Thomas P. Campbell: Weaving narratives in museum galleries

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Translator: Joseph Geni Reviewer: Morton Bast
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譯者: Anny Chung 審譯者: 盧 曉天
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When I was considering a career in the art world,
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正當我打算投入藝術事業時
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I took a course in London,
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我在倫敦修了一門課
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and one of my supervisors was this irascible Italian
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其中一名老師 是位個性焦躁的義大利人
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called Pietro, who drank too much,
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叫做 Pietro
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smoked too much and swore much too much.
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他常喝酒、常抽菸 髒話也罵得有夠多
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But he was a passionate teacher,
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但他是個極富熱忱的教師
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and I remember one of our earlier classes with him,
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有一次上課
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he was projecting images on the wall,
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他把圖片投影在牆上
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asking us to think about them,
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並要我們思索圖中含意
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and he put up an image of a painting.
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其中一張是一幅畫
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It was a landscape with figures, semi-dressed,
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一幅風景圖 有一些半裸體的人在喝酒
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drinking wine. There was a nude woman
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前景下方
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in the lower foreground, and on the hillside in the back,
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有一位裸女 而後方的山丘邊上
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there was a figure of the mythological god Bacchus,
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畫著希臘神話中的酒神Bacchus
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and he said, "What is this?"
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老師問道 "這是什麼?"
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And I -- no one else did, so I put up my hand, and I said,
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因為沒人回答,我就舉手說:
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"It's a Bacchanal by Titian."
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"這是提香所繪的《酒神節》(Bacchanal)"
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He said, "It's a what?"
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他說:"是什麼?"
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I thought maybe I'd pronounced it wrong.
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我以為是發音錯了
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"It's a Bacchanal by Titian."
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"這是提香的《ㄐㄧㄡ神節》"
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He said, "It's a what?"
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他又說:"是什麼?"
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I said, "It's a Bacchanal by Titian." (Laughter)
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我說:"這是提香的《ㄑㄧㄡˊ 神節》" (笑聲)
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He said, "You boneless bookworm!
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他說:"你這個書呆子!"
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It's a fucking orgy!"
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"這他媽的叫做多P派對!"
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(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
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As I said, he swore too much.
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如我所說,他髒話掛嘴邊
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There was an important lesson for me in that.
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從中,我學到寶貴的一課
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Pietro was suspicious of formal art training,
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Pietro 對正規 藝術教育 和 藝術史教育 很不以為然
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art history training, because he feared
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因為他認為
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that it filled people up with jargon, and then they just
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這麼一來 人們的腦袋只會充滿專有名詞
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classified things rather than looking at them,
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讓大家學會分門別類 忽略如何欣賞
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and he wanted to remind us that all art was once contemporary,
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他想要提醒我們所有的藝術曾經都很 "現代"
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and he wanted us to use our eyes,
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他希望我們用自己的眼睛
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and he was especially evangelical about this message,
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也特別強調
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because he was losing his sight.
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因為他的視力已經開始退化
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He wanted us to look and ask basic questions of objects.
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他希望我們多觀察 問的問題越單純越好
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What is it? How is it made? Why was it made?
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這是什麼? 是怎麼做的?為什麼要做?
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How is it used?
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如何使用?
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And these were important lessons to me when
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這堂課帶給我的觀念
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I subsequently became a professional art historian.
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在我成為專業的藝術史學家之後 依然中用
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My kind of eureka moment came a few years later,
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幾年之後,我茅塞頓開
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when I was studying the art of the courts of Northern Europe,
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當時我正研究北歐宮廷藝術
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and of course it was very much discussed in terms of
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當然這其中所討論的大多是
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the paintings and the sculptures
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畫作、雕刻
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and the architecture of the day.
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還有當代的建築
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But as I began to read historical documents
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但當我開始閱讀史料
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and contemporary descriptions,
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和當代的介紹時
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I found there was a kind of a missing component,
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我發現有一樣東西不見了
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for everywhere I came across descriptions of tapestries.
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我在史料中到處可見壁毯的記載
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Tapestries were ubiquitous between the Middle Ages
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壁毯在中世紀是隨處可見的
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and, really, well into the 18th century,
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一直到18世紀都是如此
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and it was pretty apparent why.
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原因挺明顯的
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Tapestries were portable. You could roll them up,
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因為壁毯可以隨身攜帶
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send them ahead of you, and in the time
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簡單又方便 只要掛到牆上
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it took to hang them up, you could transform a cold,
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就可以讓又冷又暗的房間
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dank interior into a richly colored setting.
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瞬間充滿色彩
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Tapestries effectively provided a vast canvas
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壁毯是一幅巨大的畫布
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on which the patrons of the day could depict the heroes
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畫布上大多刻畫著
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with whom they wanted to be associated,
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他們所喜愛的英雄們
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or even themselves,
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甚至是自己的肖像
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and in addition to that, tapestries were hugely expensive.
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此外,壁毯是非常昂貴的東西
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They required scores of highly skilled weavers
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每一條都是靠大量精熟的織工
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working over extended periods of time
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花很多時間做成的
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with very expensive materials -- the wools, the silks,
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選用上好的羊毛和蠶絲製作
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even gold and silver thread.
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有的甚至織入金線銀線
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So, all in all, in an age when the visual image
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所以
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of any kind was rare, tapestries were an incredibly potent
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在任何視覺圖像都很稀有的時代
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form of propaganda.
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壁毯成為極具影響力的宣傳工具
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Well, I became a tapestry historian.
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我也因緣際會成為壁毯史學家
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In due course, I ended up as a curator
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後來 我到大都會美術館擔任策展人
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at the Metropolitan Museum, because I saw the Met
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因為我認為
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as one of the few places where I could organize
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這個機會世上少有
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really big exhibitions about the subject
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我可以策劃各種我喜歡的大型特展
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I cared so passionately about.
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探討我最熱愛主題
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And in about 1997, the then-director Philippe de Montebello
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1997年時 那時的館長Phlippe de Montebello
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gave me the go-ahead to organize an exhibition
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要我開始籌備2002年的特展
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for 2002. We normally have these very long lead-in times.
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這種特展 因為牽扯到許多環節
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It wasn't straightforward. It's no longer a question
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往往要提早很長一段時間籌備
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of chucking a tapestry in the back of a car.
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譬如說 不能直接把壁毯扔進貨車
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They have to be wound on huge rollers,
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得用巨大的捲筒捲起來
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shipped in oversized freighters.
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並用特大號的貨輪運送
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Some of them are so big we had, to get them into the museum,
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有些壁毯大到無法扛進美術館
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we had to take them up the great steps at the front.
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從正門的大石階才得其門而入
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We thought very hard about how to present this
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我們費盡心思
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unknown subject to a modern audience:
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試圖呈現這幅壁毯的意境
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the dark colors to set off the colors that remained
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用較暗色的背景和褪色的物品形成對比
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in objects that were often faded;
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顯現主題的色彩
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the placing of lights to bring out the silk and the gold thread;
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運用燈光
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the labeling.
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來襯托蠶絲與金線
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You know, we live in an age where we are so used
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你知道嗎?
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to television images and photographs,
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現代人太依賴電視影像、照片和照片
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a one-hit image. These were big, complex things,
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壁毯這種又大又複雜的東西
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almost like cartoons with multiple narratives.
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就像有多種角色扮演的卡通
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We had to draw our audience in, get them to slow down,
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我們必須吸引觀眾 讓他們放慢步調
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to explore the objects.
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慢慢探索這些藝術品
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There was a lot of skepticism. On the opening night,
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縱使面臨許多質疑的聲浪
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I overheard one of the senior members of staff saying,
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特展第一天 我偷聽到一位資深的工作人員說
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"This is going to be a bomb."
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"這樣沒搞頭!"
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But in reality, in the course of the coming weeks and months,
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但事實上 在接下來的幾個月
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hundreds of thousands of people came to see the show.
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成千上萬民眾接踵而至
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The exhibition was designed to be an experience,
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展覽的設計讓觀眾身歷其境
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and tapestries are hard to reproduce in photographs.
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而且壁毯很難以照片的形式呈現
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So I want you to use your imaginations,
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所以我想請你們運用想像力
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thinking of these wall-high objects,
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想像這些跟牆一樣高的東西
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some of them 10 meters wide,
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有些寬達10米
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depicting lavish court scenes with courtiers and dandies
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刻畫著金碧輝煌的宮廷景象 和穿著華麗的紈褲子弟
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who would look quite at home in the pages of the fashion press today,
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若出現在今日的流行雜誌 也不會奇怪
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thick woods with hunters crashing through the undergrowth
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茂密的樹林中 獵人在樹叢中披荊斬棘
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in pursuit of wild boars and deer,
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緊追著野豬和鹿群
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violent battles with scenes of fear and heroism.
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血腥戰場上的恐懼與英雄氣概
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I remember taking my son's school class. He was eight at the time,
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我記得我帶兒子的班上參觀 他當時八歲
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and all the little boys, they kind of -- you know, they were little boys,
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而那些小男孩 你也知道的,小男生都這樣
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and then the thing that caught their attention
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他們的最專注的東西
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was in one of the hunting scenes there was a dog
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是一幅狩獵景象裡 其中有隻狗
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pooping in the foreground — (Laughter) —
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在前景中大便(笑聲)
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kind of an in-your-face joke by the artist.
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有點像是藝術家故意的小笑話
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And you can just imagine them.
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你可想樣小朋友的反應
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But it brought it alive to them. I think they suddenly saw
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但這使的整個展覽鮮活了起來 我想他們忽然發現
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that these weren't just old faded tapestries.
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這些並不只是褪色的壁毯
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These were images of the world in the past,
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這些影像捕捉已過去的世界
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and that it was the same for our audience.
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忠實地呈現在過去與現代的觀眾眼前
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And for me as a curator, I felt proud. I felt I'd shifted the needle a little.
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身為策展人,我感到很驕傲 我覺得我有那麼些影響力
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Through this experience that could only be created
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透過這個只有在美術博物館 才能製造的經驗
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in a museum, I'd opened up the eyes of my audience --
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我讓觀眾開了眼界
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historians, artists, press, the general public --
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讓歷史學家、藝術家,和社會大眾
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to the beauty of this lost medium.
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有機會欣賞這已失去的介質的美麗
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A few years later, I was invited to be the director
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幾年後 我受邀成為美術館的館長
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of the museum, and after I got over that --
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在我自當下的不可置信: "蛤?我嗎?"
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"Who, me? The tapestry geek? I don't wear a tie!" --
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"那個壁毯怪咖?我是不打領帶的!" 反應過來之後
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I realized the fact: I believe passionately in that
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我看清事實:我熱忱地相信
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curated museum experience.
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博物館經驗的力量
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We live in an age of ubiquitous information,
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我們生活的時代中資訊無所不在
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and sort of "just add water" expertise,
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專業知識簡便地像即溶咖啡
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but there's nothing that compares with the presentation
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但是沒有任何東西比得過
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of significant objects in a well-told narrative,
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已引人入勝的故事呈獻深具意義的物品
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what the curator does, the interpretation of a complex,
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策展人的任務是解釋一個複雜
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esoteric subject, in a way that retains the integrity
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深奧的主題 並同時保持主題的完整性
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of the subject, that makes it -- unpacks it
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但是想辦法將謎團拆開
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for a general audience.
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使普通觀眾能夠親近
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And that, to me, today, is now the challenge and the fun
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而對我來說 那正是我的工作的有趣
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of my job, supporting the vision of my curators,
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及挑戰之處 如何支持我的策展同仁的願景
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whether it's an exhibition of Samurai swords,
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不管是展出日本武士刀
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early Byzantine artifacts, Renaissance portraits,
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早期拜占廷文物、文藝復興肖像
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or the show we heard mentioned earlier,
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或是之前有提過的特展
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the McQueen show, with which we enjoyed
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也就是去年暑假很成功的
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so much success last summer.
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設計師麥昆的展覽
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That was an interesting case.
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那其實是很有趣的案例
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In the late spring, early summer of 2010, shortly after
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在2010年的春末夏初時
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McQueen's suicide,
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於麥昆自殺過後不久
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our curator of costume, Andrew Bolton, came to see me,
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我們的服裝策展人 Andrew Bolton來見我
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and said, "I've been thinking of doing a show on McQueen,
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他說 "我已經想要計畫麥昆特展一陣子了"
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and now is the moment. We have to, we have to do it fast."
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"而現在正是時機" "我們一定得做,而且要快"
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It wasn't easy. McQueen had worked throughout his career
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這並不簡單 麥昆畢生僅與少數幾名
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with a small team of designers and managers
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經紀人和設計團隊合作
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who were very protective of his legacy,
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他們很保護麥昆留下的作品
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but Andrew went to London and worked with them
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但Andrew去了倫敦一趟
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over the summer and won their confidence, and that of
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並與他們一共事了一個暑假
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the designers who created his amazing fashion shows,
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贏得一些設計師的信賴 他們曾策劃麥昆驚人的服裝秀
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which were works of performance art in their own right,
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單是這些秀就可說是表演藝術的作品
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and we proceeded to do something at the museum,
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而我們一同於大都會美術館
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I think, we've never done before.
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做了我們不曾做過的事
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It wasn't just your standard installation.
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這不是正常的藝術安裝
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In fact, we ripped down the galleries to recreate
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事實上,我們把各展廳給拆了
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entirely different settings, a recreation of his first studio,
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創造完全不同的佈景 像是重造他第一個工作室
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a hall of mirrors,
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一個鏡面長廊
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a curiosity box,
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一個百寶箱
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a sunken ship, a burned-out interior,
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一艘沈船、火災肆虐後的室內
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with videos and soundtracks that ranged from
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加上各式錄音和錄影帶
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operatic arias to pigs fornicating.
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從歌劇詠嘆調到豬在交配的畫面
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And in this extraordinary setting, the costumes
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而在這誇張的佈景中,那些服裝
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were like actors and actresses, or living sculptures.
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有如演員或是活生生的雕像一般
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It could have been a train wreck.
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這一切都有可能是悲劇收場
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It could have looked like shop windows on Fifth Avenue
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可能看起來像聖誕節 第五大道的展示窗一樣
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at Christmas, but because of the way that Andrew
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但由於Andrew和麥昆的團隊
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connected with the McQueen team, he was channeling
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關係密切。他有辦法汲取呈現
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the rawness and the brilliance of McQueen,
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麥昆野蠻並令人驚奇的設計風格
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and the show was quite transcendant,
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結果展出超越所有期望
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and it became a phenomenon in its own right.
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不只是展出的時裝 而是展覽本身吸引大批群眾
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By the end of the show, we had people queuing
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到了最後展覽接近尾聲時
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for four or five hours to get into the show,
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有些民眾排隊四、五小時才得進場
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but no one really complained.
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但沒有人抱怨
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I heard over and over again, "Wow, that was worth it.
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我一再聽見 "哇!這真是值得"
11:12
It was a such a visceral, emotive experience."
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"這真是個扣人心弦的經驗"
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Now, I've described two very immersive exhibitions,
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現在 我講了兩個令人身臨其境的展覽
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but I also believe that collections, individual objects,
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但我也相信收藏和個別的展示品
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can also have that same power.
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也能有相同的效果
11:27
The Met was set up not as a museum of American art,
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大都會美術館的成立宗旨 並不只是為了收藏美國藝術
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but of an encyclopedic museum,
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而是要成為一個包羅萬象的博物館
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and today, 140 years later, that vision
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而140年後的今日
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is as prescient as ever,
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那個願景的先見之明 一如過往
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because, of course, we live in a world of crisis,
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這是因為 我們生活在一個充滿危機的世界
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of challenge, and we're exposed to it
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處處有著挑戰 而且經由二十四小時的新聞頻道
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through the 24/7 newsreels.
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時時刻刻地接觸這些危機
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It's in our galleries that we can unpack the civilizations,
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唯有於展廳之內 我們才有辦法解開文明的奧妙
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the cultures, that we're seeing the current manifestation of.
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認識日常所見的新文化
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Whether it's Libya, Egypt, Syria,
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無論是利比亞、埃及、敘利亞
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it's in our galleries that we can explain
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在我們的展廳之中都能予以解讀
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and give greater understanding.
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並帶來更完整的認識
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I mean, our new Islamic galleries are a case in point,
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我是說 我們的伊斯蘭展廳就是個好例子
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opened 10 years, almost to the week, after 9/11.
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它於9/11事件十周年時開放
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I think for most Americans, knowledge of the Islamic world
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我想對於多數美國人 對於伊斯蘭世界的認識
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was pretty slight before 9/11, and then it was thrust upon us
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在9/11之前是極淺的 然後這課題卻在
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in one of America's darkest hours,
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美國史上最黑暗的時刻 猛然於我們肩上扛下
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and the perception was through the polarization
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大家對於伊斯蘭文化的觀感
12:34
of that terrible event.
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透過那悲慘的事件而兩極化
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Now, in our galleries, we show 14 centuries
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現在,在我們的展廳之中
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of the development of different Islamic cultures
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我們展示伊斯蘭文化 十四個世紀以來的演變
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across a vast geographic spread,
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並涵蓋廣泛的地理範圍
12:48
and, again, hundreds of thousands of people have come
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再一次的 已有數十萬的民眾前來參觀
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to see these galleries since they opened last October.
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這些去年十月開放的展覽廳
12:58
I'm often asked, "Is digital media replacing the museum?"
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常有人問我: "數位媒體會取代美術館嗎?"
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and I think those numbers are a resounding rejection
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我認為這些參展數據堅決否定此說
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of that notion. I mean, don't get me wrong,
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我是說,不要誤會我的意思
13:12
I'm a huge advocate of the Web.
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我很倡導網際網路
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It gives us a way of reaching out to audiences
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它使我們有辦法接觸全世界的觀眾
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around the globe, but nothing replaces the authenticity
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但沒有任何東西能夠取代
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of the object presented with passionate scholarship.
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經熱誠的學問呈現的物品的真實性
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Bringing people face to face with our objects
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當人們和展品面對面接觸時
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is a way of bringing them face to face with people
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就像是和其他人面對面接觸
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across time, across space, whose lives may have been
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超越時空 接觸這些生命與我們截然不同
13:43
very different to our own, but who, like us,
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卻和我們所有人一樣
13:48
had hopes and dreams, frustrations and achievements
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擁有希望和夢想 挫折與成就的人生
13:53
in their lives. And I think this is a process
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我認為這個過程
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that helps us better understand ourselves,
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能使我們更加了解自己
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helps us make better decisions about where we're going.
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並幫助我們在未來 做出更好的決策
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The Great Hall at the Met is one of the great portals of the world,
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大都會美術館的大廳 是個舉世無雙的通道
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awe-inspiring, like a medieval cathedral.
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凜然如中古世紀的大教堂
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From there, you can walk in any direction
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從這裡, 你可以往任何一個方向前進
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to almost any culture.
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邁向任何一種文化
14:20
I frequently go out into the hall and the galleries
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我時常到大廳和展示廳裡
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and I watch our visitors coming in.
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看著我們的訪客進出
14:26
Some of them are comfortable. They feel at home.
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有些人看起來自在 就像在自家一般
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They know what they're looking for.
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他們知道自己所追尋的昰什麼
14:33
Others are very uneasy. It's an intimidating place.
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其他人看起來不太自在 這是個令人卻步的地方
14:37
They feel that the institution is elitist.
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他們感到這個機構是只屬於菁英文化
14:40
I'm working to try and break down that sense of that elitism.
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我正努力的破除這個概念
14:46
I want to put people in a contemplative frame of mind,
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我想要讓觀眾陷入沉思的心境
14:50
where they're prepared to be a little bit lost, to explore,
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讓他們願意迷路、願意探索
14:57
to see the unfamiliar in the familiar,
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在熟悉中看見新穎之處
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or to try the unknown.
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或是試著體驗未知
15:05
Because for us, it's all about bringing them face to face
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因為對我們來說 這一切都是為了帶大家
15:09
with great works of art,
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與偉大的藝術作品面對面
15:12
capturing them at that moment of discomfort,
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捕捉那一剎那的不確定感
15:17
when the inclination is kind of to reach for your iPhone,
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當你習以為常地想拿起 你的iphone或 黑莓機
15:20
your Blackberry, but to create a zone
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但我們卻創造一帶空間
15:25
where their curiosity can expand.
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讓人們的好奇心起飛
15:31
And whether it's in the expression of a Greek sculpture
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不管是一個古希臘雕像的表情
15:34
that reminds you of a friend,
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使你想起一位朋友
15:36
or a dog pooping in the corner of a tapestry,
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或一隻狗在壁毯的角落大便
15:40
or, to bring it back to my tutor Pietro,
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或回到我的老師Pietro所說的
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those dancing figures
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圖中那些跳舞的人物
15:46
who are indeed knocking back the wine,
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正飲酒作樂
15:49
and that nude figure in the left foreground.
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和那左前景中的裸女
15:53
Wow. She is a gorgeous embodiment of youthful sexuality.
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哇! 她可真是青春性慾最美麗的代言人
16:01
In that moment, our scholarship can tell you
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在那一剎那 我們的學問可以告訴你
16:07
that this is a bacchanal,
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這是幅《酒神節》
16:10
but if we're doing our job right,
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但如果我們有達到目標
16:13
and you've checked the jargon at the front door,
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而你也將學術名詞忘在大門外
16:17
trust your instinct.
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相信你的直覺
16:20
You know it's an orgy.
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你就會知道那是一場多P派對
16:23
Thank you. (Applause)
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謝謝(掌聲)
16:26
(Applause)
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