What makes a friendship last? | Am I Normal? with Mona Chalabi

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μ•„λž˜ μ˜λ¬Έμžλ§‰μ„ λ”λΈ”ν΄λ¦­ν•˜μ‹œλ©΄ μ˜μƒμ΄ μž¬μƒλ©λ‹ˆλ‹€.

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I've moved about 20 times in my life.
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λ²ˆμ—­: Jiwon Lee κ²€ν† : DK Kim
μ €λŠ” μ‚΄λ©΄μ„œ 슀무 번 정도 μ΄μ‚¬ν–ˆμ–΄μš”.
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And each time that I move to a new neighborhood, a new city, a new country,
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μƒˆλ‘œμš΄ 동넀, λ„μ‹œ, λ‚˜λΌλ‘œ λ– λ‚  λ•Œλ§ˆλ‹€ 느끼기λ₯Ό
μ΄μ „μ˜ 관계듀을 이어가기가 점점 더 νž˜λ“€μ–΄μ§€λ”κ΅°μš”.
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it seems to get harder and harder to sustain the friendships I left behind.
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But right now,
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ν•˜μ§€λ§Œ μš”μ¦˜ 같은 λ•Œμ—λŠ” 관계λ₯Ό μœ μ§€ν•˜λŠ” 것이 특히 μ€‘μš”ν•˜κ³ 
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sustaining those friendships seems especially important
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and especially difficult.
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또, 특히 어렡기도 ν•˜μ£ .
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So I'm wondering what is manageable?
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κ·Έλž˜μ„œ μš°λ¦¬κ°€ ν•  수 μžˆλŠ” 게 무엇이 μžˆμ„μ§€ κΆκΈˆν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
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How can I keep those friendships afloat without getting overwhelmed?
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λ„ˆλ¬΄ νž˜λ“€μ΄μ§€ μ•Šκ³  관계λ₯Ό μœ μ§€ν•˜λŠ” λ°©λ²•μ—λŠ” μ–΄λ–€ 것듀이 μžˆμ„κΉŒμš”?
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[Am I Normal? with Mona Chalabi]
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[λͺ¨λ‚˜ 찰라비와 ν•¨κ»˜ν•˜λŠ” λ‚˜λŠ” μ •μƒμΈκ°€μš”?]
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To find out, I turned to my two most trusted sources:
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이것을 μ•Œμ•„λ³΄λ €κ³  κ°€μž₯ λ―ΏμŒμ§ν•œ 정보원 λ‘˜μ„ μ°Ύμ•˜μ–΄μš”.
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data and my mum.
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λ°”λ‘œ ν†΅κ³„μΉ˜μ™€ 저희 μ–΄λ¨Έλ‹ˆμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
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Now, since she hates being on camera,
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μ–΄λ¨Έλ‹ˆλŠ” 카메라 μ•žμ— μ„œκΈ°λ₯Ό μ‹«μ–΄ν•΄μ„œ μ•„μ‰¬μš΄ λŒ€λ‘œ 이 μΈν˜•μ„ μΌμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
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this puppet is going to be as good as it gets.
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But before she weighs in,
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ν•˜μ§€λ§Œ μ–΄λ¨Έλ‹ˆκ°€ λ“±μž₯ν•˜κΈ° 전에,
λ¨Όμ € μ‚΄νŽ΄λ³Ό λ‚΄μš©μ€ 친ꡬ 관계가 μ–΄λ–»κ²Œ λ©€μ–΄μ§€λŠ”μ§€μ— κ΄€ν•œ 연ꡬ인데,
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I wanted to look at the studies on how friendships fall apart
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in the hopes that I might be able to avoid some of those pitfalls.
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그런 μœ„ν—˜μ„ μ–΄λŠ 정도 ν”Όν•  수 있게 되기λ₯Ό 바라며 μ‹œμž‘ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
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According to one study,
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μ–΄λŠ 쑰사에 λ”°λ₯΄λ©΄
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friendships often dissolve because of a lack of opportunity
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μ„œλ‘œ λ§Œλ‚˜μ„œ μ–΄μšΈλ¦¬κ³  μ†Œν†΅ν•˜λŠ” κΈ°νšŒκ°€ λΆ€μ‘±ν•œ κ²½μš°μ—
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to meet, hang out and connect.
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친ꡬ 관계가 μ‰½κ²Œ 멀어진닀고 ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
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Which may explain why, after a year of isolation,
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그게 λ°”λ‘œ μ½”λ‘œλ‚˜ 팬데믹이 뢈러온 일 λ…„κ°„μ˜ 거리두기 이후
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some of my friendships feel like they're hanging on by a thread.
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제 λͺ‡λͺ‡ 친ꡬ 관계가 μœ„νƒœλ‘­κ²Œ λŠκ»΄μ§€λŠ” 이유겠죠.
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The same researcher made headlines
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그리고 같은 μ—°κ΅¬μžκ°€ 또 ν•œ 번 머리기사에 μ˜¬λžλŠ”λ°
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with the finding that we lose half of our friendships every seven years.
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μΉ  년이면 친ꡬ κ΄€κ³„μ˜ 절반이 μ‚¬λΌμ§„λ‹€λŠ” μ—°κ΅¬μ˜€μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
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Now, before you start doomscrolling through your contact list,
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μ§€κΈˆ μ—¬λŸ¬λΆ„μ΄ λ‹€κΈ‰ν•˜κ²Œ μ—°λ½μ²˜ λͺ©λ‘μ„ 훑어보기 전에
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you should know that's not quite as severe as it sounds.
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사싀 κ·Έλ ‡κ²Œ μ‹¬κ°ν•œ 상황은 μ•„λ‹ˆλΌλŠ” 말씀을 λ“œλ¦¬κ³  μ‹Άμ–΄μš”.
μ§€λ‚œ 7λ…„κ°„, 우리의 인간관계 ν¬κΈ°λŠ” 사싀 크게 λ³€ν•˜μ§€ μ•Šμ•˜μ–΄μš”.
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Over those seven years,
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the size of our friendship group actually stays pretty stable.
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So if you have 20 or 30 good friends now,
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즉, ν˜„μž¬ 쒋은 μΉœκ΅¬κ°€ 이삼십 λͺ… μžˆλ‹€λ©΄
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seven years later,
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7λ…„ 후에도 쒋은 μΉœκ΅¬κ°€ 이삼십 λͺ… 정도 μžˆμ„ κ±°μ˜ˆμš”.
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you still probably have 20 or 30 good friends.
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The catch, though, is that 52 percent of those faces will be different.
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λ‹€λ§Œ 그쀑 52νΌμ„ΌνŠΈλŠ” μƒˆ 얼꡴일 κ²λ‹ˆλ‹€.
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Over seven years,
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μΉ  λ…„ λ™μ•ˆ
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we will replace many of the people in our network with new ones.
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μΈκ°„κ΄€κ³„μ—μ„œ λ§Žμ€ μ‚¬λžŒλ“€μ„ μƒˆλ‘œμš΄ μ‚¬λžŒλ“€λ‘œ λŒ€μ²΄ν•  κ±°μ˜ˆμš”.
01:25
As someone who has had to work more and more from home,
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μ§‘μ—μ„œ μΌν•˜λŠ” μ‹œκ°„μ΄ 점점 더 λ§Žμ•„μ§€λŠ” μ‚¬λžŒμ—κ²ŒλŠ”
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the opportunity to go out and make new friends is pretty limited.
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밖에 λ‚˜κ°€ μƒˆ 친ꡬλ₯Ό μ‚¬κ·ˆ κΈ°νšŒκ°€ λͺΉμ‹œ ν•œμ •λ˜μ–΄ μžˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
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It's a luxury I don't often have.
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맀번 λˆ„λ¦΄ 수 μ—†λŠ” μ‚¬μΉ˜μ£ .
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And the research on the formation of new friends
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연ꡬ에 λ”°λ₯΄λ©΄ μƒˆλ‘œ 친ꡬλ₯Ό μ‚¬κ·€λŠ” κ³Όμ •μ—λŠ”
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suggest that this takes time.
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μ‹œκ°„μ΄ κ±Έλ¦°λ‹€κ³  ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
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A lot of time.
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κ½€ 였랜 μ‹œκ°„μ΄ κ±Έλ¦½λ‹ˆλ‹€.
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A recent study found
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또 λ‹€λ₯Έ 졜근 μ—°κ΅¬μ—μ„œ
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that you have to spend between 40 and 60 hours with someone
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40μ‹œκ°„μ—μ„œ 60μ‹œκ°„ μ •λ„λŠ” ν•¨κ»˜ 보내야
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before they can go from an acquaintance to a casual friend.
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μ§€μΈμ—μ„œ κ°€λ²Όμš΄ 친ꡬ κ΄€κ³„λ‘œ λ„˜μ–΄κ°ˆ 수 μžˆλ‹€κ³  λ°ν˜”μŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
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They get upgraded to a fully fledged friend
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μ§„μ •ν•œ μš°μ •μ„ λ‚˜λˆ„λŠ” μΉœκ΅¬κ°€ 되렀면
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around 80 to 100 hours,
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80μ‹œκ°„μ—μ„œ 100μ‹œκ°„μ΄ 걸리고,
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and get elevated to a best friend
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절친으둜 λ°œμ „ν•˜λ €λ©΄
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after you spend at least 200 hours of quality time together.
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μΉœλ°€ν•œ μ‹œκ°„μ„ 적어도 200μ‹œκ°„μ€ ν•¨κ»˜ 보내야 ν•œλ‹€κ³  ν•©λ‹ˆλ‹€.
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And the emphasis here is on quality time.
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μ—¬κΈ°μ„œ μ€‘μš”ν•œ 것은 ν•¨κ»˜ λ³΄λ‚΄λŠ” μ‹œκ°„μ˜ μ§ˆμž…λ‹ˆλ‹€.
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You might say "hi" to a barista every morning
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카페 μ§μ›μ—κ²Œ 맀일 μ•„μΉ¨ 인사λ₯Ό κ±΄λ„€κ±°λ‚˜
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or be polite to a coworker,
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λ™λ£Œμ—κ²Œ 예의 λ°”λ₯΄κ²Œ 행동할 수 μžˆμ§€λ§Œ,
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but you wouldn't necessarily invite either one over for dinner.
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λ‘˜ 쀑 λˆ„κ΅¬λ„ 저녁 식사에 μ΄ˆλŒ€ν•˜μ§€λŠ” μ•Šκ² μ£ .
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I was feeling a little bit daunted by all of these numbers
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μ €λŠ” 이것듀에 μ’€ 더 낙관적인
저희 μ—„λ§ˆμ™€ 이야기λ₯Ό λ‚˜λˆ„κΈ° μ „κΉŒμ§€λŠ”
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until I spoke to my mum,
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02:12
who has a more optimistic take on all of this.
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이 μˆ«μžλ“€μ— κ½€ κ²λ¨Ήμ—ˆμ—ˆμŠ΅λ‹ˆλ‹€.
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"A friendship is essential in your life.
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β€œμš°μ •μ€ λ„ˆμ˜ 삢에 κΌ­ ν•„μš”ν•˜λ‹¨λ‹€.
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How does friendship start?
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μš°μ •μ€ μ–΄λ–»κ²Œ μ‹œμž‘λ κΉŒ?
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The first thing is to know that person.
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λ¨Όμ € κ·Έ μ‚¬λžŒμ„ μ•Œμ•„μ•Ό ν•œλ‹¨λ‹€.
02:22
If you don't want to know these people,
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λ§Œμ•½ λ„€κ°€ μ‚¬λžŒλ“€μ— λŒ€ν•΄ μ•Œκ³  μ‹Άμ–΄ν•˜μ§€ μ•ŠλŠ”λ‹€λ©΄,
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if you don't open a window of communication,
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λ„€κ°€ μ†Œν†΅μ˜ 창을 열지 μ•ŠλŠ”λ‹€λ©΄,
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you will never become friends of them.
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μ ˆλŒ€ κ·Έλ“€μ˜ μΉœκ΅¬κ°€ 될 수 없을 κ±°μ•Ό.
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You have to start.
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λ„€κ°€ λ¨Όμ € λ‹€κ°€κ°€μ•Ό ν•΄.
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If you want to be isolated,
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λ§Œμ•½ λ„€κ°€ 외톨이가 되고 μ‹Άλ‹€λ©΄,
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you just shut your windows and look at them,
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κ·Έλƒ₯ 창문을 λ‹«κ³  λ°”λΌλ³΄κΈ°λ§Œ ν•˜λ ΄.
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and they don't look at you."
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그러면 μ‚¬λžŒλ“€μ€ λ„ˆλ₯Ό 보지 μ•Šμ„ κ±°μ•Ό.”
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OK, so yes, if I really, really want to make a new friendship,
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κ·Έλ ‡κ΅°μš”, μ•Œκ² μ–΄μš”, λ§Œμ•½ μƒˆ 친ꡬλ₯Ό 정말 정말 사귀고 μ‹Άλ‹€λ©΄,
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I could go out and make the effort to make a new friend by, say,
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밖에 λ‚˜κ°€μ„œ μ•„μ£Ό 쒋은 λ…Έλž˜λ₯Ό 살짝 μ‹œλ„λŸ½κ²Œ νŠΈλŠ” μ΄μ›ƒμ—κ²Œ
문을 λ‘λ“œλ¦¬λŠ” μ‹μœΌλ‘œ,
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knocking on my neighbor's door,
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02:47
who plays really good music a bit too loudly.
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λ…Έλ ₯을 기울일 수 있겠죠.
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But what about my current group of friends?
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ν•˜μ§€λ§Œ μ§€κΈˆ μžˆλŠ” μΉœκ΅¬λ“€μ€μš”?
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Are we all doomed just because we don't get the chance
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μ˜ˆμ „μ²˜λŸΌ μ–΄μšΈλ¦΄ κΈ°νšŒκ°€ μ—†μœΌλ‹ˆκΉŒ 우린 λ‹€ λ§ν•œ κ±΄κ°€μš”?
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to hang out like we used to?
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02:56
"I think yes, with the friends,
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β€œλ‚΄ 생각엔, 그래, 친ꡬ 사이에선,
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the distance gets further and further if you are not meeting them.
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λ§Œλ‚˜μ§€ μ•ŠλŠ”λ‹€λ©΄ 거리도 점점 멀어진단닀.
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But it also shows you the ones
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ν•˜μ§€λ§Œ μ΄λŠ” λ™μ‹œμ—
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that don't disappear because of the time or the distance.
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μ‹œκ°„μ΄λ‚˜ 거리 λ•Œλ¬Έμ— 멀어지지 μ•ŠλŠ” μΉœκ΅¬λ“€μ΄ λˆ„κ΅¬μΈμ§€λ„ 보여주지.
03:11
They will be there for you if you need them.
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그듀은 λ„€κ°€ ν•„μš”ν•  λ•Œλ©΄ ν•¨κ»˜ μžˆμ–΄ 쀄 κ±°μ•Ό.
03:14
So the special friends.
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νŠΉλ³„ν•œ μΉœκ΅¬λ“€μΈ 거지.
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And this difficult time shows you who cares
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그리고 이 νž˜λ“  μ‹œκΈ°λŠ”
λˆ„κ°€ 쒋은 μ‚¬λžŒμ΄μž 친ꡬ이고 λˆ„κ°€ λ„ˆλ₯Ό μ•„λΌλŠ”μ§€ 보여쀄 κ±°λž€λ‹€.
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and who is a good person or a good friend."
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03:24
I think she's right.
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μ—„λ§ˆ 말이 λ§žλŠ” 것 κ°™μ•„μš”.
03:25
I don't think there's a magical formula
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λ§ˆλ²• κ³΅μ‹μ΄λ‚˜ ν•¨κ»˜ 지내야 ν•˜λŠ” μ‹ ν™” 같은 μˆ«μžλŠ” μ—†λ‹€κ³  μƒκ°ν•΄μš”.
03:27
or a mythical number of hours to chase.
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03:29
This just takes time and effort.
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κ·Έμ € μ‹œκ°„κ³Ό λ…Έλ ₯이 ν•„μš”ν•  뿐이죠.
03:31
So if you'll excuse me,
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κ·ΈλŸ¬λ‹ˆ μ‹€λ‘€κ°€ λ˜μ§€ μ•ŠλŠ”λ‹€λ©΄, 쒋은 μΉœκ΅¬μ—κ²Œ μ „ν™”λ₯Ό μ’€ ν•΄μ•Όκ² λ„€μš”.
03:32
I have a good friend that I need to call.
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