranja, i dakle, to je to?

It's correct?

Je li to tačno?

VM: My idea is that I think that

VM: Moja ideja je da

as long as we don't cut, in a way,

dokle god ne sečemo, na neki način,

as long as we let the viewer watch,

dokle god pustimo gledaoca da gleda,

more and more viewers are going to feel closer,

sve više i više gledalaca će imati osećaj da su bliži,

are going to get closer to the moment,

približiće se tom trenutku,

to that moment and to that place.

tom trenutku i tom mestu.

I really think of that as a matter of respecting the viewer,

Ja na to gledam kao na poštovanje gledaoca,

to not cut all the time from one place to another,

bez stalnog sečenja s jednog mesta na drugo,

to just let the time go.

već samo da pustimo vreme da teče.

BG: Tell me in a few words about your new project,

BĐ: Opiši mi ukratko svoj novi projekat

"Híbridos," here in Brazil.

"Hibridos", ovde u Brazilu.

Just before coming to TEDGlobal, you have actually

Baš pre dolaska na TEDGlobal, ti si,

been traveling around the country for that.

u stvari, putovao širom zemlje zbog toga.

Tell us a couple of things.

Reci nam nekoliko stvari.

VM: "Híbridos" is — I really believe Brazil,

VM: "Hibridos" je - ja stvarno mislim da je Brazil,

far from the cliches, is the greatest religious country in the world,

daleko od klišea, najveća zemlja na svetu po pobožnosti,

the greatest country in terms of spirituality

najveća zemlja što se tiče duhovnosti

and in experimentations in spiritualities.

i eksperimenata sa duhovnošću.

And it's a big project I'm doing over this year,

I to je veliki projekat koji radim tokom ove godine,

which is researching in very different regions of Brazil,

koji se sastoji od istraživanja raznih oblasti Brazila,

in very different forms of cults,

veoma različitih oblika kultova

and trying to understand how people live together

i pokušaja da se razume kako ljudi žive

with spirituality nowadays.

sa duhovnošću u današnje vreme.

BG: The man who is going to appear onstage momentarily,

BĐ: Čovek koji će se pojaviti na bini ovoga trenutka,

and Vincent's going to introduce him,

i koga će Vinsent predstaviti,

is one of the subjects of one of his past videos.

jedan je od subjekata jednog njegovog ranijeg snimka.

When did you do a video with him?

Kada si napravio snimak sa njim?

VM: I guess four years ago,

VM: Mislim da je to bilo pre četiri godine,

four years in my first travel.

pre četiri godine, na mom prvom putovanju.

BG: So it was one of your first ones in Brazil.

BĐ: To je bilo jedno od tvojih prvih putovanja u Brazil.

VM: It was amongst the first ones in Brazil, yeah.

VM: Jedno od prvih putovanja u Brazil, da.

I shot the film in Recife,

Film smo snimali u Resifeu,

in the place where he is from.

u mestu odakle je on.

BG: So let's introduce him. Who are we waiting for?

BG: Pa, hajde da ga predstavimo. Koga to očekujemo?

VM: I'll just make it very short.

VM: Biću veoma kratak.

It's a very great honor for me to welcome onstage

Velika mi je čast da na bini dočekam

one of the greatest Brazilian musicians of all time.

jednog od najvećih brazilskih muzičara svih vremena.

Please welcome Naná Vasconcelos.

Molim vas, pozdravite Nanu Vaskonselosa.

BG: Naná Vasconcelos!

BĐ: Nana Vaskonselos!

(Applause)

(Aplauz)

(Music)

(Muzika)

Naná Vasconcelos: Let's go to the jungle.

Nana Vaskonselos: Hajdemo u džunglu.

(Applause)

(Aplauz)