How the Panama Papers journalists broke the biggest leak in history | Gerard Ryle
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譯者: Yolanda Wei
審譯者: 易帆 余
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What do you do if you had
to figure out the information
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如果你必須找出 1150 萬筆
文件背後的資訊,
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behind 11.5 million documents,
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verify it and make sense of it?
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並去判定、理解這些資訊時
你會怎麼做?
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That was a challenge
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這是去年,
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that a group of journalists
had to face late last year.
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很多記者不得不面對的挑戰。
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An anonymous person
calling himself John Doe
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一名自稱「張三」的匿名者
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had somehow managed to copy
nearly 40 years of records
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設法成功拷貝了
巴拿馬律師事務所莫薩克・馮賽卡
將近 40 年的文件
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of the Panamanian law firm
Mossack Fonseca.
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This is one of many firms around the world
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這是世界上其中一間
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that specialize in setting up accounts
in offshore tax havens
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專門在海外避稅天堂
比如,英屬維爾京群島這種地方
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like the British Virgin Islands,
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幫客戶建立銀行帳戶的公司之一,
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for rich and powerful people
who like to keep secrets.
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他們為這些想要
隱藏秘密的權貴者提供了這樣的管道。
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John Doe had managed to copy
every spreadsheet from this firm,
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張三設法從這家公司拷貝了
每一張電子表格、
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every client file,
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每一份客戶檔案、
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every email,
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每一封電子郵件、
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from 1977 to the present day.
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時間從 1977 年至今
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It represented the biggest cache
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這是史上最大
避稅天堂系統的資訊洩密案。
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of inside information
into the tax haven system
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that anyone had ever seen.
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But it also presented a gigantic challenge
to investigative journalism.
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但它也為新聞調查帶來了巨大挑戰
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Think about it:
11.5 million documents,
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想像一下: 1150 萬文件
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containing the secrets of people
from more than 200 different countries.
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其中包含著來自 200 多個
不同國家的秘密
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Where do you start
with such a vast resource?
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面對這麼大的資源要從何下手?
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Where do you even begin to tell a story
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你要從何開始進行新聞報導
並追根究底到世上的每個角落?
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that can trail off
into every corner of the globe,
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and that can affect almost
any person in any language,
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進而影響世上每一個人
來關注這件事,
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sometimes in ways
they don't even know yet.
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我們的方式可能是
他們從未見過的。
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John Doe had given the information
to two journalists
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張三把信息給了
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at the German newspaper
Süddeutsche Zeitung.
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德國《南德日報》的兩位記者,
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He said he was motivated
by -- and I quote --
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他說他的動機是
——我引用一下——
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"The scale of the injustice
that the documents would reveal."
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「這些文件能揭示這世上
不公正的規模有多大」
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But one user alone can never make sense
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但是一個機構不可能憑一己之力
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of such a vast amount of information.
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理解如此大量的信息,
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So the Süddeutsche Zeitung reached out
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所以《南德日報》聯繫了
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to my organization in Washington, DC,
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我位於美國華盛頓特區的機構
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The International Consortium
of Investigative Journalists.
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「國際調查記者同盟」,
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We decided to do something
that was the very opposite
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我們決定要做一些不同於
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of everything we'd been taught
to do as journalists:
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以往記者被教導的辦事方法,
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share.
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「分享」
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(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
02:10
By nature, investigative
reporters are lone wolves.
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記者的天性就像孤狼,
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We fiercely guard our secrets,
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我們兇猛地捍衛著我們的機密
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at times even from our editors,
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有時候甚至不讓編輯知道,
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because we know that the moment
we tell them what we have,
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因為我們知道
一旦告訴他們我們手頭的報導
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they'll want that story right away.
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他們立刻就會想把報導佔為己有
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And to be frank,
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老實說,
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when you get a good story,
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當你有了一篇精彩的新聞報導
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you like to keep the glory to yourself.
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你會想獨享這份榮耀,
02:29
But there's no doubt
that we live in a shrinking world,
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毫無疑問,我們正生活在
一個日漸緊密的世界,
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and that the media has largely
been slow to wake up to this.
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但媒體業卻很晚
才體認到這一點。
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The issues we report on
are more and more transnational.
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我們報導的事件越來越跨國界。
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Giant corporations operate
on a global level.
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大型公司的跨國經營、
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Environmental and health
crises are global.
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環境和健康問題
都是全球性的挑戰。
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So, too, are financial flows
and financial crises.
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同理,資金流動和
經濟危機也是如此。
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So it seems staggering
that journalism has been so late
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所以,新聞界這麼晚
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to cover stories in a truly global way.
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才進行全球化報導
的確令人驚訝,
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And it also seems staggering
that journalism has been so slow
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同樣令人驚訝的是
新聞業竟這麼晚
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to wake up to the possibilities
that technology brings,
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才體認到科技所帶來的可能性,
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rather than being frightened of it.
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而不是害怕科技。
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The reason journalists
are scared of technology is this:
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記者這麼害怕科技的原因是:
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the profession's largest institutions
are going through tough times
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這個最大的專業機構
正在經歷困難時期,
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because of the changing way
that people are consuming news.
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因為人們閱讀新聞
的方式已經改變,
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The advertising business models
that have sustained reporting are broken.
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支持新聞業的
廣告商業模式已經瓦解。
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And this has plunged
journalism into crisis,
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這使新聞業陷入困境,
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forcing those institutions
to reexamine how they function.
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迫使這些機構
反思他們如何運作,
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But where there is crisis,
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但有危必有機,
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there is also opportunity.
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The first challenge presented
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第一個挑戰是
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by what would eventually become
known as the Panama Papers
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最終要如何把
這份知名的巴拿馬文件
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was to make the documents
searchable and readable.
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變得可被搜索和可被閱讀。
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There were nearly five million emails,
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這裡有將近五百萬封電子郵件,
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two million PDFs that needed
to be scanned and indexed,
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兩百萬份需要
被掃描和索引的電子文件
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and millions more files
and other kinds of documents.
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還有成百萬的文件夾
和其他類型的文件。
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They all needed to be housed
in a safe and secure location
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他們都需要被存放在
一個安全又保密的雲端。
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in the cloud.
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We next invited reporters
to have a look at the documents.
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我們接下來,邀請
全球的記者來看這些文件,
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In all, reporters from more
than 100 media organizations
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總共有 76 個國家,
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in 76 countries --
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超過 100 個媒體機構
的記者參與。
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from the BBC in Britain
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有來自英國廣播公司的、
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to Le Monde newspaper in France
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法國世界報的、
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to the Asahi Shimbun in Japan.
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日本朝日新聞。
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"Native eyes on native names,"
we called it, the idea being,
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我們把這方法稱為
《用本地人的眼睛來辨識本地人的名字》
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who best to tell you
who was important to Nigeria
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誰能比奈吉利亞的記者
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than a Nigerian journalist?
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更能辨認出奈吉利亞的重要人物?
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Who best in Canada than a Canadian?
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誰能比加拿大記者
更能說明加拿大的情況呢?
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There were only two rules
for everyone who was invited:
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被邀請來的記者只要遵守兩個規則:
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we all agreed to share everything
that we found with everybody else,
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一是我們都同意分享
我們和別人找到的任何信息,
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and we all agreed to publish
together on the same day.
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二是我們都同意在同一天發表結果,
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We chose our media partners based on trust
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我們用信任基礎,
來篩選媒體夥伴,
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that had been built up through
previous smaller collaborations
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這信任可能是來自於
之前的合作,
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and also from leads
that jumped out from the documents.
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也來自於在文件中發現的線索。
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Over the next few months,
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後來的幾個月,
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my small nonprofit organization
of less than 20 people
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我這邊不到 20 人的非營利組織
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was joined by more than 350 other
reporters from 25 language groups.
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加入了來自 25 種語言區
超過 350 名的記者。
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The biggest information leak in history
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有史以來最大的信息洩漏
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had now spawned the biggest
journalism collaboration in history:
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也催生了有史以來
最大的新聞業合作
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376 sets of native eyes doing
what journalists normally never do,
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376 名記者做著
他們平常不會做的事情,
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working shoulder to shoulder,
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並肩作戰
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sharing information,
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分享信息,
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but telling no one.
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但是不能對外公佈。
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For it became clear at this point
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因為這時我們都清楚
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that in order to make
the biggest kind of noise,
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要造成最大程度的轟動
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we first needed
the biggest kind of silence.
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我們必須先保持最大程度的肅靜。
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To manage the project
over the many months it would take,
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這個項目預期要進行幾個月,
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we built a secure virtual newsroom.
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我們建造了安全的
虛擬新聞編輯室,
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We used encrypted communication systems,
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我們使用加密的溝通系統,
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and we built a specially
designed search engine.
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我們特地設計了
一個專用的搜索引擎。
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Inside the virtual newsroom,
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在這虛擬新聞編輯室裏面,
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the reporters could gather
around the themes
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記者可以根據主題
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that were emerging from the documents.
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搜集文件中出現的信息。
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Those interested in blood diamonds
or exotic art, for instance,
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比如對血鑽石
或者東方古董感興趣的人,
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could share information about how
the offshore world was being used
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可以分享這些人
是如何利用境外世界
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to hide the trade in both
of those commodities.
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來暗中進行商品的交易。
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Those interested in sport
could share information
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對體育感興趣的人,
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about how famous sports stars
were putting their image rights
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可以分享體育明星們是如何
把自己的肖像權
讓海外公司使用,
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into offshore companies,
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thereby likely avoiding taxes
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從而
在他們所在的國家中避稅。
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in the countries
where they plied their trade.
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But perhaps most exciting of all
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但也許其中最激動人心的
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were the number of world leaders
and elect politicians
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是文件中出現的
世界領袖和民選政治人物。
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that were emerging from the documents --
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figures like Petro Poroshenko in Ukraine,
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比如烏克蘭的波羅申科、
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close associates
of Vladimir Putin in Russia
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俄羅斯的普京的親信、
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and the British Prime Minister,
David Cameron, who is linked
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和英國首相大衛 · 卡梅隆,
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through his late father, Ian Cameron.
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他已故的父親伊恩 · 卡梅隆
出現在文件中。
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Buried in the documents
were secret offshore entities,
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文件裏還藏著秘密的
海外實體公司
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such as Wintris Inc.,
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比如 Wintris 公司,
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a company in the British Virgin Islands
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它在英屬維爾京群島建立,
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that had actually belonged
to the sitting Icelandic prime minister.
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實際上這家公司是
當時冰島總理的公司。
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I like to refer to Johannes Kristjansson,
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其中功不可沒的是
約翰內斯 · 克里斯詹森,
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the Icelandic reporter
we invited to join the project,
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他是受我們邀請
加入這項目的冰島記者,
06:41
as the loneliest man in the world.
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可以被稱為這世界上最孤獨的人。
06:44
For nine months, he refused paid work
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九個月以來,他拒接有酬勞的工作,
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and lived off the earnings of his wife.
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依靠妻子的收入生活。
06:49
He pasted tarps
over the windows of his home
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在冰島漫長的冬天
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to prevent prying eyes
during the long Icelandic winter.
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他在自己家中的窗戶上
粘貼防水膠布,防止被窺探。
06:55
And he soon ran out of excuses
to explain his many absences,
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不久他就用完了所有
他長時間缺勤的藉口。
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as he worked red-eyed,
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他工作到眼睛充滿血絲,
日復一日,月復一月
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night after night,
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month after month.
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In all that time, he sat on information
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長久以來,他掌握著
07:06
that would eventually bring down
the leader of his country.
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足以使他的國家領導人
下台的資訊。
07:10
Now, when you're an investigative reporter
and you make an amazing discovery,
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現在,想像你是一位記者
你正在進行驚人的調查,
07:13
such as your prime minster can be linked
to a secret offshore company,
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比如發現了總理
和秘密海外公司有關係,
07:17
that that company has a financial
interest in Icelandic banks --
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那間公司在冰島銀行
獲得了巨額的經濟利益,
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the very issue he's been elected on --
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而這正是他被選上的原因,
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well, your instinct
is to scream out very loud.
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你肯定想大聲宣佈。
07:28
Instead, as one of the few people
that he could speak to,
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但是,作為能與他交談的
少數幾個人之一
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Johannes and I shared
a kind of gallows humor.
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我和約翰內斯都有一種
共同的黑色幽默,
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"Wintris is coming," he used to say.
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他曾經說,「Wintris要來了」
(相關語:凜冬將至)
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(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
07:37
(Applause)
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(掌聲)
07:41
We were big fans of "Game of Thrones."
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我們都是《權力遊戲》 的
忠實粉絲。
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When reporters like Johannes
wanted to scream,
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當像約翰內斯這樣的記者
想要大聲吶喊時,
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they did so inside the virtual newsroom,
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他們會在虛擬新聞
編輯室中這樣做,
07:50
and then they turned
those screams into stories
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接著他們把這些呐喊
轉變成新聞報導,
07:52
by going outside the documents
to court records,
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從文件的信息查到法庭記錄
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official company registers,
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查到官方的公司註冊信息
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and by eventually putting questions
to those that we intended to name.
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最後向我們的目標人物提出質問。
08:03
Panama Papers actually allowed
the reporters to look at the world
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巴拿馬文件實際上讓記者
用不同於一般人的角度去觀察世界。
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through a different lens
from everybody else.
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08:09
As we were researching the story,
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當我們在進行新聞調查的時候
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unconnected to us,
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有的新聞和我們無關,
08:13
a major political bribery scandal
happened in Brazil.
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巴西發生了重大的政治賄賂醜聞,
08:17
A new leader was elected in Argentina.
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阿根廷投票產生了新的領導,
08:20
The FBI began to indict officials at FIFA,
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美國聯邦調查局開始起訴
國際足球聯合會的官員,
08:24
the organization that controls
the world of professional soccer.
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FIFA是控制世界職業足球
比賽的組織。
08:29
The Panama Papers
actually had unique insights
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巴拿馬文件實際上
08:31
into each one of these unfolding events.
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對每件揭露的事
都有著獨特的洞察力。
08:33
So you can imagine the pressure
and the ego dramas
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所以你可以想像我們承受著
足以摧毀我們事業的壓力和自負。
08:37
that could have ruined
what we were trying to do.
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08:39
Any of one of these journalists,
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團隊中的每一個記者,
08:41
they could have broken the pact.
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都有可能違反協議,
08:42
But they didn't.
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但他們並沒有這樣做。
08:44
And on April 3 this year,
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今年的 4 月 3 日
08:46
at exactly 8pm German time,
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在德國時間的下午八點整
08:48
we published simultaneously
in 76 countries.
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我們在 76 個國家
同時發佈了新聞。
08:52
(Applause)
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(掌聲)
09:03
The Panama Papers quickly became
one of the biggest stories of the year.
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巴拿馬文件很快成為了
今年最轟動的事件之一。
09:07
This is the scene in Iceland
the day after we published.
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這是我們發表後
隔天在冰島的景象,
09:10
It was the first of many protests.
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這是眾多抗議遊行的開端;
09:13
The Icelandic prime minister
had to resign.
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冰島的總理不得不辭職,
09:15
It was a first of many resignations.
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這也是眾多領導下台的開端。
09:18
We spotlighted many famous people
such as Lionel Messi,
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我們關注許多名人
比如萊昂內爾·梅西,
09:21
the most famous
soccer player in the world.
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他是全世界最著名的足球運動員。
09:24
And there were some
unintended consequences.
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也有一些我們沒有預料到的後果:
09:27
These alleged members
of a Mexican drug cartel were arrested
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這些墨西哥販毒集團的成員被捕了
09:31
after we published details
about their hideout.
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因為我們公佈了他們巢穴的具體信息,
09:34
They'd been using the address
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他們一直用同一個地址
09:36
to register their offshore company.
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來註冊他們的海外公司。
09:38
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
09:43
There's a kind of irony
in what we've been able to do.
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我們做的事情也有諷刺的一面
09:45
The technology -- the Internet --
that has broken the business model
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科技、網路這些曾經
破壞了新聞商業模式的東西
09:49
is allowing us to reinvent
journalism itself.
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正在幫助我們重塑新聞業。
09:52
And this dynamic is producing
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這樣的改變已經正在進行
09:54
unprecedented levels
of transparency and impact.
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前所未有的透明度和影響力。
09:57
We showed how a group of journalists
can effect change across the world
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我們這一群記者向世人展示了
我們將如何影響並改變全世界,
10:01
by applying new methods
and old-fashioned journalism techniques
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藉由應用新方法
和傳統新聞技巧的結合
10:05
to vast amounts of leaked information.
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來擴大資訊披露的數量。
10:08
We put all-important context
around what was given to us by John Doe.
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我們把「匿名者」提供的
重要內容放在一起。
10:13
And by sharing resources,
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透過資源共享,
10:14
we were able to dig deep --
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我們能挖得更深——
10:16
much deeper and longer than most
media organizations allow these days,
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比現在的大多數媒體機構
能挖得更深更久,
10:20
because of financial concerns.
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因為他們有財務上的考量。
10:23
Now, it was a big risk,
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現在,這是一個重大挑戰,
10:25
and it wouldn't work for every story,
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它不一定在每一個新聞報導中
都起積極作用,
10:27
but we showed with the Panama Papers
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但我們透過巴拿馬文件向世人展示
10:29
that you can write about any country
from just about anywhere,
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不論你在哪裡都能報導
任何國家的新聞,
10:32
and then choose your preferred
battleground to defend your work.
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還能選擇你最感興趣的領域進行報導,
10:36
Try obtaining a court injunction
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嘗試去獲得法庭的禁令
10:37
that would prevent the telling
of a story in 76 different countries.
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這樣可以避免來自 76 國家
新聞報導的洩漏,
10:42
Try stopping the inevitable.
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嘗試阻止不可避免的事。
10:45
Shortly after we published,
I got a three-word text from Johannes:
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在我們發佈後不久
我收到了約翰內斯的短信:
10:49
"Wintris has arrived."
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「凜冬已至」
10:52
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
10:53
It had arrived and so, too, perhaps
has a new era for journalism.
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也許新聞業的新時代
也已經來臨了。
10:57
Thank you.
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謝謝
10:58
(Applause)
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(掌聲)
11:09
Bruno Giussani: Gerard, thank you.
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布魯諾 · 朱薩尼:
傑拉德,謝謝你。
11:11
I guess you're going to send
that applause to the 350 journalists
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我想你會把這些掌聲
送給和你並肩作戰的
350 名記者,對吧。
11:14
who worked with you, right?
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11:15
Now, a couple of questions
I would like to ask.
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現在,我想問幾個問題:
11:18
The first one is,
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第一個是
11:19
you'd been working
in secrecy for over a year
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你曾經和 350 多個
來自世界各地的同事
11:22
with 350-something colleagues
from all over the world --
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秘密工作超過了一年,
11:25
was there ever a moment when you thought
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有沒有一個時刻你覺得
11:29
that the leak may be leaked,
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巴拿馬文件的報導已經被洩漏了,
11:31
that the collaboration may just be broken
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合作關係已經破壞了,
11:33
by somebody publishing a story?
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因為有人擅自發佈了新聞,
11:35
Or somebody not in the group
releasing some information
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或者有不在組織內的某個人
泄露了消息
11:38
that they got to know?
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因為他們早就知道了?
11:40
Gerard Ryle: We had a series
of crises along the way,
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傑拉德 · 賴爾:我們一路以來
都有一系列的危機,
11:42
including when something major
was happening in the world,
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包括世界上某些重大事件發生時,
11:45
the journalists from that country
wanted to publish right away.
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這些國家的記者
都想要立刻披露新聞,
11:48
We had to calm them down.
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但我們必須讓他們冷靜下來。
11:49
Probably the biggest crisis we had
was a week before publication.
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也許我們最重大的危機
是在發佈前的一週,
11:53
We'd sent a series of questions
to the associates of Vladimir Putin,
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我們給普京的聯繫人
發出了一系列的質問,
11:57
but instead of responding,
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他們沒有回覆,
11:58
the Kremlin actually held
a press conference and denounced us,
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克林姆林宮反而召開了
新聞發佈會並譴責我們,
12:01
and denounced the whole thing
as being, I guess, a plot from the West.
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譴責整個事件是西方的陰謀。
12:05
At that point, Putin thought
it was just about him.
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當時普京以為這只是針對他的。
12:08
And, of course, a lot of editors
around the world
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當然了,全世界的編輯
12:10
were very nervous about this.
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都十分緊張,
12:12
They thought the story
was going to get out.
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他們以為這個新聞就要被搶先公佈了。
12:14
You can imagine the amount
of time they'd spent,
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你可以想想他們為此花費的時間、
12:16
the amount of resources,
money spent on this.
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精力和金錢。
12:18
So I had to basically spend
the last week calming everyone down,
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所以我在最後一週
必須讓每個人冷靜下來。
12:21
a bit like a general,
where you're holding your troops back:
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這有點像將軍在帶兵作戰,
當你要全力攻擊時,
12:24
"Calm, remain calm."
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你會向軍隊說 ,「冷靜,保持冷靜 」
12:26
And then eventually,
of course, they all did.
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當然,最後大家都做到了。
12:29
BG: And then a couple weeks ago or so,
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布魯諾 · 朱薩尼:幾個星期前,
12:31
you released a lot of the documents
as an open database
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你把很多文件發表在公開數據庫,
12:35
for everybody to search
via keyword, essentially.
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所以任何人都可以
通過關鍵詞進行查找。
12:39
GR: We very much believe
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傑拉德 · 賴爾:我們深信
12:40
that the basic information
about the offshore world
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這些離岸世界的基本信息
12:42
should be made public.
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都應該公諸於世。
12:43
Now, we didn't publish
the underlying documents
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現在,我們並不是公佈那些
12:46
of the journalists we're working with.
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與我們合作的記者找出的深層信息,
12:48
But the basic information
such as the name of a person,
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而只是公佈基本信息,比如人名、
12:51
what their offshore company was
and the name of that company,
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他們的海外公司在做什麼
和公司名字,
12:54
is now all available online.
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這些都應該能在網上找到。
12:55
In fact, the biggest resource
of its kind basically is out there now
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事實上,這些大型資源
現在都公佈在網路上。
13:00
BG: Gerard, thank you for the work you do.
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布魯諾 · 朱薩尼:傑拉德,
謝謝你所有的努力。
13:02
GR: Thank you.
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傑拉德 · 賴爾:謝謝。
13:03
(Applause)
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(掌聲)
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