Why I train grandmothers to treat depression | Dixon Chibanda

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Translator: Suet-Ying,Julie Leung
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On a warm August morning in Harare,
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喺八月嘅一個上晝 喺津巴布韋首都哈拉雷
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Farai,
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有個叫法拉嘅女人
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a 24-year-old mother of two,
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佢廿四歲,有兩個仔女
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walks towards a park bench.
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行去公園嘅一張長櫈度
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She looks miserable and dejected.
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佢望落去好鬱悶、好沮喪
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Now, on the park bench sits an 82-year-old woman,
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嗰張公園長凳已經 有個八十二歲嘅婆婆坐喺度
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better known to the community as Grandmother Jack.
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人人都叫佢做 Jack 婆婆
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Farai hands Grandmother Jack an envelope from the clinic nurse.
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法拉遞畀 Jack 婆婆 一封診所護士畀佢嘅介紹信
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Grandmother Jack invites Farai to sit down
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Jack 婆婆請佢坐低
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as she opens the envelope and reads.
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然後打開個信封讀
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There's silence for three minutes or so as she reads.
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婆婆睇信嘅三分鐘裡邊,冇人講嘢
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And after a long pause, Grandmother Jack takes a deep breath,
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隔咗一陣,Jack婆婆深呼吸
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looks at Farai and says,
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佢望住法拉講:
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"I'm here for you.
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「我係來幫你嘅,
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Would you like to share your story with me?"
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你可唔可以講下你嘅事啊?」
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Farai begins,
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法拉眼濕濕
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her eyes swelling with tears.
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01:19
She says, "Grandmother Jack,
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佢話:「 Jack 婆婆啊,
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I'm HIV-positive.
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我有愛滋病已經四年。
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I've been living with HIV for the past four years.
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01:28
My husband left me a year ago.
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老公一年前走咗佬。
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I have two kids
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我有兩個仔女,
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under the age of five.
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佢哋都未到五歲。
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I'm unemployed.
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我失業,
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I can hardly take care of my children."
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我根本照顧唔嚟我啲仔女。 」
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Tears are now flowing down her face.
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佢淚流滿面
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And in response, Grandmother Jack moves closer,
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見到咁,Jack 婆婆坐埋過去
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puts her hand on Farai,
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輕輕攬住法拉
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and says, "Farai, it's OK to cry.
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話:「法拉,你可以喊㗎。
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You've been through a lot.
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你經歷咗好多事,
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Would you like to share more with me?"
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可唔可以再講多啲畀我聽?」
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And Farai continues.
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法拉繼續講:
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"In the last three weeks,
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「喺過去嘅三個禮拜,
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I have had recurrent thoughts of killing myself,
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我成日喺度諗自殺,
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taking my two children with me.
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仲想帶埋啲仔女走。
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I can't take it anymore.
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我頂唔順喇,
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The clinic nurse sent me to see you."
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所以護士叫我嚟揾你 。」
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There's an exchange between the two, which lasts about 30 minutes.
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佢哋兩個傾咗大概半個鐘
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And finally, Grandmother Jack says,
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最尾,Jack 婆婆話:
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"Farai,
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「法拉,
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it seems to me that you have all the symptoms of kufungisisa."
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睇嚟『Kufungisisa』 嘅病徵你都有曬。」
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The word "kufungisisa" opens up a floodgate of tears.
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聽到呢個字,法拉又即刻喊番
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So, kufungisisa is the local equivalent of depression
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「Kufungisisa」 係當地話「抑鬱症」嘅意思
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in my country.
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It literally means
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直譯就係「諗太多」
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"thinking too much."
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The World Health Organization estimates
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世界衛生組織統計
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that more than 300 million people globally, today, suffer from depression,
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依家全世界有多過三億人有抑鬱症
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or what in my country we call kufungisisa.
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即係我個國家叫嘅 「Kufungisisa」
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And the World Health Organization also tells us
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世界衛生組織又話
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that every 40 seconds,
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全世界每四十秒
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someone somewhere in the world commits suicide
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就有一個人因為
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because they are unhappy,
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抑鬱症,或者「Kufungisisa」
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largely due to depression or kufungisisa.
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而自殺
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And most of these deaths are occurring in low- and middle-income countries.
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呢啲自殺個案 多數出現喺中、低收入國家
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In fact,
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事實上
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the World Health Organization goes as far as to say
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世界衛生組織仲話
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that when you look at the age group between 15 to 29,
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十五到二十九歲嘅年齡層 佢哋主要嘅死因係自殺
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a leading cause of death now is actually suicide.
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03:43
But there are wider events that lead to depression
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但係,導致抑鬱症
甚至自殺嘅原因有好多
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and in some cases, suicide,
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such as abuse,
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例如虐待
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conflict, violence,
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衝突、暴力
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isolation, loneliness --
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隔離、孤獨等等
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the list is endless.
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03:59
But one thing that we do know
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不過,我哋知道
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is that depression can be treated and suicides averted.
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抑鬱症有得醫,自殺可以避免
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But the problem is
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問題係
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we just don't have enough psychiatrists or psychologists in the world
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全世界冇咁多 精神科醫生或者心理學家
來睇所有嘅病人
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to do the job.
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In most low- and middle-income countries, for instance,
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譬如,喺中、低收入國家
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the ratio of psychiatrists to the population
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精神科醫生對人口嘅比例
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is something like one for every one and a half million people,
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大概係一對一百五十萬
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which literally means that 90 percent of the people
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即係話,九成需要心理服務嘅人
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needing mental health services
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will not get it.
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都得唔到幫助
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In my country,
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我哋成個國家
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there are 12 psychiatrists,
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只有十二個精神科醫生
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and I'm one of them,
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而我係其中嘅一個
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for a population of approximately 14 million.
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我哋國家人口有一千四百萬
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Now, let me just put that into context.
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我再畀多啲實際故事
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One evening while I was at home,
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有一晚,我喺屋企
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I get a call from the ER,
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收到 ER 打嚟嘅電話
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or the emergency room,
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ER 即係急症室
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from a city which is some 200 kilometers away
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間急症室喺離我 兩百公里嘅一個城市度
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from where I live.
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And the ER doctor says,
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個主診醫生話:
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"One of your patients,
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「你有個病人,
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someone you treated four months ago,
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你四個月前醫過佢。
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has just taken an overdose,
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佢啱啱用藥過量,
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and they are in the ER department.
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依家入咗急症室。
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Hemodynamically, they seem to be OK,
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佢嘅血液動力正常,
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but they will need neuropsychiatric evaluation."
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不過需要神經心理科嘅檢查。 」
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Now, I obviously can't get into my car in the middle of the night
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當然,我無可能半夜揸車
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and drive 200 kilometers.
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揸兩百公里去嗰度
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So as best as we could,
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所以,我哋唯有
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over the phone with the ER doctor,
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喺電話度
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we come up with an assessment.
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諗出對應嘅辦法
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We ensure that suicidal observations are in place.
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我要確保有人觀察著病人嘅自殺傾向
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We ensure that we start reviewing the antidepressants
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要確保我哋審視返病人 服用抗抑鬱藥嘅劑量
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that this patient has been taking,
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05:34
and we finally conclude
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最後得出嘅結論係
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that as soon as Erica -- that was her name, 26-year-old --
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Erica —— 呢個係病人嘅名,佢廿六歲
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as soon as Erica is ready to be released from the ER,
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喺 Erica 可以出院時
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she should come directly to me with her mother,
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佢同佢媽媽就應該有直接來揾我
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and I will evaluate
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然後我就會對佢做檢查同評估
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and establish what can be done.
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同決定下一步要點做
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And we assumed that that would take about a week.
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我哋估計 Erica 大概一個禮拜之後就會來
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A week passes.
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過咗一個禮拜
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Three weeks pass.
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過咗三個禮拜
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No Erica.
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我都冇見到 Erica
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And one day I get a call from Erica's mother,
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有一日,Erica 媽媽打電話畀我
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and she says,
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佢話:
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"Erica committed suicide three days ago.
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「Erica 三日前自殺咗。
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She hanged herself from the mango tree
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佢喺屋企花園
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in the family garden."
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一樖芒果樹度吊頸。」
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Now, almost like a knee-jerk reaction,
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我本能反應噉忍唔住問:
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I couldn't help but ask,
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06:21
"But why didn't you come to Harare, where I live?
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「噉點解你哋冇嚟哈拉雷揾我?
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We had agreed that as soon as you're released from the ER,
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我哋講好咗,Erica 一出院,
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you will come to me."
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你哋就會嚟揾我 。」
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Her response was brief.
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佢解釋得好簡單:
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"We didn't have the 15 dollars bus fare
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「去哈拉雷嘅車費要十五蚊,
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to come to Harare."
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我哋籌唔到錢。 」
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Now, suicide is not an unusual event
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喺精神科裏面
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in the world of mental health.
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自殺唔算罕見
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But there was something about Erica's death
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但 Erica 嘅死
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that struck me at the core of my very being.
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好震憾我
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That statement from Erica's mother:
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佢媽媽嗰句
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"We didn't have 15 dollars bus fare to come to you,"
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「我哋籌錢唔到 十五蚊嘅車費嚟揾你。」
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made me realize
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令我醒覺
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that it just wasn't going to work,
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等病人嚟揾我
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me expecting people to come to me.
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呢個方法行唔通
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And I got into this state of soul-searching,
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我開始自我反省
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trying to really discover my role
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重新諗
我喺非洲做精神科醫生嘅職責
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as a psychiatrist in Africa.
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07:21
And after considerable consultation and soul-searching,
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經過一番請教同思考
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talking to colleagues, friends and family,
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又同同事、家人、朋友傾過
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it suddenly dawned on me
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我突然醒覺
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that actually, one the most reliable resources we have in Africa
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其實非洲最多嘅資源
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are grandmothers.
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就喺啲婆婆
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Yes, grandmothers.
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無錯,係婆婆
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And I thought,
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我喺度諗
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grandmothers are in every community.
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每個社區都有好多婆婆
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There are hundreds of them.
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有成幾百個
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And --
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仲有
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(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
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And they don't leave their communities in search of greener pastures.
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佢哋唔會離職, 唔會換工走人
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(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
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See, the only time they leave
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佢哋唯一走佬會去嘅地方
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is when they go to a greener pasture called heaven.
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就係天堂
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(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
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So I thought, how about training grandmothers
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所以我諗,不如訓練呢啲婆婆
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in evidence-based talk therapy,
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教佢哋循證談話療法
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which they can deliver on a bench?
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等佢哋可以坐喺公園長櫈度幫人
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Empower them with the skills to listen,
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根據認知行為療法
教佢哋聆聽嘅技巧
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to show empathy,
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教佢哋表達同情心
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all of that rooted in cognitive behavioral therapy;
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08:22
empower them with the skills to provide behavior activation,
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教佢哋技巧來引導病人做正確行為 安排病人嘅活動
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activity scheduling;
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08:28
and support them using digital technology.
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同埋教佢哋學識用數碼科技
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You know, mobile phone technology.
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譬如︰手機
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Pretty much everyone in Africa has a mobile phone today.
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依家, 喺非洲人人都有手機
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So in 2006,
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喺 2006 年
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I started my first group
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我組織到
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of grandmothers.
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第一班婆婆
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(Applause)
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(掌聲)
08:49
Thank you.
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多謝
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(Applause)
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(掌聲)
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Today, there are hundreds of grandmothers
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今日,我哋有幾百個婆婆
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who are working in more than 70 communities.
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分散喺七十幾個社區度做嘢
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And in the last year alone,
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單單係舊年
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more than 30,000 people received treatment
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已經有三萬以上嘅津巴布韋人
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on the Friendship Bench
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喺社區嘅「友誼長櫈」計劃度
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from a grandmother in a community in Zimbabwe.
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接受咗一個婆婆嘅治療
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(Applause)
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(掌聲)
09:21
And recently, we published this work that is done by these grandmothers
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最近,我哋喺 美國醫學研究協會嘅雜誌
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in the Journal of the American Medical Association.
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發表文章講述呢啲計劃同婆婆嘅工作
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And --
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仲有
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(Applause)
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(掌聲)
09:32
And our results show that six months after receiving treatment
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我哋嘅研究結果顯示
接受過婆婆治療嘅病人 喺六個月後
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from a grandmother,
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09:40
people were still symptom-free:
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依然無復發嘅徵像
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no depression,
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無抑鬱
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suicidal ideation completely reduced.
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少咗好多自殺嘅傾向
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In fact, our results -- this was a clinical trial --
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我哋嘅研究顯示 —— 呢個係臨床試驗
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in fact, this clinical trial showed
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臨床試驗結果顯示
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that grandmothers were more effective at treating depression
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婆婆醫抑鬱症仲有效過醫生
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than doctors and --
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09:57
(Laughter)
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(笑聲)
09:58
(Applause)
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10:06
And so,
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所以
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we're now working towards expanding this program.
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我哋依家努力擴展呢個計劃
10:14
There are more than 600 million people currently aged above 65 in the world.
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依家,全球有六億 六十五歲以上嘅人口
10:21
And by the year 2050,
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到 2050 年
10:23
there will be 1.5 billion people aged 65 and above.
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會有十五億 六十五歲以上嘅人口
10:29
Imagine if we could create a global network of grandmothers
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想像一下, 如果我哋能夠 喺全世界所有主要城市
10:35
in every major city in the world,
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建立一個國際婆婆網絡
10:39
who are trained in evidence-based talk therapy,
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而啲婆婆又受過 循證談話療法嘅訓練
10:44
supported through digital platforms,
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有電子平台支援佢哋
10:46
networked.
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又有網絡將佢哋聯繫起來
10:48
And they will make a difference in communities.
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佢哋會為社區做出好多貢獻
10:53
They will reduce the treatment gap
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佢哋會縮窄當地
10:55
for mental, neurological and substance-use disorders.
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心理、神經同濫用藥物問題上嘅 醫療供求差距
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Finally,
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最後
11:01
this is a file photograph of Grandmother Jack.
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呢張係 Jack 婆婆嘅相
11:05
So, Farai had six sessions on the bench with Grandmother Jack.
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法拉喺「友誼長櫈」 同婆婆有六次療程
11:12
Today, Farai is employed.
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依家,法拉揾到工做
11:14
She has her two children at school.
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佢兩個仔女讀緊書
11:18
And as for Grandmother Jack,
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至於 Jack 婆婆
11:20
one morning in February, we expected her to see her 257th client on the bench.
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喺二月嘅一個上晝 佢本來會嚟見佢第 257 位病人
11:28
She didn't show up.
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但係佢無出現
11:31
She had gone to a greener pasture called heaven.
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佢去咗天堂
11:34
But I believe that Grandmother Jack,
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但我相信,Jack 婆婆
11:37
from up there,
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喺天堂同緊其他婆婆打氣
11:39
she's cheering on all the other grandmothers --
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11:42
the increasing number of grandmothers who are making a difference
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而且越來越多婆婆加入呢個計劃
11:46
in the lives of thousands of people.
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改變千萬人嘅人生
我仲諗 Jack 婆婆一定會好驚嘆
11:50
And I'm sure she's in awe
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when she realizes that something that she helped to pioneer
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佢帶頭開始嘅計劃
11:57
is now spreading to other countries,
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已經發展到其他國家
12:00
like Malawi,
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例如馬拉維
12:01
the island of Zanzibar
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桑給巴爾群島
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and coming closer to home here in the Unites States
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同埋呢度
12:06
in the city of New York.
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美國嘅紐約市
12:09
May her soul rest in peace.
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願 Jack 婆婆安息
12:12
Thank you.
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多謝
12:13
(Applause)
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(掌聲)
12:16
(Cheering)
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(歡呼)
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(Applause)
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