We the People, and the Republic we must reclaim | Lawrence Lessig

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Translator: Joseph Geni Reviewer: Morton Bast
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Once upon a time,
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很久很久以前,
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there was a place called Lesterland.
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有个地方叫做‘莱斯特国’(Lesterland)。
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Now Lesterland looks a lot like the United States.
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莱斯特国跟美国很像。
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Like the United States, it has about 311 million people,
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跟美国一样,人口大约有3.11亿,
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and of that 311 million people,
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而这3.11亿人当中,
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it turns out 144,000 are called Lester.
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有14.1万人叫莱斯特(Lester)。
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If Matt's in the audience,
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若麦特(辛普森家庭制作人)在现场,
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I just borrowed that, I'll return it in a second,
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你的卡通人物借我用一下,
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this character from your series.
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马上就还。
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So 144,000 are called Lester,
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那么14.4万人叫莱斯特,
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which means about .05 percent is named Lester.
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代表0.05%的人叫莱斯特。
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Now, Lesters in Lesterland have this extraordinary power.
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这些莱斯特在莱斯特国有非凡的权力。
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There are two elections every election cycle in Lesterland.
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这个国家的每次选举有两种投票。
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One is called the general election.
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一个叫做大选。
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The other is called the Lester election.
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另一个叫做莱斯特选。
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And in the general election, it's the citizens who get to vote,
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在大选,是由公民投票的,
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but in the Lester election, it's the Lesters who get to vote.
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但在莱斯特选,是由莱斯特们投票的。
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And here's the trick.
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这其中的窍门是,
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In order to run in the general election,
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为了参加大选,
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you must do extremely well
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你必须在莱斯特选中
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in the Lester election.
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表现得非常出色。
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You don't necessarily have to win, but you must do extremely well.
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你不必赢,但绝对需要表现地出色。
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Now, what can we say about democracy in Lesterland?
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那么,关于莱斯特国的民主,我们能说什么?
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What we can say, number one,
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我们可以说,第一
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as the Supreme Court said in Citizens United,
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就如同最高法院在联合公民中所说的,
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that people have the ultimate influence over elected officials,
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人民对当选官员有最终的决定权,
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because, after all, there is a general election,
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因为毕竟还有大选,
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but only after the Lesters have had their way
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但这只在莱斯特们依照自己所愿
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with the candidates who wish to run in the general election.
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让他们想要的候选人参加大选之后。
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And number two, obviously, this dependence upon the Lesters
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第二呢,很明显,取决于莱斯特们的选择
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is going to produce a subtle, understated,
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会产生一个微妙,低调
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we could say camouflaged, bending
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甚至是可以说隐蔽的妥协
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to keep the Lesters happy.
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只为让莱斯特们满足。
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Okay, so we have a democracy, no doubt,
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毫无疑问的,我们确实有民主,
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but it's dependent upon the Lesters
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但这民主取决于莱斯特们
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and dependent upon the people.
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同时也取决于人民。
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It has competing dependencies,
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他们有互相竞争关系,
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we could say conflicting dependencies,
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根据莱斯特们是谁,
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depending upon who the Lesters are.
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我们也可以说是相互冲突的关系。
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Okay. That's Lesterland.
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这就是莱斯特国。
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Now there are three things I want you to see now that I've described Lesterland.
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了解了莱斯特国之后,我想让大家知道三件事情。
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Number one, the United States is Lesterland.
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第一,美国就是莱斯特国。
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The United States is Lesterland.
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美国就是莱斯特国。
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The United States also looks like this, also has two elections,
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美国也是如此,也有两次投票,
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one we called the general election,
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一个叫做大选,
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the second we should call the money election.
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另一个我们应该叫做‘钱选’。
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In the general election, it's the citizens who get to vote,
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在大选中,是由公民投票的,
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if you're over 18, in some states if you have an ID.
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只要你年满18岁,在一些州你要有身份证(就可以投票)。
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In the money election, it's the funders who get to vote,
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在钱选,则是由投资人投票的,
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the funders who get to vote, and just like in Lesterland,
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也和莱斯特国一样
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the trick is, to run in the general election,
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窍门在于要参选大选
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you must do extremely well in the money election.
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这些投资人必须在钱选中表现得非常出色
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You don't necessarily have to win. There is Jerry Brown.
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你不必赢,比如杰利·布朗。
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But you must do extremely well.
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但你必须表现得非常出色。
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And here's the key: There are just as few relevant funders
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关键在这-美国的投资人数量
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in USA-land as there are Lesters in Lesterland.
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跟莱斯特国的莱斯特们一样少。
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Now you say, really?
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你可能会说:“是真的?”
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Really .05 percent?
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真的才0.05%?
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Well, here are the numbers from 2010:
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这些是2010年的数据:
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.26 percent of America
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0.26%的美国人
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gave 200 dollars or more to any federal candidate,
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把200美金或以上给了任何一位候选人,
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.05 percent gave the maximum amount to any federal candidate,
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0.05%把最高上限金额给了任何一位候选人,
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.01 percent -- the one percent of the one percent --
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0.01%也就是百分之一的百分之一
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gave 10,000 dollars or more to federal candidates,
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把1万美金或以上给了候选人,
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and in this election cycle, my favorite statistic
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而在这轮选举,我最爱的一个数据
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is .000042 percent
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是0.000042%
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— for those of you doing the numbers, you know that's 132 Americans —
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那些正在计算的人,会知道这是132个美国人-
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gave 60 percent of the Super PAC money spent
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他们提供了超级政治促进会(Super PAC)花在
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in the cycle we have just seen ending.
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刚结束的这场选举的资金中的60%。
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So I'm just a lawyer, I look at this range of numbers,
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我只是个律师,看了这些数字之后,
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and I say it's fair for me to say
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我想我可以很公正地说
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it's .05 percent who are our relevant funders in America.
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在美国,0.05%的人口才是相关投资者。
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In this sense, the funders are our Lesters.
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照这么说,这些投资者就是我们的莱斯特们。
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Now, what can we say about this democracy in USA-land?
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那么,关于美国的民主,我们能说什么?
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Well, as the Supreme Court said in Citizens United,
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就如同最高法院在联合公民中所说的
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we could say, of course the people have the ultimate influence
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我们可以说,人民当然对当选
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over the elected officials. We have a general election,
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有最终的决定权。我们有大选,
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but only after the funders have had their way
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但我们只能从投资人们先选出来的
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with the candidates who wish to run in that general election.
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那些希望参加的候选人中选。
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And number two, obviously,
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第二呢,很明显
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this dependence upon the funders
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这种取决于投资者的选择
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produces a subtle, understated, camouflaged bending
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会产生一个微妙,低调,甚至是可以说隐蔽的妥协
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to keep the funders happy.
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来满足投资人。
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Candidates for Congress and members of Congress
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国会候选人和国会议员
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spend between 30 and 70 percent of their time
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都会花大约30%到70%的时间
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raising money to get back to Congress
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筹备资金好让他们回到国会
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or to get their party back into power,
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或是让他们的党派重新掌权,
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and the question we need to ask is, what does it do to them,
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我们需要问的是,对这些人到底有什么好处
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these humans, as they spend their time
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他们把时间花在
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behind the telephone, calling people they've never met,
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打电话给那些他素不相识的人
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but calling the tiniest slice of the one percent?
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打给那些非常小众的一群人?
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As anyone would, as they do this,
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就像每个人都会做的,
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they develop a sixth sense, a constant awareness
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他们会逐渐产生一种"第六感"
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about how what they do might affect their ability to raise money.
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明白自己所做的将如何影响本身等集资金的能力。
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They become, in the words of "The X-Files,"
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套X档案的说法,他们会变成
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shape-shifters, as they constantly adjust their views
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变形人,因为他们会为了等集更多资金
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in light of what they know will help them to raise money,
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不断调整他们的观点
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not on issues one to 10,
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不是从1到10的问题上去调整
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but on issues 11 to 1,000.
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而是从11到1000。
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Leslie Byrne, a Democrat from Virginia,
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来自维吉尼亚州的民主党成员,莱思丽·柏恩,
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describes that when she went to Congress,
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说她刚到国会的时候,
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she was told by a colleague, "Always lean to the green."
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一位同僚对她说:“千万要向绿色靠拢。”
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Then to clarify, she went on,
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为了澄清一下,她接着说,
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"He was not an environmentalist." (Laughter)
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“他不是个环保主义者。”(笑声)
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So here too we have a democracy,
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那么我们也是有民主的,
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a democracy dependent upon the funders
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一个取决于投资者
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and dependent upon the people,
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和人民的民主
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competing dependencies,
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有着相互竞争的关系
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possibly conflicting dependencies
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取决于投资者是谁
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depending upon who the funders are.
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这很可能是相互冲突的关系。
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Okay, the United States is Lesterland, point number one.
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好,美国就是莱斯特国,这是第一点。
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Here's point number two.
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接下来,第二点
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The United States is worse than Lesterland,
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美国比莱斯特国更糟,
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worse than Lesterland because you can imagine in Lesterland
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比莱斯国更糟因为你可以想象在莱斯特国
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if we Lesters got a letter from the government that said,
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如果莱斯特们收到一封来自政府的信,写着:
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"Hey, you get to pick who gets to run in the general election,"
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“嘿,你们可以挑参加大选的候选人。”
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we would think maybe of a kind of aristocracy of Lesters.
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我们或许会觉得莱斯特们是有特权的阶层。
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You know, there are Lesters from every part of social society.
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你知道,有来自社会各阶级的莱斯特。
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There are rich Lesters, poor Lesters, black Lesters, white Lesters,
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有钱的莱斯特,穷莱斯特,黑人莱斯特,白人莱斯特,
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not many women Lesters, but put that to the side for one second.
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没太多女莱斯特,但先把这撇开不谈。
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We have Lesters from everywhere. We could think,
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我们有来自各地的莱斯特,我们可以想,
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"What could we do to make Lesterland better?"
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“我们能做什么让莱斯特国更好?”
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It's at least possible the Lesters would act for the good of Lesterland.
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至少有个可能莱斯特们是为了莱斯特国的利益着想。
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But in our land, in this land, in USA-land,
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但在我们的国家,这国家,在美国,
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there are certainly some sweet Lesters out there,
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当然也有些可爱的好莱斯特们,
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many of them in this room here today,
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今天在场的很多都是,
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but the vast majority of Lesters act for the Lesters,
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但是大部分的莱斯特是为了莱斯特们的利益着想,
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because the shifting coalitions that are comprising the .05 percent
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因为由这0.05%的人口组成的联盟
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are not comprising it for the public interest.
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并不是为了大众的利益而组成的。
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It's for their private interest. In this sense, the USA is worse than Lesterland.
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是为了他们个人的利益,也就是说,美国比莱斯特更糟。
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And finally, point number three:
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终于来到第三点,
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Whatever one wants to say about Lesterland,
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无论谁想评论莱斯特国,
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against the background of its history, its traditions,
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针对他的历史背景或传统
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in our land, in USA-land, Lesterland is a corruption,
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在我们的国家,在美国,莱斯特国是个腐败贪污的国家,
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a corruption.
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腐败贪污。
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Now, by corruption I don't mean brown paper bag cash
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但是,当我说腐败贪污,不是说国会议员之间
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secreted among members of Congress.
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的秘密现金纸袋交易。
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I don't mean Rod Blagojevich sense of corruption.
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我也不是指罗德布拉戈耶维奇的那类的腐败贪污。
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I don't mean any criminal act.
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我不是指任何犯罪行为。
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The corruption I'm talking about is perfectly legal.
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我所说的腐败贪污是完全合法。
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It's a corruption relative to the framers' baseline for this republic.
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是针对这个共和国制定者的底线的腐败贪污。
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The framers gave us what they called a republic,
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制定者给我们他们所谓的共和国,
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but by a republic they meant a representative democracy,
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但共和国他们真正指的是一个代表性民主,
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and by a representative democracy, they meant a government,
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而他们指的代表性民主,是政府,
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as Madison put it in Federalist 52, that would have a branch
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如同麦迪逊在联邦党人文集第52篇中提到,会有一派
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that would be dependent upon the people alone.
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只取决于人民。
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So here's the model of government.
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这就是政府的模式。
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They have the people and the government
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有人民和政府
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with this exclusive dependency,
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单纯的相互依赖,
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but the problem here is that Congress has evolved a different dependence,
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但问题在于国会改变了这依赖关系,
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no longer a dependence upon the people alone,
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不再是只取决于人民,
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increasingly a dependence upon the funders.
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逐渐转变成对投资者的依赖。
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Now this is a dependence too,
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这也是一种依赖关系,
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but it's different and conflicting from a dependence upon the people alone
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但是跟单纯取决于人民的那种依赖性,不同且相冲突
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so long as the funders are not the people.
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因为投资者并不是那些人民。
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This is a corruption.
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这就是一种贪污腐败。
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Now, there's good news and bad news about this corruption.
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然而,贪污腐败有好坏两面。
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One bit of good news is that it's bipartisan,
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好的一部分是两个政党,
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equal-opportunity corruption.
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同等机会的贪污腐败。
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It blocks the left on a whole range of issues that we on the left really care about.
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这阻挡了左派真正关心的一系列的问题 (气候变化,合理的医疗保健,食品安全,金融改革)
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It blocks the right too, as it makes
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同时也阻挡右派,因为它让
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principled arguments of the right increasingly impossible.
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右派的主要论点越来越不可能。
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So the right wants smaller government.
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右派想要小的政府。
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When Al Gore was Vice President, his team had an idea
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艾尔高尔任职副总统的时候,他的幕僚有个想法
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for deregulating a significant portion of the telecommunications industry.
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对大量的电信公司解除管制。
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The chief policy man took this idea to Capitol Hill,
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政策首长把这个想法带到国会山莊,
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and as he reported back to me,
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他回报给我的时候,
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the response was, "Hell no!
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答复是:“死都不行!
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If we deregulate these guys,
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如果我们对这些人解除管制
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how are we going to raise money from them?"
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我们怎么从他们那里筹集资金?”
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This is a system that's designed to save the status quo,
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这是一个为了维持现状而设计的系统
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including the status quo of big and invasive government.
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包含维持大且有侵略性的政府现状。
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It works against the left and the right,
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他可以压制左右两派,
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and that, you might say, is good news.
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因此你可以说是好的一面。
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But here's the bad news.
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但也有坏的一面。
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It's a pathological, democracy-destroying corruption,
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这是个病态,毁灭民主的贪污腐败,
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because in any system
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因为在任何系统中
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where the members are dependent upon
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会员在竞选中依赖极少部分的人
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the tiniest fraction of us for their election,
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会员在竞选中依赖极少部分的人,
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that means the tiniest number of us,
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代表我们之中的极少数,
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the tiniest, tiniest number of us,
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极少,极少数的我们,
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can block reform.
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可以阻止改革。
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I know that should have been, like, a rock or something.
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我知道我本来应该放颗石头或其他东西。
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I can only find cheese. I'm sorry. So there it is.
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但我只能找到芝士,不好意思将就一下。
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Block reform.
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阻止改革。
09:14
Because there is an economy here, an economy of influence,
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因为存在经济,一个受影响的经济,
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an economy with lobbyists at the center
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一个以说客为中心的经济,
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which feeds on polarization.
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靠对立而活。
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It feeds on dysfunction.
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靠失序而活。
09:25
The worse that it is for us,
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情况对我们来说越糟,
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the better that it is for this fundraising.
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就对募资越有利。
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Henry David Thoreau: "There are a thousand hacking
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亨利·戴维·梭罗说过:“有一千人在砍罪恶的树枝
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at the branches of evil to one who is striking at the root."
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但只有一个人在砍罪恶的根。”
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This is the root.
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这就是‘根’。
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Okay, now, every single one of you knows this.
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那么现在我们每个人都知道这问题。
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You couldn't be here if you didn't know this, yet you ignore it.
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若你不知道你就不可能在这里,但你却视而不见。
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You ignore it. This is an impossible problem.
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你视而不见,因为这是个不可能解决的问题。
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You focus on the possible problems,
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你关注那些可能的解决的问题,
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like eradicating polio from the world,
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如同从地球上根绝小儿麻痹,
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or taking an image of every single street across the globe,
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或是拍摄世界上的每一条街,
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or building the first real universal translator,
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或是建造第一个万能翻译机,
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or building a fusion factory in your garage.
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或是在你的车库建核融合厂。
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These are the manageable problems, so you ignore —
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这些都是可以处理的问题,所以
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(Laughter) (Applause) —
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(笑声)(掌声)
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so you ignore this corruption.
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你对贪污腐败视而不见。
10:21
But we cannot ignore this corruption anymore.
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但我们不能继续对贪污腐败视而不见了。
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(Applause)
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(掌声)
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We need a government that works.
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我们需要一个有在做事的政府。
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And not works for the left or the right,
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不是为左派或右派做事的政府,
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but works for the left and the right,
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而是为左派和右派做事的政府,
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the citizens of the left and right,
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为左派和右派的公民,
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because there is no sensible reform possible
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因为在我们终结贪污腐败前
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until we end this corruption.
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不可能会有合理的改革。
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So I want you to take hold, to grab the issue you care the most about.
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因此我希望你们抓住你们最关心的问题。
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Climate change is mine, but it might be financial reform
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气候变迁是我最关心的,但这也可能是经济改革
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or a simpler tax system or inequality.
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或是一个简单点的税制或不平等问题。
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Grab that issue, sit it down in front of you,
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抓住那个问题,把它放在面前,
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look straight in its eyes, and tell it there is no Christmas this year.
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直视它双眼,跟它说你今年不会过圣诞节。
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There will never be a Christmas.
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永远不会有圣诞节。
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We will never get your issue solved
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在我们解决这个腐败问题前
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until we fix this issue first.
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我们永远不会解决你的问题。
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So it's not that mine is the most important issue. It's not.
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不是说我的问题最重要,因为真的不是。
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Yours is the most important issue, but mine is the first issue,
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你们的问题最重要,但我的是首要问题,
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the issue we have to solve before we get to fix
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是解决我们所关心的问题前
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the issues you care about.
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首先应该解决的问题。
11:22
No sensible reform, and we cannot afford
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没有合理的改革,我们是承担不起
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a world, a future, with no sensible reform.
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一个没有合理改革的世界和未来的。
11:29
Okay. So how do we do it?
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好,那我们怎么做?
11:32
Turns out, the analytics here are easy, simple.
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事实证明,计算起来很简单明了。
11:35
If the problem is members spending an extraordinary
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如果问题是出在国会议员花超多时间
11:38
amount of time fundraising from the tiniest slice of America,
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向极小部分的美国人募资
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the solution is to have them spend less time fundraising
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解决办法就是让他们花少点时间募资
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but fundraise from a wider slice of Americans,
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但让他们向更多的美国人募资,
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to spread it out,
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把范围扩大,
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to spread the funder influence so that we restore the idea
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让投资者的影响力扩展,好让我们恢复
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of dependence upon the people alone.
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那种仅依靠人民的依赖关系。
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And to do this does not require a constitutional amendment,
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这不需要修宪
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changing the First Amendment.
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或修改宪法第一修正案。
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To do this would require a single statute,
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我们只需要一个单一法令,
12:04
a statute establishing what we think of
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一项奠定我们对于
12:06
as small dollar funded elections,
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小金额资助选举想法的法令,
12:09
a statute of citizen-funded campaigns,
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一项公民资助竞选的法令,
12:11
and there's any number of these proposals out there:
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外界已经有很多的提议:
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Fair Elections Now Act,
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立即公平竞选法案、
12:14
the American Anti-Corruption Act,
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美国反贪污法案、
12:17
an idea in my book that I call the Grant and Franklin Project
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我书里面的"格兰特和富兰克林计划"
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to give vouchers to people to fund elections,
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提倡给人民票券让他们资助竞选,
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an idea of John Sarbanes called the Grassroots Democracy Act.
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还有约翰·萨博尼的基层民主法案。
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Each of these would fix this corruption
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以上每一个都可以解决贪污
12:30
by spreading out the influence of funders to all of us.
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让投资者的影响力扩展到我们每个人身上。
12:34
The analytics are easy here.
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解决方案是简单明了的。
12:37
It's the politics that's hard, indeed impossibly hard,
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难在政治,确实极其困难,
12:42
because this reform would shrink K Street,
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因为这样的改革会削减华盛顿K街,
12:48
and Capitol Hill, as Congressman Jim Cooper,
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国会山莊,如同国会议员吉米·库柏,
12:53
a Democrat from Tennessee, put it,
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一名田纳西州的民主党党员说的,
12:56
has become a farm league for K Street, a farm league for K Street.
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它成为华盛顿K街的一个联盟。
13:01
Members and staffers and bureaucrats have
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会员、工作人员和官僚脑海里想着一个
13:03
an increasingly common business model in their head,
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逐渐相同的商业模式,
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a business model focused on their life after government,
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这商业模式专注在他们执政后的生活
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their life as lobbyists.
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也就是说客生活。
13:11
Fifty percent of the Senate between 1998 and 2004
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1998年到2004年之间,参议院有50%的人
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left to become lobbyists, 42 percent of the House.
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,白宫有42%的人,出走当说客。
13:17
Those numbers have only gone up,
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这些数字只增不减,
13:18
and as United Republic calculated last April,
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去年4月联合共和国(United Republic)计算,
13:21
the average increase in salary for those who they tracked
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他们有在追踪的人,薪水平均增幅为
13:24
was 1,452 percent.
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1,452%。
13:29
So it's fair to ask, how is it possible for them to change this?
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我们可以问,他们怎么可能改变这情况?
13:36
Now I get this skepticism.
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我可以理解这种怀疑。
13:40
I get this cynicism. I get this sense of impossibility.
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我明白这种无奈,这种不可能性。
13:45
But I don't buy it.
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但我不同意。
13:47
This is a solvable issue.
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这是个可以解决的问题。
13:51
If you think about the issues our parents tried to solve
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若你想想我们父母在20世纪
13:54
in the 20th century,
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试着解决的问题,
13:56
issues like racism, or sexism,
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像是种族歧视或两性不平等,
13:59
or the issue that we've been fighting in this century, homophobia,
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或是我们在这世纪奋战的问题: 同性恋恐惧症,
14:02
those are hard issues.
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那些都是很困难的问题。
14:05
You don't wake up one day no longer a racist.
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你不会睡一觉起来就不再是种族主义者。
14:08
It takes generations to tear that intuition, that DNA,
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这得花上好几个世代才能从一个人的灵魂
14:12
out of the soul of a people.
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中破除那种观念,那种基因。
14:14
But this is a problem of just incentives, just incentives.
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但这只是个动机问题,只有动机。
14:18
Change the incentives, and the behavior changes,
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动机改变了,行为就跟着改变,
14:20
and the states that have adopted small dollar funded systems
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那些采用小金额资助制度的几个州
14:23
have seen overnight a change in the practice.
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已经很快地看到实际的效果。
14:26
When Connecticut adopted this system,
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当康乃狄克州(Connecticut)采用这制度之后,
14:28
in the very first year, 78 percent of elected representatives
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在第一年,78%的当选代表
14:32
gave up large contributions and took small contributions only.
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放弃了大额助选金而选择只收取小额助选金。
14:36
It's solvable,
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这是是解决得了的,
14:38
not by being a Democrat,
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不是通过作为一个民主党党员,
14:41
not by being a Republican.
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不是通过作为一个共和党党员。
14:43
It's solvable by being citizens, by being citizens,
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而是通过作为公民解决的,
14:47
by being TEDizens.
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通过作为TED成员解决的。
14:50
Because if you want to kickstart reform,
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因为若你想要发起一项改革,
14:54
look, I could kickstart reform
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我可以发起一项改革,
14:57
at half the price of fixing energy policy,
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只用到解决能源政策所需的一半金额,
15:01
I could give you back a republic.
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我可以还给你一个共和国。
15:04
Okay. But even if you're not yet with me,
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好,若你还不同意我的想法,
15:07
even if you believe this is impossible,
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甚至觉得这是不可能的,
15:11
what the five years since I spoke at TED has taught me
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过去五年我在TED的演讲经验告诉我,
15:14
as I've spoken about this issue again and again is,
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我一而再再而三的讨论这个议题,
15:17
even if you think it's impossible, that is irrelevant.
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就算你觉得这是不可能,没关系。
15:21
Irrelevant.
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没关系。
15:23
I spoke at Dartmouth once, and a woman stood up after I spoke,
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我曾在达特茅斯演讲一次,我讲完之后有一位女士站起来,
15:26
I write in my book, and she said to me,
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我有写在我书里,她告诉我,
15:28
"Professor, you've convinced me this is hopeless. Hopeless.
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"教授,你说服我这没希望了,没希望了。
15:34
There's nothing we can do."
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我们束手无策了。”
15:37
When she said that, I scrambled.
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当她这么说,我慌了。
15:39
I tried to think, "How do I respond to that hopelessness?
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我试着想:“我该怎样回应这种绝望?”
15:41
What is that sense of hopelessness?"
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“这种绝望是什么感觉?"
15:43
And what hit me was an image of my six-year-old son.
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让我顿悟的是我六岁的儿子。
15:47
And I imagined a doctor coming to me and saying,
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我想像一位医生向我走来并告诉我:
15:51
"Your son has terminal brain cancer, and there's nothing you can do.
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“你儿子有晚期脑癌,没有办法了。
15:58
Nothing you can do."
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你束手无策了。”
16:00
So would I do nothing?
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我真的什么都不做吗?
16:03
Would I just sit there? Accept it? Okay, nothing I can do?
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我就坐在这?坦然接受?我什么都不能做吗?
16:06
I'm going off to build Google Glass.
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那我就去做研发谷歌眼镜好了。
16:09
Of course not. I would do everything I could,
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当然不是。 我会尽力而为,
16:13
and I would do everything I could because this is what love means,
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我会尽力而为因为这就是爱,
16:17
that the odds are irrelevant and that you do
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这无关输赢,你就做所有你能够做的
16:19
whatever the hell you can, the odds be damned.
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管他输还是赢。
16:23
And then I saw the obvious link, because even we liberals
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然后我就看到其中的显然连系,因为即便是我们这些自由派人士
16:26
love this country.
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都爱这个国家。
16:29
(Laughter)
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(笑声)
16:32
And so when the pundits and the politicians
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所以当权威人士或政客
16:34
say that change is impossible,
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说这改变是不可能的,
16:36
what this love of country says back is,
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爱国情操会这么回答:
16:39
"That's just irrelevant."
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“这不重要。”
16:42
We lose something dear,
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若我们失去共和,
16:44
something everyone in this room loves and cherishes,
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失去在场所有人共同珍惜的东西,
16:47
if we lose this republic, and so we act
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我们就要采取行动
16:51
with everything we can to prove these pundits wrong.
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尽其所能地去证明这些权威人士是错的。
16:56
So here's my question:
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那么这是我的问题:
16:59
Do you have that love?
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你有这份爱吗?
17:04
Do you have that love?
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你有这份爱吗?
17:06
Because if you do,
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因为如果你有,
17:08
then what the hell are you, what are the hell are we doing?
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那我们到底在做什么?
17:13
When Ben Franklin was carried from the constitutional convention
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1787年9月,当本·富兰克林(Ben Franklin)从制宪会议离开
17:18
in September of 1787, he was stopped in the street by a woman who said,
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他在街上被一位女性拦下来问说,
17:22
"Mr. Franklin, what have you wrought?"
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"富兰克林先生,你造就了什么?"
17:25
Franklin said, "A republic, madam, if you can keep it."
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富兰克林回答:"一个共和,若你们能继续保持它。”
17:33
A republic. A representative democracy.
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一个共和,一个代表性的民主。
17:38
A government dependent upon the people alone.
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一个’单独‘取决于人民的政府。
17:45
We have lost that republic.
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我们已经失去了这个共和。
17:50
All of us have to act to get it back.
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我们所有人必须要行动起来,把它找回来。
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Thank you very much.
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非常感谢你们。
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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. (Applause)
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谢谢 (掌声)
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