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譯者: Yesbydefault 倪文娟
審譯者: Jenny Yang
00:25
I'd like to do pretty much
what I did the first time,
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我想和第一次一樣
00:28
which is to choose a lighthearted theme.
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挑個輕鬆的話題
00:31
Last time, I talked about death and dying.
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上次我談論生與死
00:33
(Laughter)
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00:34
This time, I'm going to talk
about mental illness.
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這次要談談精神疾病
00:37
(Laughter)
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00:38
But it has to be technological,
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為著重技術面
00:40
so I'll talk about electroshock therapy.
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我選擇談電擊療法 (笑聲)
00:42
(Laughter)
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00:45
You know, ever since man had any notion
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各位知道,自從人類最早發現
00:48
that some of his other people,
his colleagues,
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身邊有些人,同僚等等
00:52
could be different, could be strange,
could be severely depressed
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可能和自己不同、行徑怪異,或嚴重憂鬱
00:56
or what we now recognize as schizophrenia,
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或是現在所謂的精神分裂症
01:00
he was certain that this kind of illness
had to come from evil spirits
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就斷定這種疾病
一定是惡魔邪靈附身
01:05
getting into the body.
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01:06
So the way of treating
these diseases in early times
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若要加以醫治
在早期,是使用各種方法
01:09
was to, in some way or other,
exorcise those evil spirits.
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驅邪除魔,至今仍是如此,誠如各位所知
01:12
And this is still going on, as you know.
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01:16
But it wasn't enough to use the priests.
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但是祭司的療癒力量有限
01:18
When medicine became
somewhat scientific, in about 450 BC,
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西元450年左右,醫學發展成為科學
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with Hippocrates and those boys,
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醫學之父希波克拉底和他的學生
01:25
they tried to look for herbs, plants
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開始研究各種藥草、植物
01:28
that would literally shake
the bad spirits out.
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找出能有效將邪魔驅除於人體之外的藥方
01:32
So they found certain plants
that could cause convulsions.
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他們發現某些植物會導致人體抽搐
01:35
And the herbals,
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各種《草藥集》,涵蓋截至中世紀晚期
01:37
the botanical books of up to the late
Middle Ages, the Renaissance,
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即文藝復興時期的植物書籍
01:42
are filled with prescriptions
for causing convulsions
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記載許多誘發抽搐,來驅除邪靈的處方
01:46
to shake the evil spirits out.
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01:50
Finally, in about the 16th century,
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最後,到了大約16世紀
01:54
a physician whose name was Theophrastus
Bombastus Aureolus von Hohenheim --
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一位名為霍因罕(Theophrastus Bombast von Hohenheim) 的醫生
02:00
called Paracelsus, a name probably
familiar to some people here --
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又名帕拉切爾蘇斯(Paracelsus) ,在座可能有人知道
02:04
(Laughter)
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(笑聲) 老頑固帕拉切爾蘇斯
02:07
good old Paracelsus --
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02:09
found that he could predict
the degree of convulsion
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發現他能預測抽搐程度
02:13
by using a measured amount of camphor
to produce the convulsion.
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他利用定量的樟腦,誘發人體抽搐
02:17
Can you imagine going to your closet,
pulling out a mothball
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你能想像,打開衣櫃,取出一顆樟腦丸
02:20
and chewing on it
if you're feeling depressed?
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嚼食它,來緩解你的憂鬱嗎?
02:22
It's better than Prozac,
but I wouldn't recommend it.
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效果比百憂解好,不過我可不建議這麼做
02:25
(Laughter)
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02:26
So, what we see in the 17th, 18th century
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發展到17、18世紀
02:29
is the continued search for medications
other than camphor that'll do the trick.
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人類繼續尋找樟腦以外的療方
02:34
Well, along comes Benjamin Franklin,
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這時出現了班傑明‧富蘭克林
02:36
and he comes close to convulsing himself
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他幾乎導致自己的身體抽搐
02:38
with a bolt of electricity
off the end of his kite.
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當時是透過風箏傳導下來的雷電電流
02:42
And so people begin thinking in terms
of electricity to produce convulsions.
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所以人們開始思考如何用電流引發抽搐
02:47
And then we fast-forward to about 1932,
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到了1932年左右
02:51
when three Italian psychiatrists
who were largely treating depression
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有三位主治憂鬱症的義大利醫生
02:57
began to notice among their patients,
who were also epileptics,
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觀察同時患有憂鬱症和癲癇症的病人
發現這些病人癲癇症發作之後
03:01
that if they had a series of epileptic
fits, a lot of them in a row --
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連續發作多次後,憂鬱症會相對減輕
03:05
the depression would very frequently lift.
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03:07
Not only would it lift,
but it might never return.
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不但減輕,有時甚至完全根治
03:11
So they got very interested
in producing convulsions,
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所以他們很熱中研究如何誘發抽搐
03:16
measured types of convulsions.
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控制抽搐的程度
03:18
And they thought,
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他們想:「我們有電源,何不把身體通電試試看?」
03:19
"Well, we've got electricity,
we'll plug somebody into the wall.
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「身體觸電會毛髮直豎、渾身顫抖」
03:22
That always makes hair stand up
and people shake a lot."
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03:24
So they tried it on a few pigs,
and none of the pigs were killed.
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他們用豬做電擊實驗,所有的豬都活了下來
03:28
So they went to the police and they said,
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他們就跑去跟警察說
03:30
"We know that at the Rome
railroad station,
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「我們知道在羅馬火車站,」
03:32
there are all these lost
souls wandering around,
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「有許多徘徊的流浪漢,」
03:35
muttering gibberish.
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「成天瘋言瘋語, 可不可以帶一個來參加我們的實驗?」
03:36
Can you bring one of them to us?"
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03:39
Someone who is,
as the Italians say, "gagootz."
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就是義大利人所謂的腦袋秀逗
03:42
So they found this "gagootz" guy,
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於是他們找到一個腦袋秀逗的男子
03:44
a 39-year-old man who was really
hopelessly schizophrenic,
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一個嚴重精神分裂的39歲男子
03:47
who was known, had been known for months,
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大家都知道他已經好幾個月
03:50
to be literally defecating on himself,
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經常在自己身上大小便
03:53
talking nothing that made any sense,
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整天胡言亂語
03:56
and they brought him into the hospital.
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於是他被帶到醫院
03:58
So these three psychiatrists,
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交給這三名醫生,經過兩三週的觀察
04:00
after about two or three weeks
of observation,
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04:02
laid him down on a table,
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醫師讓他平躺在病床上
04:04
connected his temples
to a very small source of current.
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將兩邊太陽穴連接微量電流
04:09
They thought, "Well, we'll try
55 volts, two-tenths of a second.
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他們想:「先試55伏特、1/5秒,」
04:13
That's not going to do
anything terrible to him."
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「應該不會造成傷害。」
04:15
So they did that.
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於是他們就這麼做
04:17
Well, I have the following
from a firsthand observer,
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以下是第一線觀察員告訴我的
04:21
who told me this about 35 years ago,
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他告訴我的時候大約是35年前
04:24
when I was thinking about these things
for some research project of mine.
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當時我正在思索這些電擊實驗
做為我研究計畫的參考
04:29
He said, "This fellow" -- remember,
he wasn't even put to sleep --
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觀察員說:「這個流浪漢,」(記得嗎?他當時是清醒的)
04:33
"after this major grand mal convulsion,
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「這次大發作抽筋完後,」
04:35
sat right up,
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「站起身來,瞪著三位醫生,大罵:
04:37
looked at these three fellas and said,
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『你們這些混帳,在我身上亂搞什麼?』
04:39
'What the fuck are you assholes
trying to do?'"
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04:42
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
04:50
If I could only say that in Italian.
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可惜我不會用義大利文講給各位聽
04:52
(Laughter)
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04:53
Well, they were happy as could be,
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醫生們非常開心,因為這個流浪漢
04:55
because he hadn't said a rational word
in the weeks of observation.
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在觀察期一句合邏輯的話也沒說過
05:00
(Laughter)
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於是他們再度把他的身體通電
05:02
So they plugged him in again,
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05:05
and this time, they used
110 volts for half a second.
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這次通110伏特,持續半秒鐘
他們高興地發現,電擊以後
05:10
And to their amazement, after it was over,
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05:12
he began speaking
like he was perfectly well.
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流浪漢居然開始正常說話
05:15
He relapsed a little bit,
they gave him a series of treatments,
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偶爾復發,醫生就給他一連串的治療
05:18
and he was essentially cured.
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結果他被治好了
05:19
But of course, having schizophrenia,
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當然,因為他患的是精神分裂症
05:22
within a few months, it returned.
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幾個月後,他又再度患病了
05:24
But they wrote a paper about this,
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但是醫生們做出一篇研究報告
05:26
and everybody in the western world
began using electricity
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西方醫學界便開始利用電擊
05:31
to convulse people
who were either schizophrenic
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誘發精神分裂症或重度憂鬱症患者的身體抽搐
05:33
or severely depressed.
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05:34
It didn't work very well
on the schizophrenics,
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療效對精神分裂症患者並不理想
05:37
but it was pretty clear in the '30s
and by the middle of the '40s
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但30年代至40年代中,很明顯地
05:40
that electroconvulsive therapy
was very, very effective
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電擊療法對憂鬱症的療效
05:46
in the treatment of depression.
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非常顯著
05:47
And of course, in those days,
there were no antidepressant drugs,
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而且當時還沒有發明抗憂鬱藥
05:51
and it became very, very popular.
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所以當時很流行
05:54
They would anesthetize people,
convulse them ...
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將病人麻醉
施予電擊,但是真正的困難是
05:57
But the real difficulty was
that there was no way to paralyze muscles.
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因為當時無法抑制肌肉的抽搐
06:01
So people would have
a real grand mal seizure.
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因此電擊會導致病人真的癲癇大發作
06:04
Bones were broken; especially in old,
fragile people, you couldn't use it.
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骨頭斷裂,尤其是老弱的病人
並不適用電擊療法
06:09
And then in the late 1950s,
the so-called "muscle relaxants"
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1950年代末期,出現所謂的肌肉鬆弛劑
06:14
were developed by pharmacologists,
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由藥理學家發明的
06:16
and it got so that you could
induce a complete convulsion,
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便可施予完整的電擊治療
06:19
an electroencephalographic convulsion --
you could see it on the brain waves --
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即腦電圖(electroencephalographic)癲癇,會顯現在腦波中
06:23
without causing any convulsion in the body
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但是身體不會痙攣,只有腳趾會稍微抽動
06:25
except a little bit
of twitching of the toes.
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06:28
So again, it was very, very
popular and very, very useful.
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所以電擊療法變得非常普遍、有效
06:33
Well, you know, in the middle '60s,
the first antidepressants came out.
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各位知道,到了60年代中期
首度發明抗憂鬱劑,當時最早是妥富腦 (Tofranil)
06:38
Tofranil was the first.
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06:40
In the late '70s, early '80s,
there were others,
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70、80年代出現其他抗憂鬱藥物
06:43
and they were very effective.
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效果都很好
06:45
And patients' rights groups
seemed to get very upset
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加上當時病患權益團體非常不滿
06:48
about the kinds of things
that they would witness,
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抗議他們所目睹的一些電擊治療情形
06:51
so the whole idea of electroconvulsive,
electroshock therapy disappeared,
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因此醫界停用電擊療法
06:57
but has had a renaissance
in the last 10 years.
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直到近10年才又恢復使用
07:01
And the reason
that it has had a renaissance
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原因是
07:03
is that probably about 10 percent
of the people, severe depressives,
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大約有1/10的病患,重度憂鬱患者
07:09
do not respond, regardless
of what is done for them.
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對什麼治療都沒有反應
07:14
Now why am I telling you
this story at this meeting?
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我為什麼要在此分享這個故事呢?
07:19
I'm telling you this story
because, actually,
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我告訴大家這個故事,其實是因為
07:21
ever since Richard called me
and asked me to talk about --
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理查打電話給我,邀我來演講
07:24
as he asked all of his speakers --
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他對所有講者的一貫要求
07:26
to talk about something
that would be new to this audience
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是希望我能帶給聽眾新思維
07:29
that we had never talked about,
never written about.
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談論史無前例的議題
07:32
I've been planning this moment.
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我一直期待準備這一刻
07:34
This reason really is that I am a man who,
almost 30 years ago,
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因為30年前左右
我的命是兩段電擊療程救回來的
07:41
had his life saved by two long courses
of electroshock therapy.
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07:48
And let me tell you this story.
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所以我想分享這個故事
07:52
I was, in the 1960s, in a marriage.
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在1960年代,我身陷糟糕的婚姻
07:56
To use the word "bad" would be perhaps
the understatement of the year.
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「糟糕」根本不足以形容
08:00
It was dreadful.
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簡直是一場磨難
08:03
There are, I'm sure,
enough divorced people in this room
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我相信在座也有些離婚人士
08:06
to know about the hostility,
the anger, who knows what.
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知道那種敵意、憤怒,無盡的折磨
08:12
Being someone who had had
a very difficult childhood,
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我有個不堪的童年
08:17
a very difficult adolescence --
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青少年時期也不好過
08:18
it had to do with
not quite poverty, but close.
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雖不貧賤,亦不遠矣
08:22
It had to do with being brought up
in a family where no one spoke English,
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我們全家沒有人會說英語
08:25
no one could read or write English.
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也不會讀寫英文
08:27
It had to do with death and disease
and lots of other things.
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又遭逢親人病、死,和其他的苦難
08:31
I was a little prone to depression.
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我經常憂鬱
08:33
So, as things got worse,
as we really began to hate each other,
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所以當情況越來越糟,我們開始彼此憎恨
08:37
I became progressively depressed
over a period of a couple of years
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有幾年我的憂鬱症變得日益嚴重
08:41
trying to save this marriage,
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試圖挽救破裂的婚姻
08:43
which was inevitably not to be saved.
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但終究是回天乏術
08:47
Finally, I would schedule --
all my major surgical cases,
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後來,我所有的病患手術,都得安排在
08:52
I was scheduling them for 12,
one o'clock in the afternoon,
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中午12點或下午1點才開始
08:57
because I couldn't get out of bed
before about 11 o'clock.
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因為我根本沒辦法在11點以前下床
09:01
Anybody who's been depressed here
knows what that's like.
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在座有得過憂鬱症的人才會了解那種情形
我連掀開棉被的力氣都沒有
09:05
I couldn't even pull
the covers off myself.
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09:07
Well, you're in a university
medical center,
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當時我是在大學附設醫院
09:10
where everybody knows everybody.
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大家都很熟,同事們很清楚我的情況
09:11
And it's perfectly clear to my colleagues,
so my referrals began to decrease.
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所以我的轉介病患越來越少
09:15
As my referrals began to decrease,
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當我的手術病患數量銳減
09:17
I clearly became increasingly depressed,
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更加劇了我的憂鬱症
09:21
until I thought, "My God,
I can't work anymore."
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直到我發覺,天哪,我沒辦法工作了
09:24
And, in fact, it didn't
make any difference,
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事實上也沒什麼差別
09:26
because I didn't have
any patients anymore.
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因為當時我已經沒有任何病患了
09:28
So, with the advice of my physician,
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所以,我接受我的醫師建議
09:32
I had myself admitted
to the acute care psychiatric unit
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住進了我們大學醫院的精神科急性監護病房
09:35
of our university hospital.
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09:37
And my colleagues, who had known me
since medical school,
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當時,從醫學院唸書就認識我的同事們
09:40
in that place, said, "Don't worry, Shep.
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給我打氣說:「放心,只要短短六週,」
09:42
Six weeks, you're back
in the operating room.
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「你就可以回手術室操刀了,一切都會很順利」
09:44
Everything's going to be great."
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09:46
Well, you know what bovine stercus is?
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你知道英文的「bovine stercus (牛糞)」是什麼意思嗎?
09:49
That proved to be a lot of bovine stercus.
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那些安慰話根本是牛糞,一派胡言
09:53
(Laughter)
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09:56
I know some people who got tenure
in that place with lies like that.
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那裡有些終身職教授都會扯這種謊言
10:01
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
10:04
(Laughter and applause)
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10:06
So I was one of their failures.
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我是他們謊言的活證
10:10
But it wasn't that simple,
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狀況根本沒那麼單純,因為後來
10:11
because by the time
I got out of that unit,
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我出院時,完全沒有行為能力
10:14
I was not functional at all.
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10:16
I could hardly see five feet
in front of myself.
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連眼前一公尺半以外都看不到
10:19
I shuffled when I walked.
I was bowed over.
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走路步履蹣跚,彎腰駝背
10:22
I rarely bathed.
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很少洗澡,不刮鬍子,邋遢不堪
10:24
I sometimes didn't shave.
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10:25
It was dreadful.
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10:27
And it was clear -- not to me,
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我的狀況很明顯--只是我自己不知道
10:30
because nothing was clear
to me at that time anymore --
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當時我什麼也不知道--
10:33
that I would need
long-term hospitalization
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我很顯然需要長期住院
10:37
in that awful place
called a "mental hospital."
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住進精神療養院這個糟糕的地方
10:41
So I was admitted, in the spring of 1973,
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所以1973年春,我住進了精神療養院
10:47
to the Institute of Living, which used
to be called the Hartford Retreat.
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住進安生機構(Institute of Living),本來是哈特福特安養院
10:50
It was founded in the 18th century,
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該院成立於18世紀
10:52
the largest psychiatric hospital
in the state of Connecticut,
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是康乃狄克州最大的精神病院
10:56
other than the huge public hospitals
that existed at that time.
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僅次於大型公立醫院
在當時來說
11:01
And they tried everything they had.
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住進療養院以後,醫師們試過所有的療法
11:02
They tried the usual psychotherapy.
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他們試過一般的心理治療
11:04
They tried every medication
available in those days.
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開過當時所有的憂鬱症藥物
11:06
And they did have Tofranil and other
things -- Mellaril, who knows what.
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包括妥富腦、美力廉(Mellaril) ,還有其他各式各樣的藥
11:10
Nothing happened except that I got
jaundiced from one of these things.
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除了害我得黃疸病,病情一點也沒好轉
11:15
And finally,
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最後,因為我在康州的名氣
11:17
because I was well-known in Connecticut,
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11:21
they decided they better have
a meeting of the senior staff.
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他們為我召開資深醫師會診
11:24
All the senior staff got together,
and I later found out what happened.
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召集所有資深醫護人員,我後來才知道內情
11:30
They put all their heads together,
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他們集思廣益的結論是
11:33
and they decided that there was nothing
that could be done
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我已經無藥可醫
11:36
for this surgeon who had essentially
separated himself from the world,
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他們認為我已經完全自我封閉
11:41
who by that time had become
so overwhelmed,
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被完全擊垮
11:45
not just with depression and feelings
of worthlessness and inadequacy,
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不只是憂鬱及感覺
毫無自我價值和無能
11:50
but with obsessional thinking,
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還有強迫性思考
11:52
obsessional thinking about coincidences.
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滿腦子不停地想著各種巧合
11:55
And there were particular numbers
that every time I saw them,
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每次看到某些特定數字
11:58
just got me dreadfully upset,
all kinds of ritualistic observances ...
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我都會非常苦惱。還有各種怪癖
12:04
just awful, awful stuff.
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簡直糟糕透了
12:06
Remember when you were a kid,
and you had to step on every line?
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記得小時候走路,地上每條線你都想踩嗎?
12:09
Well, I was a grown man
who had all of these rituals,
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我當時已經是成人了,還是有很多怪癖
12:13
and it got so there was a throbbing,
there was a ferocious fear in my head.
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整個腦子被強烈的恐懼感攫獲
12:17
You've seen this painting
by Edvard Munch, "The Scream."
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大家看過孟克的畫作《吶喊》吧?
這「吶喊」的意象無時不刻在我腦子裡轟轟作響
12:21
Every moment was a scream;
it was impossible.
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12:24
So they decided there was no therapy,
there was no treatment.
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我病入膏肓,醫師們束手無策
12:27
But there was one treatment,
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百藥難醫,只剩一個辦法
12:29
which actually had been pioneered
at the Hartford Hospital
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1940年代早期這家醫院率先採用這種療法
12:33
in the early 1940s,
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12:35
and you can imagine what it was:
it was prefrontal lobotomy.
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大家猜得到,就是腦前額葉切除術
12:40
(Imitates a popping sound)
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12:42
So they decided -- I didn't know this,
again, I found this out later --
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所以他們決定
後來我才知道
12:46
that the only thing that could be done
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唯一的希望
12:48
was for this 43-year-old man
to have a prefrontal lobotomy.
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就是給這個43歲的老男人
做腦前額葉切除術
12:54
Well, as in all hospitals,
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就像所有醫院的做法
12:56
there was a resident assigned to my case.
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他們指派一位住院醫師給我,年方27
12:59
He was 27 years old,
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13:00
and he would meet with me
two or three times a week.
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我每週給他看診2、3次
13:03
And of course, I had been there, what,
three or four months at the time.
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當時我已經在那裡住院3、4個月了
13:07
He asked to meet with the senior staff,
and they agreed to meet with him,
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他也跟資深醫護人員會診
13:10
because he was very well
thought of in that place.
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大家都公認他是個好醫生
認為他前途無量
13:13
They thought he had
a really extraordinary future.
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13:16
And he dug in his heels and said,
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他很堅持的說:
13:17
"No. I know this man
better than any of you.
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「不行。我比各位更清楚他的病情,我們經常相處。」
13:19
I have met with him over and over again.
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13:21
You've just seen him from time to time.
You've read reports and so forth.
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「各位只是偶爾探視他,看醫療報告。」
13:25
I really honestly believe that the basic
problem here is pure depression,
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「我堅信他的問題是單純憂鬱症,」
13:29
and all of the obsessional
thinking comes out of it.
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「及伴隨的強迫性思考。」
13:33
And you know, of course, what'll happen
if you do a prefrontal lobotomy.
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「各位也知道進行前額葉切除術的後果,」
13:36
Any of the results along the spectrum,
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「什麼都有可能發生,」
13:39
from pretty bad to terrible, terrible,
terrible, is going to happen.
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「從不佳到不堪設想都有可能,」
「如果手術很成功,康復狀況良好,」
13:43
If he does the best he can,
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13:46
he will have no further obsessions,
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「他將不再有強迫性思考,」
13:48
probably no depression,
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「憂鬱症也可能治好,但是他的情感會變遲鈍。」
13:49
but his affect will be dulled,
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13:51
he will never go back to surgery,
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「他可能再也無法當外科醫生,」
13:53
he will never be the loving father
that he was to his two children,
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「或是兩個孩子的慈父。」
13:57
his life will be changed.
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「他的人生將從此改變。如果是常見的手術結果,」
13:58
If he has the usual result,
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14:00
he'll end up like 'One Flew
Over the Cuckoo's Nest.'
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「他會像《飛越杜鵑窩》 一樣,」
14:03
And you know about that, just essentially
in a stupor the rest of his life."
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「終生癡呆恍惚。」
14:08
"Well," he said, "can't we try
a course of electroshock therapy?"
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「難道我們不能試一個電擊療程嗎?」
14:13
And you know why they agreed?
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14:14
They agreed to humor him.
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他們不想和他爭執,所以才同意
14:16
They just thought,
"Well, we'll give a course of 10.
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他們想:「就試個10次吧。」
14:21
So we'll lose a little time. Big deal.
It doesn't make any difference."
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「只是浪費一點時間,反正也沒差。」
14:25
So they gave the course of 10,
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所以他們就給我10次電療
14:26
and the first -- the usual course,
incidentally, was six to eight,
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第一個療程通常做6到8次
14:30
and still is six to eight --
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現在還是
14:32
plugged me into the wires, put me
to sleep, gave me the muscle relaxant.
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於是他們幫我貼導電片、麻醉、鬆弛肌肉
14:36
Six didn't work. Seven didn't work.
Eight didn't work.
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6次不見效果,7次也沒有效
8次還是無效。到了第9次,我感覺到
14:39
At nine, I noticed --
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(能自己感覺到真好)
14:42
it's wonderful that I could
notice anything --
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14:44
I noticed a change.
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我開始感覺到變化。第10次,我才感到真正的不同
14:45
And at 10, I noticed a real change.
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14:48
And he went back to them,
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於是我的醫生又向他們要求再做一套10次療程
14:49
and they agreed to do another 10.
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14:50
Again, not a single one of them --
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這群醫生中還是沒有人相信
14:52
I think there are about
seven or eight of them --
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他們大概有7、8位
14:55
thought this would do any good.
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都不相信電療,認為只會暫時改善
14:56
They thought this was a temporary change.
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結果跌破大家眼鏡,做完第16、17次
14:58
But, lo and behold, by 16, by 17,
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15:01
there were demonstrable
differences in the way I felt.
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我的感覺已經有明顯的差異
15:05
By 18 and 19, I was sleeping
through the night.
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做完第18、19次,我已經可以安睡到天亮了
15:08
And by 20, I had the sense,
I really had the sense,
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第20次做完,我真的感覺
自己可以戰勝憂鬱症
15:13
that I could overcome this,
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15:14
that I was now strong enough
that by an act of will,
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我已經變得很堅強,可以靠意志力
15:18
I could blow the obsessional
thinking away.
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掃除強迫性思考
15:20
I could blow the depression away.
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告別憂鬱
15:23
And I've never forgotten --
I never will forget --
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我永遠也忘不了
15:25
standing in the kitchen of the unit --
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站在療養院的廚房
15:29
it was a Sunday morning
in January of 1974 --
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1974年1月的星期天早晨
15:33
standing in the kitchen
by myself and thinking,
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獨自站在那裡,心想:「我現在有康復的力量了。」
15:35
"I've got the strength now to do this."
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15:38
It was as though those tightly coiled
wires in my head had been disconnected,
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彷彿我腦中那些固著的電路被拆除了
15:44
and I could think clearly.
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我可以清晰地思考
15:46
But I need a formula.
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但是我需要一個方法,一句提醒自己的話
15:48
I need some thing to say to myself
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15:51
when I begin thinking
obsessionally, obsessively.
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以防我再陷入強迫性思考
15:55
Well, the Gilbert and Sullivan
fans in this room
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在座的蘇利文與吉柏特迷
16:00
will remember "Ruddigore,"
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會記得歌劇《Ruddigore》 和瘋狂瑪格麗特
16:02
and they will remember Mad Margaret,
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16:03
and they will remember
that she was married
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會記得她是嫁給
16:05
to a fella named Sir Despard Murgatroyd.
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德斯帕德爵士
16:08
And she used to go nuts
every five minutes or so in the play.
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劇中瑪格麗特每5分鐘就會發狂
16:12
And he said to her, "We must have a word
to bring you back to reality,
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丈夫對她說:「我們得想個密語,把妳拉回現實。」
16:16
and the word, my dear,
will be 'Basingstoke.'"
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那個字就是「貝辛斯托克」
16:20
So every time she got a little nuts,
he would say, "Basingstoke!"
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所以每次她一開始發瘋
他就會喊:「貝辛斯托克!」
16:23
And she would say, "Basingstoke, it is!"
And she'd be fine for a little while.
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她就回答:「就貝辛斯托克吧!」然後恢復正常
16:27
(Laughter)
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16:28
Well, you know, I'm from the Bronx.
I can't say "Basingstoke."
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我來自布隆克斯,不能說「貝辛斯托克」
16:31
(Laughter)
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16:32
But I had something better.
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所以想出更簡單的密語
16:34
And it was very simple.
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16:36
It was, "Ah, fuck it!"
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就是「哎,去他的!」
16:39
(Laughter)
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(笑聲) 比「貝辛斯托克」好多了
16:41
Much better than "Basingstoke,"
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16:43
at least for me.
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至少對我來說,而且真的管用
16:45
And it worked! My God, it worked.
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16:48
Every time I would begin
thinking obsessionally --
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只要我又開始強迫性思考
16:50
again, once more,
after 20 shock treatments --
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歷經20次電療之後
我就會自己喊:「哎,去他的!」
16:55
I would say, "Ah, fuck it."
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16:58
And things got better and better,
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我的狀況越來越好
17:00
and within three or four months,
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3、4個月以後
17:03
I was discharged from that hospital.
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我出院,加入一個外科醫師團體
17:04
I joined a group of surgeons,
where I could work with other people,
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我可以和他人共事
17:09
in a community, not in New Haven,
but fairly close by.
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在康州紐哈芬市附近的一個社區
17:13
I stayed there for three years.
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我在那裡待了三年
17:15
At the end of three years,
I went back to New Haven,
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之後,我回到紐哈芬市
17:19
had remarried by that time.
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當時我已經再婚
17:23
I brought my wife with me, actually,
to make sure I could get through this.
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所以帶太太一起去,幫助我繼續康復
17:29
My children
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我的孩子也搬來同住
17:32
came back
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17:34
to live with us.
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17:35
We had two more children after that.
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之後我們又生了兩個小孩
17:37
Resuscitated the career,
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我又回到工作崗位,表現比以前更好
17:40
even better than it had been before.
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17:43
Went right back into the university
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我馬上回到大學任教
17:47
and began to write books.
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並且開始寫書
17:50
Well, you know,
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到現在生活一直都過得很好
17:51
it's been a wonderful life.
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17:53
It's been, as I said, close to 30 years.
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如我先前說過,至今已經30年了
17:57
I stopped doing surgery
about six years ago
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我大約6年前停止為病患手術
18:00
and became a full-time writer,
as many people know.
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許多人知道,我從此開始全職寫作
18:04
But it's been very exciting.
It's been very happy.
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我覺得非常興奮快樂
18:06
Every once in a while,
I have to say, "Ah, fuck it."
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偶爾,我還是得提醒自己:「哎,去他的!」
18:09
Every once in a while, I get somewhat
depressed and a little obsessional.
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偶爾,還是會憂鬱和強迫性思考
並沒有完全根治,但是電療確實有效
18:13
So, I'm not free of all of this.
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18:17
But it's worked. It's always worked.
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18:21
Why have I chosen,
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為什麼避談這個話題這麼多年以後,我現在選擇談論它?
18:25
after never, ever talking about this,
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18:29
to talk about it now?
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18:30
Well, those of you who know
some of these books
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在座如果有我的讀者
18:33
know that one is about death and dying,
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應該知道我寫過一本探討生死的書
18:36
one is about the human body
and the human spirit,
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一本探討人的身體和心靈
18:38
one is about the way mystical thoughts
are constantly in our minds.
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一本則是探討我們腦中不斷浮現的神秘思緒
18:43
And they have always to do
with my own personal experiences.
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都是由我個人的親身經歷而來的心得
18:48
One might think reading these books --
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有些讀者可能會認為
18:51
and I've gotten thousands
of letters about them
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從我成千上萬封讀者來信
18:53
by people who do think this --
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讀者認為
18:56
that, based on my life's history
as I portray it in the books,
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從我在書中分享的個人生命史看來
18:59
my early life's history,
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我是個從苦難中熬出頭的人
19:01
I am someone who has overcome adversity,
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19:04
that I am someone who has
drunk -- drank? -- drunk
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我曾歷經艱辛
19:09
of the bitter dregs
of near-disaster in childhood
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童年嚐盡不幸的苦楚
19:16
and emerged not just
unscathed but strengthened.
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逆境沒有打倒我,反倒使我更堅強
19:21
I really have it figured out
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我已真正開悟,可以跟大家分享
19:22
so that I can advise people
about death and dying,
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如何面對生死,也可以談論神秘與心靈
19:25
so that I can talk about mysticism
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19:27
and the human spirit.
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19:28
And I've always felt guilty about that.
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以往我一直覺得心虛
19:31
I've always felt that somehow
I was an impostor,
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覺得自己像個騙子
19:34
because my readers don't know
what I have just told you.
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因為讀者並不知道我今天說的故事
19:39
It's known by some people
in New Haven, obviously,
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當然,紐哈芬市有些人知道
19:41
but it is not generally known.
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但是一般大眾並不知道
19:44
So one of the reasons that I have
come here to talk about this today
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所以今天我分享這故事的原因之一
其實是自私的
19:50
is to -- frankly, selfishly --
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19:53
unburden myself and let it be known
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想解除心理的負擔,讓大眾知道我的往事
19:57
that this is not an untroubled mind
that has written all of these books.
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知道這些書的作者,也有著困厄的心靈
20:03
But more importantly, I think,
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最重要的是
20:06
is the fact that a very significant
proportion of people in this audience
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在座有許多人
年紀還不滿30
20:09
are under 30,
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20:12
and there are many, of course,
who are well over 30.
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當然也有許多人早就超過30歲
20:17
For people under 30,
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在我看來,現場的年輕人
20:19
and it looks to me like almost
all of you, I would say all of you,
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每一位年輕人
20:22
are either on the cusp
of a magnificent and exciting career
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正值令人興奮的美好生涯尖峰
20:26
or right into a magnificent
and exciting career:
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或是即將邁入美好的生涯
20:31
anything can happen to you.
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任何事都可能發生在你身上,世事無常
20:33
Things change.
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20:34
Accidents happen.
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人有旦夕禍福,童年記憶可能回來糾纏你
20:36
Something from childhood
comes back to haunt you.
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20:39
You can be thrown off the track.
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使你困頓茫然
20:40
I hope it happens to none of you,
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我希望你們不會有這種經歷
20:42
but it will probably happen
to a small percentage of you.
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但是少部分人還是會遇到
20:47
To those to whom it doesn't happen,
there will be adversities.
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即使不遇到這種經歷,也會有其他的人生逆境
20:52
If I, with the bleakness
of spirit -- with no spirit --
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假如連我這個希望渺茫
1970年當時根本全然絕望的靈魂
20:57
that I had in the 1970s,
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21:00
and no possibility of recovery
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不可能康復
21:03
as far as that group of very experienced
psychiatrists thought,
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至少那群資深精神科醫師這麼認為
21:07
if I can find my way back from this,
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如果連我都能熬過黑暗
相信我,任何人都可以找回自我
21:10
believe me, anybody can
find their way back
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21:13
from any adversity
that exists in their lives.
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克服生活中的任何逆境
21:17
And for those who are older,
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21:18
who have lived through
perhaps not something as bad as this,
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年長的聽眾
也許你的故事並沒有這麼艱苦
21:22
but who have lived
through difficult times,
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但也經歷過風風雨雨
21:24
perhaps where they lost
everything, as I did,
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或許曾經失去所有,就像我一樣
21:27
and started out all over again:
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一切重頭來過,這個故事你可能很熟悉
21:29
some of these things
will seem very familiar.
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21:34
There is recovery.
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你絕對可以康復
21:39
There is redemption.
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得到救贖、重獲新生
21:42
And there is resurrection.
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21:46
There are resurrection themes
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每個社會都有重獲新生的故事
21:48
in every society
that has ever been studied,
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21:51
and it is because
not just only do we fantasize
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這是因為我們不僅是幻想
21:54
about the possibility
of resurrection and recovery,
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重生與康復的可能性
21:57
but it actually happens.
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確實會發生,而且多有所聞
21:59
And it happens a lot.
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22:01
Perhaps the most popular
resurrection theme,
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或許最常聽到的重生故事
22:05
outside of specifically religious ones,
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除了宗教事蹟以外
22:08
is the one about the phoenix,
the ancient story of the phoenix,
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就是有關鳳凰的古老神話
22:12
who, every 500 years,
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每500年,牠會從自己的灰燼中浴火重生
22:15
resurrects itself from its own ashes
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22:18
to go on to live a life
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展開全新的生命
22:21
that is even more beautiful
than it was before.
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更加美好的新生命
22:25
Richard, thanks very much.
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理查,非常謝謝你
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