What makes a friendship last? | Am I Normal? with Mona Chalabi

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ไธ‹ใฎ่‹ฑ่ชžๅญ—ๅน•ใ‚’ใƒ€ใƒ–ใƒซใ‚ฏใƒชใƒƒใ‚ฏใ™ใ‚‹ใจๅ‹•็”ปใ‚’ๅ†็”Ÿใงใใพใ™ใ€‚

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I've moved about 20 times in my life.
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็ฟป่จณ: Haruka Shimizu ๆ กๆญฃ: Yasushi Aoki
็งใฏไบบ็”Ÿใง๏ผ’๏ผๅ›žใปใฉ ๅผ•่ถŠใ—ใ‚’ใ—ใฆใใพใ—ใŸ
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And each time that I move to a new neighborhood, a new city, a new country,
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ๆ–ฐใ—ใ„ๅœฐๅŸŸใ€ๆ–ฐใ—ใ„่ก—ใ€ ๆ–ฐใ—ใ„ๅ›ฝใธๅผ•่ถŠใ—ใ‚’ใ™ใ‚‹ใŸใณใซ
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it seems to get harder and harder to sustain the friendships I left behind.
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ๆฎ‹ใ—ใฆใใŸๅ‹้”ใจใฏ ้–ขไฟ‚ใ‚’ไฟใกใซใใใชใ‚Šใพใ™ใŒ
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But right now,
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ไปŠๆ—ฅใซใŠใ„ใฆ ใใ†ใ„ใ†้–ขไฟ‚ใ‚’ไฟใคใ“ใจใฏ
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sustaining those friendships seems especially important
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ใจใ‚Šใ‚ใ‘้‡่ฆใงใ‚‚ใ‚ใ‚Œใฐ
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and especially difficult.
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ใจใ‚Šใ‚ใ‘้›ฃใ—ใ„ใ“ใจใงใ‚‚ใ‚ใ‚Š
00:16
So I'm wondering what is manageable?
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ไฝ•ใ‹ใงใใ‚‹ใ“ใจใฏใชใ„ใ‹ใจ ่€ƒใˆใฆใ„ใพใ™
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How can I keep those friendships afloat without getting overwhelmed?
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ใฉใ†ใ™ใ‚Œใฐ็„ก็†ใชใ ๅ‹ๆƒ…ใ‚’ไฟใฆใ‚‹ใ‚‚ใฎใ‹ใจ
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[Am I Normal? with Mona Chalabi]
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ใ‚ทใƒชใƒผใ‚บใ€ŒใƒขใƒŠใƒปใƒใƒฃใƒฉใƒ“ใƒผใฎ โ€œ็งใฃใฆๆ™ฎ้€šใชใฎ๏ผŸโ€ใ€
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To find out, I turned to my two most trusted sources:
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ใใฎ็ญ”ใˆใ‚’่ฆ‹ใคใ‘ใ‚‹ใŸใ‚ใซ ๆœ€ใ‚‚ไฟก้ ผใงใใ‚‹ๆƒ…ๅ ฑๆบใ‚’้ ผใ‚‹ใ“ใจใซใ—ใพใ—ใŸ
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data and my mum.
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ใƒ‡ใƒผใ‚ฟใจ ็งใฎๆฏใงใ™
00:30
Now, since she hates being on camera,
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ๆฏใฏใ‚ซใƒกใƒฉใซๆ˜ ใ‚‹ใฎใŒ ๅซŒใ„ใชใฎใง
00:32
this puppet is going to be as good as it gets.
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ใจใ‚Šใ‚ใˆใšใ“ใฎใƒ‘ใƒšใƒƒใƒˆใ‚’ ไฝฟใ†ใ“ใจใซใ—ใพใ™ใŒ
00:34
But before she weighs in,
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ๆฏใฎ่ฉฑใ‚’่žใๅ‰ใซ
ๅ‹ๆƒ…ใฏใฉใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซๅคฑใ‚ใ‚Œใ‚‹ใฎใ‹ ใซใคใ„ใฆใฎ็ ”็ฉถใ‚’่ฆ‹ใฆ
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I wanted to look at the studies on how friendships fall apart
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in the hopes that I might be able to avoid some of those pitfalls.
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็ฝ ใ‚’้ฟใ‘ใ‚‰ใ‚Œใ‚‹ใ‚ˆใ†ใซ ใ—ใพใ—ใ‚‡ใ†
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According to one study,
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ใ‚ใ‚‹็ ”็ฉถใซใ‚ˆใ‚‹ใจ
00:44
friendships often dissolve because of a lack of opportunity
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ไผšใ†ใ€ไธ€็ท’ใซ้Šใถใ€้€ฃ็ตกใ‚’ๅ–ใ‚‹ใชใฉใฎ ๆฉŸไผšใŒๆธ›ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใซใ‚ˆใฃใฆ
00:46
to meet, hang out and connect.
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ไบคๅ‹้–ขไฟ‚ใŒใชใใชใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒ ๅคšใ„ใ‚ˆใ†ใงใ™
00:49
Which may explain why, after a year of isolation,
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ใใฎใŸใ‚ใ‹ ๏ผ‘ๅนด้›ขใ‚Œใฆใ„ใŸ ็งใฎๅ‹ไบบใฎไธญใซใฏ
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some of my friendships feel like they're hanging on by a thread.
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ใ“ใฎใพใพๅ‹้”ใงใ„ใ‚‰ใ‚Œใ‚‹ใ‹ ๅฑใ†ใ„ใจๆ€ใ†ไบบใ‚‚ใ„ใพใ™
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The same researcher made headlines
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ๅŒใ˜็ ”็ฉถ่€…ใซใ‚ˆใ‚‹ ่ฉฑ้กŒใซใชใฃใŸ็ ”็ฉถใฏ
00:56
with the finding that we lose half of our friendships every seven years.
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็งใŸใกใŒ๏ผ—ๅนดใŠใใซๅ‹ไบบใฎๅŠๅˆ†ใ‚’ ๅคฑใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚’ๆ˜Žใ‚‰ใ‹ใซใ—ใฆใ„ใพใ™
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Now, before you start doomscrolling through your contact list,
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ใ”่‡ชๅˆ†ใฎ้›ป่ฉฑๅธณใ‚’ ใƒใ‚งใƒƒใ‚ฏใ—ๅง‹ใ‚ใ‚‹ๅ‰ใซ่จ€ใฃใฆใŠใใจ
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you should know that's not quite as severe as it sounds.
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ใ“ใ‚Œใฏๆ€ใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใปใฉ ใฒใฉใ„ใ“ใจใงใฏใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ›ใ‚“
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Over those seven years,
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ใใฎ๏ผ—ๅนดใฎ้–“ใซ
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the size of our friendship group actually stays pretty stable.
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ๅ‹ไบบใฎๆ•ฐใฏ ใใ‚Œใปใฉๅค‰ใ‚ใ‚‰ใชใ„ใฎใงใ™
01:10
So if you have 20 or 30 good friends now,
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ไพ‹ใˆใฐ ไปŠ๏ผ’๏ผใ€œ๏ผ“๏ผไบบใฎ ไปฒใฎ่‰ฏใ„ๅ‹้”ใŒใ„ใŸใจใ™ใ‚‹ใจ
01:12
seven years later,
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๏ผ—ๅนดๅพŒใ‚‚
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you still probably have 20 or 30 good friends.
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ใŸใถใ‚“๏ผ’๏ผใ€œ๏ผ“๏ผไบบใฎ ไปฒใฎ่‰ฏใ„ๅ‹้”ใŒใ„ใฆ
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The catch, though, is that 52 percent of those faces will be different.
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ใŸใ  ใใฎใ†ใกใฎ๏ผ•๏ผ’๏ผ…ใฏ ้•ใ†ไบบใซใชใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†
01:20
Over seven years,
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๏ผ—ๅนด้–“ใง
01:21
we will replace many of the people in our network with new ones.
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ไป˜ใๅˆใ„ใฎใ‚ใ‚‹ไบบใฎๅคšใใŒ ๆ–ฐใ—ใ„ไบบใซๅ…ฅใ‚Œๆ›ฟใ‚ใ‚‹ใฎใงใ™
01:25
As someone who has had to work more and more from home,
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ๅฎถใงไป•ไบ‹ใ‚’ใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒ ๅคšใ„ไบบ้–“ใจใ—ใฆ
01:28
the opportunity to go out and make new friends is pretty limited.
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่ก—ใซๅ‡บใฆๅ‹้”ใ‚’ไฝœใ‚‹ๆฉŸไผšใฏ ้™ใ‚‰ใ‚ŒใฆใŠใ‚Š
01:31
It's a luxury I don't often have.
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็งใซใฏใ‚ใพใ‚Šใงใใชใ„่ด…ๆฒขใงใ™
01:33
And the research on the formation of new friends
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ใใ—ใฆ ๅ‹ๆƒ…ๅฝขๆˆใซ้–ขใ™ใ‚‹ ็ ”็ฉถใซใ‚ˆใ‚‹ใจ
01:35
suggest that this takes time.
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ๅ‹ๆƒ…ใ‚’่‚ฒใ‚€ใซใฏ ๆ™‚้–“ใŒใ‹ใ‹ใ‚‹ใ‚‚ใฎใงใ™
01:37
A lot of time.
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ใจใฆใ‚‚้•ทใ„ๆ™‚้–“ใŒ
01:38
A recent study found
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ๆœ€่ฟ‘ใฎ็ ”็ฉถใงใฏ
01:40
that you have to spend between 40 and 60 hours with someone
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็Ÿฅใ‚Šๅˆใ„ใ‹ใ‚‰ ่ปฝใ„ๅ‹ไบบ้–ขไฟ‚ใซใชใ‚‹ใพใงใซ
01:43
before they can go from an acquaintance to a casual friend.
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๏ผ”๏ผใ€œ๏ผ–๏ผๆ™‚้–“ใปใฉไธ€็ท’ใซ้Žใ”ใ™ ๅฟ…่ฆใŒใ‚ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใŒใ‚ใ‹ใ‚Šใพใ—ใŸ
01:47
They get upgraded to a fully fledged friend
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ไปฒใฎ่‰ฏใ„ๅ‹้”ใซใชใ‚‹ใซใฏ
01:49
around 80 to 100 hours,
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็ด„๏ผ˜๏ผใ€œ๏ผ‘๏ผ๏ผๆ™‚้–“ใ‹ใ‹ใ‚Š
01:52
and get elevated to a best friend
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่ฆชๅ‹ใจใชใ‚‹ใจ
01:54
after you spend at least 200 hours of quality time together.
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็Ÿญใใฆใ‚‚๏ผ’๏ผ๏ผๆ™‚้–“ใฏๅ……ๅฎŸใ—ใŸๆ™‚้–“ใ‚’ ๅ…ฑใซ้Žใ”ใ™ๅฟ…่ฆใŒใ‚ใ‚Šใพใ™
01:58
And the emphasis here is on quality time.
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ใ“ใ“ใง้‡่ฆใชใฎใฏ ๅ…ฑใซ้Žใ”ใ™ๆ™‚้–“ใฎ่ณชใงใ™
02:00
You might say "hi" to a barista every morning
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ใ€ŒใŠใฏใ‚ˆใ†ใ€ใจๆฏŽๆœ ใƒใƒชใ‚นใ‚ฟใซ่จ€ใฃใŸใ‚Š
02:03
or be polite to a coworker,
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ๅŒๅƒšใซไธๅฏงใซๆŽฅใ—ใŸใ‚Š ใ™ใ‚‹ใ‹ใ‚‚ใ—ใ‚Œใพใ›ใ‚“ใŒ
02:04
but you wouldn't necessarily invite either one over for dinner.
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ใฉใกใ‚‰ใ‚‚้ฃŸไบ‹ใซๆ‹›ๅพ… ใ—ใŸใ‚Šใฏใ—ใพใ›ใ‚“
02:08
I was feeling a little bit daunted by all of these numbers
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็งใฏใใ†ใ„ใ†ๆ•ฐๅญ—ใ‚’่ฆ‹ใฆ ๅฐ‘ใ—ไธๅฎ‰ใซใชใฃใฆใ„ใพใ—ใŸใŒ
02:11
until I spoke to my mum,
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็งใฎๆฏใฏ
02:12
who has a more optimistic take on all of this.
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ใใ“ใพใงๆ‚ฒ่ฆณ็š„ใงใฏ ใชใ„ใ‚ˆใ†ใงใ™
02:15
"A friendship is essential in your life.
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ใ€Œๅ‹ๆƒ…ใฏไบบ็”Ÿใซๅฟ…่ฆไธๅฏๆฌ ใ ใ‚ˆ
02:18
How does friendship start?
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ๅ‹ๆƒ…ใฏใฉใ†ๅง‹ใพใ‚‹ใ‹ใ„๏ผŸ
02:20
The first thing is to know that person.
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ใพใšใฏ็›ธๆ‰‹ใ‚’็Ÿฅใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ•
02:22
If you don't want to know these people,
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ใ‚‚ใ—็›ธๆ‰‹ใ‚’็Ÿฅใ‚ใ†ใจใ—ใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐ
02:25
if you don't open a window of communication,
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ใ‚‚ใ—ๅฟƒใ‚’้€šใ˜ใ‚‹ใŸใ‚ใฎ็ช“ใ‚’ ้–‹ใ‹ใชใ‘ใ‚Œใฐ
02:28
you will never become friends of them.
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ใ„ใคใพใงใ‚‚ๅ‹้”ใซใชใ‚‹ใ“ใจใฏ ใงใใ‚„ใ—ใชใ„
02:31
You have to start.
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่‡ชๅˆ†ใ‹ใ‚‰ๅง‹ใ‚ใชใใ‚ƒ
02:32
If you want to be isolated,
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ใ‚‚ใ—ๅญค็‹ฌใ‚’ๆœ›ใ‚€ใฎใชใ‚‰
02:34
you just shut your windows and look at them,
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ๅฟƒใฎ็ช“ใ‚’้–‰ใ‚ใฆ ็›ธๆ‰‹ใ‚’่ฆ‹ใŸใ‚‰ใ„ใ„
02:36
and they don't look at you."
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็›ธๆ‰‹ใฏใ‚ใชใŸใฎใ“ใจใ‚’ ่ฆ‹ใฏใ—ใชใ„ใ‹ใ‚‰ใ€
02:38
OK, so yes, if I really, really want to make a new friendship,
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ใ ใ‹ใ‚‰ ใ‚‚ใ—็งใŒใฉใ†ใ—ใฆใ‚‚ๆ–ฐใ—ใ„ ไบคๅ‹้–ขไฟ‚ใ‚’็ฏ‰ใใŸใ‹ใฃใŸใ‚‰
02:42
I could go out and make the effort to make a new friend by, say,
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ๅ‹้”ใ‚’ไฝœใ‚‹ใŸใ‚ใซ ๅ‡บใ‹ใ‘ใฆ่กŒใฃใฆ
ไพ‹ใˆใฐ ๅฐ‘ใ—้Ÿณๆฅฝใฎ้Ÿณ้‡ใŒ ๅคงใใ™ใŽใ‚‹ใŠ้šฃใ•ใ‚“ใซ
02:46
knocking on my neighbor's door,
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02:47
who plays really good music a bit too loudly.
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ไธ€่จ€ๆŒจๆ‹ถใ™ใ‚‹ใ“ใจใ‚‚ใงใใพใ™
02:49
But what about my current group of friends?
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ใงใ‚‚ ไปŠๆŒใฃใฆใ„ใ‚‹ๅ‹้”ใฏ ใฉใ†ใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†๏ผŸ
02:52
Are we all doomed just because we don't get the chance
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ๅ‰ใฎใ‚ˆใ†ใซๅค–ๅ‡บใŒ ใงใใชใ„ใ›ใ„ใง
02:54
to hang out like we used to?
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ใฟใ‚“ใช็ต‚ใ‚ใ‚Šใซใชใฃใฆ ใ—ใพใ†ใฎใงใ—ใ‚‡ใ†ใ‹๏ผŸ
02:56
"I think yes, with the friends,
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ใ€Œใใ†ใ ใญ ๅ‹้”ใจใฎ่ท้›ขใฏ
02:58
the distance gets further and further if you are not meeting them.
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ไผšใ‚ใšใซใ„ใ‚‹ใปใฉ ้›ขใ‚Œใฆใ—ใพใ†ใ‚‚ใฎใ ใ‘ใฉ
03:03
But it also shows you the ones
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ๆ™‚้–“ใ‚„่ท้›ขใซใ‚ˆใฃใฆใ‚‚
03:06
that don't disappear because of the time or the distance.
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ๆถˆใˆใฆใ—ใพใ‚ใชใ„ๅ‹้”ใŒ ่ชฐใชใฎใ‹ใ‚‚ใ‚ใ‹ใ‚Š
03:11
They will be there for you if you need them.
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ใใ‚Œใฏใ‚ใชใŸใŒๅฟ…่ฆใชๆ™‚ใซ ใใฐใซใ„ใฆใใ‚Œใ‚‹ไบบใ‚ˆ
03:14
So the special friends.
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็‰นๅˆฅใชๅ‹้”ใญ
03:16
And this difficult time shows you who cares
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่ชฐใŒๆฐ—ใซใ‹ใ‘ใฆใใ‚Œใ‚‹ใฎใ‹ ่ชฐใŒ่‰ฏใ„ไบบ ่‰ฏใ„ๅ‹ไบบใชใฎใ‹ใŒ
03:19
and who is a good person or a good friend."
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ใ“ใ†ใ„ใ†่‹ฆใ—ใ„ๆ™‚ๆœŸใซ ่ฆ‹ใˆใ‚‹ใ‚‚ใฎใชใฎใ€
03:24
I think she's right.
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ใใฎ้€šใ‚Šใ ใจๆ€ใ„ใพใ™
03:25
I don't think there's a magical formula
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ๅ‹้”ใซใชใ‚‹ใŸใ‚ใฎ ้ญ”ๆณ•ใฎๅ…ฌๅผใ‚„
03:27
or a mythical number of hours to chase.
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ๆฑบใพใฃใŸๆ™‚้–“ใชใฉใชใ
03:29
This just takes time and effort.
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ใŸใ  ๆ™‚้–“ใจๅŠชๅŠ›ใŒ ๅฟ…่ฆใชใ ใ‘ใงใ™
03:31
So if you'll excuse me,
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ใใ‚Œใงใฏๅคฑ็คผใ—ใพใ™
03:32
I have a good friend that I need to call.
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ใ“ใ‚Œใ‹ใ‚‰้›ป่ฉฑใ™ใ‚‹ไบˆๅฎšใฎ ่ฆชๅ‹ใŒใ„ใพใ™ใฎใง
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