engVid Adam Benn from Write to the Top Interview | Speak English Fluently with Steve Hatherly

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2022-10-13 ใƒป Shaw English Online


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engVid Adam Benn from Write to the Top Interview | Speak English Fluently with Steve Hatherly

8,177 views ใƒป 2022-10-13

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์•„๋ž˜ ์˜๋ฌธ์ž๋ง‰์„ ๋”๋ธ”ํด๋ฆญํ•˜์‹œ๋ฉด ์˜์ƒ์ด ์žฌ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

00:00
Welcome back to another editionย  of Speak English Fluently.ย 
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Speak English Fluently์˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ํŒ์— ์˜ค์‹  ๊ฒƒ์„ ํ™˜์˜ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
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Iโ€™m your host Steve Hatherly. My guest today is Adam Benn.ย 
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์ €๋Š” ํ˜ธ์ŠคํŠธ ์Šคํ‹ฐ๋ธŒ ํ—ค๋œ๋ฆฌ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ค๋Š˜์˜ ์†๋‹˜์€ ์•„๋‹ด ๋ฒค์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
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Adam has been teaching English for over 20ย  years now and has done so in many differentย ย 
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Adam์€ 20๋…„ ๋„˜๊ฒŒ ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ
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countries around the world. He's made some very popularย ย 
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์ „ ์„ธ๊ณ„ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ ๋‚˜๋ผ์—์„œ ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Š”
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teaching videos for EngVid.com. He has his own very popularย ย 
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EngVid.com์—์„œ ๋งค์šฐ ์ธ๊ธฐ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ต์œก ๋น„๋””์˜ค๋ฅผ ๋งŒ๋“ค์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Š” ์ž์‹ ์˜ ๋งค์šฐ ์ธ๊ธฐ ์žˆ๋Š”
00:24
YouTube channel called Write to the Top. And recently, very interesting, he did a talkย ย 
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YouTube ์ฑ„๋„์ธ Write to Top์„ ์šด์˜ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ตœ๊ทผ์— ๋งค์šฐ ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กญ๊ฒŒ ๊ทธ๋Š”
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for TedX on the importance of writing. He's written his own books.ย 
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TedX์—์„œ ๊ธ€์“ฐ๊ธฐ์˜ ์ค‘์š”์„ฑ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์—ฐ์„คํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Š” ์ž์‹ ์˜ ์ฑ…์„ ์ผ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
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And we're going to talk aboutย  all of those things today,ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์˜ค๋Š˜ ๊ทธ ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
00:37
Let me say hello to my fellow Canadianย  and, uh, guest today, Adam Benn.ย 
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. ๋™๋ฃŒ ์บ๋‚˜๋‹ค์ธ๊ณผ ์˜ค๋Š˜ ๊ฒŒ์ŠคํŠธ์ธ Adam Benn์—๊ฒŒ ์ธ์‚ฌ๋ฅผ ๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:42
How areโ€ฆ how are you doing, sir? Iโ€™m very good Steve, thanks.ย 
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์–ด๋•Œ์š”... ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์ง€๋‚ด์„ธ์š”, ์„ ์ƒ๋‹˜? ๋‚œ ์ •๋ง ์ข‹์€ ์Šคํ‹ฐ๋ธŒ, ๊ณ ๋งˆ์›Œ.
00:45
How are you? Iโ€™m great thank you.ย 
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์ž˜ ์ง€๋‚ด๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”? ์ •๋ง ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:46
You're from Toronto, yeah? Iโ€™m from Toronto, yeah.ย 
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ํ† ๋ก ํ† ์—์„œ ์˜ค์…จ์–ด์š”? ์ €๋Š” ํ† ๋ก ํ† ์—์„œ ์™”์–ด์š”. ๊ทธ๋ ‡์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:49
Actually, I should say โ€œTorontoโ€ย  like non-Torontonians, butโ€ฆย 
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์‚ฌ์‹ค, ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋น„ํ† ๋ก ํ† ์ธ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ "ํ† ๋ก ํ† "๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•ด์•ผ ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ...
00:54
Very good, uh, so let's see now where do we begin? You've been teachingย ย 
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์•„์ฃผ ์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์–ด, ๊ทธ๋Ÿผ ์ด์ œ ์–ด๋””์„œ๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•ด์•ผ ํ• ๊นŒ์š”? ๋‹น์‹ ์€
00:58
English for 24 years in total - a long time. And you've lived in so many different countriesย ย 
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์ด 24๋…„ ๋™์•ˆ ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์ณ ์™”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์„ธ๊ณ„
01:04
around the world. So what inspired youย ย 
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ ๋‚˜๋ผ์—์„œ ์‚ด์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ทธ๋ ‡๋‹ค๋ฉด
01:07
originally to move away from Canada? And where was your first destination?ย 
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์›๋ž˜ ์บ๋‚˜๋‹ค๋ฅผ ๋– ๋‚˜๊ฒŒ ๋œ ๋™๊ธฐ๋Š” ๋ฌด์—‡์ž…๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ฒซ ๋ชฉ์ ์ง€๋Š” ์–ด๋””์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
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And you can talk about that a little bit. So I was inโ€ฆ I was in Toronto.ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์กฐ๊ธˆ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š”... ํ† ๋ก ํ† ์— ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:16
And I loved traveling. So I just wanted to travel around the world.ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์—ฌํ–‰์„ ์ข‹์•„ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ „ ์„ธ๊ณ„๋ฅผ ์—ฌํ–‰ํ•˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:20
So originally, my first idea wasย  to, you know, learn how to cook.ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์›๋ž˜ ์ œ ์ฒซ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ์•„์ด๋””์–ด๋Š” ์š”๋ฆฌํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฒ•์„ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
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Maybe become a chef becauseย  people have to eat everywhere.ย 
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ์–ด๋””์„œ๋‚˜ ๋จน์–ด์•ผ ํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์š”๋ฆฌ์‚ฌ๊ฐ€ ๋  ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:28
I can always go somewhereย  and find a job as a chef.ย 
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๋‚˜๋Š” ํ•ญ์ƒ ์–ด๋”˜๊ฐ€์— ๊ฐˆ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ณ  ์š”๋ฆฌ์‚ฌ๋กœ ์ง์—…์„ ์ฐพ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:30
So I went to culinary school for a year. I did that.ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ 1๋…„ ๋™์•ˆ ์š”๋ฆฌ ํ•™๊ต์— ๋‹ค๋…”๋‹ค. ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๊ฑฐ ํ–ˆ์–ด.
01:34
I worked in a few restaurants and Iย  realized that I really hated that job.ย 
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๋ช‡๋ช‡ ๋ ˆ์Šคํ† ๋ž‘์—์„œ ์ผํ–ˆ๊ณ  ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ ์ง์—…์„ ์ •๋ง๋กœ ์‹ซ์–ดํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊นจ๋‹ฌ์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:38
Oh, really. So I needed something else.ย 
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์˜ค, ์ง„์งœ. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๊ฒƒ์ด ํ•„์š”ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:41
And one day, I saw an advertisement, it said,ย  โ€œDo you want to live overseas and teach English?โ€ย 
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋˜ ์–ด๋Š ๋‚  "ํ•ด์™ธ์— ์‚ด๋ฉด์„œ ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜๊ณ  ์‹ถ์œผ์„ธ์š”?"๋ผ๋Š” ๊ด‘๊ณ ๋ฅผ ๋ดค๋‹ค.
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And I thought, โ€œYeah, I do.โ€ So I applied.ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  "๋„ค, ์•Œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค."๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์‹ ์ฒญํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
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I got a job and I went to Japan. That was my first overseas teaching experience.ย 
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์ทจ์—…์„ ํ•ด์„œ ์ผ๋ณธ์— ๊ฐ”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋‚˜์˜ ์ฒซ ํ•ด์™ธ ๊ต์œก ๊ฒฝํ—˜์ด์—ˆ๋‹ค.
01:54
Very good. Whereโ€ฆ what other countries have you lived in?ย 
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๋งค์šฐ ์ข‹์€. ์–ด๋””โ€ฆ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์–ด๋–ค ๋‚˜๋ผ์—์„œ ์‚ด์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
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So I lived in Japan. I actually taught in Toronto and Vancouver.ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ผ๋ณธ์—์„œ ์‚ด์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ํ† ๋ก ํ† ์™€ ๋ฐด์ฟ ๋ฒ„์—์„œ ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์ณค์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:02
Oh, OK. In Canada.ย 
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์˜ค ๊ทธ๋ž˜. ์บ๋‚˜๋‹ค์—์„œ.
02:03
I lived in Turkey, in Israel, and now in Korea.ย 
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๋‚˜๋Š” ํ„ฐํ‚ค, ์ด์Šค๋ผ์—˜, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ง€๊ธˆ ํ•œ๊ตญ์—์„œ ์‚ด์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:07
Wow. So Israel was your last stopย  before coming to live in Korea?ย 
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์šฐ์™€. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ด์Šค๋ผ์—˜์ด ํ•œ๊ตญ์— ์‚ด๊ธฐ ์ „์— ๋งˆ์ง€๋ง‰์œผ๋กœ ๋“ค๋ฅธ ๊ณณ์ด์—ˆ๋‚˜์š”?
02:11
Uh, well a while ago, I went back to Canadaย  since then, but then I came here, again, yeah.ย 
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์–ด, ์–ผ๋งˆ ์ „์— ๊ทธ ์ดํ›„๋กœ ์บ๋‚˜๋‹ค๋กœ ๋Œ์•„๊ฐ”์ง€๋งŒ, ๋‹ค์‹œ ์—ฌ๊ธฐ๋กœ ์™”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:16
Oh, very good soโ€ฆ What made you come to Korea this timeย ย 
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์•„ ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ์ข‹๋‹ค.. ์ด๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋งŽ์€ ๋‚˜๋ผ์—์„œ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์„ ํ•˜๊ณ 
02:19
having experience in so many other countries? Uh, I actually met a very nice Korean woman.ย 
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์ด๋ฒˆ์— ํ•œ๊ตญ์— ์˜ค๊ฒŒ ๋œ ๊ณ„๊ธฐ๋Š” ? ์–ด, ์‚ฌ์‹ค ์•„์ฃผ ์ข‹์€ ํ•œ๊ตญ ์—ฌ์„ฑ์„ ๋งŒ๋‚ฌ์–ด์š”.
02:25
Oh, there it is. Oh, there it is.ย 
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์˜ค, ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ ์žˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ค, ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ ์žˆ๋‹ค.
02:27
So we came here. Plus, uh,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์— ์™”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฒŒ๋‹ค๊ฐ€, ์–ด,
02:30
I live in Busan which is on right on the coast. So I liveโ€ฆ I have the ocean right in front of me.ย 
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๋ฐ”๋กœ ํ•ด์•ˆ๊ฐ€์— ์žˆ๋Š” ๋ถ€์‚ฐ์— ์‚ด๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‚˜๋Š” ์‚ฐ๋‹ค. ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋ฐ”๋‹ค๊ฐ€ ๋ฐ”๋กœ ๋‚ด ์•ž์— ์žˆ๋‹ค.
02:34
I have the mountains right behind me. It'sโ€ฆ it's a beautiful place to live.ย 
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๋ฐ”๋กœ ๋’ค์— ์‚ฐ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€... ์‚ด๊ธฐ์— ์•„๋ฆ„๋‹ค์šด ๊ณณ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:38
Oh, Busan, uh, ifโ€ฆ if ourโ€ฆ our audience membersย  have not beenโ€ฆ is one of the prettiest cities inย ย 
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์˜ค, ๋ถ€์‚ฐ, ์–ด, ๋งŒ์•ฝ... ๋งŒ์•ฝ... ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๊ด€๊ฐ๋“ค์€...
02:44
Korea. There's no question, yeah. Yeah, it's a very nice place.ย 
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ํ•œ๊ตญ์—์„œ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์•„๋ฆ„๋‹ค์šด ๋„์‹œ ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜์‹ฌ์˜ ์—ฌ์ง€๊ฐ€ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋„ค, ์•„์ฃผ ์ข‹์€ ๊ณณ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:47
So let's talk about EngVid first. Sure.ย 
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๋จผ์ € EngVid์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•ด ๋ณด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ™•์‹ ํ•˜๋Š”.
02:49
Uh, the videos that you do for EngVid.comย  that's engvid.com are insanely popular.ย 
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์–ด, engvid.com์ธ EngVid.com์„ ์œ„ํ•ด ๋งŒ๋“  ๋น„๋””์˜ค๋Š” ์—„์ฒญ๋‚˜๊ฒŒ ์ธ๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:55
They have nearly what - 2.96 millionย  subscribers I think was the number that I saw.ย 
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๊ฑฐ์˜ ๋ฌด์—‡์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค - 296๋งŒ ๋ช…์˜ ๊ตฌ๋…์ž๊ฐ€ ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๋ณธ ์ˆซ์ž๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:00
That's just from my channelย  โ€“ thereโ€™s other teachers.ย 
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์ œ ์ฑ„๋„์—์„œ ๊ฐ€์ ธ์˜จ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์„ ์ƒ๋‹˜๋“ค๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:02
Yeah, so that's incredible. They've made you one of theย ย 
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๋„ค, ์ •๋ง ๋†€๋ž์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋‹น์‹ ์„
03:06
most popular English teachers in the world. So how did thatโ€ฆ how did that all come to be?ย 
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์„ธ๊ณ„์—์„œ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์œ ๋ช…ํ•œ ์˜์–ด ๊ต์‚ฌ ์ค‘ ํ•œ ๋ช…์œผ๋กœ ๋งŒ๋“ค์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ... ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๋‹ค ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋œ๊ฑฐ์•ผ?
03:11
Uh, interestingly, I worked for theย  relatives of the guy who owns EngVid.ย 
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์–ด, ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กญ๊ฒŒ๋„ ์ €๋Š” EngVid๋ฅผ ์†Œ์œ ํ•œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์˜ ์นœ์ฒ™์„ ์œ„ํ•ด ์ผํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:18
Like, while I was living inย  Toronto, I was also teaching there.ย 
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ํ† ๋ก ํ† ์— ์‚ฌ๋Š” ๋™์•ˆ ๊ทธ๊ณณ์—์„œ ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜๊ธฐ๋„ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:21
And Iโ€ฆ and I worked with, uh, his mom. And when I came back from some travels,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š”... ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ์˜ ์—„๋งˆ์™€ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์ผํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์—ฌํ–‰์„ ๋งˆ์น˜๊ณ  ๋Œ์•„์™”์„ ๋•Œ,
03:27
she contacted me, and asked me,ย  โ€œDo you want to make some videos?โ€ย 
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๊ทธ๋…€๊ฐ€ ์ €์—๊ฒŒ ์—ฐ๋ฝ์„ ํ•ด์„œ "๋น„๋””์˜ค๋ฅผ ์ฐ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?"๋ผ๊ณ  ๋ฌผ์—ˆ๋‹ค.
03:30
Because she knows I know how to teach. And I know English, and world experience,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋…€๋Š” ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜๋Š” ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์„ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š” ์˜์–ด์™€ ์„ธ๊ณ„ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์„ ์•Œ๊ณ 
03:34
so I said, โ€œYeah, sure. Iโ€™ll go try it.โ€ And I did it.ย 
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์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— โ€œ๋„ค, ๋ฌผ๋ก ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ€์„œ ํ•ด๋ณผ๊ฒŒ.โ€ ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ํ–ˆ๋‹ค.
03:37
And it took off. And I have kept doing it.ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ด๋ฅ™ํ–ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ณ„์† ํ•ด์™”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:40
Wow, how many years has itโ€ฆย  how many years has it been now?ย 
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์™€, ๋ช‡ ๋…„์ด ํ˜๋ €์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒโ€ฆ ์ง€๊ธˆ์€ ๋ช‡ ๋…„ ๋œ ๊ฒ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
03:43
It's funny. I was just looking at it.ย 
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์žฌ๋ฏธ์žˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„๋ณด๊ณ  ์žˆ์—ˆ๋‹ค.
03:44
I was looking at my first videoย  just to see what it was like.ย 
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์ฒ˜์Œ ์˜์ƒ์„ ๋ณด๊ณ  ์–ด๋–ค ๋Š๋‚Œ์ด์—ˆ๋Š”์ง€ ๋ณด๋ ค๊ณ  ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:47
It was 10 years ago. Goodness me.ย 
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10๋…„ ์ „ ์ผ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ง™์†Œ์‚ฌ.
03:50
Well done. Congratulations on your success. Almost 3 million for just for your channel.ย 
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์ž˜ํ–ˆ์–ด์š”. ์„ฑ๊ณต์„ ์ถ•ํ•˜ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ท€ํ•˜์˜ ์ฑ„๋„์—๋งŒ ๊ฑฐ์˜ 3๋ฐฑ๋งŒ ๋‹ฌ๋Ÿฌ๊ฐ€ ์†Œ์š”๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:55
That's incredible. Yeah.ย 
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๋ฏฟ์–ด์ง€์ง€๊ฐ€ ์•Š๋Š”๋‹ค. ์‘.
03:57
What types of videos do youย  enjoy making for EngVid?ย 
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EngVid๋ฅผ ์œ„ํ•ด ์–ด๋–ค ์œ ํ˜•์˜ ๋น„๋””์˜ค๋ฅผ ๋งŒ๋“œ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ข‹์•„ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
04:01
To be honest, I... I likeย  making the grammar videos.ย 
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์†”์งํžˆ ๋งํ•ด์„œ ์ €๋Š”... ๋ฌธ๋ฒ• ๋น„๋””์˜ค๋ฅผ ๋งŒ๋“œ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ข‹์•„ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:04
I know a lot of teachers don'tย  like to teach the grammar.ย 
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๋งŽ์€ ์„ ์ƒ๋‹˜๋“ค์ด ๋ฌธ๋ฒ• ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š”๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:06
I know the students don'tย  necessarily like to learn grammarย ย 
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ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์ด ๋ฐ˜๋“œ์‹œ ๋ฌธ๋ฒ•์„ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜์ง€๋Š”
04:11
but it's very important I like grammar I like But it's very important.ย 
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์•Š์ง€๋งŒ ๋งค์šฐ ์ค‘์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €๋Š” ๋ฌธ๋ฒ•์„ ์ข‹์•„ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €๋Š” ์ข‹์•„ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋งค์šฐ ์ค‘์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:14
I like grammar. I like to see a studentโ€™s face when he or sheโ€ฆย 
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๋ฌธ๋ฒ•์„ ์ข‹์•„ํ•œ๋‹ค. ๋‚˜๋Š” ํ•™์ƒ์ด ...
04:17
Oh, I get it. You know that โ€œAh haโ€ moment.ย 
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์•„, ์•Œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. "์•„ํ•˜" ์ˆœ๊ฐ„์„ ์•Œ์ž–์•„์š”.
04:20
Right. And so,ย ย 
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์˜ค๋ฅธ์ชฝ. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ,
04:21
Iโ€ฆ I like the grammar, so I like to teach that. But, I do all kinds of lessons.ย 
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์ €๋Š”โ€ฆ ์ €๋Š” ๋ฌธ๋ฒ•์„ ์ข‹์•„ํ•ด์„œ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ข‹์•„ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋ชจ๋“  ์ข…๋ฅ˜์˜ ์ˆ˜์—…์„ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:26
I do general English. I do like phrasal verbs, vocabulary,ย ย 
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์ €๋Š” ์ผ๋ฐ˜ ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ตฌ๋™์‚ฌ, ์–ดํœ˜,
04:31
some pronunciation, writing, testย  prep, a little bit of everything.ย 
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์ผ๋ถ€ ๋ฐœ์Œ, ์“ฐ๊ธฐ, ์‹œํ—˜ ์ค€๋น„, ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์„ ์กฐ๊ธˆ ์ข‹์•„ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:35
I remember talking to my students whenย  I taught university here in Korea,ย ย 
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์—ฌ๊ธฐ ํ•œ๊ตญ์—์„œ ๋Œ€ํ•™์„ ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์ณค์„ ๋•Œ ์ œ ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค๊ณผ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋‚˜๋ˆ„๋˜ ๊ธฐ์–ต์ด ๋‚ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:40
and I said to them, I bet your grammar inย  English is better than my grammar in English.ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์˜์–ด ๋ฌธ๋ฒ•์ด ์ œ ์˜์–ด ๋ฌธ๋ฒ•๋ณด๋‹ค ๋‚ซ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:45
Yeah, yeah. Because that's a large focus.ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜, ๊ทธ๋ž˜. ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ํฐ ์ดˆ์ ์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:47
That's where they learned the most, yeah. Uh, in in their younger years, right?ย 
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๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ๊ฐ€์žฅ ๋งŽ์ด ๋ฐฐ์šด ๊ณณ์ด์ฃ . ์–ด, ์ Š์€ ์‹œ์ ˆ์ด์ฃ ?
04:51
Have you noticed that? You know,ย ย 
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๋ˆˆ์น˜์ฑ„์…จ๋‚˜์š”? ํ•œ๊ตญ ์œผ๋กœ
04:53
after moving to Korea and living in Turkey andย  Israel and teaching in Toronto and Vancouverโ€ฆย 
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๊ฑด๋„ˆ๊ฐ€ ํ„ฐํ‚ค์™€ ์ด์Šค๋ผ์—˜์— ๊ฑฐ์ฃผํ•˜๊ณ  ํ† ๋ก ํ† ์™€ ๋ฐด์ฟ ๋ฒ„์—์„œ ๊ฐ•์˜ํ•œ ํ›„...
04:58
Have you noticed that that Koreanย  students maybe have some different skills?ย ย 
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ํ•œ๊ตญ ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์ด ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๊ธฐ์ˆ ์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ์‚ฌ์‹ค์„ ์•Œ๊ณ  ๊ณ„์…จ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
05:03
Second language-wise or third language wise โ€ฆ.? Yeah, they focus. They focusย ย 
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์ œ2์™ธ๊ตญ์–ด๋‚˜ ์ œ3์–ธ์–ด๋กœ ....? ์˜ˆ, ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์ง‘์ค‘ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋“ค์€
05:07
very heavily on the grammar. And they do work on the vocabulary,ย ย 
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๋ฌธ๋ฒ•์— ๋งค์šฐ ์ง‘์ค‘ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์–ดํœ˜์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์ž‘์—…์„
05:12
but they don't necessarily go outsideโ€ฆ like theyโ€ฆย  they look at the technical aspects and they don'tโ€ฆย 
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋ฐ˜๋“œ์‹œ ์™ธ๋ถ€๋กœ ๋‚˜๊ฐ€๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋งˆ์น˜ ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด... ๊ธฐ์ˆ ์ ์ธ ์ธก๋ฉด์„ ๋ณด์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ๋“ค์€...
05:19
I don't think they do enough practice, which Iย  think is why it's a little difficult for them soโ€ฆย 
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์ถฉ๋ถ„ํ•œ ์—ฐ์Šต์„ ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š”๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ์–ด๋ ต์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค...
05:24
To like integrate those grammar lessonsย  and to use that vocabulary, etc.ย 
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๋ฌธ๋ฒ• ์ˆ˜์—…์„ ํ†ตํ•ฉํ•˜๊ณ  ๊ทธ ์–ดํœ˜๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ, ๋“ฑ๋“ฑ.
05:29
But I find that this is a Asian issue,ย  like the way Asian education systems work.ย 
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ๋‚˜๋Š” ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ์•„์‹œ์•„์˜ ๊ต์œก ์‹œ์Šคํ…œ์ด ์ž‘๋™ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐฉ์‹๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์€ ์•„์‹œ์•„์˜ ๋ฌธ์ œ๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ๊ฒŒ ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
05:36
A lot of them focused very heavily on theย  grammar and not enough about on the speakingย ย 
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๊ทธ๋“ค ์ค‘ ๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๋ฌธ๋ฒ•์— ๋งค์šฐ ์ง‘์ค‘ํ–ˆ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๊ธฐ
05:41
and the writing and the conversation. But that being said, having a strongย ย 
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์™€ ์“ฐ๊ธฐ, ๋Œ€ํ™”์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด์„œ๋Š” ์ถฉ๋ถ„ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋ฌธ๋ฒ• ๊ธฐ์ดˆ๊ฐ€ ํƒ„ํƒ„
05:45
grammar foundation makes it aย  whole lot easier, I think, toย ย 
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ํ•˜๋ฉด ๋‚˜์ค‘์— ํ›Œ๋ฅญํ•œ ์—ฐ์„ค์ž๊ฐ€ ๋˜๋Š”
05:49
become a great speaker in your later years, right? Yeah, but again, if you're willing to actuallyย ย 
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๊ฒƒ์ด ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋” ์‰ฌ์›Œ์ง‘๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ ? ์˜ˆ, ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋‹ค์‹œ, ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ
05:54
apply it, so that's the, that's the key, use it. That's the EngVid videos, but what aboutย ย 
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์ ์šฉํ•  ์˜์‚ฌ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ํ•ต์‹ฌ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜์„ธ์š”. ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ EngVid ๋น„๋””์˜ค์ด์ง€๋งŒ
06:00
your channel - Write to the Top? How, how did that come to be when youย ย 
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์ฑ„๋„์€ ์–ด๋–ป์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ - ์ƒ๋‹จ์— ์“ฐ๊ธฐ? ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ
06:05
decided toโ€ฆ to make that, you decidedย  to focus it on writing specifically?ย 
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... ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ•˜๊ธฐ๋กœ ๊ฒฐ์ •ํ–ˆ์„ ๋•Œ ๊ตฌ์ฒด์ ์œผ๋กœ ๊ธ€์“ฐ๊ธฐ์— ์ง‘์ค‘ํ•˜๊ธฐ๋กœ ๊ฒฐ์ •ํ•œ ์ด์œ ๋Š” ๋ฌด์—‡์ž…๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
06:12
Yeah, so where did the ideaย  for your own channel come from?ย 
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์˜ˆ, ์ž์‹ ์˜ ์ฑ„๋„์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ์•„์ด๋””์–ด๋Š” ์–ด๋””์—์„œ ์™”์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
06:15
Well, I again, I've taught in manyย  places and I've I especially startedย ย 
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๊ธ€์Ž„์š”, ์ €๋Š” ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ ๊ณณ์—์„œ ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์ณค๊ณ  ํŠนํžˆ
06:19
teaching a test prep like IELTS and TOEFL. And Iโ€ฆ I looked at statistics, and I lookedย ย 
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IELTS์™€ TOEFL๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์€ ์‹œํ—˜ ์ค€๋น„๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š”... ํ†ต๊ณ„๋ฅผ ๋ณด์•˜๊ณ 
06:25
at my own students, and other people students, andย  I realized that like very consistently, it doesn'tย ย 
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์ œ ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค๊ณผ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์„ ๋ณด์•˜๊ณ  ๋งค์šฐ ์ผ๊ด€๋˜๊ฒŒ,
06:31
matter what country you come from, everybodyโ€™sย  worst scores are in the writing section.ย 
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์–ด๋Š ๋‚˜๋ผ์—์„œ ์™”๋Š”์ง€๋Š” ์ค‘์š”ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ชจ๋“  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์˜ ์ตœ์•…์˜ ์ ์ˆ˜๋Š” ์ž‘๋ฌธ ์˜์—ญ์— ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊นจ๋‹ฌ์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:37
And a lot of teachers, as much asย  they can, they try to avoid teachingย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋งŽ์€ ์„ ์ƒ๋‹˜๋“ค์ด
06:42
the writing because it's a very hard skill. So a lot of teachers don't like to teach it.ย 
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์“ฐ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋งค์šฐ ์–ด๋ ค์šด ๊ธฐ์ˆ ์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๊ฐ€๋Šฅํ•œ ํ•œ ํ”ผํ•˜๋ ค๊ณ  ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋งŽ์€ ๊ต์‚ฌ๋“ค์ด ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
06:48
Some, even English teachers areย  not the best writers, like nativeย ย 
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์˜์–ด ์›์–ด๋ฏผ ์ด ํ›Œ๋ฅญํ•œ ์ž‘๊ฐ€๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹Œ
06:52
speakers are not are not great writers. And so I realized that I should focusย ย 
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๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ์˜์–ด ๊ต์‚ฌ์กฐ์ฐจ๋„ ์ตœ๊ณ ์˜ ์ž‘๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ
06:57
on that because I like it for one thing. The students need it for another thing.ย 
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ํ•œ ๊ฐ€์ง€๋ฅผ ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์ง‘์ค‘ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊นจ๋‹ฌ์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์€ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ผ์„ ์œ„ํ•ด ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ํ•„์š”๋กœ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:03
And if it helps them, especially withย  tests and like getting a job and all thatโ€ฆย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๊ทธ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ๋„์›€์ด ๋œ๋‹ค๋ฉด, ํŠนํžˆ ์‹œํ—˜๊ณผ ์ทจ์—…๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์€ ๋ชจ๋“  ์ผ์— ๋„์›€์ด ๋œ๋‹ค๋ฉดโ€ฆ
07:09
A lot of people don't realize that writing isย  something you're going to do your whole life.ย 
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๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ๊ธ€์“ฐ๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ํ‰์ƒ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•˜๋Š” ์ผ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊นจ๋‹ซ์ง€ ๋ชปํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:13
You're going to write resumes. You're going to write cover letters,ย ย 
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์ด๋ ฅ์„œ๋ฅผ ์ž‘์„ฑํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์ปค๋ฒ„ ๋ ˆํ„ฐ๋ฅผ ์“ธ
07:16
you're going to write memos, you're goingย  to write all kinds of things in business,ย ย 
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๊ฒƒ์ด๊ณ , ๋ฉ”๋ชจ๋ฅผ ์“ธ ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ณ , ๋น„์ฆˆ๋‹ˆ์Šค์—์„œ, ๋น„์ฆˆ๋‹ˆ์Šค
07:20
outside of business, even on social media. Your captions have to be understood, right?ย 
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์™ธ๋ถ€์—์„œ, ์‹ฌ์ง€์–ด ์†Œ์…œ ๋ฏธ๋””์–ด์—์„œ๋„ ๋ชจ๋“  ์ข…๋ฅ˜์˜ ๊ฒƒ์„ ์“ธ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์บก์…˜์€ ์ดํ•ดํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค, ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ ?
07:26
So it's all about writing. So that's why I decided to open this channel.ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์ด ๊ธ€์“ฐ๊ธฐ์— ๊ด€ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ด ์ฑ„๋„์„ ์—ด๊ธฐ๋กœ ๊ฒฐ์ •ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:30
I think you're absolutely right. That evenโ€ฆ even native English speakers are notย ย 
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์ ˆ๋Œ€์ ์œผ๋กœ ์˜ณ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‹ฌ์ง€์–ด... ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ชจ๊ตญ์–ด๋กœ ํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด๋ผ๋„
07:35
necessarily good writers because it's somethingย  that we learn perhaps in elementary, middle,ย ย 
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๋ฐ˜๋“œ์‹œ ์ข‹์€ ์ž‘๊ฐ€๋Š” ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€
07:40
high school, maybe in university, dependingย  on what you study, but that that's kind of it.ย 
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๊ณต๋ถ€ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์— ๋”ฐ๋ผ ์ดˆ, ์ค‘, ๊ณ ๋“ฑํ•™๊ต, ๋Œ€ํ•™๊ต์—์„œ ๋ฐฐ์šธ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ ์ •๋„์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
07:45
That'sโ€ฆ that's kind of when it stops, right? And if you're never really, if you're neverย ย 
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๊ทธ๊ฒŒ... ๋ฉˆ์ท„์„ ๋•Œ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๊ฑฐ์ž–์•„์š”, ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ ?
07:49
really taught specifically how toย  be a good writer, then it's notย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋งŒ์•ฝ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์ •๋ง๋กœ ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€ ์•Š๋‹ค๋ฉด, ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์ข‹์€ ์ž‘๊ฐ€๊ฐ€ ๋˜๋Š” ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์„ ๊ตฌ์ฒด์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋ฐฐ์šด
07:53
something that's going to come naturally, correct? No, itโ€ฆ it doesn't come naturally because it takesย ย 
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์ ์ด ์—†๋‹ค๋ฉด , ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ž์—ฐ์Šค๋Ÿฝ๊ฒŒ ์˜ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋งž์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ์•„๋‹ˆ์š”, ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€โ€ฆ
07:58
a lot of focus, which is again another reason Iย  think a lot of people tend to stay away from it.ย 
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๋งŽ์€ ์ง‘์ค‘์„ ์š”ํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์ž์—ฐ์Šค๋Ÿฝ๊ฒŒ ์˜ค์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ๋‹ค์‹œ ๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ฉ€๋ฆฌํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒฝํ–ฅ์ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋Š” ๋˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ด์œ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:03
And also people take for grantedย  that theyโ€ฆ they speak well.ย 
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๋˜ํ•œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ์ž์‹ ์ด ... ๋ง์„ ์ž˜ํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋‹น์—ฐํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์—ฌ๊น๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:08
They can communicate well. So that's it's good enoughย ย 
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์˜์‚ฌ ์†Œํ†ต์„ ์ž˜ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋‹ค๊ฐ€์™”์„ ๋•Œ ์ถฉ๋ถ„
08:11
when it comes across, the message gets across inย  the writing, but it's not always the case, so...ย 
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ํ•˜๊ณ , ๋ฉ”์‹œ์ง€๊ฐ€ ๊ธ€์— ์ „๋‹ฌ๋˜์ง€๋งŒ ํ•ญ์ƒ ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€๋Š” ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ...
08:16
When did youโ€ฆ when did you start the channel? This one is about five years ago.ย 
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์–ธ์ œ... ์–ธ์ œ ์ฑ„๋„์„ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ์•ฝ 5๋…„ ์ „์˜ ์ผ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:20
Five years ago and what almostย  300,000 subscribers you're at now?ย 
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5๋…„ ์ „๊ณผ ํ˜„์žฌ ๊ฑฐ์˜ 300,000๋ช…์˜ ๊ตฌ๋…์ž๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
08:25
Yeah, 265, yeah. Wow, that's wonderful.ย 
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๋„ค, 265, ๋„ค. ์™€, ์ •๋ง ๋ฉ‹์ง€๋„ค์š”.
08:28
Congratulations on that as well. Thank you.ย 
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ๋„ ์ถ•ํ•˜๋“œ๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ณ ๋ง™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:30
Does that surprise you, I wonder? Because you said that, you know,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋‹น์‹ ์„ ๋†€๋ผ๊ฒŒ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋งํ–ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์—
08:34
teachers don't necessarily enjoyย  teaching writing and students also.ย 
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๊ต์‚ฌ๋Š” ๋ฐ˜๋“œ์‹œ ๊ธ€์“ฐ๊ธฐ์™€ ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์„ ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:38
Oh gosh, I have to write this again. Maybe something they don't love doing, butย ย 
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์–ด๋จธ๋‚˜ ์ด๊ฑฐ ๋˜ ์จ์•ผ์ง€. ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š” ์ผ์ผ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ
08:42
obviously your channel is extremely successful. Has the success surprised you at all?ย 
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๋ถ„๋ช…ํžˆ ๊ท€ํ•˜์˜ ์ฑ„๋„์€ ๋งค์šฐ ์„ฑ๊ณต์ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์„ฑ๊ณต์ด ๋‹น์‹ ์„ ์ „ํ˜€ ๋†€๋ผ๊ฒŒ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
08:48
A little bit, because for one thing,ย  it's a little bit higher level English.ย 
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์กฐ๊ธˆ, ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ํ•œ ๊ฐ€์ง€๋Š” ์กฐ๊ธˆ ๋” ๋†’์€ ์ˆ˜์ค€์˜ ์˜์–ด์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
08:52
It's notโ€ฆ it's not for beginners. It'sโ€ฆ you have to have a certain base ofย ย 
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€... ์ดˆ๋ณด์ž๋ฅผ ์œ„ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ด ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€โ€ฆ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด
08:56
vocabulary and grammar to be able to write well. Plus, I think that, again, a lot of peopleย ย 
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๊ธ€์„ ์ž˜ ์“ฐ๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด์„œ๋Š” ์–ดํœ˜์™€ ๋ฌธ๋ฒ• ์˜ ์ผ์ •ํ•œ ๊ธฐ์ดˆ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์–ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฒŒ๋‹ค๊ฐ€, ๋‹ค์‹œ ๋งํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค
09:03
don't want to learn writing - They need to. So surprised, but not surprised.ย 
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์ด ๊ธ€์“ฐ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์–ดํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š”๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๋†€๋ž์ง€๋งŒ ๋†€๋ผ์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:09
EngVid, thereโ€™s people who needs to learnย  English, and those who want to learn it.ย 
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EngVid, ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์›Œ์•ผ ํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ์žˆ๊ณ  ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ณ  ์‹ถ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:14
Right. Whereas my channel,ย ย 
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์˜ค๋ฅธ์ชฝ. ๋ฐ˜๋ฉด ์ œ ์ฑ„๋„
09:15
I think it's more aboutย  needing to than wanting to.ย 
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์€ ์›ํ•˜๊ธฐ๋ณด๋‹ค ํ•„์š”๋กœ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋” ์ค‘์š”ํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:18
Understood. What are whatย ย 
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์ดํ•ดํ–ˆ๋‹ค.
09:20
are some of theโ€ฆ the basic tips that you giveย  students to try to improve their writing skills?ย 
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์ž‘๋ฌธ ๋Šฅ๋ ฅ์„ ํ–ฅ์ƒ์‹œํ‚ค๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์ œ๊ณตํ•˜๋Š”... ๊ธฐ๋ณธ ํŒ์€ ๋ฌด์—‡
09:26
The key is, like anything else, practice. You have to get practice, but as much asย ย 
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์ž…๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ์—ด์‡ ๋Š” ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๋งˆ์ฐฌ๊ฐ€์ง€๋กœ ์—ฐ์Šต์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์—ฐ์Šต๋„ ํ•ด๋ด์•ผ ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ
09:31
possible get feedback as well.? Because you can write all day,ย ย 
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ํ”ผ๋“œ๋ฐฑ๋„ ์ตœ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋งŽ์ด..? ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ํ•˜๋ฃจ ์ข…์ผ ๊ธ€์„ ์“ธ ์ˆ˜
09:35
but if nobody, excuse me, if nobody is pointingย  out the mistakes you're making, you're justย ย 
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์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ ์•„๋ฌด๋„ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š” ์‹ค์ˆ˜๋ฅผ ์ง€์ ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š”๋‹ค๋ฉด ๋‹น์‹ ์€
09:40
going to keep making them right. So that's the hard part.ย 
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๊ณ„์† ์˜ณ๊ฒŒ ๋งŒ๋“ค ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์–ด๋ ค์šด ๋ถ€๋ถ„์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:44
I usedโ€ฆ I used to tell my studentsโ€ฆย  I used to make them keep a diary.ย 
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์ €๋Š”โ€ฆ ์ œ ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒโ€ฆ ์ €๋Š” ์ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์“ฐ๊ฒŒ ํ•˜๊ณค ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:49
And I would tell them to writeย  about any topic they want every day.ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋งค์ผ ์›ํ•˜๋Š” ์ฃผ์ œ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๊ธ€์„ ์“ฐ๋ผ๊ณ  ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
09:54
And I realized after I gave the assignmentย  teaching so many different classes at universityย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋Œ€ํ•™์—์„œ ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๋งŽ์€ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ˆ˜์—…์„ ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜๋Š” ๊ณผ์ œ๋ฅผ ์ˆ˜ํ–‰ํ•œ ํ›„ ๋‚˜๋Š”
09:59
that I had created a ton of extra work for myself. But I didn't mind.ย 
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๋‚˜ ์ž์‹ ์„ ์œ„ํ•ด ์—„์ฒญ๋‚œ ์ถ”๊ฐ€ ์ž‘์—…์„ ๋งŒ๋“ค์—ˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊นจ๋‹ฌ์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ฐœ์˜์น˜ ์•Š์•˜๋‹ค.
10:03
I didn'tโ€ฆ. I didn't want to bring that up,ย  but that's another reason a lot of teachersย ย 
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๋‚˜๋Š”ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜๋‹ค .... ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊บผ๋‚ด๊ณ  ์‹ถ์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋งŽ์€ ๊ต์‚ฌ
10:07
donโ€™t teach writing. So very true, right?ย 
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๋“ค์ด ์ž‘๋ฌธ์„ ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š” ๋˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ด์œ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•„์ฃผ ์‚ฌ์‹ค์ด์ฃ ?
10:10
But I didn't mind because theย  students โ€“ โ€œDo I have to do this?โ€ย 
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์ด โ€œ๊ผญ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?โ€๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ–ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๊ฐœ์˜์น˜ ์•Š์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:14
And I said, โ€œWell, yeah, because thisย  is really going to help your speakingย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š” ๋งํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. "๊ธ€์Ž„์š”. ์ž…์—์„œ ๋‹จ์–ด๋ฅผ ๊บผ๋‚ด๊ณ  ์ข…์ด์—
10:17
because you're just taking the words out of yourย  mouth and you're putting them down on paper.โ€ย 
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์ ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด ๋งํ•˜๊ธฐ์— ์ •๋ง ๋„์›€์ด ๋˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค."
10:22
Yeah. And then once I would correct it,ย ย 
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์‘. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๋‹ค์Œ ์ผ๋‹จ ์ˆ˜์ •ํ•˜๋ฉด
10:23
then I'd say, โ€œOK, now repeat this 10, 15,ย  20 times that paragraph that you just wrote.โ€ย 
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"์ข‹์•„, ์ด์ œ ๋ฐฉ๊ธˆ ์“ด ๋‹จ๋ฝ์„ 10๋ฒˆ, 15๋ฒˆ, 20๋ฒˆ ๋ฐ˜๋ณตํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค."๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:28
So do you agree with me? There's a strongย  connection between writing andโ€ฆ and conversation?ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋‚˜์™€ ๋™์˜ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ๊ธ€์“ฐ๊ธฐ์™€โ€ฆ ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋Œ€ํ™” ์‚ฌ์ด์—๋Š” ๊ฐ•ํ•œ ์—ฐ๊ด€์„ฑ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
10:35
So there's absolutely a connection, becauseย  again, listening and reading are passive skills.ย 
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๋‹ค์‹œ ๋งํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋“ฃ๊ธฐ์™€ ์ฝ๊ธฐ๋Š” ์ˆ˜๋™์  ๊ธฐ์ˆ ์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์ ˆ๋Œ€์ ์œผ๋กœ ์—ฐ๊ฒฐ๋˜์–ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:40
You're taking in the language and you'reย  processing it and making it work inside your head.ย 
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐ›์•„๋“ค์ด๊ณ  ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ฒ˜๋ฆฌํ•˜๊ณ  ๋จธ๋ฆฌ ์†์—์„œ ์ž‘๋™ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋งŒ๋“ญ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:45
Speaking and writing are active skills. You need to produce the language.ย 
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๋งํ•˜๊ธฐ์™€ ์“ฐ๊ธฐ๋Š” ๋Šฅ๋™์ ์ธ ๊ธฐ์ˆ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์–ธ์–ด๋ฅผ ์ƒ์‚ฐํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
10:50
So writing, forces you toย  think very clearly and arrangeย ย 
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์“ฐ๊ธฐ๋Š” ๋งค์šฐ ๋ช…ํ™•ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๊ณ  ๋งค์šฐ ๋ฐฐ์—ด
10:55
very and construct very clear sentences. Now, if you can do this regularly,ย ย 
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ํ•˜๊ณ  ๋งค์šฐ ๋ช…ํ™•ํ•œ ๋ฌธ์žฅ์„ ๊ตฌ์„ฑํ•˜๋„๋ก ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ž, ์ด๊ฒƒ์„ ์ •๊ธฐ์ ์œผ๋กœ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด,
11:01
it'll come out in your speaking as well. And you're speaking will be much better.ย 
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์—ฐ์„ค์—์„œ๋„ ๋“œ๋Ÿฌ๋‚  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋‚˜์•„์งˆ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:04
Because normally, otherwise speaking, you canย  just go around in circles to get to a point.ย 
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์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋งํ•˜์ž๋ฉด, ์›์„ ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๋ฉฐ ํ•œ ์ง€์ ์— ๋„๋‹ฌํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:10
Writing will help you focus your speaking as well. Oh, that's an excellent point.ย 
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์“ฐ๊ธฐ๋Š” ๋งํ•˜๊ธฐ์—๋„ ์ง‘์ค‘ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐ ๋„์›€์ด ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ค, ํ›Œ๋ฅญํ•œ ์ง€์ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:14
Yeah, because when you speak you can kind of sayย  the same thing 10 times over in a different way.ย 
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๋„ค, ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋งํ•  ๋•Œ ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋ฐฉ์‹์œผ๋กœ ๊ฐ™์€ ๊ฒƒ์„ 10๋ฒˆ์ด๋‚˜ ๋งํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:21
But when you're writing, you can't do that. You have to start atโ€ฆ at point A and getย ย 
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ธ€์„ ์“ธ ๋•Œ๋Š” ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. A ์ง€์ ์—์„œ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜์—ฌ
11:24
to point B by the time you're done. And there's no, there's no in between.ย 
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์™„๋ฃŒํ•  ๋•Œ๊นŒ์ง€ B ์ง€์ ์— ๋„์ฐฉํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์—†์–ด์š”, ๊ทธ ์‚ฌ์ด์— ์—†์–ด์š”.
11:27
Yeah, yeah. As quickly as possible.ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜, ๊ทธ๋ž˜. ์ตœ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋นจ๋ฆฌ.
11:28
It's a great point, I didn't think about that. Well speaking of writing, you've writtenย ย 
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์ข‹์€ ์ง€์ ์ด๋„ค์š” ์ƒ๊ฐ๋„ ๋ชปํ–ˆ๋„ค์š”. ๊ธ€์“ฐ๊ธฐ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋งํ•˜์ž๋ฉด, ๋‹น์‹ ์€
11:32
some books as well. Tell us about those.ย 
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๋˜ํ•œ ๋ช‡ ๊ถŒ์˜ ์ฑ…์„ ์ผ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์•Œ๋ ค์ฃผ์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค.
11:34
So again, both of these are the I've writtenย  two books like one is a series of books.ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‹ค์‹œ, ์ด ๋‘ ๊ถŒ์€ ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๋‘ ๊ถŒ์˜ ์ฑ…์„ ์ €์ˆ ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:39
It's all for the IELTS exam right now. It's to help people preparing for the IELTS exam.ย 
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์ด์ œ IELTS ์‹œํ—˜์„ ์œ„ํ•œ ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. IELTS ์‹œํ—˜์„ ์ค€๋น„ํ•˜๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์„ ๋•๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
11:43
The first one is called The Right Idea. Vocabulary and ideas and examples.ย 
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์ฒซ ๋ฒˆ์งธ๋Š” ์˜ฌ๋ฐ”๋ฅธ ์ƒ๊ฐ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์–ดํœ˜ ๋ฐ ์•„์ด๋””์–ด ๋ฐ ์˜ˆ.
11:49
Because again, if you if we're thinkingย  about Korean students, for example,ย ย 
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๋‹ค์‹œ ํ•œ ๋ฒˆ ๋ง์”€๋“œ๋ฆฌ์ง€๋งŒ ํ•œ๊ตญ ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ด๋ณด๋ฉด
11:53
one of the hardest things I've found that theyโ€ฆย  one of the most difficult aspects of the exam,ย ย 
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์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์–ด๋ ค์› ๋˜ ๊ฒƒ ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋Š”... ์‹œํ—˜์—์„œ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์–ด๋ ค์šด ๋ถ€๋ถ„ ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜๊ฐ€
11:59
is coming up with ideas quickly, right? They're focusing too much on their vocabulary,ย ย 
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์•„์ด๋””์–ด๋ฅผ ๋นจ๋ฆฌ ๋‚ด๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ ? ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์–ดํœ˜์—
12:04
focusing too much on the grammar. And then they panic becauseย ย 
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๋„ˆ๋ฌด ์ง‘์ค‘ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ณ  ๋ฌธ๋ฒ•์— ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ์ง‘์ค‘ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋“ค์€
12:07
they don't have any clear ideas. And this cost them a lot of points.ย 
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๋ช…ํ™•ํ•œ ์•„์ด๋””์–ด๊ฐ€ ์—†๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๋‹นํ™ฉํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ด๊ฒƒ์€ ๊ทธ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ๋งŽ์€ ์ ์ˆ˜๋ฅผ ์š”๊ตฌํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:12
So I always tell them thinkย  of ideas before the exam.ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ํ•ญ์ƒ ์‹œํ—˜ ์ „์— ์•„์ด๋””์–ด๋ฅผ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:16
So you mean on the IELTS? On the IELTS test?ย 
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IELTS๋ฅผ ๋ง์”€ํ•˜์‹œ๋Š” ๊ฑด๊ฐ€์š”? IELTS ์‹œํ—˜์—์„œ?
12:20
The essays, yes. They have to create something out of nowhere.ย 
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์—์„ธ์ด, ๊ทธ๋ ‡์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์•„๋ฌด๋ฐ๋„ ์—†๋Š” ๋ฌด์–ธ๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ๋งŒ๋“ค์–ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:24
They get a prompt. They get a questionย ย 
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ํ”„๋กฌํ”„ํŠธ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ›์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์งˆ๋ฌธ
12:26
and then they have to write like a 250ย  words minimum essay to support their idea.ย 
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์„ ๋ฐ›๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋“ค์˜ ์•„์ด๋””์–ด๋ฅผ ๋’ท๋ฐ›์นจํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ์ตœ์†Œ 250๋‹จ์–ด์˜ ์—์„ธ์ด์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ์ž‘์„ฑํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:31
OK. But they need to give reasons andย ย 
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ํ™•์ธ. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทผ๊ฑฐ๋ฅผ ์ œ์‹œํ•˜๊ณ 
12:35
support like examples but they don't know whatย  to say in like a very timed situation and theyย ย 
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์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด ์ง€์›ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•˜๋Š”๋ฐ ์‹œ๊ธ‰ํ•œ ์ƒํ™ฉ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋ฌด์Šจ ๋ง์„ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ• ์ง€ ๋ชฐ๋ผ
12:40
panic and then everything falls apart. If you have ideas before the test,ย ย 
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ํŒจ๋‹‰์— ๋น ์ง€๊ณ  ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ฌด๋„ˆ์ง„๋‹ค. ์‹œํ—˜ ์ „์— ์•„์ด๋””์–ด๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด
12:46
you're much more prepared forย  any question that comes up.ย 
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์–ด๋–ค ์งˆ๋ฌธ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด์„œ๋„ ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋” ์ž˜ ๋Œ€๋น„ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:48
So, for example, can you putย  that in a context for me?ย 
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์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด, ์ €๋ฅผ ์œ„ํ•œ ์ปจํ…์ŠคํŠธ์— ๋„ฃ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
12:51
Sure, so you're at, you're sayingย  like, OK, a very common question.ย 
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๋ฌผ๋ก , ๋‹น์‹ ์€ '์ข‹์•„, ์•„์ฃผ ํ”ํ•œ ์งˆ๋ฌธ'์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
12:54
Is it better to live in theย  countryside or in the city?ย 
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์‹œ๊ณจ์— ์‚ฌ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ข‹์„๊นŒ์š”, ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ๋„์‹œ์— ์‚ฌ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ข‹์„๊นŒ์š”?
12:57
So, you have to choose one, likeย  you have to have your introduction.ย 
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ์†Œ๊ฐœ๋ฅผ ๋ฐ›์•„์•ผ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋ฅผ ์„ ํƒํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:00
โ€œI believe it's more importantโ€ฆย  It's better to live in the cityโ€ฆโ€ย 
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โ€œ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋” ์ค‘์š”ํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹คโ€ฆ ๋„์‹œ์— ์‚ฌ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋” ๋‚ซ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹คโ€ฆโ€
13:03
And then you have to give reasons. You have to have two body paragraphsย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์ด์œ ๋ฅผ ์ œ์‹œํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋„์‹œ๊ฐ€ ๊ตญ๊ฐ€๋ณด๋‹ค ๋‚˜์€ ์ด์œ ๋ฅผ ์ œ์•ˆ ํ•˜๋Š” 2๊ฐœ์˜ ๋ณธ๋ฌธ ๋‹จ๋ฝ
13:07
suggestionโ€ฆ suggesting why theย  city is better than the country.ย 
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์ œ์•ˆ์ด ์žˆ์–ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:11
So, you have to give examplesย  like better transportation,ย ย 
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ๋” ๋‚˜์€ ๊ตํ†ต,
13:14
better infrastructure, better job opportunities. Then you have to give a bit of a contrast.ย 
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๋” ๋‚˜์€ ๊ธฐ๋ฐ˜ ์‹œ์„ค, ๋” ๋‚˜์€ ์ง์—… ๊ธฐํšŒ์™€ ๊ฐ™์€ ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ๋‹ค์Œ ์•ฝ๊ฐ„์˜ ๋Œ€๋น„๋ฅผ ์ฃผ์–ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:19
So, in the country you get moreย  privacy, more leisure time.ย 
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ๊ตญ๊ฐ€์—์„œ ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ์ƒํ™œ๊ณผ ์—ฌ๊ฐ€ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ์–ป์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:24
But you don't make as much money and the costย  of living is a little harder, dot, dot, dot.ย 
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋งŽ์€ ๋ˆ์„ ๋ฒŒ์ง€ ๋ชปํ•˜๊ณ  ์ƒํ™œ๋น„๋Š” ์กฐ๊ธˆ ๋” ์–ด๋ ต์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:29
Very basic essay there, but theyโ€ฆ That's a that's a great tip, though.ย 
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์•„์ฃผ ๊ธฐ๋ณธ์ ์ธ ์—์„ธ์ด๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ๋“ค์€... ๊ทธ๋ž˜๋„ ์ข‹์€ ํŒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
13:34
I mean, if you're just talking aboutย  a basic structure for.. for writing,ย ย 
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์ œ ๋ง์€, ๋งŒ์•ฝ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๊ธ€์„ ์“ฐ๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•œ..๋ฅผ ์œ„ํ•œ ๊ธฐ๋ณธ์ ์ธ ๊ตฌ์กฐ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด,
13:39
that's a really excellent tip is that, you know,ย  list one or two or three or four ideas to supportย ย 
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ •๋ง ํ›Œ๋ฅญํ•œ ํŒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋’ท๋ฐ›์นจํ•  ํ•˜๋‚˜, ๋‘˜, ์„ธ ๋˜๋Š” ๋„ค ๊ฐœ์˜ ์•„์ด๋””์–ด๋ฅผ ๋‚˜์—ดํ•˜๊ณ 
13:46
what you're saying, but then say, โ€œBut,ย  also, on the other side,โ€ 1, 2, 3 maybeย ย 
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, "๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜, ๋˜ํ•œ, ์ €ํŽธ์—์„œ", 1, 2, 3 ์•„๋งˆ๋„
13:53
and then come back and say, โ€œBut, ultimatelyโ€ฆโ€ That's it.ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‚˜์„œ ๋‹ค์‹œ ๋Œ์•„์™€์„œ "ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ, ๊ถ๊ทน์ ์œผ๋กœ..." ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๋‹ค์•ผ.
13:56
The most important don't forgetย  to come back to your side.ย 
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๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ค‘์š”ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ๊ณ์œผ๋กœ ๋Œ์•„์˜ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์žŠ์ง€ ๋งˆ์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค.
13:59
Yeah, yeah, that's... That don't forget that last paragraph.ย 
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์˜ˆ, ์˜ˆ, ๊ทธ๊ฑด... ๋งˆ์ง€๋ง‰ ๋‹จ๋ฝ์„ ์žŠ์ง€ ๋งˆ์„ธ์š”.
14:01
It's amazing how many people forget to do that. Oh, is that right?ย 
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์–ผ๋งˆ๋‚˜ ๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๊ทธ ์ผ์„ ์žŠ์–ด ๋ฒ„๋ฆฌ๋Š”์ง€ ๋†€๋ž์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ค, ๊ทธ๋ ‡์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
14:04
Oh, thatโ€™s interesting. And they lose a lot of points because of that.ย 
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์˜ค, ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กญ๊ตฐ์š”. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๋งŽ์€ ์ ์ˆ˜๋ฅผ ์žƒ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:08
Well, I guess Iโ€ฆ I guess I kind of get thatย  because you're so caught up in the moment.ย 
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๊ธ€์Ž„์š”, ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š”... ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๊ทธ ์ˆœ๊ฐ„์— ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ์‚ฌ๋กœ์žกํ˜€ ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์ดํ•ด๊ฐ€ ๋˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:13
Exactly. I suppose.ย 
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์ •ํ™•ํžˆ. ๋‚˜๋Š” ์ถ”์ธกํ•œ๋‹ค.
14:14
So I guess another tip forโ€ฆ for writing isโ€ฆ isย  go back and check, read what you've written,ย ย 
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๊ธ€์„ ์“ฐ๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•œ ๋˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ํŒ์€... ๋Œ์•„๊ฐ€์„œ ํ™•์ธํ•˜๊ณ ,
14:19
if you have the time. Always go back to yourย ย 
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์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์“ด ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ฝ์–ด๋ณด๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•ญ์ƒ ๋…ผ๋ฌธ์œผ๋กœ ๋Œ์•„๊ฐ€์„œ
14:21
thesis and make sure you'reย  supporting that thesis.ย 
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๊ทธ ๋…ผ๋ฌธ์„ ๋’ท๋ฐ›์นจํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€ ํ™•์ธํ•˜์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค.
14:25
Myโ€ฆ my father was a teacher for 34 years. He was a high school vice principal and heย ย 
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๋‚˜์˜โ€ฆ ๋‚˜์˜ ์•„๋ฒ„์ง€๋Š” 34๋…„ ๋™์•ˆ ๊ต์‚ฌ์˜€๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Š” ๊ณ ๋“ฑํ•™๊ต ๊ต๊ฐ์ด์—ˆ๊ณ 
14:30
taught English, and he was frustratedย  at his students not reading, um,ย ย 
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์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์ณค์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Š” ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์ด ์ฝ์œผ
14:36
the things that he was asking them to read. So when he gave a test, he said, โ€œRead all theseย ย 
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๋ผ๊ณ  ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ฝ์ง€ ์•Š๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ขŒ์ ˆํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๋Š” ์‹œํ—˜์„ ๋ณด์•˜์„ ๋•Œ โ€œ
14:40
questions before you answer any of them.โ€ That was at the top of the page.ย 
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๊ทธ๋“ค ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜์— ๋‹ตํ•˜๊ธฐ ์ „์— ์ด ๋ชจ๋“  ์งˆ๋ฌธ์„ ์ฝ์œผ์‹ญ์‹œ์˜คโ€๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํŽ˜์ด์ง€ ์ƒ๋‹จ์— ์žˆ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:44
And the very last thing on page two of the testย  was, โ€œDon't answer any of these questions.โ€ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ํ…Œ์ŠคํŠธ 2ํŽ˜์ด์ง€์˜ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ๋งˆ์ง€๋ง‰ ๋ถ€๋ถ„์€ "์ด ์งˆ๋ฌธ์— ๋‹ตํ•˜์ง€ ๋งˆ์„ธ์š”."์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:50
And he said that. None of the student, notย  one student handed it back an empty paper.ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋Š” ๋งํ–ˆ๋‹ค. ์–ด๋Š ํ•™์ƒ๋„, ํ•œ ํ•™์ƒ๋„ ๋นˆ ์ข…์ด๋ฅผ ๋Œ๋ ค์ฃผ์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
14:55
They all wroteโ€ฆ wrote the answers as they came. That's a mean, but effective.ย 
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋ชจ๋‘ ๋‹ต์„ ์ผ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹คโ€ฆ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์˜๋ฏธ๊ฐ€ ์—†์ง€๋งŒ ํšจ๊ณผ์ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:02
Any more books coming out and coming out for you?ย 
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์•ž์œผ๋กœ ๋‚˜์˜ฌ ์ฑ…์ด ๋” ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”?
15:04
So, I just recently, like a couple of monthsย  ago, I published another again IELTS book.ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ €๋Š” ๋‘์–ด ๋‹ฌ ์ „์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ์ตœ๊ทผ์— ๋˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ IELTS ์ฑ…์„ ์ถœํŒํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:08
I have about 40 samples of summaries andย  essays - fully edited, with, some withย ย 
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๋‚˜๋Š” ์•ฝ 40๊ฐœ์˜ ์š”์•ฝ ๋ฐ ์—์„ธ์ด ์ƒ˜ํ”Œ์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์™„์ „ํžˆ ํŽธ์ง‘๋˜์—ˆ์œผ๋ฉฐ ์ผ๋ถ€
15:16
notes on where people lost points andย  what they could do better next time.ย 
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์—๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ํฌ์ธํŠธ๋ฅผ ์žƒ์€ ๋ถ€๋ถ„๊ณผ ๋‹ค์Œ์— ๋” ์ž˜ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋ฉ”๋ชจ๊ฐ€ ํฌํ•จ๋˜์–ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:19
And now I'm working on aย  prepositions / collocations book.ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ง€๊ธˆ ์ €๋Š” ์ „์น˜์‚ฌ/์—ฐ์–ด ์ฑ…์„ ์ž‘์—…ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:24
Very nice.ย 
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์•„์ฃผ ์ข‹์•„.
15:25
Oh, that's a greatโ€ฆ that's a great book. Where you have examples of essays and thenย ย 
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์˜ค, ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ํ›Œ๋ฅญํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ํ›Œ๋ฅญํ•œ ์ฑ…์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์—์„ธ์ด์˜ ์˜ˆ์™€
15:28
the mistakes that were made. Yeah, so.ย 
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์‹ค์ˆ˜๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ณณ. ๋„ค, ๊ทธ๋ ‡์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:30
So it's a real practical exercise for students. I'm also an editor.ย 
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๋”ฐ๋ผ์„œ ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์„ ์œ„ํ•œ ์‹ค์ œ ์‹ค์Šต์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €๋„ ํŽธ์ง‘์ž์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:34
So my edits are veryโ€ฆ very detailed. But it's good for them to learn from soโ€ฆย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‚ด ํŽธ์ง‘์€ ๋งค์šฐ... ๋งค์šฐ ์ƒ์„ธํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ข‹์€ ์ผ์ด๋‹ˆ๊นŒโ€ฆ
15:40
Well, that's your main job, right? You'reโ€ฆ you're an editor down in Busan?ย 
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๊ธ€์Ž„์š”, ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ๋ณธ์—…์ด์ฃ ? ๋‹น์‹ ์€... ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋ถ€์‚ฐ์— ์žˆ๋Š” ํŽธ์ง‘์ž์ž…๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
15:44
I am online basically, soย  mostly I do everything online.ย 
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์ €๋Š” ๊ธฐ๋ณธ์ ์œผ๋กœ ์˜จ๋ผ์ธ์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๋Œ€๋ถ€๋ถ„ ์˜จ๋ผ์ธ์œผ๋กœ ๋ชจ๋“  ์ผ์„ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
15:48
I have it. Students from all over the world comingย ย 
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊ฐ€์ง€๊ณ ์žˆ๋‹ค. ์ „ ์„ธ๊ณ„์—์„œ ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค
15:51
to me to help them with their stuff. Oh, that's really cool.ย 
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์ด ์ž์‹ ์˜ ๋ฌผ๊ฑด์„ ๋„์šฐ๋ ค๊ณ  ์ €๋ฅผ ์ฐพ์•„์˜ต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ค, ์ •๋ง ๋ฉ‹์ง€๊ตฐ์š”.
15:54
How how's your experienceย  been inโ€ฆ in Busan so far?ย 
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์ง€๊ธˆ๊นŒ์ง€ ๋ถ€์‚ฐ์—์„œโ€ฆ
15:58
It'sโ€ฆ it'sโ€ฆ it's interestingย  for the foreign community.ย 
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€โ€ฆ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€โ€ฆ ์™ธ๊ตญ ์ปค๋ฎค๋‹ˆํ‹ฐ์— ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กœ์šด ์ผ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:01
If theyโ€ฆ if they live in Busan, they tend toย  live in Busan for their duration in Korea.ย 
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๋งŒ์•ฝ ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด... ๋ถ€์‚ฐ์— ์‚ฐ๋‹ค๋ฉด ํ•œ๊ตญ์— ์žˆ๋Š” ๋™์•ˆ ๋ถ€์‚ฐ์— ์‚ฌ๋Š” ๊ฒฝํ–ฅ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:06
For the Seoul expats, they tend to stayย  in Seoul for the duration of their times.ย 
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์„œ์šธ์— ๊ฑฐ์ฃผํ•˜๋Š” ์™ธ๊ตญ์ธ์˜ ๊ฒฝ์šฐ ์„œ์šธ์— ์ฒด๋ฅ˜ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒฝํ–ฅ์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:11
But everyone I've talked to who lives inย  Busan say that they absolutely love it there.ย 
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•œ ๋ถ€์‚ฐ์— ์‚ฌ๋Š” ๋ชจ๋“  ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ๊ทธ๊ณณ์„ ์ ˆ๋Œ€์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ข‹์•„ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:15
You've enjoyed, you've enjoyed your work there? Yeah, very much.ย 
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์ผ์„ ์ฆ๊ฒผ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ๊ทธ๋ž˜, ์•„์ฃผ ๋งŽ์ด.
16:18
I mean, I lived in Tokyo, so I think I'm, Iย  think I'm done with the Big city experience.ย 
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๋‚ด ๋ง์€, ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋„์ฟ„์— ์‚ด์•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๋Œ€๋„์‹œ์—์„œ์˜ ๊ฒฝํ—˜์€ ๋๋‚ฌ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:23
I don't think I want to live in Seoul. Plus again, when I feel like it, I goย ย 
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์„œ์šธ์— ์‚ด๊ณ  ์‹ถ์€ ์ƒ๊ฐ์€ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋˜ ๊ธฐ๋ถ„์ด ์ข‹์„ ๋•Œ
16:27
down to the beach, hang out, go paddle boarding,ย  whatever, then come home and work on the computer.ย 
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ํ•ด๋ณ€์— ๊ฐ€์„œ ๋†€๊ณ , ํŒจ๋“ค๋ณด๋“œ๋ฅผ ํƒ€๊ฑฐ๋‚˜, ์ง‘์— ๋Œ์•„์™€์„œ ์ปดํ“จํ„ฐ ์ž‘์—…์„ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:32
So it's nice. Perfect.ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ข‹๋‹ค. ์™„๋ฒฝํ•œ.
16:33
I left 5 minutes from the beach. Perfect.ย 
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๋‚˜๋Š” ํ•ด๋ณ€์—์„œ 5๋ถ„ ๊ฑฐ๋ฆฌ์— ์žˆ์—ˆ๋‹ค. ์™„๋ฒฝํ•œ.
16:36
Uhm, let's talk about the TEDx talk orย  that that you that you did recently.ย 
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์Œ, TEDx ๊ฐ•์—ฐ์ด๋‚˜ ์ตœ๊ทผ์— ํ•˜์‹  ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•ด ๋ด…์‹œ๋‹ค.
16:41
I watched it. I think you did a great job.ย 
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ณด์•˜๋‹ค. ํ›Œ๋ฅญํ•œ ์ผ์„ ํ•˜์…จ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:43
I think it was a very interesting topic.ย 
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๋งค์šฐ ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กœ์šด ์ฃผ์ œ์˜€๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:45
You talked about the importance of writing asย  we've already talked about a little bit today.ย 
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์˜ค๋Š˜ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ด๋ฏธ ์กฐ๊ธˆ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ–ˆ๋“ฏ์ด ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์“ฐ๊ธฐ์˜ ์ค‘์š”์„ฑ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:51
How did theโ€ฆ did the TEDx talk happen? They contacted you, obviously.ย 
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์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ... TEDx ๊ฐ•์—ฐ์ด ์ผ์–ด๋‚ฌ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋ถ„๋ช…ํžˆ ๋‹น์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ ์—ฐ๋ฝํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
16:56
Yeah, actually I'm friends with the organizer. And she's been wanting me to come for years,ย ย 
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๋„ค, ์‚ฌ์‹ค ์ €๋Š” ์ฃผ์ตœ์ธก๊ณผ ์นœ๊ตฌ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋…€๋Š” ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๋ช‡ ๋…„ ๋™์•ˆ ์˜ค๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์›ํ–ˆ์ง€๋งŒ ๋‚ด๊ฐ€
17:00
but there was never a theme that I would fit into. But this year, this year's theme was Empowered,ย ย 
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๋“ค์–ด๋งž๋Š” ์ฃผ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์—†์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์˜ฌํ•ด์˜ ์ฃผ์ œ๋Š” Empowered์˜€๊ณ ,
17:07
and being able to write isย  a very empowering thing, soย 
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๊ธ€์„ ์“ธ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋งค์šฐ ํž˜์ด ๋˜๋Š” ์ผ์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์—
17:12
it actually fits nicely this year. Well, I watched it, but I'll let you share.ย 
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์˜ฌํ•ด ์ •๋ง ์ž˜ ์–ด์šธ๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ธ€์Ž„, ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋ณด์•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๊ณต์œ ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:16
Whatโ€ฆ what were some of the things thatย  you talked about in your in your speech?ย 
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๋ฌด์Šจ... ์—ฐ์„ค์—์„œ ์–˜๊ธฐํ•œ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค ์ค‘ ๋ช‡ ๊ฐ€์ง€๋Š” ๋ฌด์—‡์ด์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
17:21
So, one thing Iโ€ฆ some of theseย  we already mentioned, like theย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ, ํ•œ ๊ฐ€์ง€... ์“ฐ๊ธฐ์™€ ๋งํ•˜๊ธฐ์˜ ์ฐจ์ด์ 
17:24
difference between writing and speaking. But how writing you have, it's just you and theย ย 
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๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์ด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ด๋ฏธ ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค ์ค‘ ์ผ๋ถ€์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์“ฐ๋Š” ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์€ ๋‹น์‹ ๊ณผ
17:30
text, and then it's just the reader and the text. Whereas speaking, you have your hands,ย ย 
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ํ…์ŠคํŠธ, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋…์ž์™€ ํ…์ŠคํŠธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋งํ•˜๊ธฐ์—๋Š” ์†
17:34
you have your face. You can go back and forth.ย 
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์ด ์žˆ๊ณ  ์–ผ๊ตด์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์•ž๋’ค๋กœ ๊ฐˆ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:36
And it's like, express different ideasย  until you reach an understanding.ย 
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์ดํ•ด๊ฐ€ ๋  ๋•Œ๊นŒ์ง€ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์ƒ๊ฐ์„ ํ‘œํ˜„ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:41
But writing is only the text, andย  if the reader can't understand you,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ๊ธ€์“ฐ๊ธฐ๋Š” ํ…์ŠคํŠธ์ผ ๋ฟ์ด๊ณ  ๋…์ž๊ฐ€ ๋‹น์‹ ์„
17:44
can't understand what you're saying, you didn't say anything.ย 
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์ดํ•ดํ•˜์ง€ ๋ชปํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ดํ•ดํ•˜์ง€ ๋ชปํ•œ๋‹ค๋ฉด ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์•„๋ฌด ๋ง๋„ ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์€ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:48
So it's very important to know howย  to write well and I gave some tips.ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ธ€์„ ์ž˜ ์“ฐ๋Š” ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์„ ์•„๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋งค์šฐ ์ค‘์š”ํ•˜๋ฉฐ ๋ช‡ ๊ฐ€์ง€ ํŒ์„ ์ฃผ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
17:52
For example, the 3C's. Be clear, be concise, be correct.ย 
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์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด 3C. ๋ช…ํ™•ํ•˜๊ณ  ๊ฐ„๊ฒฐํ•˜๊ณ  ์ •ํ™•ํ•˜์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค.
17:56
Right? Make sure you're doingย ย 
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์˜ค๋ฅธ์ชฝ? ๊ธ€์„ ์“ธ ๋•Œ ์ด ๋ชจ๋“ 
17:58
all these things when you're writing. Hold on, I gotta write that down.ย 
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์ž‘์—…์„ ์ˆ˜ํ–‰ํ–ˆ๋Š”์ง€ ํ™•์ธํ•˜์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค . ์ž ๊น๋งŒ์š”, ์ ์–ด๋†”์•ผ๊ฒ ์–ด์š”.
18:00
Three Cs. Use this for myself.ย 
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์„ธ ๊ฐœ์˜ C ๋‚˜ ์ž์‹ ์„ ์œ„ํ•ด ์ด๊ฒƒ์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค.
18:03
Yeah, every anything you write,ย  emails, essays, anything.ย 
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๋„ค, ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์“ฐ๋Š” ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ, ์ด๋ฉ”์ผ, ์—์„ธ์ด, ๋ฌด์—‡์ด๋“ .
18:08
It's all about being clear. Writing less is actually better than writing more.ย 
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๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋ช…ํ™•ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ ๊ฒŒ ์“ฐ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ๋งŽ์ด ์“ฐ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๋ณด๋‹ค ๋‚ซ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:12
A lot of people misunderstand that theyย  think more words is more impressive.ย 
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๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ๋ง์ด ๋งŽ์„์ˆ˜๋ก ๋” ์ธ์ƒ์ ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์˜คํ•ดํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:16
It's not. It's just more confusing.ย 
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๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€ ์•Š๋‹ค. ๋” ํ˜ผ๋ž€์Šค๋Ÿฌ์šธ ๋ฟ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
18:19
And just make sure you're writing correct things. Don't confuse your reader.ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์˜ฌ๋ฐ”๋ฅธ ๋‚ด์šฉ์„ ์ž‘์„ฑํ–ˆ๋Š”์ง€ ํ™•์ธํ•˜์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค. ๋…์ž๋ฅผ ํ˜ผ๋™ํ•˜์ง€ ๋งˆ์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค.
18:22
Make sure you know who your reader is so theyย  can get to your message and all that, yeah.ย 
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๋…์ž๊ฐ€ ๋ˆ„๊ตฌ์ธ์ง€ ํ™•์ธํ•˜์—ฌ ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ๋ฉ”์‹œ์ง€์™€ ๊ทธ ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ดํ•ดํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋„๋ก ํ•˜์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค.
18:27
Uhm, again, to use my dad as an example, he alwaysย  liked cars that had windows that you had to rollย ย 
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์Œ, ๋‹ค์‹œ ์•„๋ฒ„์ง€๋ฅผ ์˜ˆ๋กœ ๋“ค์ž๋ฉด, ์•„๋ฒ„์ง€๋Š”
18:33
up instead of power things. Old school.ย 
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๋™๋ ฅ ์žฅ์น˜ ๋Œ€์‹  ๋กค์—…ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•˜๋Š” ์ฐฝ๋ฌธ์ด ์žˆ๋Š” ์ž๋™์ฐจ๋ฅผ ํ•ญ์ƒ ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜์…จ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ค๋ž˜๋œ ํ•™๊ต.
18:37
Old school stuff and Iโ€ฆ I said, โ€œWhyย  do you? Why do you prefer that?โ€ย 
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์˜ฌ๋“œ ์Šค์ฟจ ๋ฌผ๊ฑด๊ณผ ๋‚˜๋Š”โ€ฆ "์™œ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ์„ธ์š”? ์™œ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์„ ํ˜ธํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?โ€
18:40
He said, โ€œThe more things you have inย  a car, the more things can go wrong.โ€ย 
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๊ทธ๋Š” "์ฐจ์— ๋ฌผ๊ฑด์ด ๋งŽ์„์ˆ˜๋ก ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ์ผ์ด ์ž˜๋ชป๋  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค"๊ณ  ๋งํ–ˆ๋‹ค.
18:44
Absolutely. And I think, I think that's a good,ย ย 
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์ „์ ์œผ๋กœ. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด
18:46
uh, a good way to think about writing as well. Just because you're using more words, doesn'tย ย 
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๊ธ€์“ฐ๊ธฐ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด์„œ๋„ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜๋Š” ์ข‹์€ ๋ฐฉ๋ฒ•์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ๋‹จ์–ด๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉ
18:52
necessarily mean those words are effective. And I remember Doctor Terry Whalen,ย ย 
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ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ํ•ด์„œ ๋ฐ˜๋“œ์‹œ ๊ทธ ๋‹จ์–ด๊ฐ€ ํšจ๊ณผ์ ์ธ ๊ฒƒ์€ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ œ ๋Œ€ํ•™ ๊ต์ˆ˜ ์ค‘ ํ•œ ๋ถ„์ธ ํ…Œ๋ฆฌ ์›จ์ผ๋Ÿฐ ๋ฐ•์‚ฌ
18:56
one of my professors in university, he would makeย  us, after we finished an essay, he would say,ย ย 
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๋Š” ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์—์„ธ์ด๋ฅผ ๋งˆ์นœ ํ›„ ์ด๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋งํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
19:01
โ€œGo back and take out every single word that isย  not absolutely necessary, to the point that you'reย ย 
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. ๋‹ค์‹œ
19:07
taking and just strip them all away and then youย  get a very clear, very concise piece of writing.โ€ย 
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๊ฐ€์ ธ์™€์„œ ๋ชจ๋‘ ์ œ๊ฑฐํ•˜๋ฉด ๋งค์šฐ ๋ช…ํ™•ํ•˜๊ณ  ๊ฐ„๊ฒฐํ•œ ๊ธ€์„ ์–ป์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.โ€
19:14
That's what you're talking about, yeah? Iโ€ฆ Iโ€ฆ I tell my students like when Iย ย 
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๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋งํ•˜๋Š”๊ฑฐ์•ผ, ์‘? ๋‚˜๋Š”โ€ฆ ๋‚˜โ€ฆ ๋‚˜๋Š” ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค
19:17
teach writing classes, I tell them when you'reย  whenever you have your first draft, first step,ย ย 
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์—๊ฒŒ ์ž‘๋ฌธ ์ˆ˜์—…์„ ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น  ๋•Œ, ์ฒซ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ์ดˆ์•ˆ์ด ์žˆ์„ ๋•Œ๋งˆ๋‹ค, ์ฒซ ๋ฒˆ์งธ ๋‹จ๊ณ„
19:23
cut out 5% of the word count. If you're good enough, make it 10%,ย ย 
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์—์„œ ๋‹จ์–ด ์ˆ˜์˜ 5%๋ฅผ ์ž˜๋ผ๋‚ด๋ผ๊ณ  ๋งํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์ถฉ๋ถ„ํžˆ ์ข‹๋‹ค๋ฉด 10%๋กœ
19:27
but start with 5%. Right away.ย 
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ํ•˜๋˜ 5%๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜๋ผ. ๊ณง.
19:29
Just get rid of words you don't needย  and then see how much clearer and moreย ย 
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ํ•„์š”ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์€ ๋‹จ์–ด๋ฅผ ์ œ๊ฑฐํ•œ ๋‹ค์Œ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋ณ€๊ฒฝ ์ž‘์—…์„ ์ˆ˜ํ–‰ํ•˜๊ธฐ ์ „์— ์ด๋ฏธ ๊ธ€์ด
19:33
effective your writing is alreadyย  before you do any other changes.ย 
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์–ผ๋งˆ๋‚˜ ๋ช…ํ™•ํ•˜๊ณ  ํšจ๊ณผ์ ์ธ์ง€ ํ™•์ธ ํ•˜์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค.
19:37
Your students must hate that, though, becauseย  you're you probably give them a word count,ย ย 
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์€ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๊ทธ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ๋‹จ์–ด ์ˆ˜๋ฅผ ์„ธ๊ฒŒ ํ•ด์ฃผ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์‹ซ์–ดํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:42
right? Like, OK, I need a I need a 800-wordย  essay or something, and everybody is trying to.ย 
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๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ ? ์˜ˆ, ์ €๋Š” 800๋‹จ์–ด ์—์„ธ์ด๊ฐ€ ํ•„์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋ชจ๋‘๊ฐ€ ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ•˜๋ ค๊ณ  ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
19:48
Yeah, exactly like thanks, Professor Benn. How's the response been from your studentsย ย 
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๋„ค, ์ •ํ™•ํžˆ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค, Benn ๊ต์ˆ˜๋‹˜. ์ด๋Ÿฐ ์ข…๋ฅ˜์˜ ์ˆ˜์—…์„ ํ–ˆ์„ ๋•Œ ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์˜ ๋ฐ˜์‘์€
19:55
when you give them these types of lessons? Do you get that feedback that you so much enjoy?ย 
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์–ด๋• ๋‚˜์š”? ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๊ทธํ† ๋ก ์ฆ๊ธฐ๋Š” ํ”ผ๋“œ๋ฐฑ์„ ๋ฐ›์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
20:00
Uh, I do. Iโ€ฆ I love the feedback.ย 
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์–ด, ๊ทธ๋ž˜. ๋‚˜๋Š”โ€ฆ ํ”ผ๋“œ๋ฐฑ์„ ์ข‹์•„ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:02
A lot of them tell me how much it'sย  helping them, and that's, again,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋“ค ์ค‘ ๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์–ผ๋งˆ๋‚˜ ๋„์›€์ด ๋˜๋Š”์ง€ ์ €์—๊ฒŒ ๋งํ•ด์ค๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:05
that's why we're here at the end of the dayย  - to help them get to where they need to get.ย 
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ํ•˜๋ฃจ์˜ ๋์—์„œ ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ํ•„์š”ํ•œ ๊ณณ์— ๋„๋‹ฌํ•˜๋„๋ก ๋•๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ์—ฌ๊ธฐ์— ์žˆ๋Š” ์ด์œ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:09
And again, it's that โ€œah haโ€ momentย  where something clicks and they canย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‹ค์‹œ, "์•„ํ•˜" ๋ญ”๊ฐ€ ํด๋ฆญํ•˜๊ณ 
20:14
go to that next step and get even better andโ€ฆ When I hear students who like got into universityย ย 
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๋‹ค์Œ ๋‹จ๊ณ„๋กœ ์ด๋™ํ•˜์—ฌ ๋” ๋‚˜์•„์งˆ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ทธ ์ˆœ๊ฐ„์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ โ€ฆ ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜๋Š” ๋Œ€ํ•™์— ์ง„ํ•™
20:19
or graduated university and they say, โ€œThanks.ย  You helped me a lot,โ€ Iโ€ฆ but that's huge for me.ย 
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ํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ๋Œ€ํ•™์„ ์กธ์—…ํ•œ ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์ด ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋“ค์—ˆ์„ ๋•Œ "๊ณ ๋งˆ์›Œ์š”. ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์ €๋ฅผ ๋งŽ์ด ๋„์™”์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.โ€ ๋‚˜๋Š”โ€ฆ
20:25
Yeah, thatโ€ฆ It's really rewarding,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜, ๊ทธ๊ฑด... ์ •๋ง ๋ณด๋žŒ์ด ์žˆ๋Š” ์ผ
20:26
I guess, right. Yeah, very much.ย 
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์ด์•ผ, ๋งž์•„. ๊ทธ๋ž˜, ์•„์ฃผ ๋งŽ์ด.
20:27
I'll see you too, right? Oh, absolutely.ย 
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๋‚˜๋„ ๋ณด์ž ์‘? ์˜ค, ์ ˆ๋Œ€์ ์œผ๋กœ.
20:31
No doubt. No doubt about it.ย 
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์˜์‹ฌ์˜ ์—ฌ์ง€๊ฐ€ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜์‹ฌ์˜ ์—ฌ์ง€๊ฐ€ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:33
The point that you made about beingย  clear and concise andโ€ฆ and comparingย ย 
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๋ช…ํ™•ํ•˜๊ณ  ๊ฐ„๊ฒฐํ•˜๊ณ โ€ฆ ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ 
20:37
that to speaking is something thatย  I never really thought about before.ย 
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋งํ•˜๊ธฐ์™€ ๋น„๊ตํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์ง€์ ํ•œ ์š”์ ์€ ์ด์ „์—๋Š” ์ „ํ˜€ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์ง€ ๋ชปํ–ˆ๋˜ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:41
When we talk, youโ€ฆ as you mentioned, we haveย  our facial expressions, we have our hands.ย 
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋งํ•  ๋•Œ ๋‹น์‹ ์€โ€ฆ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ–ˆ๋“ฏ์ด ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ํ‘œ์ •์ด ์žˆ๊ณ  ์†์ด ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:46
As I'm using my hands now, there are allย  of these, um, hidden messages, if you will,ย ย 
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๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์ง€๊ธˆ ์†์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉ ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋‚ด ๋ชฉ์†Œ๋ฆฌ ํ†ค์ด๋‚˜ ๋‚ด ํ‘œ์ • ์ด๋‚˜ ๋‚ด ์†์ง“์œผ๋กœ ๋‚ด ๋ชธ
20:52
that that I'm conveying to you justโ€ฆ just fromย  using my voice tone or my facial expressionsย ย 
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์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ๋งŒ์œผ๋กœ๋„ ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๋‹น์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ ์ „ํ•˜๋Š” ์ด ๋ชจ๋“  ์Œ, ์ˆจ๊ฒจ์ง„ ๋ฉ”์‹œ์ง€๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
20:58
or my hand gestures my body language. So, you can easily understand perhapsย ย 
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์–ธ์–ด. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ, ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์•„๋งˆ ๋ฌด์—‡์„... ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๋งํ•˜๋ ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์˜ ์š”์ ์„
21:04
what theโ€ฆ the main point of what I'm tryingย  to say, but in writing you don't have any ofย ย 
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์‰ฝ๊ฒŒ ์ดํ•ดํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ์„œ๋ฉด์œผ๋กœ ๋‹น์‹ ์€
21:09
that extra help, and that's why you say it'sย  so important to be clear and concise, right?ย 
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๊ทธ ์–ด๋–ค ์ถ”๊ฐ€์ ์ธ ๋„์›€๋„ ๋ฐ›์ง€ ๋ชปํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๋ช…ํ™•ํ•˜๊ณ  ๊ฐ„๊ฒฐํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋งค์šฐ ์ค‘์š”ํ•˜๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค ์˜ค๋ฅธ์ชฝ?
21:14
Absolutely 'cause it's not evenโ€ฆย  it's not even your physical self.ย 
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์‹ฌ์ง€์–ดโ€ฆ ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์œก์ฒด์ ์ธ ์ž์•„๋„ ์•„๋‹ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:18
Like how you say a particular word. Where you put the stress in a sentenceย ย 
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ํŠน์ • ๋‹จ์–ด๋ฅผ ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ. ๋ฌธ์žฅ์— ๊ฐ•์„ธ๋ฅผ ๋‘๋Š” ์œ„์น˜์—์„œ ๋ฌธ์žฅ
21:22
changes the meaning of the sentence, andย  your listener generally will get that.ย 
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์˜ ์˜๋ฏธ๊ฐ€ ๋ฐ”๋€Œ๊ณ  ๋“ฃ๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์€ ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ ๊ทธ ์˜๋ฏธ๋ฅผ ์•Œ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:27
But you don't have these points. Like, yeah, there are tricks to writingย ย 
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์ด๋Ÿฌํ•œ ํฌ์ธํŠธ๊ฐ€ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด,
21:31
to convey anger or to convey humor, but it's aย  little bit more nuanced, whereas in speaking,ย ย 
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๋ถ„๋…ธ๋ฅผ ์ „๋‹ฌํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์œ ๋จธ๋ฅผ ์ „๋‹ฌํ•˜๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ๊ธ€์„ ์“ฐ๋Š” ๋ฐ ํŠธ๋ฆญ์ด ์žˆ์ง€๋งŒ ์•ฝ๊ฐ„ ๋” ๋‰˜์•™์Šค๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋ฐ˜๋ฉด ๋งํ•˜๊ธฐ์—์„œ๋Š”
21:37
it's very obvious. If you're angry,ย ย 
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๋งค์šฐ ๋ถ„๋ช…ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋‚ด๋ฉด ํ™”๋ฅผ ๋‚ด๋Š”
21:39
you're going to say something angrily. If you're happy, you'll say it happilyย ย 
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๋ง์„ ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ํ–‰๋ณตํ•˜๋‹ค๋ฉด, ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ํ–‰๋ณตํ•˜๊ฒŒ ๋งํ• 
21:42
sort of thing, soโ€ฆ It's very different.ย 
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๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ... ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋งค์šฐ ๋‹ค๋ฆ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
21:46
I am the king of misunderstanding text message,ย  text message tones and that's exactly, but that'sย ย 
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๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์˜คํ•ด์˜ ์™• ๋ฌธ์ž ๋ฉ”์‹œ์ง€, ๋ฌธ์ž ๋ฉ”์‹œ์ง€ ํ†ค, ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๋ฐ”๋กœ์ธ๋ฐ, ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ
21:52
exactly what you're talking about, right? But text is so short, that text messages,ย ย 
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๋ฐ”๋กœ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ๋งž์ฃ ? ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ํ…์ŠคํŠธ๋Š” ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ์งง์•„์„œ ๋ฌธ์ž ๋ฉ”์‹œ์ง€๊ฐ€
21:56
so short there's no room for tone. Right, really interesting.ย 
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๋„ˆ๋ฌด ์งง์•„์„œ ํ†ค์˜ ์—ฌ์ง€๊ฐ€ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋งž์•„์š”. ์ •๋ง ํฅ๋ฏธ๋กญ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
22:00
So, the TEDx talk - Did you..ย  Did you enjoy the experience?ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ, TEDx ํ† ํฌ - ๋‹น์‹ ์€ .. ๊ฒฝํ—˜์„ ์ฆ๊ฒผ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
22:04
I'veโ€ฆ I've done one of those as well. I did one here in Seoul.ย 
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์ €๋Š”โ€ฆ ์ €๋„ ๊ทธ ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋ฅผ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์„œ์šธ์—์„œ ํ•œ ๋ฒˆ ํ•ด๋ดค์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
22:08
And Iโ€ฆ I wasโ€ฆ I mean, I've worked in mediaย  for years and years and years, but I was,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š”โ€ฆ ์ €๋Š”โ€ฆ ์ œ ๋ง์€, ์ €๋Š” ์ˆ˜๋…„ ๋™์•ˆ ๋ฏธ๋””์–ด ๋ถ„์•ผ์—์„œ ์ผํ•ด์™”์ง€๋งŒ, ๊ทธ ์ „์—
22:13
I was very nervous inโ€ฆ in the lead up to that. How did you feel about it?ย 
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โ€ฆ ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋Š๊ผˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
22:16
Iโ€ฆ I was so scared. Like after I have finished,ย ย 
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๋‚˜... ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๋ฌด์„œ์› ์–ด. ๋งˆ์น˜ ๋๋‚œ ํ›„
22:19
like after I got off the stageโ€ฆ Uh, huh.ย 
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์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ, ๋ฌด๋Œ€์—์„œ ๋‚ด๋ฆฐ ํ›„์ฒ˜๋Ÿผโ€ฆ ์–ด, ํ—ˆ.
22:21
I said I wasโ€ฆ I said to my friend, I'm theย  most relaxed person in Spain right now.ย 
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์ €๋Š” ์ œ๊ฐ€... ์นœ๊ตฌ์—๊ฒŒ ๋งํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €๋Š” ์ง€๊ธˆ ์ŠคํŽ˜์ธ์—์„œ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ํŽธ์•ˆํ•œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
22:26
It was over. Right.ย 
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๊ทธ๊ฑด ๋๋‚ฌ๋‹ค. ์˜ค๋ฅธ์ชฝ.
22:28
But until then, like even a few days up thatย  moment, it really, really nervous and sweaty andย ย 
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ๋•Œ๊นŒ์ง€๋งŒ ํ•ด๋„ ๊ทธ ์ˆœ๊ฐ„๋งŒํผ์€ ์ •๋ง ๋„ˆ๋ฌด๋„ˆ๋ฌด
22:34
shaking and you could hear it in my voice. My mouth was so dry from being nervous,ย ย 
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๋–จ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋–จ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋–จ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‚ด ๋ชฉ์†Œ๋ฆฌ๋กœ ๋“ค๋ ธ๋‹ค. ๊ธด์žฅ์œผ๋กœ ์ž…์ด ๋ฐ”์ง๋ฐ”์ง ๋ง๋ž๊ณ ,
22:39
I didn't even know how the words came out. But I was prepared.ย 
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๊ทธ ๋ง์ด ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋‚˜์˜ค๋Š”์ง€๋„ ๋ชฐ๋ž๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ๋‚˜๋Š” ์ค€๋น„๋˜์–ด ์žˆ์—ˆ๋‹ค.
22:42
That's the key. Uhm, I almost saidย ย 
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๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ํ•ต์‹ฌ์ด์•ผ. ์Œ, ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ๋‚˜์—๊ฒŒ ํ•˜๋ผ๊ณ  ํ–ˆ์„ ๋•Œ ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ฑฐ์˜
22:46
no when they asked me to do it because it's notย  something that was outside of my comfort zone.ย 
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์•„๋‹ˆ์˜ค๋ผ๊ณ  ๋Œ€๋‹ตํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋‚ด ์•ˆ๋ฝ ์ง€๋Œ€๋ฅผ ๋ฒ—์–ด๋‚œ ๊ฒƒ์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
22:51
And I also didn't know thatย  you don't have cue cards.ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ํ ์นด๋“œ๊ฐ€ ์—†๋Š” ์ค„๋„ ๋ชฐ๋ž์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
22:54
You're not allowed to have cue cards. Exactly as member.ย 
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ํ ์นด๋“œ๋ฅผ ๊ฐ€์งˆ ์ˆ˜ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฐ”๋กœ ํšŒ์›์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
22:56
You don't have a podium. You don't have a microphone to hold onto.ย 
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์—ฐ๋‹จ์ด ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์žก์„ ๋งˆ์ดํฌ๊ฐ€ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
23:00
I thought, oh, at least if I canย  have that as a security blanket.ย 
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์ตœ์†Œํ•œ ๋ณด์•ˆ ๋‹ด์š”๋กœ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊ฐ€์งˆ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด ๋‚˜๋Š” ์ƒ๊ฐํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
23:04
But they said no, no, no, you've just got theย  mic on your cheek and the rest is up to you.ย 
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์•„๋‹ˆ์˜ค, ์•„๋‹ˆ์˜ค, ์•„๋‹ˆ์˜ค, ๋งˆ์ดํฌ๋ฅผ ๋บจ์— ๋Œ€๊ณ  ๋‚˜๋จธ์ง€๋Š” ๋‹น์‹ ์—๊ฒŒ ๋‹ฌ๋ ค ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋งํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
23:08
You gotta memorize it. If you have any slides, that's it, yeah.ย 
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ๊ธฐ์–ตํ•ด์•ผํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์Šฌ๋ผ์ด๋“œ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์œผ๋ฉด ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ์ „๋ถ€์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
23:10
Oh my goodness. But youโ€ฆ youโ€ฆ you enjoyed it overall?ย 
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๋ง™์†Œ์‚ฌ. ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋‹น์‹ ์€... ๋‹น์‹ ์€... ์ „๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ ์ฆ๊ฑฐ์› ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
23:13
You're happy that you did it? The experience, I'm happy I did it.ย 
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ํ•ด์„œ ๊ธฐ์ฉ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ๊ฒฝํ—˜, ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ํ•ด์„œ ๊ธฐ์ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
23:17
You're talking about comfort zone. Completely out of my comfort zone.ย 
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์ปดํฌํŠธ ์กด์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚ด ์•ˆ๋ฝ ์ง€๋Œ€์—์„œ ์™„์ „ํžˆ ๋ฒ—์–ด๋‚ฌ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
23:21
I'm like, I'm, uh, at the end ofย  the day, I'm a pretty shy person.ย 
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๋งˆ์น˜, ์–ด, ๊ฒฐ๊ตญ, ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ฝค ์ˆ˜์ค์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
23:24
I have no problem with a camera. I have a huge problem with a live audience.ย 
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๋‚˜๋Š” ์นด๋ฉ”๋ผ์— ๋ฌธ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ผ์ด๋ธŒ ์ฒญ์ค‘์—๊ฒŒ ํฐ ๋ฌธ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
23:28
It's totally different. So, but I'm glad I did it.ย 
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์™„์ „ํžˆ ๋‹ค๋ฆ…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ, ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ํ•ด์„œ ๊ธฐ์ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
23:31
Like Iโ€ฆ I tend toโ€ฆ the more something scaresย  me, the more I'm likely to actually do it.ย 
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๋‚˜๋Š”โ€ฆ
23:37
Oh really? That's why I'm aย ย 
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์˜ค, ์ง„์งœ? ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ์ง€ ์ œ๊ฐ€
23:39
little strange that way. Oh, that's good.ย 
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์ข€ ์ด์ƒํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ค, ์ข‹์€๋ฐ์š”.
23:41
I mean, it's better for your future. Well, speaking about writing in general,ย ย 
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๋‚ด ๋ง์€, ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ๋ฏธ๋ž˜์— ๋” ์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ธ€์Ž„์š”, ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ ๊ธ€์“ฐ๊ธฐ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋งํ•˜์ž๋ฉด,
23:45
has it changed or has it changedย  Iโ€ฆ I mean the way that we, right?ย 
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๋ฐ”๋€Œ์—ˆ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ๋ฐ”๋€Œ์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ์ €๋Š”โ€ฆ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๋ฐฉ์‹์ด ๋งž์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ์ง€๋‚œ
23:50
Has that, has that developed or orโ€ฆ orโ€ฆ orโ€ฆ orย  gone in a different direction over maybe the lastย ย 
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10๋…„ ๋˜๋Š” 15๋…„ ๋™์•ˆ ํ•™๋ฌธ์ ์œผ๋กœ๋‚˜ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋ฐฉ์‹ ์œผ๋กœ ๋ฐœ์ „ํ–ˆ๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ๋˜๋Š”โ€ฆ ๋˜๋Š”โ€ฆ ๋˜๋Š”โ€ฆ ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋ฐฉํ–ฅ์œผ๋กœ ์ง„ํ–‰
23:57
10 or 15 years, academically or otherwise? Or does it always kind of stay similar?ย 
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๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ฉด ํ•ญ์ƒ ๋น„์Šทํ•œ ์ƒํƒœ๋ฅผ ์œ ์ง€ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
24:03
I think writing at its base staysย  similar, but there are changes.ย 
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๊ธฐ๋ณธ์ ์ธ ๊ธ€์“ฐ๊ธฐ๋Š” ๋น„์Šทํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๋ณ€ํ™”๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
24:07
Like if you read newspapers today and you readย  them before, everything is much tighter now.ย 
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์˜ค๋Š˜๋‚  ์‹ ๋ฌธ์„ ์ฝ๊ณ  ์ „์— ์ฝ์—ˆ๋˜ ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ง€๊ธˆ ํ›จ์”ฌ ๋” ๋นก๋นกํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
24:14
I think also social media likeย  captions and tweeting and all that.ย 
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์บก์…˜๊ณผ ํŠธ์œ—๊ณผ ๊ฐ™์€ ์†Œ์…œ ๋ฏธ๋””์–ด๋„ ๋งˆ์ฐฌ๊ฐ€์ง€๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
24:17
People got used to reading short. And young people today, their attentionย ย 
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์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ์งง์€ ๊ธ€์„ ์ฝ๋Š” ๋ฐ ์ต์ˆ™ํ•ด์กŒ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์˜ค๋Š˜๋‚  ์ Š์€์ด๋“ค์˜ ์ฃผ์˜ ์ง‘์ค‘
24:22
span is much shorter than it used to be. So people have to be more direct, more conciseย ย 
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์‹œ๊ฐ„์€ ์˜ˆ์ „๋ณด๋‹ค ํ›จ์”ฌ ์งง์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ๋ฌด์—‡์„
24:28
with their whatever they're writing. And I think even novelsย ย 
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์“ฐ๋“  ๋” ์ง์ ‘์ ์ด๊ณ  ๊ฐ„๊ฒฐ ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‚˜๋Š”
24:32
have taken that on a little bit becauseย  you don't see as much flowery language.ย 
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๊ฝƒ๋ง์„ ๋งŽ์ด ๋ณด์ง€ ์•Š๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์†Œ์„ค์กฐ์ฐจ๋„ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์กฐ๊ธˆ ์ทจํ–ˆ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
24:37
You don't see as much, you know, expansion likeย  if you read Gabriel Garcia, Marquez, whatever.ย 
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Gabriel Garcia, Marquez ๋“ฑ์„ ์ฝ๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ํ™•์žฅ์„ ๋งŽ์ด ๋ณผ ์ˆ˜ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์€ ๊ณ„์†ํ•ด์„œ ํ˜•์šฉ์‚ฌ๋ฅผ ์ผ์ง€๋งŒ
24:45
That guy goes on and on and on with adjectivesย  but I'm not sure how popular he would be withย ย 
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์ง€๊ธˆ์€ ์ Š์€ ์„ธ๋Œ€์—๊ฒŒ ์–ผ๋งˆ๋‚˜ ์ธ๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์„์ง€ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
24:49
a younger generation now. Do you know what I mean?ย 
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. ๋‚ด๋ง ์ดํ•ด ํ–ˆ๋‹ˆ?
24:52
The story is amazing. The writing is amazing.ย 
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์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋Š” ๋†€๋ž์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ธ€์ด ๋†€๋ž์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
24:54
But I don't know if they have theย  attention span for that these days, soโ€ฆย 
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์š”์ฆ˜ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ์ง‘์ค‘ํ•˜๋Š” ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€๋Š” ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์ง€๋งŒ, ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ...
24:58
Yeah, I mean, you make a good point. Because even when you watch YouTube videos,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜, ๋‚ด ๋ง์€, ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์ข‹์€ ์ง€์ ์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ˆ๋ฅผ ๋“ค์–ด YouTube ๋™์˜์ƒ์„ ๋ณผ ๋•Œ๋„ ๋งˆ์ฐฌ๊ฐ€์ง€
25:02
for example. Yeah.ย 
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์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‘.
25:04
Some, some, some of them have to be extremelyย  short because people just don't have theย ย 
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์ผ๋ถ€, ์ผ๋ถ€, ์ผ๋ถ€๋Š” ๋งค์šฐ ์งง์•„์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€
25:10
attention span, nor the wants, nor the desire. I guess what it is these days in our culture,ย ย 
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์ฃผ์˜ ์ง‘์ค‘ ์‹œ๊ฐ„๋„, ์š•๊ตฌ๋„, ์š•๋ง๋„ ์—†๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์˜ค๋Š˜๋‚  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๋ฌธํ™”,
25:16
our society is that it's gotta be immediate. We want things immediately.ย 
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์‚ฌํšŒ์—์„œ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ฆ‰๊ฐ์ ์ด์–ด์•ผ ํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์ฆ‰์‹œ ๋ฌผ๊ฑด์„ ์›ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
25:21
One of my favorite comedians,ย  Ronny Chang, talks about,ย ย 
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๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜๋Š” ์ฝ”๋ฏธ๋””์–ธ ์ค‘ ํ•œ ๋ช…์ธ Ronny Chang
25:24
you know, in American culture, just like we want it now.ย 
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์€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์ง€๊ธˆ ์›ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ ๋ฌธํ™”์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
25:27
Like Amazonโ€ฆ Amazon now, like, deliver it to meย  before I want it, so you can see inside my brain.ย 
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์•„๋งˆ์กด์ฒ˜๋Ÿผโ€ฆ ์•„๋งˆ์กด์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ, ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์›ํ•˜๊ธฐ ์ „์— ๋‚˜์—๊ฒŒ ๋ฐฐ๋‹ฌํ•ด ๋‚ด ๋‡Œ ์†์„ ๋ณผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋„๋ก ํ•˜์„ธ์š”.
25:34
Use AI to guess what I want. Yeah, yeah, exactly.ย 
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AI๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜์—ฌ ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ์›ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ถ”์ธกํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋„ค, ๋งž์•„์š”.
25:37
That's interesting. So that's had anย ย 
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๊ทธ ํฅ๋ฏธ ๋กญ๊ตฐ์š”. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€
25:38
effect onโ€ฆ on writing on writing as well. I think so a little bit, but again, at the endย ย 
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... ๊ธ€์“ฐ๊ธฐ์—๋„ ์˜ํ–ฅ์„ ๋ฏธ์ณค์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚˜๋Š” ์กฐ๊ธˆ ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ์ƒ๊ฐํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ, ๋‹ค์‹œ ๋งํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ, ๊ฒฐ๊ตญ
25:42
of the day you still have to be clear, so. This isโ€ฆ but I think if you wereย ย 
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ โ€‹โ€‹โ€‹โ€‹๋ช…ํ™•ํ•ด์•ผํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ด๊ฒƒ์€โ€ฆ ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ
25:47
coming back to earlier question you asked meย  like, am I surprised by my channel doing well?ย 
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์— ์ œ ์ฑ„๋„์ด ์ž˜ ๋˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์— ๋†€๋ž์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
25:52
I am a little bit because my videos are notย  that short and it is writing and again, butย ย 
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์ œ ์˜์ƒ์ด ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ์งง์ง€ ์•Š๊ณ  ๊ณ„์† ์“ฐ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”๋ฐ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ํ•˜๊ธฐ ์‹ซ๊ณ  ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์กฐ๊ธˆ ๊ทธ๋ ‡์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
25:59
people don't want to do it, they need to do it. I think that's the big thing.ย 
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. ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ํฐ ์ผ์ด๋ผ๊ณ  ์ƒ๊ฐํ•œ๋‹ค.
26:04
How would you tell your students, because it'sย  when we talk about being clear and conciseย ย 
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ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋ง
26:12
in our language and in our writing, thereย  is a line though where you still want to beย ย 
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ํ•˜๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๊ฐ€ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ์–ธ์–ด์™€ ๊ธ€์—์„œ ๋ช…ํ™•ํ•˜๊ณ  ๊ฐ„๊ฒฐํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•  ๋•Œ ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ
26:18
perhaps descriptive or you still wantย  to be eloquent, eloquent in your in yourย ย 
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์„ค๋ช…์„ ์›ํ•˜๊ฑฐ๋‚˜ ์—ฌ์ „ํžˆ ์›…๋ณ€์ ์ด๊ณ  ์›…๋ณ€ํ•˜๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์›ํ•˜๋Š” ๋ผ์ธ์ด ์žˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:23
in your writing, so whereโ€ฆ where do students, how areโ€ฆ how are the students supposed to knowย ย 
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๋‹น์‹  ์˜ ๊ธ€์—์„œ ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์–ด๋””์—... ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์€ ์–ด๋””๋กœ, ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ... ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์€
26:30
where that line is of ofย  kind of going too far in theย ย 
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๊ทธ ์„ ์ด ์–ด๋””์—์„œ ๋ฐ˜๋Œ€ ๋ฐฉํ–ฅ์œผ๋กœ ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๋ฉ€๋ฆฌ ๊ฐ€๊ณ 
26:33
opposite direction and overcompensatingย  and not being descriptive enough.ย 
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๊ณผ๋„ํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์„ค๋ช…๋˜์–ด ์žˆ์ง€ ์•Š๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ์•Œ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
26:37
Yeah, I think first of all, it starts with who'sย  your target audience and what's the context?ย 
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๋„ค, ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š” ์šฐ์„  ํƒ€๊ฒŸ ๊ณ ๊ฐ์ด ๋ˆ„๊ตฌ์ด๊ณ  ๋งฅ๋ฝ์ด ๋ฌด์—‡์ธ์ง€๋ถ€ํ„ฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•ด์•ผ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:42
Ok. If youโ€™re inย ย 
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business and you're writing an e-mail, theย  shorter, the absolute shortest, the better.ย 
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ํ™•์ธ. ๋‹น์‹ ์ด
์‚ฌ์—…์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๊ณ  ์ด๋ฉ”์ผ์„ ์“ฐ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด, ์งง์„์ˆ˜๋ก, ์ ˆ๋Œ€์ ์œผ๋กœ ์งง์„์ˆ˜๋ก ์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:48
'cause people don't have time that like, ifย  you're lucky, if they even open your e-mail.ย 
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์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ์šด์ด ์ข‹๋‹ค๋ฉด ์ด๋ฉ”์ผ์„ ์—ด์–ด๋„ ๊ทธ๋Ÿฐ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์ด ์—†๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
26:53
If you're writing an essayโ€ฆ again if you have toย  fill up 4 pages and but you can actually answerย ย 
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์—์„ธ์ด๋ฅผ ์“ฐ๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉดโ€ฆ ๋‹ค์‹œ 4ํŽ˜์ด์ง€๋ฅผ ์ฑ„์›Œ์•ผ ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ
27:00
the question in two, then yeah, obviouslyย  you cannot expand and give a bit more, butโ€ฆ.ย 
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์งˆ๋ฌธ์— 2ํŽ˜์ด์ง€๋กœ ๋‹ตํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด ๊ทธ๋ž˜, ๋ถ„๋ช…ํžˆ ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ํ™•์žฅํ•˜๊ณ  ์กฐ๊ธˆ ๋” ์ค„ ์ˆ˜๋Š” ์—†์ง€๋งŒโ€ฆ.
27:04
If you're getting into creative writing,ย ย 
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์ฐฝ์ž‘๋ฌผ์— ์ž…๋ฌธํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด
27:06
then there's no limits. Do whatever you feelย ย 
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ํ•œ๊ณ„๊ฐ€ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋…์ž๊ฐ€ ํฅ๋ฏธ ๋ฅผ ๋Š๋‚„
27:09
will make the reader interested, right? So it's all about context, I think.ย 
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์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋„๋ก ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ์ข‹๊ฒ ์ฃ ? ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ œ ์ƒ๊ฐ์—๋Š” ๋ชจ๋“  ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋งฅ๋ฝ์— ๊ด€ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
27:13
Yeah, and Iโ€ฆ I think knowing your audienceย  is aโ€ฆ is an excellent point as well.ย 
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์˜ˆ, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š”โ€ฆ ์ฒญ์ค‘์ดโ€ฆ
27:18
Because, you know, if you're talking to a groupย  of people who perhaps are not familiar withย ย 
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์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด, ๋งŒ์•ฝ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด
27:26
certain technical vocabulary, then it's betterย  to not use that technical vocabulary if you can,ย ย 
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ํŠน์ • ์ „๋ฌธ ์šฉ์–ด์— ์ต์ˆ™ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค๊ณผ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋‹ค๋ฉด, ๊ฐ€๋Šฅํ•˜๋‹ค๋ฉด ๊ทธ ์ „๋ฌธ ์šฉ์–ด๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ด ๋” ๋‚ซ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
27:31
because you're going to be, the expressionย  is to talk over someone's head, right?ย 
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์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ํ‘œํ˜„์€ ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€์˜ ๋จธ๋ฆฌ ์œ„๋กœ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ, ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€?
27:36
And in writing people doโ€ฆ people don'tย  like that in speaking and they definitely,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ธ€์„ ์“ธ ๋•Œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ... ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ข‹์•„ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š๊ณ  ํ™•์‹คํžˆ,
27:40
definitely do not enjoy it in writing becauseย  your audience is immediately lost, right?ย 
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ํ™•์‹คํžˆ ๊ธ€์„ ์ฆ๊ธฐ์ง€ ์•Š์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์™œ๋ƒํ•˜๋ฉด ์ฒญ์ค‘์€ ์ฆ‰์‹œ ์†์‹ค๋˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ ?
27:45
Exactly, like I always say, one of theย  first things I say, โ€œAvoid jargon.โ€ย 
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์ •ํ™•ํžˆ, ์ œ๊ฐ€ ํ•ญ์ƒ ๋งํ•˜๋“ฏ์ด ์ œ๊ฐ€ ๊ฐ€์žฅ ๋จผ์ € ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ์ค‘ ํ•˜๋‚˜๋Š” "์ „๋ฌธ ์šฉ์–ด๋ฅผ ํ”ผํ•˜์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค."์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
27:50
If you're in a specific field andโ€ฆ yourย  make sure you know who you're writing to.ย 
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๋‹น์‹ ์ด ํŠน์ • ๋ถ„์•ผ์— ์žˆ๊ณ โ€ฆ
27:53
So sometimes I help people applyย  for, let's say, medical residencies.ย 
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ฐ€๋” ์ €๋Š” ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์˜๋ฃŒ ๋ ˆ์ง€๋˜ํŠธ๋ฅผ ์‹ ์ฒญํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋•์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
27:58
They want to go do a medicalย  residency in the States.ย 
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋ฏธ๊ตญ์—์„œ ์˜๋ฃŒ ๋ ˆ์ง€๋˜ํŠธ๋ฅผ ํ•˜๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ์›ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
28:00
And they need help with their personalย  statement, statements of purpose, etc.ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์ž๊ธฐ์†Œ๊ฐœ์„œ ๋“ฑ์˜ ๋„์›€์ด ํ•„์š”ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
28:04
And some of them get very detailed into theย  things that they actually do, like the medicalย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋“ค ์ค‘ ์ผ๋ถ€๋Š” ์˜๋ฃŒ ์ ˆ์ฐจ ์™€ ๊ฐ™์ด ์‹ค์ œ๋กœ ํ•˜๋Š” ์ผ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ๋งค์šฐ ์ž์„ธํ•˜๊ฒŒ ์„ค๋ช…
28:09
procedures. Right.ย 
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ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ค๋ฅธ์ชฝ.
28:11
And I tell them just understand thatย  yes, medical people will be reading it,ย ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๋“ค์—๊ฒŒ ์˜ˆ, ์˜๋ฃŒ์ธ๋“ค์ด ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ฝ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ด๋ผ๋Š” ์ ์„ ์ดํ•ดํ•œ๋‹ค๊ณ 
28:15
but also some non-medical people. Don't lose them, right?ย 
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๋งํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ผ๋ถ€ ๋น„์˜๋ฃŒ์ธ๋“ค๋„ ์ฝ์„ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์žƒ์–ด๋ฒ„๋ฆฌ์ง€ ๋งˆ, ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ง€?
28:20
Be very general 'cause the medical peopleย  will understand you, but you'll also keep theย ย 
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์˜๋ฃŒ์ธ์ด ๋‹น์‹ ์„ ์ดํ•ดํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ด๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ๋งค์šฐ ์ผ๋ฐ˜์ ์œผ๋กœ ๋งํ•˜์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค. ๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜
28:25
non-medical people interested, right? It's the same idea.ย 
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๋น„์˜๋ฃŒ์ธ๋„ ๊ณ„์† ๊ด€์‹ฌ์„ ๊ฐ€์งˆ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ ? ๊ฐ™์€ ์ƒ๊ฐ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
28:28
Yep, that's a great point. Andโ€ฆ and you said it extremely well,ย ย 
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๋„ค, ์ข‹์€ ์ง€์ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ ... ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ๋งค์šฐ ์ž˜ ๋งํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
28:31
you're going to lose them. And then it you start to use words thatย ย 
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์„ ์žƒ๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ๋ชจ๋ฅด๋Š”
28:35
they don't know, your audience is gone, right? Yeah, and they're and they're scanning too.ย 
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๋‹จ์–ด๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜๊ธฐ ์‹œ์ž‘ํ•˜๋ฉด ์ฒญ์ค‘์ด ์‚ฌ๋ผ์ง‘๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋„ค, ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ์Šค์บ”ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
28:39
If they scan it, I can't get this. That's it.ย 
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๊ทธ๋“ค์ด ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์Šค์บ”ํ•˜๋ฉด, ๋‚˜๋Š” ์ด๊ฒƒ์„ ์–ป์„ ์ˆ˜ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ฒŒ ๋‹ค์•ผ
28:41
They have no problem putting youย  in the rejection file right away.ย 
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๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๋‹น์‹ ์„ ์ฆ‰์‹œ ๊ฑฐ๋ถ€ ํŒŒ์ผ์— ๋„ฃ๋Š” ๋ฐ ์•„๋ฌด๋Ÿฐ ๋ฌธ์ œ๊ฐ€ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
28:45
It reminds me ofโ€ฆ I've interviewed a lot ofย  musicians over the years, and I always findย ย 
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์ƒ๊ฐ๋‚˜๋„ค์š”... ์ €๋Š” ์ง€๋‚œ ๋ช‡ ๋…„ ๋™์•ˆ ๋งŽ์€ ์Œ์•…๊ฐ€๋“ค์„ ์ธํ„ฐ๋ทฐํ–ˆ๊ณ ,
28:49
that with jazz musicians they use a lot of youย  know, when they talk about like inspirationsย ย 
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์žฌ์ฆˆ ์Œ์•…๊ฐ€๋“ค๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์ž์‹ ์˜ ๊ฒฝ๋ ฅ์— โ€‹โ€‹๋Œ€ํ•œ ์˜๊ฐ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•  ๋•Œ
28:54
for their career, there's always a list of namesย  that I have no idea what they're talking about.ย 
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ํ•ญ์ƒ ๋งŽ์€ ์ด๋ฆ„์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•œ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์„ ์•Œ๊ฒŒ ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋ฌด์Šจ ๋ง์„ ํ•˜๋Š”์ง€ ๋ชจ๋ฅด๊ฒ ์–ด.
29:00
But those names always come out, right? Yeah, the references. Yeah.ย 
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ๊ทธ ์ด๋ฆ„์€ ํ•ญ์ƒ ๋‚˜์˜ค์ฃ ? ๋„ค, ์ฐธ๊ณ  ์ž๋ฃŒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์‘.
29:04
Yeah, exactly. Even ifโ€ฆ like for students who are watchingย ย 
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์˜ˆ ๋ฐ”๋กœ ๊ทธ ๊ฑฐ์˜ˆ์š”. ๋น„๋กโ€ฆ
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like sitcoms to learn English, I know that a lotย  of the jokes or a lot of the big points made,ย ย 
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์‹œํŠธ์ฝค์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ ๋ณด๋Š” ํ•™์ƒ๋“ค์ด ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ธฐ ์œ„ํ•ด ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ, ๋งŽ์€ ๋†๋‹ด์ด๋‚˜ ํฐ ์š”์ ์€
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have to do with references, and it's so if youย  don't understand what's going on, don't worry,ย ย 
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์ฐธ์กฐ์™€ ๊ด€๋ จ์ด ์žˆ๊ณ  ๋ฌด์Šจ ์ผ์ด ์ผ์–ด๋‚˜๊ณ  ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€ ์ดํ•ดํ•˜์ง€ ๋ชปํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ทธ๋ ‡์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. , ๊ฑฑ์ •ํ•˜์ง€ ๋งˆ์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค
29:19
because it's not about English. Yeah, right.ย 
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. ์˜์–ด์— ๊ด€ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ด ์•„๋‹ˆ๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ž˜ ๋งž์•„.
29:21
It's about the cultural references. If you don't know them, you don't know them, soโ€ฆย 
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ๋ฌธํ™”์  ์ฐธ์กฐ์— ๊ด€ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ๊ทธ๋“ค์„ ๋ชจ๋ฅธ๋‹ค๋ฉด ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๊ทธ๋“ค์„ ๋ชจ๋ฅธ๋‹ค, ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ...
29:25
Yeah, that's true. That's an excellent point.ย 
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๋„ค, ์‚ฌ์‹ค์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ข‹์€ ์ง€์ ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
29:27
Well, very good. Well, we'llโ€ฆ we'll wrap it upย ย 
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๊ธ€์Ž„, ์•„์ฃผ ์ข‹์•„. ๊ธ€์Ž„, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š”โ€ฆ
29:29
here shortly, but once again, congratulations on. I mean, a lot of different things, really, right?ย 
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์—ฌ๊ธฐ์„œ ๊ณง ๋๋‚ด๊ฒ ์ง€๋งŒ, ๋‹ค์‹œ ํ•œ ๋ฒˆ ์ถ•ํ•˜๋“œ๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ •๋ง ๋‹ค์–‘ํ•œ ๊ฒƒ๋“ค์ด์ฃ ?
29:35
You're, you're, you're EngVidย  videos are extremely popular.ย 
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You're, you're, you're EngVid ๋น„๋””์˜ค๋Š” ๋งค์šฐ ์ธ๊ธฐ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
29:38
You're continuing to work there, soย  you can go and find Adam at engvid.comย 
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๊ณ„์† ๊ทธ๊ณณ์—์„œ ์ผํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์œผ๋ฏ€๋กœ engvid.com์—์„œ Adam์„ ์ฐพ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
29:43
Are thoseโ€ฆ those videos are not just at theย  website, but they're also on YouTube as well.ย 
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. ๊ทธ ๋น„๋””์˜ค๋Š” ์›น์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ๋ฟ๋งŒ ์•„๋‹ˆ๋ผ YouTube์—๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
29:46
Is that correct? They're on, yeah, if you go โ€˜EngVidย ย 
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๊ทธ ๋งž์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ์˜ˆ, 'EngVid
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Adam,โ€™ you'll find my videos. Very good.ย 
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Adam'์œผ๋กœ ์ด๋™ํ•˜๋ฉด ๋‚ด ๋น„๋””์˜ค๋ฅผ ์ฐพ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋งค์šฐ ์ข‹์€.
29:51
You can also find Adams homepage orย  his home channel Write to the Topย ย 
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Adams ํ™ˆํŽ˜์ด์ง€๋‚˜ ๊ทธ์˜ ํ™ˆ ์ฑ„๋„์ธ Write to Top์„ ์ฐพ์„ ์ˆ˜๋„ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
29:56
and that's W-R-I-T-E To the Top. A really popular channel there.ย 
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. ์ด๊ฒƒ์ด WRITE To Top์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๊ณณ์—์„œ ์ •๋ง ์œ ๋ช…ํ•œ ์ฑ„๋„.
30:01
You can watch Adamโ€™s TEDx talk on hisย  channel, as I did before saying hello today.ย 
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์˜ค๋Š˜ ์ธ์‚ฌํ•˜๊ธฐ ์ „์— ๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ํ–ˆ๋˜ ๊ฒƒ์ฒ˜๋Ÿผ Adam์˜ TEDx ๊ฐ•์—ฐ์„ ๊ทธ์˜ ์ฑ„๋„์—์„œ ๋ณผ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
30:09
Your books are available onโ€ฆ tell usโ€ฆย  tell us where we can find your books?ย 
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๊ท€ํ•˜์˜ ์ฑ…์€โ€ฆ
30:12
On Amazon and is there another location? Uh, writetotop.com no โ€˜theโ€™ in theย ย 
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์•„๋งˆ์กด์— ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์œ„์น˜๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ? ์–ด, writetotop.com
30:18
website address, yeah? OK, writetotop.comย ย 
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์›น์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ ์ฃผ์†Œ์— '''๊ฐ€ ์—†์ž–์•„์š”? ์ข‹์•„, writetotop.com
30:21
no โ€˜theโ€™ as you mentioned, right? You can find Adamโ€™s books there as well.ย 
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์€ ๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์–ธ๊ธ‰ํ•œ ๋Œ€๋กœ '์•„๋‹ˆ์˜ค'๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ ? ์•„๋‹ด์˜ ์ฑ…๋„ ๊ทธ๊ณณ์—์„œ ์ฐพ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
30:26
Well, very good, sir. You are an extremely busy man with all of theย ย 
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์•„์ฃผ ์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‹น์‹  ์€ ๋Š์ž„์—†์ด ๋งŒ๋“ค๊ณ 
30:30
content that you are constantly creating. So once again, congratulations.ย 
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์žˆ๋Š” ๋ชจ๋“  ์ฝ˜ํ…์ธ ๋กœ ๋งค์šฐ ๋ฐ”์œ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค . ๋‹ค์‹œ ํ•œ ๋ฒˆ ์ถ•ํ•˜๋“œ๋ฆฝ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
30:35
Right. Yeah. It was a real pleasure toโ€ฆ to chat with you andโ€ฆย 
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์˜ค๋ฅธ์ชฝ. ์‘. ๋‹น์‹ ๊ณผ... ๋‹น์‹ ๊ณผ ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ๋‚˜๋ˆŒ ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์–ด์„œ ์ •๋ง ๊ธฐ๋ปค์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
30:38
You as well. Best or luck.ย 
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. ์ตœ๊ณ  ๋˜๋Š” ํ–‰์šด.
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And if you ever make it up to Seoul, then give usย  a call and we'll get a cup of coffee or something.ย 
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์„œ์šธ์— ๋„์ฐฉํ•˜์‹œ๋ฉด ์ €ํฌ์—๊ฒŒ ์ „ํ™”๋ฅผ ์ฃผ์‹œ๋ฉด ์ปคํ”ผ ํ•œ ์ž” ๋“œ๋ฆฌ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
30:43
Absolutely. Thank you. Adam Benn, thank you.ย 
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์ „์ ์œผ๋กœ. ๊ณ ๋ง™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์•„๋‹ด ๋ฒค, ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
30:47
Thank you for joining us onceย  again on Speak English Fluently.ย 
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Speak English Fluently์— ๋‹ค์‹œ ํ•œ ๋ฒˆ ์ฐธ์—ฌํ•ด์ฃผ์…”์„œ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
30:51
I've been your host, Steve Hatherly, and if you'reย  interested in my own channel then you can find me.ย 
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์ €๋Š” ๊ท€ํ•˜์˜ ํ˜ธ์ŠคํŠธ์ธ Steve Hatherly์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ œ ์ฑ„๋„์— ๊ด€์‹ฌ์ด ์žˆ์œผ์‹œ๋ฉด ์ €๋ฅผ ์ฐพ์œผ์‹œ๋ฉด ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
30:57
Search story time Steve Hatherlyย  and you can find me there.ย 
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Search story time Steve Hatherly and you can find me there.
31:00
Hope you come back for the next video. And Adam, thank you, sir.ย 
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Hope you come back for the next video. And Adam, thank you, sir.
31:03
Have a good one. Thank you.ย ย 
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Have a good one. ๊ณ ๋ง™์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
31:29
You too.
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You too.
์ด ์›น์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ ์ •๋ณด

์ด ์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ๋Š” ์˜์–ด ํ•™์Šต์— ์œ ์šฉํ•œ YouTube ๋™์˜์ƒ์„ ์†Œ๊ฐœํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ „ ์„ธ๊ณ„ ์ตœ๊ณ ์˜ ์„ ์ƒ๋‹˜๋“ค์ด ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜๋Š” ์˜์–ด ์ˆ˜์—…์„ ๋ณด๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฐ ๋™์˜์ƒ ํŽ˜์ด์ง€์— ํ‘œ์‹œ๋˜๋Š” ์˜์–ด ์ž๋ง‰์„ ๋”๋ธ” ํด๋ฆญํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ทธ๊ณณ์—์„œ ๋™์˜์ƒ์ด ์žฌ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋น„๋””์˜ค ์žฌ์ƒ์— ๋งž์ถฐ ์ž๋ง‰์ด ์Šคํฌ๋กค๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜๊ฒฌ์ด๋‚˜ ์š”์ฒญ์ด ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ ์ด ๋ฌธ์˜ ์–‘์‹์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜์—ฌ ๋ฌธ์˜ํ•˜์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค.

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