Miguel Nicolelis: A monkey that controls a robot with its thoughts. No, really.

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2013-02-18 ・ TED


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Miguel Nicolelis: A monkey that controls a robot with its thoughts. No, really.

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Translator: Timothy Covell Reviewer: Morton Bast
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Translator: Karmelina Husejnovic Reviewer: Nina Ivančič
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The kind of neuroscience that I do and my colleagues do
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Nevroznanost, s katero se ukvarjamo jaz in moji kolegi
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is almost like the weatherman.
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je skoraj kot napovedovanje vremena.
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We are always chasing storms.
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Vedno se podimo za nevihtami.
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We want to see and measure storms -- brainstorms, that is.
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Želimo videti in izmeriti nevihte - tiste v možganih, pravzaprav.
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And we all talk about brainstorms in our daily lives,
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In v vsakdanjem življenju pogosto govorimo o možganskih nevihtah,
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but we rarely see or listen to one.
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ampak redko kdaj kakšno tudi vidimo ali ji prisluhnemo.
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So I always like to start these talks
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Zato vedno rad začnem svoj govor
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by actually introducing you to one of them.
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s tem, da vas seznanim z eno od teh.
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Actually, the first time we recorded more than one neuron --
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Pravzaprav, prvič ko smo zabeležili več kot en nevron --
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a hundred brain cells simultaneously --
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na stotine možganskih celic hkrati -
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we could measure the electrical sparks
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smo lahko izmerili električne iskrice,
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of a hundred cells in the same animal,
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ki jih je proizvajalo sto celic iste živali,
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this is the first image we got,
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to je bila prva slika, ki smo jo dobili,
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the first 10 seconds of this recording.
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prvih 10 sekund tega posnetka.
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So we got a little snippet of a thought,
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Tako smo dobili majhen košček misli
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and we could see it in front of us.
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in lahko smo ga videli pred nami.
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I always tell the students
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Študentom vedno povem,
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that we could also call neuroscientists some sort of astronomer,
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da bi lahko nevroznanstvenikom rekli tudi neke vrste astronomi,
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because we are dealing with a system
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saj se ukvarjamo s sistemom,
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that is only comparable in terms of number of cells
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ki ga lahko zaradi števila celic primerjamo le s
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to the number of galaxies that we have in the universe.
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številom galaksij v vesolju.
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And here we are, out of billions of neurons,
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In tukaj smo, izmed milijarde nevronov
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just recording, 10 years ago, a hundred.
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smo jih pred 10 leti posneli le sto.
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We are doing a thousand now.
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Zdaj jih lahko že tisoč.
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And we hope to understand something fundamental about our human nature.
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In upamo, da bomo razumeli nekaj temeljnega o naši človeški naravi.
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Because, if you don't know yet,
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Kajti, če še ne veste,
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everything that we use to define what human nature is comes from these storms,
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vse, kar uporabljamo, da bi definirali, kaj je človeška narava, prihaja iz teh neviht,
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comes from these storms that roll over the hills and valleys of our brains
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prihaja iz teh neviht, ki se premikajo čez hribčke in doline naših možganov
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and define our memories, our beliefs,
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in določajo naše spomine, naša prepričanja,
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our feelings, our plans for the future.
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naše občutke, naše načrte za prihodnost.
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Everything that we ever do,
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Vse, kar kdajkoli naredimo,
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everything that every human has ever done, do or will do,
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vse, kar je katerikoli človek kdajkoli naredil, dela ali bo naredil,
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requires the toil of populations of neurons producing these kinds of storms.
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zahteva trdo delo populacij nevronov, ki proizvajajo takšne nevihte.
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And the sound of a brainstorm, if you've never heard one,
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In zvok možganske nevihte, če je še niste slišali,
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is somewhat like this.
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zveni nekako takole.
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You can put it louder if you can.
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Lahko date še bolj na glas, če gre.
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My son calls this "making popcorn while listening to a badly-tuned A.M. station."
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Moj sin temu pravi "pripravljanje pokovke med poslušanjem slabo uglašene A.M. postaje".
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This is a brain.
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To so možgani.
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This is what happens when you route these electrical storms to a loudspeaker
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To se zgodi, ko usmerite te električne nevihte v zvočnik
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and you listen to a hundred brain cells firing,
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in ko poslušate iskrenje stotine možganskih celic,
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your brain will sound like this -- my brain, any brain.
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vaši možgani bi zveneli tako -- moji, katerikoli.
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And what we want to do as neuroscientists in this time
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In kaj bi radi kot nevroznanstveniki zdaj naredili
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is to actually listen to these symphonies, these brain symphonies,
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je, da bi dejansko prisluhnili tem simfonijam, tem možganskim simfonijam,
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and try to extract from them the messages they carry.
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in da bi iz njih izluščili sporočila, ki jih nosijo.
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In particular, about 12 years ago
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Če smo bolj natančni, pred 12-imi leti
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we created a preparation that we named brain-machine interfaces.
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smo ustvarili pripravo, ki smo ji rekli vmesnik med možgani in strojem.
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And you have a scheme here that describes how it works.
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In tukaj je skica, ki kaže, kako ta deluje.
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The idea is, let's have some sensors that listen to these storms, this electrical firing,
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Ideja je ta: postavimo nekaj senzorjev, ki prisluškujejo tem nevihtam, tem električnim dražljajem
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and see if you can, in the same time that it takes
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in poglejmo, če lahko v istem času, kot ga potrebuje
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for this storm to leave the brain and reach the legs or the arms of an animal --
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ta nevihta, da zapusti možgane in doseže noge ali roke živali --
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about half a second --
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okoli pol sekunde --
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let's see if we can read these signals,
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poglejmo, če lahko preberemo te singale,
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extract the motor messages that are embedded in it,
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izluščimo motorična sporočila, ki so skrita v njih,
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translate it into digital commands
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jih prevedemo v digitalne ukaze
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and send it to an artificial device
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in jih pošljemo v umetno napravo,
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that will reproduce the voluntary motor wheel of that brain in real time.
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ki bo zagnala motorično kolesje v realnem času, tako kot možgani.
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And see if we can measure how well we can translate that message
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In poskusimo izmeriti, kako dobro lahko prevedemo to sporočilo
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when we compare to the way the body does that.
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v primerjavi s tem, kako to stori telo.
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And if we can actually provide feedback,
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In če lahko dejansko dobimo odziv,
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sensory signals that go back from this robotic, mechanical, computational actuator
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senzorične signale, ki gredo od tega robotskega, mehanskega, računalniškega pogona,
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that is now under the control of the brain,
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ki je zdaj pod kontrolo možganov,
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back to the brain,
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nazaj v možgane,
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how the brain deals with that,
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kako se ti soočijo z njimi,
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of receiving messages from an artificial piece of machinery.
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s sporočili, ki jih pošilja umetna naprava.
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And that's exactly what we did 10 years ago.
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In prav to smo storili pred 10-imi leti.
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We started with a superstar monkey called Aurora
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Začeli smo z zvezdniško opico Auroro,
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that became one of the superstars of this field.
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ki je postala prava zvezda tega področja.
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And Aurora liked to play video games.
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In Aurora je uživala v video igrah.
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As you can see here,
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Kot vidite tukaj,
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she likes to use a joystick, like any one of us, any of our kids, to play this game.
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pri tej igri zelo rada uporablja igralno palico, tako kot mi ali naši otroci.
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And as a good primate, she even tries to cheat before she gets the right answer.
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Kot pravi primat, skuša celo goljufati, preden ugane pravi odgovor.
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So even before a target appears that she's supposed to cross
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Torej, še preden se pojavi tarča, ki jo mora zadeti
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with the cursor that she's controlling with this joystick,
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s kurzorjem, ki ga upravlja z igralno palico,
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Aurora is trying to find the target, no matter where it is.
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skuša Aurora najti tarčo, ne glede na to, kje je.
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And if she's doing that,
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In, če to počne,
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because every time she crosses that target with the little cursor,
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zato ker vsakič, ko zadane tarčo s kurzorjem,
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she gets a drop of Brazilian orange juice.
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dobi kapljico brazilskega pomarančnega soka.
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And I can tell you, any monkey will do anything for you
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In lahko vam povem, vsaka opica bo naredila vse za vas,
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if you get a little drop of Brazilian orange juice.
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če ji ponudite malce brazilskega pomarančnega soka.
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Actually any primate will do that.
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Pravzaprav, vsak primat bi ravnal tako.
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Think about that.
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Razmislite malce.
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Well, while Aurora was playing this game, as you saw,
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No, medtem ko je Aurora igrala to igro, kot ste videli,
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and doing a thousand trials a day
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naredila je tisoč poskusov na dan
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and getting 97 percent correct and 350 milliliters of orange juice,
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in v 97% zadela ter zato dobila 350 mililitrov pomarančnega soka,
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we are recording the brainstorms that are produced in her head
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smo posneli možganske nevihte, ki so se odvile v njeni glavi
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and sending them to a robotic arm
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in jih poslali v robotsko roko
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that was learning to reproduce the movements that Aurora was making.
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ki se je učila, kako posnemati Aurorine gibe.
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Because the idea was to actually turn on this brain-machine interface
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Ideja je namreč bila, da vključimo ta vmesnik med možgani in strojem
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and have Aurora play the game just by thinking,
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in da Aurora igra igro samo z mislimi,
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without interference of her body.
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brez uporabe telesa.
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Her brainstorms would control an arm
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Njeni možgani bi nadzorovali roko,
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that would move the cursor and cross the target.
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ki bi premikala kurzor, da zadene tarčo.
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And to our shock, that's exactly what Aurora did.
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In na naše presenečenje, je Aurora točno to storila.
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She played the game without moving her body.
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Igrala je igrico brez da bi se premikala.
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So every trajectory that you see of the cursor now,
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Torej, vso premikanje kurzorja, ki ga vidimo,
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this is the exact first moment she got that.
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je prav ta prvi trenutek, ko je to dojela.
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That's the exact first moment
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Prvi trenutek,
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a brain intention was liberated from the physical domains of a body of a primate
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ko se je volja možganov osvobodila fizičnih domen telesa tega primata
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and could act outside, in that outside world,
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in je lahko delovala zunaj, v zunanjem svetu,
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just by controlling an artificial device.
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samo z usmerjanjem umetne naprave.
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And Aurora kept playing the game, kept finding the little target
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Aurora je kar naprej igrala in skušala najti majhno tarčo
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and getting the orange juice that she wanted to get, that she craved for.
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in za to dobila pomarančni sok, ki si ga je želela.
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Well, she did that because she, at that time, had acquired a new arm.
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No, to je naredila, ker je v tem času, dobila novo roko.
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The robotic arm that you see moving here 30 days later,
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Robotska roka, ki jo vidite, da se premika, mesec dni po
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after the first video that I showed to you,
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prvem posnetku, ki sem vam ga pokazal,
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is under the control of Aurora's brain
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je pod nadzorom Aurorinih možganov,
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and is moving the cursor to get to the target.
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ki premikajo kurzor, da zadene tarčo.
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And Aurora now knows that she can play the game with this robotic arm,
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Aurora se zaveda, da lahko igrico igra s to robotsko roko,
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but she has not lost the ability to use her biological arms to do what she pleases.
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ni pa izgubila sposobnosti, da uporablja svoji biološki roki, da počne, kar hoče.
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She can scratch her back, she can scratch one of us, she can play another game.
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Lahko si praska hrbet, lahko praska koga od nas, lahko igra drugo igrico.
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By all purposes and means,
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V vsakem pogledu so
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Aurora's brain has incorporated that artificial device
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Aurorini možgani sprejeli to umetno napravo
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as an extension of her body.
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kot podaljšek svojega telesa.
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The model of the self that Aurora had in her mind
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Predstavo o sebi, ki jo je imela Aurora
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has been expanded to get one more arm.
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se je razširila tako, da je dobila še eno roko.
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Well, we did that 10 years ago.
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To smo storili pred 10-imi leti.
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Just fast forward 10 years.
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Zdaj pa preskočimo 10 let.
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Just last year we realized that you don't even need to have a robotic device.
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Lani smo odkrili, da sploh ne potrebujemo robotske naprave.
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You can just build a computational body, an avatar, a monkey avatar.
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Lahko enostavno zgradimo računalniško telo, avatar, opico avatar.
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And you can actually use it for our monkeys to either interact with them,
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In ga lahko dejansko uporabimo za naše opice, da denimo komuniciramo z njimi,
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or you can train them to assume in a virtual world
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ali pa jih usposobimo, da v virtualnem svetu prevzamejo
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the first-person perspective of that avatar
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perspektivo avatarja v prvi osebi
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and use her brain activity to control the movements of the avatar's arms or legs.
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in uporabijo svoje možganske aktivnosti, da nadzorujejo premikanje avatarjevih rok in nog.
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And what we did basically was to train the animals
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In kar smo pravzaprav naredili je, da smo učili živali,
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to learn how to control these avatars
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kako naj upravljajo s temi avatarji
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and explore objects that appear in the virtual world.
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in odkrivajo predmete, ki se pojavijo v virtualnem svetu.
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And these objects are visually identical,
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In ti predmeti so vizualno identični,
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but when the avatar crosses the surface of these objects,
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toda, ko avatar dotakne površino teh predmetov,
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they send an electrical message that is proportional to the microtactile texture of the object
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ti pošljejo električna sporočila, ki so sorazmerna z mikro otipljivo teksturo predmeta,
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that goes back directly to the monkey's brain,
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neposredno nazaj v možgane opice
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informing the brain what it is the avatar is touching.
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in s tem obvesti možgane, kaj je to, česar se avatar dotika.
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And in just four weeks, the brain learns to process this new sensation
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Samo v štirih tednih se možgani naučijo obdelati te nove občutke
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and acquires a new sensory pathway -- like a new sense.
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in pridobijo novo senzorično pot -- kot nekakšen nov občutek.
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And you truly liberate the brain now
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In s tem zares osvobodimo možgane,
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because you are allowing the brain to send motor commands to move this avatar.
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ker jim dovolimo, da pošljejo motorična navodila, da premikajo avatar.
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And the feedback that comes from the avatar is being processed directly by the brain
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In odziv, ki pride od avatarja, možgani neposredno obdelajo
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without the interference of the skin.
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brez informacij, ki bi prišle skozi kožo.
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So what you see here is this is the design of the task.
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Torej, kar vidite je načrt opravila.
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You're going to see an animal basically touching these three targets.
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Videli boste žival, ki se v bistvu dotika teh treh tarč.
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And he has to select one because only one carries the reward,
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Izbrati mora eno, kajti le za eno se skriva nagrada:
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the orange juice that they want to get.
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pomarančni sok, ki si ga tako želi.
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And he has to select it by touch using a virtual arm, an arm that doesn't exist.
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Izbrati jo mora z dotikom, z virtualno roko, z roko, ki ne obstaja.
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And that's exactly what they do.
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In prav to bo naredila.
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This is a complete liberation of the brain
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To je popolna osvoboditev možganov
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from the physical constraints of the body and the motor in a perceptual task.
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od fizičnih preprek telesa in motorike v zaznavni nalogi.
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The animal is controlling the avatar to touch the targets.
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Žival upravlja z avatarjem, da bi se dotaknila tarče.
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And he's sensing the texture by receiving an electrical message directly in the brain.
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In ob tem zaznava teksturo, ker prejema električna sporočila neposredno v možgane.
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And the brain is deciding what is the texture associated with the reward.
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In možgani odločajo o tem, kakšna je tekstura, ki je povezana z nagrado.
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The legends that you see in the movie don't appear for the monkey.
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Legende, ki jih vidimo v filmih, se ne pojavijo pri opici.
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And by the way, they don't read English anyway,
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In mimogrede, tako ali tako ne znajo brati angleško,
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so they are here just for you to know that the correct target is shifting position.
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tako da so tu samo zato, da vidite, da prava tarča premika položaj.
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And yet, they can find them by tactile discrimination,
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In kljub temu, jo lahko odkrije na podlagi otipljivih razlik,
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and they can press it and select it.
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jo pritisne in izbere.
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So when we look at the brains of these animals,
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In ko pogledamo možgane teh živali,
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on the top panel you see the alignment of 125 cells
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na zgornjem grafu vidimo postavitev 125 celic,
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showing what happens with the brain activity, the electrical storms,
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ki kažejo, kaj se zgodi z možgansko aktivnostjo, električne nevihte
09:16
of this sample of neurons in the brain
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tega vzorca nevronov v možganih,
09:18
when the animal is using a joystick.
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ko žival uporablja igralno palico.
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And that's a picture that every neurophysiologist knows.
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In to je slika, ki jo pozna vsak nevrofiziolog.
09:23
The basic alignment shows that these cells are coding for all possible directions.
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Osnovna postavitev kaže, da te celice pošiljajo kode za vse možne smeri.
09:28
The bottom picture is what happens when the body stops moving
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Na spodnji sliki pa vidimo, kaj se zgodi, ko se telo neha premikati
09:34
and the animal starts controlling either a robotic device or a computational avatar.
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in žival začne upravljati bodisi z robotsko napravo ali računalniškim avatarjem.
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As fast as we can reset our computers,
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Takoj, ko resetiramo naše računalnike,
09:43
the brain activity shifts to start representing this new tool,
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se možganska aktivnost premakne, tako da začne predstavljati to novo orodje
09:49
as if this too was a part of that primate's body.
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kakor da je del živalskega telesa.
09:54
The brain is assimilating that too, as fast as we can measure.
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Možgani to asimilirajo tako hitro, kot mi lahko izmerimo.
09:59
So that suggests to us that our sense of self
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To nam torej namiguje, da se naše občutenje samega sebe
10:03
does not end at the last layer of the epithelium of our bodies,
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ne konča pri zadnjem sloju povrhnjice našega telesa
10:07
but it ends at the last layer of electrons of the tools that we're commanding with our brains.
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ampak se konča pri zadnjem sloju elektronov orodja, ki ga upravljamo z našimi možgani.
10:12
Our violins, our cars, our bicycles, our soccer balls, our clothing --
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Naše violine, naših avtomobilov, naših koles, naše nogometne žoge, naše obleke --
10:17
they all become assimilated by this voracious, amazing, dynamic system called the brain.
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vse se asimilira s tem neutrudnim, neverjetnim, dinamičnim sistemom, ki mu rečemo možgani.
10:24
How far can we take it?
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Kako daleč lahko gremo?
10:26
Well, in an experiment that we ran a few years ago, we took this to the limit.
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No, v poskusu, ki smo ga opravili pred nekaj leti, smo prišli do meje.
10:30
We had an animal running on a treadmill
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Žival smo spravili v tek na tekočem traku
10:32
at Duke University on the East Coast of the United States,
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na Duke Univerzi na Vzhodni obali Združenih držav,
10:35
producing the brainstorms necessary to move.
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tako da smo proizvajali možganske nevihte, ki so povzročale gibanje.
10:37
And we had a robotic device, a humanoid robot,
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Imeli smo robotsko napravo,
10:42
in Kyoto, Japan at ATR Laboratories
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v ATR laboratorijih v Kjotu, na Japonskem,
10:44
that was dreaming its entire life to be controlled by a brain,
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ki je vse svoje življenje sanjal o tem, da bi ga vodili možgani,
10:50
a human brain, or a primate brain.
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človeški možgani ali možgani kakšnega primata.
10:53
What happens here is that the brain activity that generated the movements in the monkey
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Kaj se je zgodilo tukaj: možgansko aktivnost, ki je proizvedla premikanje opice,
10:58
was transmitted to Japan and made this robot walk
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so prenesli na Japonsko in tako spravili robota v gibanje,
11:01
while footage of this walking was sent back to Duke,
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medtem ko so posnetek te hoje poslali nazaj na Duke,
11:05
so that the monkey could see the legs of this robot walking in front of her.
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da je lahko opica videla noge robota, kako hodijo pred njo.
11:11
So she could be rewarded, not by what her body was doing
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Tako je dobila nagrado, ne zato, ker bi naredila nekaj s svojim telesom,
11:15
but for every correct step of the robot on the other side of the planet
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pač pa za vsak pravilen korak robota na drugem koncu planeta,
11:20
controlled by her brain activity.
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ki ga je upravljala s svojimi možgani.
11:22
Funny thing, that round trip around the globe took 20 milliseconds less
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Smešno je, da je je to potovanje okoli zemlje trajalo 20 milisekund manj
11:29
than it takes for that brainstorm to leave its head, the head of the monkey,
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kot potrebuje možganska nevihta, da zapusti glavo, torej glavo opice,
11:34
and reach its own muscle.
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in doseže njeno lastno mišico.
11:37
The monkey was moving a robot that was six times bigger, across the planet.
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Opica je premikala robota, ki je bil šest krat večji od nje in na drugem koncu planeta.
11:43
This is one of the experiments in which that robot was able to walk autonomously.
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To je eden od eksperimentov, v katerem robot lahko samostojno hodi.
11:50
This is CB1 fulfilling its dream in Japan
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To je CB1, ki uresničuje svoje sanje na Japonskem,
11:55
under the control of the brain activity of a primate.
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s pomočjo možganske aktivnosti opice.
11:59
So where are we taking all this?
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Kam torej vodi vse to?
12:01
What are we going to do with all this research,
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Kaj bomo naredili s to raziskavo,
12:03
besides studying the properties of this dynamic universe that we have between our ears?
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razen seveda, da bomo preučili lastnosti tega dinamičnega vesolja, ki je med našimi ušesi?
12:09
Well the idea is to take all this knowledge and technology
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No, ideja je, da bi vzeli vso to znanje in tehnologijo
12:14
and try to restore one of the most severe neurological problems that we have in the world.
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in skušali odpraviti eno največjih nevroloških težav, ki jih imamo.
12:19
Millions of people have lost the ability to translate these brainstorms
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Milijoni ljudi so izgubili zmožnost, da prevedejo te možganske nevihte
12:24
into action, into movement.
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v dejanje, v gibanje.
12:26
Although their brains continue to produce those storms and code for movements,
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Čeprav njihovi možgani še naprej proizvajajo te nevihte in kodirajo gibanje,
12:31
they cannot cross a barrier that was created by a lesion on the spinal cord.
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ne morejo prečkati ovire, ki jo je ustvarila poškodba hrbtenjače.
12:36
So our idea is to create a bypass,
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Naša zamisel je torej, da bi naredili obvod,
12:39
is to use these brain-machine interfaces to read these signals,
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da bi uporabili te vmesnike med možgani in napravo, ki bi brali te signale,
12:43
larger-scale brainstorms that contain the desire to move again,
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obsežnejše možganske nevihte, ki vsebujejo željo po premikanju,
12:47
bypass the lesion using computational microengineering
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da bi obšli poškodbo z uporabo računalniškega mikroinženiringa
12:51
and send it to a new body, a whole body called an exoskeleton,
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in jih poslali novemu telesu, telesu, ki mu pravimo eksoskelet,
12:58
a whole robotic suit that will become the new body of these patients.
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celotna robotska obleka, ki bi postala novo telo teh bolnikov.
13:03
And you can see an image produced by this consortium.
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In tukaj vidite sliko, ki jo je ustvaril ta konzorcij.
13:08
This is a nonprofit consortium called the Walk Again Project
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To je neprofitni konzorcij, ki se imenuje projekt "Znova shodi"
13:12
that is putting together scientists from Europe,
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in združuje znanstvenike iz Evrope,
13:14
from here in the United States, and in Brazil
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iz Združenih držav Amerike in Brazilije,
13:16
together to work to actually get this new body built --
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ki si skupaj prizadevajo, da bi dejansko naredili to novo telo --
13:21
a body that we believe, through the same plastic mechanisms
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telo, za katerega verjamemo, da bo šlo skozi iste plastične mehanizme,
13:24
that allow Aurora and other monkeys to use these tools through a brain-machine interface
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ki dopuščajo, da Aurora in ostale opice, uporabljajo ta orodja preko vmesnika med možgani in napravo,
13:30
and that allows us to incorporate the tools that we produce and use in our daily life.
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kar nam omogoča, da vključimo orodja, ki jih proizvajamo in uporabljamo v vsakdanjem življenju.
13:36
This same mechanism, we hope, will allow these patients,
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Ta isti mehanizem, upamo, bo omogočil tem bolnikom,
13:39
not only to imagine again the movements that they want to make
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ne le, da si znova zamislijo gibe, ki bi jih radi naredili
13:43
and translate them into movements of this new body,
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in jih prevedejo v gibanje tega novega telesa,
13:46
but for this body to be assimilated as the new body that the brain controls.
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ampak, da bo to telo sprejeto kot novo telo, ki ga upravljajo možgani.
13:53
So I was told about 10 years ago
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Pred 10 leti so mi rekli,
13:57
that this would never happen, that this was close to impossible.
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da se to ne bo nikoli zgodilo, da je to skoraj nemogoče.
14:02
And I can only tell you that as a scientist,
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In kot znanstvenik vam lahko povem le,
14:04
I grew up in southern Brazil in the mid-'60s
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da sem med odraščanjem na jugu Brazilije sredi 60. let,
14:07
watching a few crazy guys telling [us] that they would go to the Moon.
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opazoval nekaj norcev, ki so govorili, da bodo šli na Luno.
14:12
And I was five years old,
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Imel sem 5 let
14:14
and I never understood why NASA didn't hire Captain Kirk and Spock to do the job;
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in nikoli nisem razumel, zakaj Nasa za ta podvig ni najela kapitana Kirka in Spocka;
14:18
after all, they were very proficient --
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konec koncev, so to obvladali --
14:20
but just seeing that as a kid
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ampak ko sem to videl kot otrok
14:24
made me believe, as my grandmother used to tell me,
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sem začel verjeti, kar mi je nekoč babica govorila,
14:27
that "impossible is just the possible
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da je "nemogoče - mogoče,
14:29
that someone has not put in enough effort to make it come true."
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za katerega se nekdo ni dovolj potrudil, da bi se uresničilo."
14:33
So they told me that it's impossible to make someone walk.
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Tako so mi torej dejali, da je nemogoče, da nekdo znova shodi.
14:36
I think I'm going to follow my grandmother's advice.
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Mislim, da bom sledil babičin nasvet.
14:40
Thank you.
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Hvala za pozornost.
14:41
(Applause)
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