engVid Adam Benn from Write to the Top Interview | Speak English Fluently with Steve Hatherly

Welcome back to another edition  of Speak English Fluently. 

欢迎回到另一个版本的说流利英语。

I’m your host Steve Hatherly. My guest today is Adam Benn. 

我是您的主持人史蒂夫·哈瑟利。我今天的客人是亚当本。

Adam has been teaching English for over 20  years now and has done so in many different  

Adam 从事英语教学已有 20 多年，并已在

countries around the world. He's made some very popular  

世界许多不同的国家从事此工作。 他

teaching videos for EngVid.com. He has his own very popular  

为 EngVid.com 制作了一些非常受欢迎的 教学视频。 他有自己非常受欢迎的

YouTube channel called Write to the Top. And recently, very interesting, he did a talk  

YouTube 频道，名为 Write to the Top。最近，非常有趣的是，他

for TedX on the importance of writing. He's written his own books. 

为 TedX 做了一个关于写作重要性的演讲。他写了自己的书。

And we're going to talk about  all of those things today, 

今天我们将讨论所有这些事情，

Let me say hello to my fellow Canadian  and, uh, guest today, Adam Benn. 

让我向我的加拿大同胞问好，呃，今天的客人，亚当本。

How are… how are you doing, sir? I’m very good Steve, thanks. 

你好吗，先生？我很好史蒂夫，谢谢。

How are you? I’m great thank you. 

你好吗？我很好谢谢你。

You're from Toronto, yeah? I’m from Toronto, yeah. 

你来自多伦多，是吗？我来自多伦多，是的。

Actually, I should say “Toronto”  like non-Torontonians, but… 

实际上，我应该像非多伦多人一样说“多伦多”，但是……

Very good, uh, so let's see now where do we begin? You've been teaching  

很好，嗯，现在让我们看看从哪里开始？您

English for 24 years in total - a long time. And you've lived in so many different countries  

总共教了 24 年英语 - 很长一段时间。而且你生活在

around the world. So what inspired you  

世界上许多不同的国家。那么

originally to move away from Canada? And where was your first destination? 

最初是什么促使你离开加拿大的呢？你的第一个目的地是哪里？

And you can talk about that a little bit. So I was in… I was in Toronto. 

你可以谈谈这个。所以我在……我在多伦多。

And I loved traveling. So I just wanted to travel around the world. 

我喜欢旅行。所以我只想环游世界。

So originally, my first idea was  to, you know, learn how to cook. 

所以最初，我的第一个想法是，你知道，学习如何做饭。

Maybe become a chef because  people have to eat everywhere. 

也许成为一名厨师，因为人们必须到处吃饭。

I can always go somewhere  and find a job as a chef. 

我总是可以去某个地方找到一份厨师的工作。

So I went to culinary school for a year. I did that. 

所以我去了烹饪学校一年。我这样做了。

I worked in a few restaurants and I  realized that I really hated that job. 

我在几家餐馆工作过，我意识到我真的很讨厌这份工作。

Oh, really. So I needed something else. 

哦真的吗。所以我需要别的东西。

And one day, I saw an advertisement, it said,  “Do you want to live overseas and teach English?” 

有一天，我看到一则广告，上面写着：“你想在海外生活并教英语吗？”

And I thought, “Yeah, I do.” So I applied. 

我想，“是的，我愿意。”于是我申请了。

I got a job and I went to Japan. That was my first overseas teaching experience. 

我找到了一份工作，然后去了日本。那是我的第一次海外教学经历。

Very good. Where… what other countries have you lived in? 

很好。在哪里……你住在其他哪些国家？

So I lived in Japan. I actually taught in Toronto and Vancouver. 

所以我住在日本。我实际上在多伦多和温哥华任教。

Oh, OK. In Canada. 

哦好的。在加拿大。

I lived in Turkey, in Israel, and now in Korea. 

我住在土耳其，以色列，现在在韩国。

Wow. So Israel was your last stop  before coming to live in Korea? 

哇。所以以色列是你来韩国之前的最后一站？

Uh, well a while ago, I went back to Canada  since then, but then I came here, again, yeah. 

呃，不久前，从那以后我回到了加拿大，但后来我又来到了这里，是的。

Oh, very good so… What made you come to Korea this time  

哦，太好了……是什么让你这次来韩国

having experience in so many other countries? Uh, I actually met a very nice Korean woman. 

有这么多其他国家的经历？呃，我实际上遇到了一个非常好的韩国女人。

Oh, there it is. Oh, there it is. 

哦，是的。哦，是的。

So we came here. Plus, uh,  

所以我们来到了这里。另外，呃，

I live in Busan which is on right on the coast. So I live… I have the ocean right in front of me. 

我住在海边的釜山。所以我活着……我面前就是大海。

I have the mountains right behind me. It's… it's a beautiful place to live. 

我身后有山。这是……这是一个美丽的居住地。

Oh, Busan, uh, if… if our… our audience members  have not been… is one of the prettiest cities in  

哦，釜山，呃，如果……如果我们……我们的观众没有……是

Korea. There's no question, yeah. Yeah, it's a very nice place. 

韩国最漂亮的城市之一。没有问题，是的。是的，这是一个非常好的地方。

So let's talk about EngVid first. Sure. 

所以让我们先谈谈EngVid。当然。

Uh, the videos that you do for EngVid.com  that's engvid.com are insanely popular. 

呃，你为 EngVid.com 制作的 engvid.com 视频非常受欢迎。

They have nearly what - 2.96 million  subscribers I think was the number that I saw. 

他们几乎拥有 296 万订阅者，我认为这是我看到的数字。

That's just from my channel  – there’s other teachers. 

这只是来自我的频道——还有其他老师。

Yeah, so that's incredible. They've made you one of the  

是的，这太不可思议了。他们使您成为

most popular English teachers in the world. So how did that… how did that all come to be? 

世界上最受欢迎的英语老师之一。那是怎么……这一切是怎么来的？

Uh, interestingly, I worked for the  relatives of the guy who owns EngVid. 

呃，有趣的是，我为拥有 EngVid 的那个人的亲戚工作。

Like, while I was living in  Toronto, I was also teaching there. 

就像，当我住在多伦多时，我也在那儿教书。

And I… and I worked with, uh, his mom. And when I came back from some travels,  

我……我和他妈妈一起工作过。当我从一些旅行回来时，

she contacted me, and asked me,  “Do you want to make some videos?” 

她联系了我，问我，“你想拍一些视频吗？”

Because she knows I know how to teach. And I know English, and world experience,  

因为她知道我会教书。我知道英语和世界经验，

so I said, “Yeah, sure. I’ll go try it.” And I did it. 

所以我说，“是的，当然。我去试试。”我做到了。

And it took off. And I have kept doing it. 

它起飞了。我一直在这样做。

Wow, how many years has it…  how many years has it been now? 

哇，多少年了……现在多少年了？

It's funny. I was just looking at it. 

这很有趣。我只是看着它。

I was looking at my first video  just to see what it was like. 

我正在看我的第一个视频，只是想看看它是什么样的。

It was 10 years ago. Goodness me. 

那是10年前的事了。天啊。

Well done. Congratulations on your success. Almost 3 million for just for your channel. 

做得好。祝贺你成功。几乎 300 万只为您的频道。

That's incredible. Yeah. 

这是令人难以置信的。是的。

What types of videos do you  enjoy making for EngVid? 

你喜欢为 EngVid 制作什么类型的视频？

To be honest, I... I like  making the grammar videos. 

老实说，我...我喜欢制作语法视频。

I know a lot of teachers don't  like to teach the grammar. 

我知道很多老师不喜欢教语法。

I know the students don't  necessarily like to learn grammar  

我知道学生不一定喜欢学习语法

but it's very important I like grammar I like But it's very important. 

，但这很重要我喜欢我喜欢的语法，但这很重要。

I like grammar. I like to see a student’s face when he or she… 

我喜欢语法。我喜欢看学生的脸，当他或她……

Oh, I get it. You know that “Ah ha” moment. 

哦，我明白了。你知道那个“啊哈”的时刻。

Right. And so,  

正确的。所以，

I… I like the grammar, so I like to teach that. But, I do all kinds of lessons. 

我……我喜欢语法，所以我喜欢教它。但是，我会做各种各样的课程。

I do general English. I do like phrasal verbs, vocabulary,  

我做一般英语。我确实喜欢短语动词、词汇、

some pronunciation, writing, test  prep, a little bit of everything. 

一些发音、写作、考试准备，所有的一切。

I remember talking to my students when  I taught university here in Korea,  

我记得我在韩国教大学时和我的学生交谈，我

and I said to them, I bet your grammar in  English is better than my grammar in English. 

对他们说，我敢打赌，你的英语语法比我的英语语法好。

Yeah, yeah. Because that's a large focus. 

是啊。因为这是一个很大的焦点。

That's where they learned the most, yeah. Uh, in in their younger years, right? 

那是他们学到最多的地方，是的。呃，在他们年轻的时候，对吧？

Have you noticed that? You know,  

你注意到了吗？你知道，

after moving to Korea and living in Turkey and  Israel and teaching in Toronto and Vancouver… 

在搬到韩国，在土耳其和以色列生活，在多伦多和温哥华教书之后……

Have you noticed that that Korean  students maybe have some different skills?  

你有没有注意到韩国学生可能有一些不同的技能？

Second language-wise or third language wise ….? Yeah, they focus. They focus  

第二语言还是第三语言……？是的，他们专注。他们

very heavily on the grammar. And they do work on the vocabulary,  

非常注重语法。他们确实在词汇上工作，

but they don't necessarily go outside… like they…  they look at the technical aspects and they don't… 

但他们不一定会去外面……就像他们……他们看技术方面但他们没有……

I don't think they do enough practice, which I  think is why it's a little difficult for them so… 

我认为他们没有做足够的练习，我认为这就是为什么它有点对他们来说很难……

To like integrate those grammar lessons  and to use that vocabulary, etc. 

喜欢整合那些语法课程并使用这些词汇等。

But I find that this is a Asian issue,  like the way Asian education systems work. 

但我发现这是一个亚洲问题，就像亚洲教育系统的运作方式一样。

A lot of them focused very heavily on the  grammar and not enough about on the speaking  

他们中的许多人非常关注语法，而对口语

and the writing and the conversation. But that being said, having a strong  

、写作和对话的 关注不够 。 但话虽如此

grammar foundation makes it a  whole lot easier, I think, to  

，我认为拥有扎实的语法基础会让

become a great speaker in your later years, right? Yeah, but again, if you're willing to actually  

你在晚年成为一名出色的演讲者更容易，对吧？是的，但同样，如果你愿意实际

apply it, so that's the, that's the key, use it. That's the EngVid videos, but what about  

应用它，那就是关键，使用它。那是 EngVid 视频，但是

your channel - Write to the Top? How, how did that come to be when you  

您的频道呢 - 写到顶部？当你

decided to… to make that, you decided  to focus it on writing specifically? 

决定……为了做到这一点，你决定专注于写作时，那是怎么回事？

Yeah, so where did the idea  for your own channel come from? 

是的，那么你自己的频道的想法是从哪里来的？

Well, I again, I've taught in many  places and I've I especially started  

好吧，我再说一遍，我在很多地方教过书，我特别开始

teaching a test prep like IELTS and TOEFL. And I… I looked at statistics, and I looked  

教雅思和托福等考试准备课程。而我……我查看了统计数据，查看

at my own students, and other people students, and  I realized that like very consistently, it doesn't  

了我自己的学生和其他人的学生，我意识到就像非常一致的那样，

matter what country you come from, everybody’s  worst scores are in the writing section. 

无论你来自哪个国家，每个人的最差分数都在写作部分。

And a lot of teachers, as much as  they can, they try to avoid teaching  

很多老师，他们尽可能地避免教授

the writing because it's a very hard skill. So a lot of teachers don't like to teach it. 

写作，因为这是一项非常难的技能。所以很多老师不喜欢教它。

Some, even English teachers are  not the best writers, like native  

有些人，甚至英语老师也不是最好的作家，就像以母语

speakers are not are not great writers. And so I realized that I should focus  

为母语 的人也不是伟大的作家。所以我意识到我应该专注

on that because I like it for one thing. The students need it for another thing. 

于这一点，因为我喜欢它是为了一件事。学生们需要它来做另一件事。

And if it helps them, especially with  tests and like getting a job and all that… 

如果它对他们有帮助，尤其是在考试方面，比如找工作等等……

A lot of people don't realize that writing is  something you're going to do your whole life. 

很多人没有意识到写作是你一生都要做的事情。

You're going to write resumes. You're going to write cover letters,  

你要写简历。你要写求职信，

you're going to write memos, you're going  to write all kinds of things in business,  

你要写备忘录，你要写各种商业、商业

outside of business, even on social media. Your captions have to be understood, right? 

之外的东西，甚至在社交媒体上。你的字幕必须被理解，对吧？

So it's all about writing. So that's why I decided to open this channel. 

所以一切都是为了写作。所以这就是我决定打开这个频道的原因。

I think you're absolutely right. That even… even native English speakers are not  

我认为你是完全正确的。甚至……即使是以英语为母语的人也不

necessarily good writers because it's something  that we learn perhaps in elementary, middle,  

一定是优秀的作家，因为这可能是我们在小学、初中、

high school, maybe in university, depending  on what you study, but that that's kind of it. 

高中，可能在大学里学到的东西，这取决于你学习的内容，但就是这样。

That's… that's kind of when it stops, right? And if you're never really, if you're never  

那是……那是它停止的时候，对吧？如果你从来没有，如果你从来没有

really taught specifically how to  be a good writer, then it's not  

真正被教导过如何成为一名优秀的作家，那么这不是

something that's going to come naturally, correct? No, it… it doesn't come naturally because it takes  

自然而然的事情，对吗？不，它……它不是自然而然的，因为它需要

a lot of focus, which is again another reason I  think a lot of people tend to stay away from it. 

很多注意力，这也是我认为很多人倾向于远离它的另一个原因。

And also people take for granted  that they… they speak well. 

人们也理所当然地认为他们……他们说得很好。

They can communicate well. So that's it's good enough  

他们可以很好地沟通。所以当它出现时就足够

when it comes across, the message gets across in  the writing, but it's not always the case, so... 

了，信息在写作中得到传达，但情况并非总是如此，所以......

When did you… when did you start the channel? This one is about five years ago. 

你什么时候......你什么时候开始频道？这是大约五年前的事了。

Five years ago and what almost  300,000 subscribers you're at now? 

五年前，你现在有近 300,000 名订阅者吗？

Yeah, 265, yeah. Wow, that's wonderful. 

是的，265，是的。哇，太棒了。

Congratulations on that as well. Thank you. 

对此也表示祝贺。谢谢你。

Does that surprise you, I wonder? Because you said that, you know,  

我想知道这会让你感到惊讶吗？因为你说过，你知道，

teachers don't necessarily enjoy  teaching writing and students also. 

老师不一定喜欢教写作，学生也不一定喜欢。

Oh gosh, I have to write this again. Maybe something they don't love doing, but  

哦，天哪，我得再写一次。也许他们不喜欢做的事情，但

obviously your channel is extremely successful. Has the success surprised you at all? 

显然您的频道非常成功。成功让你感到惊讶吗？

A little bit, because for one thing,  it's a little bit higher level English. 

一点点，因为一方面，它的英语水平有点高。

It's not… it's not for beginners. It's… you have to have a certain base of  

这不是……它不适合初学者。这是……你必须有一定的

vocabulary and grammar to be able to write well. Plus, I think that, again, a lot of people  

词汇和语法基础才能写得好。另外，我认为，同样，很多人

don't want to learn writing - They need to. So surprised, but not surprised. 

不想学习写作——他们需要。很惊讶，但并不惊讶。

EngVid, there’s people who needs to learn  English, and those who want to learn it. 

EngVid，有些人需要学习英语，有些人想要学习它。

Right. Whereas my channel,  

正确的。而我的频道，

I think it's more about  needing to than wanting to. 

我认为更多的是需要而不是想要。

Understood. What are what  

明白了。

are some of the… the basic tips that you give  students to try to improve their writing skills? 

您为学生提供的提高写作技巧的一些基本技巧是什么 ？

The key is, like anything else, practice. You have to get practice, but as much as  

关键是，像其他任何事情一样，练习。您必须进行练习，但也要尽可能多

possible get feedback as well.? Because you can write all day,  

地获得反馈。因为你可以写一整天，

but if nobody, excuse me, if nobody is pointing  out the mistakes you're making, you're just  

但如果没有人，请原谅，如果没有人指出你所犯的错误，你只会

going to keep making them right. So that's the hard part. 

继续纠正错误。所以这是困难的部分。

I used… I used to tell my students…  I used to make them keep a diary. 

我曾经……我曾经告诉我的学生……我曾经让他们记日记。

And I would tell them to write  about any topic they want every day. 

我会告诉他们每天写下他们想要的任何话题。

And I realized after I gave the assignment  teaching so many different classes at university  

我意识到，在我完成了在大学教授这么多不同课程的任务后

that I had created a ton of extra work for myself. But I didn't mind. 

，我为自己创造了大量额外的工作。但我并不介意。

I didn't…. I didn't want to bring that up,  but that's another reason a lot of teachers  

我没有……我不想提起这个，但这是很多老师

don’t teach writing. So very true, right? 

不教写作的另一个原因。非常真实，对吧？

But I didn't mind because the  students – “Do I have to do this?” 

但我并不介意，因为学生们——“我必须这样做吗？”

And I said, “Well, yeah, because this  is really going to help your speaking  

我说，“嗯，是的，因为这真的会帮助你说话

because you're just taking the words out of your  mouth and you're putting them down on paper.” 

，因为你只是把话从嘴里拿出来，然后把它们写在纸上。”

Yeah. And then once I would correct it,  

是的。然后，一旦我改正它，

then I'd say, “OK, now repeat this 10, 15,  20 times that paragraph that you just wrote.” 

我就会说，“好的，现在将你刚刚写的那段重复 10、15、20 次。”

So do you agree with me? There's a strong  connection between writing and… and conversation? 

那你同意我的观点吗？写作和……和对话之间有很强的联系？

So there's absolutely a connection, because  again, listening and reading are passive skills. 

所以绝对有联系，因为听力和阅读是被动技能。

You're taking in the language and you're  processing it and making it work inside your head. 

你正在接受语言，你正在处理它并让它在你的脑海中工作。

Speaking and writing are active skills. You need to produce the language. 

口语和写作是主动技能。你需要产生语言。

So writing, forces you to  think very clearly and arrange  

所以写作，迫使你思考得很清楚，安排

very and construct very clear sentences. Now, if you can do this regularly,  

得很清楚，句子也很清楚。现在，如果你能经常这样做，

it'll come out in your speaking as well. And you're speaking will be much better. 

它也会在你的演讲中体现出来。而且你说话会好很多。

Because normally, otherwise speaking, you can  just go around in circles to get to a point. 

因为通常情况下，否则的话，您可以绕圈子到达一个点。

Writing will help you focus your speaking as well. Oh, that's an excellent point. 

写作也会帮助你集中注意力。哦，这是一个很好的观点。

Yeah, because when you speak you can kind of say  the same thing 10 times over in a different way. 

是的，因为当你说话时，你可以用不同的方式说同样的话 10 次。

But when you're writing, you can't do that. You have to start at… at point A and get  

但是当你写作时，你不能那样做。您必须从...开始，在 A 点开始，然后在

to point B by the time you're done. And there's no, there's no in between. 

您完成时到达 B 点。没有，中间没有。

Yeah, yeah. As quickly as possible. 

是啊。尽快。

It's a great point, I didn't think about that. Well speaking of writing, you've written  

这是一个很好的观点，我没有想到这一点。说到写作，你也写过

some books as well. Tell us about those. 

一些书。告诉我们这些。

So again, both of these are the I've written  two books like one is a series of books. 

再说一遍，这两本书都是我写过的两本书，就像一本是系列书。

It's all for the IELTS exam right now. It's to help people preparing for the IELTS exam. 

现在都是为了雅思考试。这是为了帮助人们准备雅思考试。

The first one is called The Right Idea. Vocabulary and ideas and examples. 

第一个被称为正确的想法。词汇、想法和例子。

Because again, if you if we're thinking  about Korean students, for example,  

因为再一次，如果我们考虑韩国学生，例如，

one of the hardest things I've found that they…  one of the most difficult aspects of the exam,  

我发现他们最困难的事情之一是……考试中最困难的方面之一，

is coming up with ideas quickly, right? They're focusing too much on their vocabulary,  

就是快速提出想法，对吗？他们过分关注词汇，

focusing too much on the grammar. And then they panic because  

过多关注语法。然后他们恐慌，因为

they don't have any clear ideas. And this cost them a lot of points. 

他们没有任何明确的想法。这让他们损失了很多分数。

So I always tell them think  of ideas before the exam. 

所以我总是告诉他们考前想办法。

So you mean on the IELTS? On the IELTS test? 

所以你是说雅思？在雅思考试中？

The essays, yes. They have to create something out of nowhere. 

散文，是的。他们必须凭空创造一些东西。

They get a prompt. They get a question  

他们得到提示。他们得到一个问题

and then they have to write like a 250  words minimum essay to support their idea. 

，然后他们必须写一篇至少 250 字的文章来支持他们的想法。

OK. But they need to give reasons and  

好的。但是他们需要给出理由和

support like examples but they don't know what  to say in like a very timed situation and they  

支持，比如例子，但他们不知道在非常及时的情况下该说些什么，他们会

panic and then everything falls apart. If you have ideas before the test,  

恐慌，然后一切都崩溃了。如果您在考试前有想法，

you're much more prepared for  any question that comes up. 

那么您就会为出现的任何问题做好准备。

So, for example, can you put  that in a context for me? 

那么，例如，你能把它放在我的上下文中吗？

Sure, so you're at, you're saying  like, OK, a very common question. 

当然，所以你在说，好吧，一个非常常见的问题。

Is it better to live in the  countryside or in the city? 

住在农村好还是住在城市好？

So, you have to choose one, like  you have to have your introduction. 

所以，你必须选择一个，就像你必须有你的介绍一样。

“I believe it's more important…  It's better to live in the city…” 

“我认为这更重要......最好住在城市里......”

And then you have to give reasons. You have to have two body paragraphs  

然后你必须给出理由。你必须有两个身体段落

suggestion… suggesting why the  city is better than the country. 

的建议......说明为什么这个城市比这个国家更好。

So, you have to give examples  like better transportation,  

所以，你必须举出更好的交通、

better infrastructure, better job opportunities. Then you have to give a bit of a contrast. 

更好的基础设施、更好的工作机会等例子。然后你必须给出一些对比。

So, in the country you get more  privacy, more leisure time. 

所以，在乡下你会得到更多的隐私，更多的休闲时间。

But you don't make as much money and the cost  of living is a little harder, dot, dot, dot. 

但是你赚不到那么多钱，而且生活成本有点难，点，点，点。

Very basic essay there, but they… That's a that's a great tip, though. 

那里有非常基本的文章，但是他们……不过，这是一个很好的提示。

I mean, if you're just talking about  a basic structure for.. for writing,  

我的意思是，如果您只是在谈论写作的基本结构，

that's a really excellent tip is that, you know,  list one or two or three or four ideas to support  

那么这是一个非常好的提示，您知道，列出一两个或三个或四个想法来支持

what you're saying, but then say, “But,  also, on the other side,” 1, 2, 3 maybe  

您所说的内容，然后说，“但是，另外，在另一边，” 1、2、3 也许

and then come back and say, “But, ultimately…” That's it. 

然后回来说，“但是，最终……”就是这样。

The most important don't forget  to come back to your side. 

最重要的不要忘记回到你身边。

Yeah, yeah, that's... That don't forget that last paragraph. 

是的，是的，那是……别忘了最后一段。

It's amazing how many people forget to do that. Oh, is that right? 

令人惊讶的是有多少人忘记这样做。哦，对吗？

Oh, that’s interesting. And they lose a lot of points because of that. 

哦，这很有趣。他们因此丢了很多分。

Well, I guess I… I guess I kind of get that  because you're so caught up in the moment. 

好吧，我想我……我想我有点明白这一点，因为你太着迷了。

Exactly. I suppose. 

确切地。我想。

So I guess another tip for… for writing is… is  go back and check, read what you've written,  

所以我想另一个关于写作的技巧是…… 如果你有时间的话 ，回去检查一下，阅读你写

if you have the time. Always go back to your  

的东西。 总是回到你的

thesis and make sure you're  supporting that thesis. 

论文，并确保你支持该论文。

My… my father was a teacher for 34 years. He was a high school vice principal and he  

我的……我父亲当了 34 年的老师。他是一名高中副校长，他

taught English, and he was frustrated  at his students not reading, um,  

教英语，他对他的学生不阅读，嗯，

the things that he was asking them to read. So when he gave a test, he said, “Read all these  

他要求他们阅读的东西感到沮丧。因此，当他进行测试时，他说：“

questions before you answer any of them.” That was at the top of the page. 

在回答任何问题之前，请先阅读所有这些问题。”那是在页面的顶部。

And the very last thing on page two of the test  was, “Don't answer any of these questions.” 

测试第二页的最后一件事是，“不要回答这些问题中的任何一个。”

And he said that. None of the student, not  one student handed it back an empty paper. 

他是这么说的。没有一个学生，没有一个学生把空纸递回去。

They all wrote… wrote the answers as they came. That's a mean, but effective. 

他们都写了……在他们来的时候写下答案。这很中庸，但很有效。

Any more books coming out and coming out for you? 

还有更多的书要出版和出版吗？

So, I just recently, like a couple of months  ago, I published another again IELTS book. 

所以，就在最近，就像几个月前，我又出版了另一本雅思书。

I have about 40 samples of summaries and  essays - fully edited, with, some with  

我有大约 40 个摘要和论文样本——经过全面编辑，其中一些附有

notes on where people lost points and  what they could do better next time. 

关于人们在哪里失分以及下次可以做得更好的注释。

And now I'm working on a  prepositions / collocations book. 

现在我正在写一本介词/搭配书。

Very nice. 

非常好。

Oh, that's a great… that's a great book. Where you have examples of essays and then  

哦，那是一本很棒的书……那是一本很棒的书。你有论文的例子，然后

the mistakes that were made. Yeah, so. 

是所犯的错误。所以啊。

So it's a real practical exercise for students. I'm also an editor. 

所以这对学生来说是一个真正的实践练习。我也是一名编辑。

So my edits are very… very detailed. But it's good for them to learn from so… 

所以我的编辑非常……非常详细。但是向他们学习对他们有好处……

Well, that's your main job, right? You're… you're an editor down in Busan? 

嗯，那是你的主要工作，对吧？你是……你是釜山的编辑？

I am online basically, so  mostly I do everything online. 

我基本上在线，所以大部分时间我都在网上做所有事情。

I have it. Students from all over the world coming  

我有它。来自世界各地的学生来找

to me to help them with their stuff. Oh, that's really cool. 

我帮助他们做东西。哦，那真的很酷。

How how's your experience  been in… in Busan so far? 

到目前为止，您在釜山的经历如何？

It's… it's… it's interesting  for the foreign community. 

这……这……这对外国社区来说很有趣。

If they… if they live in Busan, they tend to  live in Busan for their duration in Korea. 

如果他们……如果他们住在釜山，他们在韩国期间往往会住在釜山。

For the Seoul expats, they tend to stay  in Seoul for the duration of their times. 

对于首尔外籍人士来说，他们倾向于在他们的时间里留在首尔。

But everyone I've talked to who lives in  Busan say that they absolutely love it there. 

但与我交谈过的住在釜山的每个人都说他们非常喜欢那里。

You've enjoyed, you've enjoyed your work there? Yeah, very much. 

你喜欢，你喜欢你在那里的工作吗？是的，非常。

I mean, I lived in Tokyo, so I think I'm, I  think I'm done with the Big city experience. 

我的意思是，我住在东京，所以我想我已经完成了大城市的体验。

I don't think I want to live in Seoul. Plus again, when I feel like it, I go  

我不认为我想住在首尔。另外，当我喜欢的时候，我会去

down to the beach, hang out, go paddle boarding,  whatever, then come home and work on the computer. 

海滩，闲逛，划桨，不管怎样，然后回家在电脑上工作。

So it's nice. Perfect. 

所以很好。完美的。

I left 5 minutes from the beach. Perfect. 

我离开海滩 5 分钟。完美的。

Uhm, let's talk about the TEDx talk or  that that you that you did recently. 

嗯，让我们谈谈 TEDx 演讲或者你最近做的那个。

I watched it. I think you did a great job. 

我看着它。我认为你做得很好。

I think it was a very interesting topic. 

我认为这是一个非常有趣的话题。

You talked about the importance of writing as  we've already talked about a little bit today. 

你谈到了写作的重要性，因为我们今天已经谈到了一点。

How did the… did the TEDx talk happen? They contacted you, obviously. 

TEDx 演讲是怎么发生的？很明显，他们联系了你。

Yeah, actually I'm friends with the organizer. And she's been wanting me to come for years,  

是的，其实我和主办方是朋友。多年来，她一直希望我来，

but there was never a theme that I would fit into. But this year, this year's theme was Empowered,  

但从来没有一个主题适合我。但是今年，今年的主题是赋能，

and being able to write is  a very empowering thing, so 

能写是一件很赋能的事情，所以

it actually fits nicely this year. Well, I watched it, but I'll let you share. 

今年其实很适合。好吧，我看了，但我会让你分享。

What… what were some of the things that  you talked about in your in your speech? 

什么……你在演讲中谈到了什么？

So, one thing I… some of these  we already mentioned, like the  

所以，我……其中一些我们已经提到过，比如

difference between writing and speaking. But how writing you have, it's just you and the  

写作和口语之间的区别。但是你的写作方式，只有你和

text, and then it's just the reader and the text. Whereas speaking, you have your hands,  

文本，然后它只是读者和文本。说起来，你有你的手，

you have your face. You can go back and forth. 

你有你的脸。你可以来回走动。

And it's like, express different ideas  until you reach an understanding. 

就像，表达不同的想法，直到你达成理解。

But writing is only the text, and  if the reader can't understand you,  

但写作只是文字，如果读者听不懂你，

can't understand what you're saying, you didn't say anything. 

听不懂你在说什么，你什么也没说。

So it's very important to know how  to write well and I gave some tips. 

所以知道如何写好是非常重要的，我给出了一些提示。

For example, the 3C's. Be clear, be concise, be correct. 

比如3C的。清楚，简洁，正确。

Right? Make sure you're doing  

正确的？确保你在写作时正在做

all these things when you're writing. Hold on, I gotta write that down. 

所有这些事情。等等，我得把它写下来。

Three Cs. Use this for myself. 

三个 C。自己用这个。

Yeah, every anything you write,  emails, essays, anything. 

是的，你写的任何东西，电子邮件，论文，任何东西。

It's all about being clear. Writing less is actually better than writing more. 

这一切都是为了清楚。少写其实比多写好。

A lot of people misunderstand that they  think more words is more impressive. 

很多人误解他们认为更多的词更令人印象深刻。

It's not. It's just more confusing. 

它不是。只是更令人困惑。

And just make sure you're writing correct things. Don't confuse your reader. 

只要确保你写的是正确的东西。不要混淆你的读者。

Make sure you know who your reader is so they  can get to your message and all that, yeah. 

确保您知道您的读者是谁，以便他们可以了解您的信息以及所有这些，是的。

Uhm, again, to use my dad as an example, he always  liked cars that had windows that you had to roll  

嗯，再次以我父亲为例，他总是喜欢有窗户的汽车，你必须卷起

up instead of power things. Old school. 

而不是动力装置。老套。

Old school stuff and I… I said, “Why  do you? Why do you prefer that?” 

老派的东西和我……我说，“你为什么？为什么更喜欢那个？”

He said, “The more things you have in  a car, the more things can go wrong.” 

他说，“车里的东西越多，出错的可能性就越大。”

Absolutely. And I think, I think that's a good,  

绝对地。而且我认为，我认为这是一个很好的，

uh, a good way to think about writing as well. Just because you're using more words, doesn't  

呃，也是思考写作的好方法。仅仅因为你使用了更多的词，并不

necessarily mean those words are effective. And I remember Doctor Terry Whalen,  

一定意味着这些词是有效的。我记得

one of my professors in university, he would make  us, after we finished an essay, he would say,  

我在大学的一位教授 Terry Whalen 博士会让我们在写完一篇论文后，他会说，

“Go back and take out every single word that is  not absolutely necessary, to the point that you're  

“回去把每一个不是绝对必要的词都删掉，直到你重新

taking and just strip them all away and then you  get a very clear, very concise piece of writing.” 

拿走，然后把它们全部去掉，然后你就会得到一篇非常清晰、非常简洁的文章。”

That's what you're talking about, yeah? I… I… I tell my students like when I  

这就是你在说的，是吗？我……我……我告诉我的学生，就像我

teach writing classes, I tell them when you're  whenever you have your first draft, first step,  

教写作课时一样，我告诉他们你什么时候有你的初稿，第一步，

cut out 5% of the word count. If you're good enough, make it 10%,  

减少 5% 的字数。如果你足够好，就提高 10%，

but start with 5%. Right away. 

但从 5% 开始。马上。

Just get rid of words you don't need  and then see how much clearer and more  

只需删除您不需要的单词，然后

effective your writing is already  before you do any other changes. 

在进行任何其他更改之前查看您的写作已经变得更加清晰和有效。

Your students must hate that, though, because  you're you probably give them a word count,  

但是，您的学生一定讨厌这样，因为您可能会给他们一个字数，

right? Like, OK, I need a I need a 800-word  essay or something, and everybody is trying to. 

对吗？就像，好的，我需要一篇我需要一篇 800 字的论文之类的，每个人都在努力。

Yeah, exactly like thanks, Professor Benn. How's the response been from your students  

是的，非常感谢本恩教授。 当您给学生上这些类型的课程时，他们 的反应如何

when you give them these types of lessons? Do you get that feedback that you so much enjoy? 

？ 你得到了你非常喜欢的反馈吗？

Uh, I do. I… I love the feedback. 

嗯，我愿意。我……我喜欢反馈。

A lot of them tell me how much it's  helping them, and that's, again,  

他们中的很多人告诉我这对他们有多大帮助，

that's why we're here at the end of the day  - to help them get to where they need to get. 

这也是我们在一天结束时来到这里的原因——帮助他们到达他们需要到达的地方。

And again, it's that “ah ha” moment  where something clicks and they can  

再一次，这是“啊哈”的时刻，点击一下，他们可以

go to that next step and get even better and… When I hear students who like got into university  

进入下一步并变得更好……当我听到喜欢进入大学

or graduated university and they say, “Thanks.  You helped me a lot,” I… but that's huge for me. 

或大学毕业的学生时，他们说，“谢谢。你帮了我很多，”我……但这对我来说意义重大。

Yeah, that… It's really rewarding,  

是的，那……这真的很有意义，

I guess, right. Yeah, very much. 

我想，对。是的，非常。

I'll see you too, right? Oh, absolutely. 

我也会见到你的，对吧？哦，绝对的。

No doubt. No doubt about it. 

毫无疑问。毫无疑问。

The point that you made about being  clear and concise and… and comparing  

你所说的简洁明了……并将

that to speaking is something that  I never really thought about before. 

其与说话相提并论是我以前从未真正考虑过的事情。

When we talk, you… as you mentioned, we have  our facial expressions, we have our hands. 

当我们说话时，你……正如你所说，我们有我们的面部表情，我们有我们的手。

As I'm using my hands now, there are all  of these, um, hidden messages, if you will,  

当我现在使用我的双手时，所有这些，嗯，隐藏的信息，如果你愿意的话

that that I'm conveying to you just… just from  using my voice tone or my facial expressions  

，我正在传达给你的只是……只是通过使用我的语气、我的面部表情

or my hand gestures my body language. So, you can easily understand perhaps  

或我的手势我的身体语。所以，你可以很容易地理解

what the… the main point of what I'm trying  to say, but in writing you don't have any of  

……我想说的重点是什么，但是在写作时你没有任何

that extra help, and that's why you say it's  so important to be clear and concise, right? 

额外的帮助，这就是为什么你说清晰和简洁如此重要，正确的？

Absolutely 'cause it's not even…  it's not even your physical self. 

绝对，因为它甚至不是……它甚至不是你的身体自我。

Like how you say a particular word. Where you put the stress in a sentence  

就像你说一个特定的词一样。你把重音放在句子中的地方

changes the meaning of the sentence, and  your listener generally will get that. 

会改变句子的意思，你的听众通常会明白这一点。

But you don't have these points. Like, yeah, there are tricks to writing  

但是你没有这些点。就像，是的，写作表达愤怒或表达幽默有一些技巧

to convey anger or to convey humor, but it's a  little bit more nuanced, whereas in speaking,  

，但它有点微妙，而在说话时，

it's very obvious. If you're angry,  

它非常明显。如果你生气了，

you're going to say something angrily. If you're happy, you'll say it happily  

你就会生气地说些什么。如果你很高兴，你会很高兴地说出来

sort of thing, so… It's very different. 

，所以……这是非常不同的。

I am the king of misunderstanding text message,  text message tones and that's exactly, but that's  

我是误解短信、短信音调的王者，没错，但这

exactly what you're talking about, right? But text is so short, that text messages,  

正是你在说的，对吧？但是文字太短了，短信

so short there's no room for tone. Right, really interesting. 

太短了，没有语气的余地。没错，真的很有趣。

So, the TEDx talk - Did you..  Did you enjoy the experience? 

所以，TEDx 演讲——你有没有.. 你喜欢这种体验吗？

I've… I've done one of those as well. I did one here in Seoul. 

我……我也做过其中的一件。我在首尔这里做了一个。

And I… I was… I mean, I've worked in media  for years and years and years, but I was,  

而且我……我是……我的意思是，我在媒体工作了很多年，很多年，但我是，

I was very nervous in… in the lead up to that. How did you feel about it? 

我非常紧张……在这之前。你感觉如何？

I… I was so scared. Like after I have finished,  

我……我好害怕。比如我说完之后，

like after I got off the stage… Uh, huh. 

比如我下台之后……嗯，嗯。

I said I was… I said to my friend, I'm the  most relaxed person in Spain right now. 

我说我是……我对我的朋友说，我现在是西班牙最放松的人。

It was over. Right. 

结束了。正确的。

But until then, like even a few days up that  moment, it really, really nervous and sweaty and  

但在那之前，即使是几天前的那一刻，它真的非常非常紧张，出汗和

shaking and you could hear it in my voice. My mouth was so dry from being nervous,  

颤抖，你可以从我的声音中听到。我紧张得口干舌燥，

I didn't even know how the words came out. But I was prepared. 

不知道这话是怎么说出来的。但我已经做好了准备。

That's the key. Uhm, I almost said  

那是关键。嗯，

no when they asked me to do it because it's not  something that was outside of my comfort zone. 

当他们要求我这样做时，我几乎拒绝了，因为这不是我舒适区之外的事情。

And I also didn't know that  you don't have cue cards. 

而且我也不知道你没有提示牌。

You're not allowed to have cue cards. Exactly as member. 

你不能有提示卡。完全是会员。

You don't have a podium. You don't have a microphone to hold onto. 

你没有讲台。你没有麦克风可以握住。

I thought, oh, at least if I can  have that as a security blanket. 

我想，哦，至少如果我能把它当作安全毯的话。

But they said no, no, no, you've just got the  mic on your cheek and the rest is up to you. 

但他们说不，不，不，你只是把麦克风放在脸颊上，剩下的就看你了。

You gotta memorize it. If you have any slides, that's it, yeah. 

你要记住它。如果你有任何幻灯片，就是这样，是的。

Oh my goodness. But you… you… you enjoyed it overall? 

哦，我的天啊。但是你……你……你喜欢它吗？

You're happy that you did it? The experience, I'm happy I did it. 

你很高兴你做到了？经验，我很高兴我做到了。

You're talking about comfort zone. Completely out of my comfort zone. 

你说的是舒适区。完全脱离了我的舒适区。

I'm like, I'm, uh, at the end of  the day, I'm a pretty shy person. 

我想，我，呃，归根结底，我是一个非常害羞的人。

I have no problem with a camera. I have a huge problem with a live audience. 

我的相机没有问题。我对现场观众有很大的问题。

It's totally different. So, but I'm glad I did it. 

这是完全不同的。所以，但我很高兴我做到了。

Like I… I tend to… the more something scares  me, the more I'm likely to actually do it. 

就像我……我倾向于……越让我害怕的事情，我就越有可能真的去做。

Oh really? That's why I'm a  

哦真的吗？这就是为什么我

little strange that way. Oh, that's good. 

有点奇怪。哦，这是个好。

I mean, it's better for your future. Well, speaking about writing in general,  

我的意思是，这对你的未来更好。好吧，谈到一般的写作，

has it changed or has it changed  I… I mean the way that we, right? 

它改变了还是改变了我……我的意思是我们的方式，对吗？ 在过去的

Has that, has that developed or or… or… or… or  gone in a different direction over maybe the last  

10 年或 15 年中，无论是在学术上还是其他 方面，这种情况是否已经发展或或……或……或……或朝着不同的方向发展

10 or 15 years, academically or otherwise? Or does it always kind of stay similar? 

？ 还是它总是保持相似？

I think writing at its base stays  similar, but there are changes. 

我认为在其基础上写作保持相似，但有变化。

Like if you read newspapers today and you read  them before, everything is much tighter now. 

就像你今天读报纸，你以前读过它们，现在一切都变得更紧张了。

I think also social media like  captions and tweeting and all that. 

我认为还有社交媒体，比如字幕和推文等等。

People got used to reading short. And young people today, their attention  

人们习惯于阅读简短。而今天的年轻人，他们的注意力

span is much shorter than it used to be. So people have to be more direct, more concise  

跨度比过去短了很多。所以人们必须更直接、更简洁

with their whatever they're writing. And I think even novels  

地表达他们所写的一切。而且我认为即使是小说

have taken that on a little bit because  you don't see as much flowery language. 

也有一点点，因为你看不到那么多华丽的语言。

You don't see as much, you know, expansion like  if you read Gabriel Garcia, Marquez, whatever. 

你看不到，你知道，如果你读加布里埃尔加西亚，马尔克斯，什么的，扩张。

That guy goes on and on and on with adjectives  but I'm not sure how popular he would be with  

那家伙不停地用形容词，但我不确定他

a younger generation now. Do you know what I mean? 

现在在年轻一代中会有多受欢迎。你懂我的意思吗？

The story is amazing. The writing is amazing. 

故事很精彩。文笔很棒。

But I don't know if they have the  attention span for that these days, so… 

但我不知道他们这些天是否有足够的注意力，所以……

Yeah, I mean, you make a good point. Because even when you watch YouTube videos,  

是的，我的意思是，你说得很好。因为即使您观看 YouTube 视频，

for example. Yeah. 

例如。是的。

Some, some, some of them have to be extremely  short because people just don't have the  

有些，有些，有些必须非常短，因为人们只是没有

attention span, nor the wants, nor the desire. I guess what it is these days in our culture,  

注意力，没有欲望，也没有欲望。我想这些天在我们的文化中，

our society is that it's gotta be immediate. We want things immediately. 

我们的社会是它必须是即时的。我们想要立即得到东西。

One of my favorite comedians,  Ronny Chang, talks about,  

我最喜欢的喜剧演员之一，Ronny Chang，

you know, in American culture, just like we want it now. 

你知道，在美国文化中，就像我们现在想要的那样。

Like Amazon… Amazon now, like, deliver it to me  before I want it, so you can see inside my brain. 

就像亚马逊……亚马逊现在，就像，在我想要它之前把它交付给我，这样你就可以看到我的大脑。

Use AI to guess what I want. Yeah, yeah, exactly. 

用人工智能来猜我想要什么。是的，是的，正是。

That's interesting. So that's had an  

那很有意思。所以这

effect on… on writing on writing as well. I think so a little bit, but again, at the end  

对……也对写作产生了影响。我觉得有点，但同样，在

of the day you still have to be clear, so. This is… but I think if you were  

一天结束时，你仍然必须清楚，所以。这是......但我想如果你

coming back to earlier question you asked me  like, am I surprised by my channel doing well? 

回到之前问过我的问题，我对我的频道表现良好感到惊讶吗？

I am a little bit because my videos are not  that short and it is writing and again, but  

我有一点，因为我的视频不是那么短，而且是一次又一次地写作，但

people don't want to do it, they need to do it. I think that's the big thing. 

人们不想这样做，他们需要这样做。我认为这是大事。

How would you tell your students, because it's  when we talk about being clear and concise  

你会如何告诉你的学生，因为当我们谈论

in our language and in our writing, there  is a line though where you still want to be  

在我们的语言和写作中保持清晰和简洁时，有一条线虽然你仍然想要

perhaps descriptive or you still want  to be eloquent, eloquent in your in your  

描述性或者你仍然想要雄辩，在你的 in你

in your writing, so where… where do students, how are… how are the students supposed to know  

在你的写作中，所以在哪里......学生在哪里，怎么样......学生应该如何知道

where that line is of of  kind of going too far in the  

那条线在相反的方向上走得太远

opposite direction and overcompensating  and not being descriptive enough. 

并且过度补偿并且描述性不够。

Yeah, I think first of all, it starts with who's  your target audience and what's the context? 

是的，我认为首先，首先要了解谁是您的目标受众以及背景是什么？

Ok. If you’re in  

business and you're writing an e-mail, the  shorter, the absolute shortest, the better. 

好的。如果你在

做生意并且你正在写一封电子邮件，那么越短越好。

'cause people don't have time that like, if  you're lucky, if they even open your e-mail. 

因为人们没有时间，如果你幸运的话，如果他们甚至打开你的电子邮件。

If you're writing an essay… again if you have to  fill up 4 pages and but you can actually answer  

如果你正在写一篇文章……再次，如果你必须填满 4 页，但你实际上可以

the question in two, then yeah, obviously  you cannot expand and give a bit more, but…. 

一分为二地回答这个问题，那么是的，显然你不能扩展并给出更多，但是……。

If you're getting into creative writing,  

如果您正在从事创意写作，

then there's no limits. Do whatever you feel  

那么就没有限制。做任何你觉得

will make the reader interested, right? So it's all about context, I think. 

会让读者感兴趣的事情，对吧？所以这都是关于上下文的，我认为。

Yeah, and I… I think knowing your audience  is a… is an excellent point as well. 

是的，而且我……我认为了解你的听众是……也是一个很好的观点。

Because, you know, if you're talking to a group  of people who perhaps are not familiar with  

因为，你知道，如果你和一群可能不熟悉

certain technical vocabulary, then it's better  to not use that technical vocabulary if you can,  

某些技术词汇的人交谈，那么如果可以的话，最好不要使用那些技术词汇，

because you're going to be, the expression  is to talk over someone's head, right? 

因为你会，表达是在别人的头上说话，对吧？

And in writing people do… people don't  like that in speaking and they definitely,  

在写作中，人们会……人们不喜欢这样说话，而且他们肯定，

definitely do not enjoy it in writing because  your audience is immediately lost, right? 

肯定不喜欢写作，因为你的听众会立即迷失，对吧？

Exactly, like I always say, one of the  first things I say, “Avoid jargon.” 

确切地说，就像我经常说的那样，我说的第一件事就是“避免行话”。

If you're in a specific field and… your  make sure you know who you're writing to. 

如果您在某个特定领域并且……请确保您知道要写信给谁。

So sometimes I help people apply  for, let's say, medical residencies. 

所以有时我会帮助人们申请，比如说，住院医师。

They want to go do a medical  residency in the States. 

他们想去美国做住院医师。

And they need help with their personal  statement, statements of purpose, etc. 

他们在个人陈述、目的陈述等方面需要帮助。他们中的

And some of them get very detailed into the  things that they actually do, like the medical  

一些人非常详细地了解他们实际所做的事情，比如医疗

procedures. Right. 

程序。正确的。

And I tell them just understand that  yes, medical people will be reading it,  

我告诉他们只要明白，是的，医疗人员会阅读它，

but also some non-medical people. Don't lose them, right? 

但也有一些非医疗人员。不要失去他们，对吧？

Be very general 'cause the medical people  will understand you, but you'll also keep the  

非常笼统，因为医务人员会理解你，但你也会让

non-medical people interested, right? It's the same idea. 

非医务人员感兴趣，对吧？这是同样的想法。

Yep, that's a great point. And… and you said it extremely well,  

是的，这是一个很好的观点。而且……你说得非常好，

you're going to lose them. And then it you start to use words that  

你会失去他们的。然后你开始使用

they don't know, your audience is gone, right? Yeah, and they're and they're scanning too. 

他们不知道的词，你的听众就消失了，对吧？是的，他们也在扫描。

If they scan it, I can't get this. That's it. 

如果他们扫描它，我无法得到这个。而已。

They have no problem putting you  in the rejection file right away. 

他们可以立即将您放入拒绝文件中。

It reminds me of… I've interviewed a lot of  musicians over the years, and I always find  

这让我想起了……这些年来我采访了很多音乐家，我总是发现

that with jazz musicians they use a lot of you  know, when they talk about like inspirations  

爵士音乐家使用了很多你知道的，当他们谈论

for their career, there's always a list of names  that I have no idea what they're talking about. 

他们职业生涯的灵感时，总有一个名字列表我不知道他们在说什么。

But those names always come out, right? Yeah, the references. Yeah. 

但是这些名字总是会出现，对吧？是的，参考文献。是的。

Yeah, exactly. Even if… like for students who are watching  

是的，正是。即使......就像那些看

like sitcoms to learn English, I know that a lot  of the jokes or a lot of the big points made,  

情景喜剧一样学习英语的学生，我知道很多笑话或很多重要观点

have to do with references, and it's so if you  don't understand what's going on, don't worry,  

都与参考有关，如果你不明白发生了什么，别担心，

because it's not about English. Yeah, right. 

因为这不是关于英语的。是的，对。

It's about the cultural references. If you don't know them, you don't know them, so… 

这是关于文化参考的。如果你不认识他们，你就不认识他们，所以……

Yeah, that's true. That's an excellent point. 

是的，那是真的。这是一个很好的观点。

Well, very good. Well, we'll… we'll wrap it up  

嗯，很好。好吧，我们会……我们很快就会在

here shortly, but once again, congratulations on. I mean, a lot of different things, really, right? 

这里结束，但再次恭喜你。我的意思是，很多不同的东西，真的，对吧？

You're, you're, you're EngVid  videos are extremely popular. 

你是，你是，你是 EngVid 视频非常受欢迎。

You're continuing to work there, so  you can go and find Adam at engvid.com 

您将继续在那里工作，因此您可以在 engvid.com 上找到 Adam

Are those… those videos are not just at the  website, but they're also on YouTube as well. 

那些……这些视频不仅在网站上，还在 YouTube 上。

Is that correct? They're on, yeah, if you go ‘EngVid  

那是对的吗？他们在，是的，如果你去“EngVid

Adam,’ you'll find my videos. Very good. 

Adam”，你会找到我的视频。很好。

You can also find Adams homepage or  his home channel Write to the Top  

您还可以找到 Adams 主页或他的主页频道 Write to the Top

and that's W-R-I-T-E To the Top. A really popular channel there. 

，即 WRITE To the Top。那里非常受欢迎的频道。

You can watch Adam’s TEDx talk on his  channel, as I did before saying hello today. 

你可以在他的频道上观看亚当的 TEDx 演讲，就像我今天打招呼之前所做的那样。

Your books are available on… tell us…  tell us where we can find your books? 

你的书可以在……告诉我们……告诉我们在哪里可以找到你的书？

On Amazon and is there another location? Uh, writetotop.com no ‘the’ in the  

在亚马逊上，还有其他位置吗？ 呃，writetotop.com 网站地址 中没有“the” ，是吗？

website address, yeah? OK, writetotop.com  

好的，writetotop.com

no ‘the’ as you mentioned, right? You can find Adam’s books there as well. 

没有你提到的“the”，对吧？你也可以在那里找到亚当的书。

Well, very good, sir. You are an extremely busy man with all of the  

嗯，很好，先生。您是一个非常忙碌的人，拥有

content that you are constantly creating. So once again, congratulations. 

您不断创建的所有内容。所以再次恭喜。

Right. Yeah. It was a real pleasure to… to chat with you and… 

正确的。是的。真的很高兴……和你聊天……

You as well. Best or luck. 

还有你。最好还是运气。

And if you ever make it up to Seoul, then give us  a call and we'll get a cup of coffee or something. 

如果你能赶上首尔，那就给我们打个电话，我们会给你一杯咖啡什么的。

Absolutely. Thank you. Adam Benn, thank you. 

绝对地。谢谢你。亚当本，谢谢。

Thank you for joining us once  again on Speak English Fluently. 

感谢您再次加入我们的 Speak English Fluently。

I've been your host, Steve Hatherly, and if you're  interested in my own channel then you can find me. 

我一直是您的主持人，Steve Hatherly，如果您对我自己的频道感兴趣，可以找到我。

Search story time Steve Hatherly  and you can find me there. 

Search story time Steve Hatherly and you can find me there.

Hope you come back for the next video. And Adam, thank you, sir. 

Hope you come back for the next video. And Adam, thank you, sir.

Have a good one. Thank you.  

Have a good one.谢谢你。

You too.

You too.