A Conversation With My Hero, Stephen | How my deaf friend learned English

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์•„๋ž˜ ์˜๋ฌธ์ž๋ง‰์„ ๋”๋ธ”ํด๋ฆญํ•˜์‹œ๋ฉด ์˜์ƒ์ด ์žฌ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.

00:10
Hello, everyone.
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์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„, ์•ˆ๋…•ํ•˜์„ธ์š”.
00:11
My name is Robin Shaw.
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๋‚ด ์ด๋ฆ„์€ ๋กœ๋นˆ ์‡ผ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:13
And I am here today with a very special guest.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์ €๋Š” ์˜ค๋Š˜ ์•„์ฃผ ํŠน๋ณ„ํ•œ ์†๋‹˜๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์ด ์ž๋ฆฌ์— ์„ฐ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
๋‚˜์˜ ์‚ฌ๋ž‘ํ•˜๋Š” ์นœ๊ตฌ, ์Šคํ‹ฐ๋ธ.
00:17
My dear friend, Stephen.
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00:18
Heโ€™s also my personal hero.
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๊ทธ๋Š” ๋˜ํ•œ ๋‚˜์˜ ๊ฐœ์ธ์ ์ธ ์˜์›…์ด๊ธฐ๋„ ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:21
Hello, Stephen.
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์•ˆ๋…•, ์Šคํ‹ฐ๋ธ.
00:23
Hey, Robin.
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์•ˆ๋…•, ๋กœ๋นˆ.
00:24
Can you tell us a little bit about yourself?
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๋‹น์‹ ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์กฐ๊ธˆ ๋ง์”€ํ•ด ์ฃผ์‹œ๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๊นŒ?
00:28
I am 33.
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์ €๋Š” 33์„ธ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:31
I am deaf.
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์ €๋Š” ๊ท€๋จธ๊ฑฐ๋ฆฌ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋‚˜๋Š”
00:33
I can communicate with you right now through lip-reading and listening through my hearing aids.
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์ž…์ˆ ์ฝ๊ธฐ์™€ ๋ณด์ฒญ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ํ†ตํ•œ ๋“ฃ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ํ†ตํ•ด
์ง€๊ธˆ ๋ฐ”๋กœ ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„๊ณผ ์†Œํ†ตํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค .
00:41
Alright so, yes, he is deaf.
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๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ตฐ์š”. ๊ทธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์€ ๊ท€๋จธ๊ฑฐ๋ฆฌ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:43
And he can understand me because he can hear a little bit through his hearing aids and
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋Š” ๋ณด์ฒญ๊ธฐ๋ฅผ ํ†ตํ•ด ์กฐ๊ธˆ ๋“ค์„ ์ˆ˜
์žˆ๊ณ  ๋‚ด ์ž…์ˆ ์„ ์ฝ์–ด์•ผ ํ•˜๊ธฐ ๋•Œ๋ฌธ์—
๋‚ด ๋ง์„ ์ดํ•ดํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
00:50
he has to read my lips.
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00:52
Yes.
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. ์˜ˆ.
00:53
Where did we meet?
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์–ด๋””์„œ ๋งŒ๋‚ฌ๋‚˜์š”?
00:55
We met in North Korea 5 years ago.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” 5๋…„ ์ „ ๋ถํ•œ์—์„œ ๋งŒ๋‚ฌ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
00:59
Thatโ€™s right.
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์ข‹์•„์š”.
01:00
I was traveling in North Korea for a few weeks, and we had to stay in the same room for about
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์ €๋Š” ๋ช‡ ์ฃผ ๋™์•ˆ ๋ถํ•œ์„ ์—ฌํ–‰ ์ค‘์ด์—ˆ๊ณ ,
์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ํ•œ๋‘ ์ฃผ ์ •๋„ ๊ฐ™์€ ๋ฐฉ์— ๋จธ๋ฌผ๋Ÿฌ์•ผ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:07
a week or two.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์„œ๋กœ ๋งŒ๋‚ฌ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:10
And we met each other.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ํ˜ผ์ž ๋ถํ•œ ์—ฌํ–‰์„ ํ•˜๊ณ  ์žˆ์–ด์„œ
01:11
And I was very surprised because he was traveling alone in North Korea.
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๋งŽ์ด ๋†€๋ž์–ด์š” .
01:16
And, well, you know, just to be in North Korea, Yes,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ , ์•„์‹œ๋‹ค์‹œํ”ผ, ๋ถํ•œ์— ์žˆ๋‹ค๋Š” ๊ฒƒ ์ž์ฒด๊ฐ€
01:19
โ€ฆ is such an adventure.
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์ •๋ง ๋ชจํ—˜์ด์—์š”.
๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ๊ทธ๋Š” ๊ฑฐ๊ธฐ ํ˜ผ์ž์˜€์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:22
But he was there alone.
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01:23
He didnโ€™t need anybodyโ€™s help.
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๊ทธ์—๊ฒŒ๋Š” ๋ˆ„๊ตฌ์˜ ๋„์›€๋„ ํ•„์š”ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:25
Yeah.
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์‘. ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ทธ๋Š” ๊ฝค ๋…๋ฆฝ์ ์ธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด๋‹ค.
01:26
And heโ€™s quite an independent person.
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01:29
There are a lot of misconceptions about deaf people.
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์ฒญ๊ฐ ์žฅ์• ์ธ์— ๋Œ€ํ•œ ๋งŽ์€ ์˜คํ•ด๊ฐ€ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:34
A lot of people believe that deaf people cannot do much.
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๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์€ ์ฒญ๊ฐ ์žฅ์• ์ธ์ด ๋งŽ์€ ์ผ์„ ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์—†๋‹ค๊ณ  ๋ฏฟ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:40
But Iโ€™m a good example of why that is so wrong.
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ํ•˜์ง€๋งŒ ์ €๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์ด ์™œ ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ์ž˜๋ชป๋œ ๊ฒƒ์ธ์ง€ ๋ณด์—ฌ์ฃผ๋Š” ์ข‹์€ ์˜ˆ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:45
Why donโ€™t you tell us about your childhood, like, how did you learn English?
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์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ์–ด๋–ป๊ฒŒ ๋ฐฐ์› ๋Š”์ง€ ๋“ฑ
์–ด๋ฆฐ ์‹œ์ ˆ์— ๋Œ€ํ•ด ์ด์•ผ๊ธฐํ•ด ๋ณด์„ธ์š” .
01:52
It started with a deaf school.
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๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์€ ์ฒญ๊ฐ ์žฅ์• ์ธ ํ•™๊ต์—์„œ ์‹œ์ž‘๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
01:54
So Iโ€™m with other children who are also deaf.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‚˜๋Š” ์—ญ์‹œ ์ฒญ๊ฐ ์žฅ์• ๊ฐ€ ์žˆ๋Š” ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ์•„์ด๋“ค๊ณผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์†์œผ๋กœ ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์› ๊ธฐ
02:00
We learned English through the hands, so itโ€™s not sign language.
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๋•Œ๋ฌธ์— ์ˆ˜ํ™”๊ฐ€ ์•„๋‹™๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:06
But a representation of English with the hands.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ์†์œผ๋กœ ํ‘œํ˜„ํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:10
So through that medium, we learn the structure of English.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ ๋งค์ฒด๋ฅผ ํ†ตํ•ด
์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์˜์–ด์˜ ๊ตฌ์กฐ๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์›๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:16
And alsoโ€ฆ
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋˜โ€ฆ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ ๊ฐ€์กฑ์€ ๋ชจ๋‘ ๋“ฃ๊ณ  ์žˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:17
My family are all hearing.
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02:20
So I was isolated from the conversation.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‚˜๋Š” ๋Œ€ํ™”์—์„œ ๊ณ ๋ฆฝ๋˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:24
So I spent a lot of time reading.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ฑ…์„ ์ฝ๋Š” ๋ฐ ๋งŽ์€ ์‹œ๊ฐ„์„ ๋ณด๋ƒˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:27
So I learned more English through books.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์ฑ…์„ ํ†ตํ•ด ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ๋” ๋งŽ์ด ๋ฐฐ์› ์–ด์š”.
02:31
Through books, yesโ€ฆ
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์ฑ…์„ ํ†ตํ•ด ๊ทธ๋ ‡์ฃ โ€ฆ
02:33
That is amazing.
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๋Œ€๋‹จํ•˜๋„ค์š”.
์ฑ…์„ ๋งŽ์ด ์ฝ์œผ์…จ๋‚˜๋ด์š”.
02:36
You mustโ€™ve read a lot of books.
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02:38
A lot, yes.
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๋งŽ์ด ๊ทธ๋ ‡์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋งŽ์€ ์ฑ….
02:40
A lot of books.
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02:42
As I said, or he said, we met in North Korea.
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๋‚ด๊ฐ€ ๋งํ–ˆ๋“ฏ์ด, ๊ทธ๊ฐ€ ๋งํ–ˆ๋“ฏ์ด, ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ถํ•œ์—์„œ ๋งŒ๋‚ฌ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:46
He loves to travel.
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๊ทธ๋Š” ์—ฌํ–‰์„ ์ข‹์•„ํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:48
I do.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์š”.
02:49
So, how many countries and territories have you been to?
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๊ทธ๋ ‡๋‹ค๋ฉด ์–ผ๋งˆ๋‚˜ ๋งŽ์€ ๊ตญ๊ฐ€
์™€ ์ง€์—ญ์„ ๊ฐ€๋ณด์…จ๋‚˜์š”?
02:53
I have been to, now, over 90.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ์ด์ œ 90์ด ๋„˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. 90์ด ๋„˜์—ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ทธ๋ ‡์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
02:57
Over 90, yes.
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02:58
I have not traveled that much.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋งŽ์ด ์—ฌํ–‰ํ•˜์ง€ ์•Š์•˜์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:01
And I donโ€™t think many of you have traveled that much,
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‚ด ์ƒ๊ฐ์—” ์—ฌ๋Ÿฌ๋ถ„ ์ค‘์— ๊ทธ๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ๋งŽ์ด ์—ฌํ–‰ํ•ด๋ณธ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ์ด ๋งŽ์ง€ ์•Š์„ ๊ฒƒ ๊ฐ™์€๋ฐ,
03:03
so he is amazing.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ทธ๋Š” ์ •๋ง ๋Œ€๋‹จํ•ด์š”.
03:04
He can travel the world alone.
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๊ทธ๋Š” ํ˜ผ์ž์„œ ์„ธ๊ณ„๋ฅผ ์—ฌํ–‰ํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‹ค.
03:07
You knowโ€ฆ
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์•„์‹œ์ฃ โ€ฆ
03:08
No problem.
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๋ฌธ์ œ ์—†์–ด์š”.
03:09
Thereโ€™s no problem.
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๋ฌธ์ œ ์—†๋‹ค.
03:11
Can you tell us what kind of problems you may have when traveling?
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์—ฌํ–‰ํ•  ๋•Œ ์–ด๋–ค ๋ฌธ์ œ๊ฐ€
๋ฐœ์ƒํ•  ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋Š”์ง€ ์•Œ๋ ค์ฃผ์‹ค ์ˆ˜ ์žˆ๋‚˜์š”?
03:17
I have been to a lot of poor countries.
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๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ฐ€๋‚œํ•œ ๋‚˜๋ผ๋ฅผ ๋งŽ์ด ๊ฐ€๋ดค์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๊ฐ€๋‚œํ•œ ๋‚˜๋ผ์—์„œ๋Š”
03:23
And in poor countries, a lot of people cannot read and write.
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๋งŽ์€ ์‚ฌ๋žŒ๋“ค์ด ์ฝ๊ณ  ์“ฐ์ง€ ๋ชปํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ์˜์‚ฌ์†Œํ†ต์„ ํ•  ๋•Œ ํŽœ๊ณผ ์ข…์ด๋ฅผ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•ด์•ผ ํ•˜๋Š”
03:29
So, a lot of the time, when I communicate, I have to use pen and paper.
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๊ฒฝ์šฐ๊ฐ€ ๋งŽ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
03:35
So when I go up to someone in a poor country to ask for something,
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. ๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๊ฐ€๋‚œํ•œ ๋‚˜๋ผ์˜ ๋ˆ„๊ตฐ๊ฐ€์—๊ฒŒ ๋ฌด์—‡์ธ๊ฐ€๋ฅผ ์ฒญํ•˜๋Ÿฌ
๊ฐˆ ๋•Œ , ๋‚˜๋Š” ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ ์–ด๋‘ก๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:41
I write it down.
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03:42
But they cannot read it.
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๊ทธ๋Ÿฌ๋‚˜ ๊ทธ๋“ค์€ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์„ ์ฝ์„ ์ˆ˜ ์—†์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:44
So, Iโ€™ve had to adapt to that by miming for example, or drawing a picture.
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๊ทธ๋ž˜์„œ ๋‚˜๋Š” ํ‰๋‚ด๋ฅผ ๋‚ด๊ฑฐ๋‚˜
๊ทธ๋ฆผ์„ ๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋“ฑ ๊ทธ๊ฒƒ์— ์ ์‘ํ•ด์•ผ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:52
So thatโ€™s a good example.
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์ข‹์€ ์˜ˆ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
03:55
Okay, and what country are planning to travel in the near future?
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์ข‹์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฐ€๊นŒ์šด ์‹œ์ผ ๋‚ด์— ์–ด๋Š ๋‚˜๋ผ๋ฅผ ์—ฌํ–‰ํ•  ๊ณ„ํš์ธ๊ฐ€์š”?
04:01
Thereโ€™s so much more of the world that I want to see.
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๋ณด๊ณ  ์‹ถ์€ ์„ธ์ƒ์ด ๋„ˆ๋ฌด ๋งŽ์•„์š”.
04:05
Iโ€™m thinking of going to Mongolia.
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๋ชฝ๊ณจ์— ๊ฐˆ ์ƒ๊ฐ์ด์—์š”.
04:08
Itโ€™s very beautiful.
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๋งค์šฐ ์•„๋ฆ„๋‹ต์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ˆ. ์‘, ์•Œ์•˜์–ด.
04:10
Yes.
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04:11
Yes, alright.
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04:12
You have been.
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๋‹น์‹ ์€ ๊ทธ๋žฌ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ €๋Š” ๋ชฝ๊ณจ์— ๊ฐ€๋ณธ ์ ์ด ์žˆ์–ด์š”. ๋งค์šฐ ์•„๋ฆ„๋‹ต์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:13
Iโ€™ve been to Mongolia.
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04:14
Itโ€™s very beautiful.
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04:16
And, yes, we have traveled...
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ , ๊ทธ๋ ‡์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:18
after we met in North Korea.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋ถํ•œ์—์„œ ๋งŒ๋‚œ ํ›„์— ์—ฌํ–‰์„ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค
04:21
We have traveled to other countries.
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. ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋‹ค๋ฅธ ๋‚˜๋ผ๋ฅผ ์—ฌํ–‰ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:23
We've traveled to Sri Lanka and Maldives together.
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์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ์Šค๋ฆฌ๋ž‘์นด์™€ ๋ชฐ๋””๋ธŒ๋ฅผ ํ•จ๊ป˜ ์—ฌํ–‰ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜ˆ.
04:26
Yes.
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04:27
And in the future we will travel to more countries.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์•ž์œผ๋กœ ์šฐ๋ฆฌ๋Š” ๋” ๋งŽ์€ ๋‚˜๋ผ๋ฅผ ์—ฌํ–‰ํ•  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:32
Alright, thank you very much, Stephen.
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์•Œ์•˜์–ด, ์ •๋ง ๊ณ ๋งˆ์›Œ์š”, ์Šคํ‹ฐ๋ธ.
04:34
Youโ€™re welcome.
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04:35
Iโ€™m very happy you did this.
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์ฒœ๋งŒ์—์š”.
๋‹น์‹ ์ด ์ด๋ ‡๊ฒŒ ํ•ด์„œ ์ •๋ง ๊ธฐ๋ป์š”.
04:37
And you shared a part of your life with our viewers.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์‹œ์ฒญ์ž๋“ค๊ณผ ๋‹น์‹ ์˜ ์‚ถ์˜ ์ผ๋ถ€๋ฅผ ๊ณต์œ ํ–ˆ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:40
And your struggles traveling around the world.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‹น์‹ ์€ ์ „ ์„ธ๊ณ„๋ฅผ ์—ฌํ–‰ํ•˜๋ฉด์„œ ๊ณ ๊ตฐ๋ถ„ํˆฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:44
And learning and speaking English.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ์˜์–ด๋ฅผ ๋ฐฐ์šฐ๊ณ  ๋งํ•˜๋Š” ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:47
So thank you very much.
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์ •๋ง ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:48
Yeah.
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์‘.
04:49
Alright, thank you everyone for watching.
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๋„ค, ์‹œ์ฒญํ•ด ์ฃผ์…”์„œ ๊ฐ์‚ฌํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
04:51
And Iโ€™ll see you next time.
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๊ทธ๋ฆฌ๊ณ  ๋‹ค์Œ์— ๋ต™๊ฒ ์Šต๋‹ˆ๋‹ค.
์ด ์›น์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ ์ •๋ณด

์ด ์‚ฌ์ดํŠธ๋Š” ์˜์–ด ํ•™์Šต์— ์œ ์šฉํ•œ YouTube ๋™์˜์ƒ์„ ์†Œ๊ฐœํ•ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์ „ ์„ธ๊ณ„ ์ตœ๊ณ ์˜ ์„ ์ƒ๋‹˜๋“ค์ด ๊ฐ€๋ฅด์น˜๋Š” ์˜์–ด ์ˆ˜์—…์„ ๋ณด๊ฒŒ ๋  ๊ฒƒ์ž…๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๊ฐ ๋™์˜์ƒ ํŽ˜์ด์ง€์— ํ‘œ์‹œ๋˜๋Š” ์˜์–ด ์ž๋ง‰์„ ๋”๋ธ” ํด๋ฆญํ•˜๋ฉด ๊ทธ๊ณณ์—์„œ ๋™์˜์ƒ์ด ์žฌ์ƒ๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ๋น„๋””์˜ค ์žฌ์ƒ์— ๋งž์ถฐ ์ž๋ง‰์ด ์Šคํฌ๋กค๋ฉ๋‹ˆ๋‹ค. ์˜๊ฒฌ์ด๋‚˜ ์š”์ฒญ์ด ์žˆ๋Š” ๊ฒฝ์šฐ ์ด ๋ฌธ์˜ ์–‘์‹์„ ์‚ฌ์šฉํ•˜์—ฌ ๋ฌธ์˜ํ•˜์‹ญ์‹œ์˜ค.

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